# 101: Joseph Zamd

0:01 Welcome to another episode of come Together and we're live dude. Welcome brother. Let's have a this. So the only thing that I like to clarify, especially with my with my Jewish buddies and guests, is that if we're gonna, the show is not specifically for Jews. So if we're gonna explain, I'm happy to talk about Jewish concepts, but to explain them in a way that anyone listening could understand, of course. But dude, welcome, man. Tell me a little about yourself. Introduce yourself.

0:41 Who are you? My name is Joseph Zand. I was born in Venezuela. I came to the United States when I was about nine years old, nice to Fort Lauderdale, western Florida. And that's pretty much where I grew up all the way up until high school. And that's when I started getting interested in the military life because in high school I was in ROTC and I was, you know, always into like the military movies, you know, Rambo and all that cool stuff. So that got my drive to go into the military. And from there, from ROTCI was a really good swimmer. So in the Navy, they recruit really good swimmers, high athletes for them to go to boot camp, to go to different special operations programs, right?

1:27 And I was one of them that happened to go into the rescue swimmer program out of high. School for the Navy. For the Navy, yeah, Sweet. Yes. So that's that happened in 2009 when I graduated. So I'm going to start from there. Pretty much my timeline. Wait, so before you do real quickly, can you, do you remember a lot about Venezuela or do you go back often? I can talk a little bit about it. I don't remember that much just because I didn't go back only once when I was 13. OK, so very vague little memories of certain moments, gotcha. But. It wasn't like. But it's not something that I can, you know, vividly tell you. This sure, sure, sure. Yeah, of. Course. But I did go back. Everything looked very different. I was a lot older and that's when the conditions in Venezuela were not looking good at all and I kind of just went to my cousin's house.

2:15 Long story short, I never went back after that. Really. You were done with that. I'm Venezuelan. I love Venezuela, but I'm, I consider myself an American. I'm a proud American. Good for you. I am very patriotic. Yeah. That's why I love the Navy. I love the military and I love what the military does for human beings, you know, for, for the mind. You can obviously, you know, there's, there's the good and the bad. And a lot of people can talk bad about the military, but I like to look at it the, the aspect of the mindset of what that does to a human being. Yeah. And I believe every male should serve in the military. You think so? Absolutely awesome. Absolutely. Just because there's a lot of characteristics and different things that need to be built that if you don't have either a very straight household or a good role model as a father or somebody like that, then you will not be able to, you know, get those discipline mindset and, you know, do do the things even if you don't feel like doing it.

3:14 Those things that are useful in life that nobody really tells you until you got to figure it out, you know. Yeah. So that's why I think the military is key for all, for all males specifically, just to toughen everybody up. So I knew that from the beginning and I decided to join the military. It wasn't easy. Were you scared to do it? I wasn't. My parents were. You weren't because you were in high school and Rift and you're like, I'm not, I'm not afraid of anything. There, and I wasn't a big guy, I was actually one of the smaller guys, which actually motivated me to be the big guy. Were you always a dog? I was always a swimmer, though. I was always a swimmer. Yes, I was always a swimmer. Cool. So that helped me, you know, in getting my foot in the door. And I got really into bodybuilding in the military, you know, getting jacked and everything that that's when I was 17.

4:04 But let me go back to when I was signing up. My parents were not happy when we were talking about I was scared. High school. High school, you were in Weston, Fort Lauderdale area. Yes, in Cypress Bay High School. OK, Cypress Bay High School. Is that where Guy was? Yes, Guy Levy was there. We actually so actually we the same age we. What's that? Are you the same age? Yes, we should be. Maybe he's a little bit older just because I think I was the younger in the in our class, we were class of 09. I actually graduated in 08 and I went early into the military, which is the part of the story I was telling. You, Yes. Let's go Yes. So my parents were the ones that were scared. I wasn't. I was very No Fear. I want to do this, this, I looked like this is the I want to do what those guys are doing, you know, in the movies and everything.

4:46 So I knew what I wanted to do. My parents didn't. So I had to convince my parents that this was the right idea. I had 17 years old. My grandfather, may he rest in peace. He was very, very military style, very military mindset. And was he a veteran? He was not a veteran. He always wanted to be, but he loved all everything that had to do with military. Sure. Gotcha. So he was the one that talked to my mom and convinced her to be like, listen, this is actually good for him and he should do this. So Long story short, I signed up, got shipped out when I was 17. I graduated in O 8. So I was supposed to graduate in O 9. So why everybody was going to prom and going to grad bash or whatever they call it?

5:27 Sure. I was in boot camp in Chicago, IL Great Lakes misses, you know Great Lakes freezing cold weather. Yeah. What time of year was this? This was in March I think. I shipped out March 5th, which March 5th in Chicago is still cold and it's the Windy City, and up in Great Lakes it was even colder and I'm coming from Florida. Yeah, dude, I'm 160 lbs wet. I'm a small kid, you know what I mean? Like 17 years old. Everybody in the military is at least 25262830 years old. Everybody's older than me. And there was only me and another guy that was 17, another guy was 20 and everybody else was over 21. So I wasn't even legal to even drink. Did they, Did people respect you for joining or? Yes, of course, because they were like they didn't. Look, you like you're a kid, No.

6:18 No, they were like, this kid's 17, he's here. He could be partying in, you know, with his friends in high school, you know? Yeah, he joined a different path. So I did get a lot of respect in that aspect. In other aspects, it was kind of, you know, I had to grow up really fast because I have to be around, you know, 30 year olds pretty much for the most part. So my 17 year old mind had to, you know, mature quickly and kind of just adapt to my environment, which I've always been very good at adapting to my environment. And I think I've, I've been that before the military and after the military. Now I'm even better with adapting to my environment. So I I try to make sure that I put myself in the right environments so I adapt properly. Sure, because that's going to go to the next part of the story. Yeah.

7:01 Where when I got out of the Navy, I did five years. Some yeah, military so let's. I want to I want to dive I want to dive into the military in particular those five years You got your cigar and take your time. One of the things that I was thinking a lot about recently is is really just like we're going to live in a world very soon. Our kids are going to live in a world very soon where we're going to get things very quickly very easily with very little effort and I think that discipline is going to be one of the few commodities that's going to be really, really worthwhile. You know, and something that's really, really. Yeah. And, you know, and so like, it's more important for me to teach my kids to be disciplined than it is to teach one particular topic that they can pick up and learn anyway. Absolutely.

7:49 You know, and I know that myself, I always thought I was bad at, you know, science and math and stuff like that. I always thought I was, I was not good at school. And it just turns out that I just like to learn differently. And now that I figured out how I learned, I love learning. I'm never I never stopped, dude. So if I could, if I could teach my SO, I don't have to teach my kids the particulars. I have to teach them the driving factors exactly the. The of what's going to be needed, right? The groundwork? Exactly. Gotcha. So, so, so you're 17, you're in the military until for five years, until you're 22. Almost 22 because I was. I got in when I was just just turned 17. And how often are you going home? What's your life like?

8:30 Are you? Are you happy to be away? My life like was I was living on base. I've never got shipped overseas. My my status in the Navy. I was kind of lucky. Let's say I was attached to a helicopter squadron that was doing search and rescue, HSN 40 or whatever. That's, that's what it's called, Helicopter Anti Maritime Squadron. And they just did stuff around the, the Bay pretty much offshore, pretty much a training command. And I didn't have to go on deployment. I didn't have to do anything. So I pretty much got lucky. So people say, oh, you're not a real sailor because I wasn't on an aircraft carrier. I wasn't on a frigate or a destroyer, you know? What do you say to that?

9:14 That's different. There's different. Everybody in the military does different things in every position in the military, job is essential. So even the Yeoman, which is a secretary, he's still essential in the operation. So not only is it the Navy SEAL, but it goes all the way to the to the paper, the paper pusher, let's call it. Yeah. So everybody's essential. And I think that going back to the discipline thing, every job also required X amount of discipline in the military, and they expect you to have a certain level of standard. Right. No matter whether you're going to be deployed or not, it doesn't make a difference. This is how you're going to live in this, how you're going to this, who you're going to be while you're while you're with us.

9:54 Yes. So I was living on base. I didn't really like it. So I'm where was. Base where were you? Base was Mayport, Florida. OK, so you're back so. I was in Pensacola, FL for aircrew school. OK, that was that was tough, but. I enjoyed it, tough about it. Just the the adapting to it was 2 a day workouts right off the bat, but it was just not 2A day workouts because in boot camp we were doing it, but these two A day workouts were like 2-3 hour workouts like we were getting B. Cardio. Push ups, pull ups, just over and just wear and tear, running in the sand, just complete just getting beat, beat up.

10:36 Wow, You know, wow. But the point of that they do that is pretty much to wean out the weak. Yeah, obviously. And to make sure that if you that you really want to be there, a lot of people quit and that you don't you don't have a mindset to quit. Because if you have a mindset to quit when things, which is the fan, yeah, that person that quit is going to quit 'cause he's going to get scared and running. High and he's going to cause other people to get hurt or. Die exactly so. I did. A lot of people quit that when you were. For sure, for really for sure. Was it shaming it or was it just like at? All there was no shame, shaming, quitting. A lot of people quit, but mainly it's in the beginning. You're real pro with. This. And that's Cuban. Yeah, right.

11:18 Yeah. Cigars has to be burning fully, you know. Full circle, of course. Yeah, I had a friend, I had AI had a buddy tell me that apparently the best way to light it is either with that lighter, the torch that you're using, not the lighter that I use. Yeah, no, you got to use this and it has to look at. Or a piece of like or a piece of wood, like a thin piece of wood, you'll have that or a match or whatever. Yeah, a lot of that cigars that buy are wrapped in little ones of those, so you could just take it and. Lighter, and this is a What kind of cigars is this? Honestly, I don't remember. There's a great cigar shop on Jonathan. Is packed tight. La Roma de Cuba. I love Cohiba, this is my that's my jam. Good. Well, enjoy, man. Thank you. So, yeah, so you're on base and you're in Florida.

11:58 You're near Pensacola by the Panhandle. That was aircrew school. Then we go to, then I get stationed in this helicopter squadron. I got to Fast forward because the story is very long. Then I'm in Mayport, Florida. When I get to Mayport, FL, that's when I'm in that command that it's, I'm not getting shipped anywhere. So my my military career got kind of stagnant, which that's what when that happens, it tends to die, let's say the. Military career. Yeah, because you're not getting the action, the constant deployment, which is, is the hard work, but it's also the the excitement. Yeah, it sucks. Hopefully excitement, it's what you're there for. So I kind of felt like I was like, kind of like, you know, I'm always on shore duty and. There's early 2010, there's like 2. 1010, 2011 around right around there.

12:45 Gotcha. OK. Got it. During the obstration, yes, a lot of Middle East, a lot of Middle East action happening. There was a lot. There was Afghanistan was full of people going right now. It was yeah, 2009. It was full of people in Afghanistan, right. So luckily I didn't get shipped out. I was on shore duty. I finished off my time there. I didn't realist. I didn't get the excitement that, that, you know, the best part of it, of the deployment. And I, I don't know, I was young at the time and I kind of just, I was like, all right, let me just go back to my life and just live my life like because I when I'm 17 and I didn't, you know, I'm not already like. You have a chance to be a kid. Exactly. You want to be a kid, then I'm like, I skipped a step, but now it's like, all right, let me finish my time off. So I finish my time off, and then I come back down here to South Florida, which is where my parents live, which is where I was raised.

13:35 Yeah, sure. And then when I come back, that's when obviously, I come back to Miami. Now I'm over 21. Yeah. I have some money because I have some money from the military, you know. So I started party. OK. And they? A little too much. Started partying a little too much, you know, space nightclub or going to different, you know, in Miami, the whole Miami life. I did that for a. Little bit. And I got tired of it. I did it, you know, for a while. I did it for a good time. You did it for a couple. Years. A couple years, yeah. Fast forward and I didn't really get more than worth the partying and I kind of got sick and tired of it, you know, I got into training, I got into personal training. I was working at 24 hours was.

14:20 There anything else that you're interested in along the way that you thought you could pursue in your life or you always into? So, but I did that later. I didn't do when I got in the military, I didn't. So I eventually went to a flight school to be a pilot. Get out of here. Yeah, but I didn't continue to be a airline pilot. Yes, that's right. I just got, I went all the way to private pilot. Yeah. And I didn't continue and then? Expensive as hell. It is very expensive. The military only covers a percentage, and I have to pay the flight hours, the gasoline, everything. Yeah, that's right. About $300.00 an hour. Yeah. And you need a minimum of 30-40 hours to, you know, on the books. Yeah. So do the math. Yeah. So I was paying that out of pocket. I'm fight. Fast forward a part of the story, because this was later. This wasn't right after the military. Builder, I'm just hearing about your excitement. Yeah, yeah, sure.

15:05 Your passions. Yeah, yeah. So. Was it like flying a plane? Scary. Is it? Yeah, because you're on one of these little rinky planes that. Yes, that's why it's scary because if I was in a nice, you know, G6 or something that's pretty much the flies by itself. Yeah, it would not be scary. Why was it scary? Because it's one of those ringy dinky planes, engine prop. I was flying a Piper Cherokee Archer, which is a a low wing aircraft doesn't have it on top of the wing, which is like a Cessna 130, which is it's, let's say it's a little bit easier to fly, but they're pretty much both learner planes. I tell you why I was scary. It was it was scary because on my first solo, it was in Perry Airport.

15:49 North Perry Airport is right here on University and Pines. OK. Yeah, sure. You're right, and that's where usually all these little planes fly. At I noticed them there. Yeah, sure. You. Know. Because you get those. Banner planes, yes, they fly out of there, right. So that's people usually pick to either be a Banner Pilot to get more hours or whatever. Do they get paid to do that? They do. They do very little. Right. Just to make I'm sure it's just expenses. It covers the expenses of getting the flight out there. They're not having to pay out of pocket, correct and. Then they get the experience, they're happy to plan, a lot of fun, and then they get paid and they don't have to go out of pocket for it. That's a cool gig. That's a lot of fun. Do you ever do that? So I didn't do that. I just went all the way to the private pilot.

16:30 I didn't continue. I ran out of money to keep funding the flying in this, of course. And I was still, you know, kind of like I didn't I didn't, I didn't know if I wanted to do that as like my as my career, as my hobby, as my real, you know, passion or whatever. Yeah. So I stopped doing that. I was partying and doing the Miami thing for a while off the Derek wasn't religious, wasn't you know, this was your family. Religious or no? So my family's always been observant, OK? We weren't always. We weren't Frome, but we were just, you know, we always did the holidays always, you know, celebrate Shabbat. Yeah. But we know we, we weren't fully shomer shops. OK, I gotcha. Like how I am today. I could say that. Sure. You know. Yeah. But we still, we know we were Jews. We were the best we can, you know, whatever. Sure.

17:14 Sure. And then later, you know, after I get off the path and then I pretty much do a bunch of stuff off the table, you know, partying. When you're doing this stuff, are you doing it because you're just having fun and you don't care? Kind of good question because that brings when I got out of the military, I didn't know, but I kept searching for something. I was missing the military and I couldn't. Missing the structure. I was missing the structure. Yeah. So this is important that you brought that, that topic back because that goes back to how we started the whole discipline thing. Sure. So I was missing the structure of the military. Why? Because you took me out of the environment where we were just talking about too. So you Take Me Out of that environment. Eventually, over time, the brain you get, you soften up. Yeah.

17:56 So all those disciplines, you start keeping less and less just like you keep so much Shabbat. Eventually you start keeping less and less when people become too, too religious. Yeah. All of a sudden they're. Corruptional. Yeah, you see them become super religious and all of a sudden then they're in a year and a half later because they did too much. You know what I mean? So I was out of the environment in the the lack of structure. I really affect me. So that's why I kind of like went to the partying and all this to the point that I was disciplined in my partying. Yeah, which they say sometimes like the worst, like, you know, the person that's like with bad habits or addicts is the disciplined person because he's disciplined in his bad habit and he's disciplined in his in his addiction.

18:37 Let's say I could hear. I could hear. That I could relate to that a little. Bit so it's so discipline can work for you or it can work against you. So my discipline that I had with instilled within me since I wasn't. You't getting something less healthy. Pause it. I would just redirect something less healthy, which was the party. So every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I was at space nightclub, nocturnal, all these clubs I can name off the top of my head. Wow. But you know, just doing the Miami the. Raves, all that fun stuff. I'm sure you weren't thinking about that while you were doing it. While you're doing it, you're like, let's just have a good. Time. Oh yeah, Now I'm telling you now in third person. Yeah, 4th. Yeah, now I'm. I'm like, Joseph, you did that. That's crazy, you know what I mean? But at least I lived it. I got it out of my sister. Sure, sure, sure. You know. I think it's a good thing to do, by the way.

19:18 It is. It is. I really do. And I don't even think, I think like, and you know, like there's even like that Jewish concept or the Torah concepts of like, if it helps you like the idea of like, almost like we called teshuva, which is like returning. Which is what I'm doing now pretty much. Right, which we all should be hopefully be doing right all the time because we're always deviating from, you know, almost like what our authentic self and our true, you know, spiritual self really desires. We're always deviating. So we always have to return. That's why, you know, it's it's based on that, but a lot of times we say that even the even the the mistakes or you know, quote UN quote mistakes or sins or whatever that you did, if it was all part of leading you back to where you become, those turn into positive things. Exactly.

20:04 And it's because you would never be able to get to where you are now without. Whiten had gone. I hadn't hadn't walked without that. All those experiences, all those parting nights because. Sometimes I'm like Hashem, why, like why did I, why did it have to go through? So that's why shit, you know, and then sometimes you're like, well, this person looked like they went so easy. This person that because, you know, we know we don't see from the outside. We don't see what really is going on. Everybody's has their own stories going in through their own tribulation. That's why that's how our mind likes the things, you know? That's just how we're programmed you. Know because you compare. We're comparative. We're very comparative, very comparative, right, Right. So I get out of the environment, back to the story. Was there a tangible point in time where you said there's enough, I'm not doing this anymore? Yes, because I did it so, so much every week and four days a week.

20:48 So sometimes so intense, like I'm the most intense person when it comes to the things like when I like and when I start to do something, I go in all the way. I'm zero to 100. Yeah, so party, party. I did it so much to the point that I would be at parties, pool parties, everything, whatever, VIP and I look around and I'm like, I'm not even having fun anymore. That's what you say to yourself. You notice. That and and like and I could be OK, I would need more drugs, more alcohol, but still it wouldn't do it. Right. So I'm like the drugs aren't doing it, the alcohol is not doing it. And when I start to look around, are the people around me the best people that they want the best for me, or are they around me because of what I can provide, you know, of, of whatever, you know, in that moment, you know, so that's when things started to click.

21:41 And that's what I think also, I say to myself, like I had late frontal low development because I feel like a lot of things, it's like even though I was very mature since I was 17, I did all this stuff, there was a lot of parts about the big picture of life that still hadn't. You know, lined up with you. Lined up and folded. I had a lot of stuff and a lot of stuff about things, but I still didn't didn't have the big picture that I still see now. And of course in 5-10 years I'm going to have a bigger picture than the Joseph that is today. Of course, keep building on it and we keep saying, oh wow, if I would have done this and this and that. Just like I'm telling you that the reason why I did all that part is because the lack of structure from going from so much structure to no structure. I just completely went all over the place and I realized that I'm the type of person that needs to have structure. And that's why I also like like I came back to Judaism, I came back to structured.

22:35 How did that happen? Through all of these times that I've, you know that I've explained different moments, just different things that happened. Is there anyone that you you reached out to? Was there a particular rabbi or particular person, literally? He was literally himself, literally spoke to me literally. And I started going to Habad of Weston about 2020. Yeah, COVID with my dad. My dad always, always goes every morning saw her really. He's a, he's always part of the the mignon, very important member of the of the community over there. Very nice. And I started going with him and I started liking it. I made a no. I made a friend. I made another friend. So you didn't have anyone like pushing you or telling you to go ahead and do this, you know?

23:18 There's nothing, nothing that is so unique, yes, nothing, not even my parent unique. My parents actually look at me and they're and they they see me completely different. Like now I'm even more from than them. You know what I mean? So, and and you know, it's just like I went from 1 Joseph to another Joseph, but I did all. Do you believe in God the whole time? Absolutely no 100 it. Was just a question as to how, how, how, how, what you were gonna do, how much you were going to devote yourself to particular things. I just, I was the type that it's like I know I believe in God and God's always with me and I and I was super confident in my faith and I didn't, I didn't have the knowledge that I have now about what prayer means and all the structure.

23:59 You know what I mean? To you? What does prayer mean to you? It's the it's the moment that I connect with a sham that I can actually feel like the whole world stops. And in that moment, nothing matters and it aligns my thoughts. It aligns just my just we call my shockers. You get everything, everything is In Sync and and I'm just like in a, in a transcendent state and that everything I can just my intuition is better. My decision making is better. Everything which goes to, you know, praying first thing in the morning, it lines up your brain. You're priming your brain for the rest of the day. Thousand first thing in the morning. Never thought about that timing your brain that's like. That's right.

24:41 That's right. You're priming. Working out. When you work out first thing in the morning, what are you priming? You're priming your discipline. By the way, it's true as I love. Jogging at 5:00 in the morning. Jacking. Day with the dog. 5:00 AM Club people that work out at 4:30, they could easily work out at 8:00 AM. Some people don't have to do the rest of the day, you know what I mean, But they why do they get up at 4:30? Why do the people make fun? Oh, why is Ashton Hall waking about 3:30 in the morning for we're going discipline? It's it's because what what that's doing? It's not what what the action of the we're going to the gym and no, it's what it's doing to your brain subconsciously that you're a type of person that can control their emotions. Beautiful that can do. Do whatever you tell your body to do. Your body is not telling you.

25:26 What to? That's why I love running, by the way. I love running. I love running. It's because I'm constantly telling that voice in my head, shut up. You're not done, you're not done. Keep going, keep going. You know, you got this, you got this, you've done this before, you'll do it again. You know, this is hard. This is hot, this sucks, this is fun. You're going to you're going to keep on doing this and and like, there's two voices. There really are two voices and you have to. I feel at least my my own experience is that the more you can give the different voices different amount of value. Let's bring a little bit of Tanya into this. Let's do it. Tanya is a Can you want to explain what Tanya is? So Tanya is is pretty much the Habad Bible, let's call it without, you know, of course.

26:14 So it was written by the altar Rebbe, of course. OK, who is the 1st? The Baba. Who is the 1st? The Baba Traba, Yes. And the Baba. Tanya explains that you have your godly soul and your animalistic soul, your godly soul's on your right, your animalistic soul's on your left. And we have to try to do everything possible so that our godly soul overflows into the left ventricle of our heart so we could kind of control our animalistic soul. We're not trying to remove it because we still need it because it's still a part of us, because if we didn't need it, Hashem wouldn't have given us both of these. You know, we say our bodies still need it. That's what for you. So we can have our free will, so we can have everything that we need to.

26:56 We can be human beings when we were created to function. So timing is very important to this because it goes back to the two voices in your head. And you can look at you can, you can use that example. The good voice is the godly voice and the bad voice is the animalistic voice. So logic is up here in the mind, right? And if you follow your heart, you're following your emotions. One of the. Foundations of of Judaism is Shema when you say don't chase after your heart and don't chase after your eyes you know those are those are emotional those are instinctual and reflexive be thoughtful be. A human being. A human being, not a man, not a Bahama. That's right.

27:39 Wow, wow. So if that's the case, do you, I, I think I've been thinking a lot about this in the last bunch of months, maybe last year or so, but do you think that the techno technological development that we're you know. Like AI? AI and stuff. But which I've been using ChatGPT, I love it. And you tell it, hey, do this and this and this and do that and then and then you say, no, I didn't like that. Erase this and do this and it'll change everything for you later to your personal assistant. Oh yeah, it's incredible. But it is scary because, for example, I'm scrolling through videos, I see 100 foot Anaconda on the Amazonian River and they're this guy's flying out of a helicopter.

28:21 I send it to my cousin and it's like, oh, the for the sighting of the biggest Anaconda in the world. And the video looks it was real, it was AI, it was fake, obviously. Yeah. I mean when Anaconda the size of like 100 foot like there's. Big Anaconda we're getting, we're getting to really weird. Points. But it looks so real. That's the scary part. So imagine if more and more footage comes out different things. What are you going to tell your kid? Oh, is this is not what are they believing what they're seeing, you know, so now, obviously not even now with the access that a child has to the Internet is. Forget about that 10 years from now. Think. About how much? Because how fast we're moving, we're not going. To even know what reality is in 10 years. Because AI.

29:02 Is so. Already within us and it's already doing so much stuff automatically, like losing jobs of a lot of people, that eventually a lot of people we're going to have to pivot, are going to have to pivot of what they do. Their careers. A lot of careers will be obsolete. Yeah, completely obsolete. And what are we left with? And you're going to be and you're going to be left with certain things that I guarantee you people might not listen and like like hearing this, but it's going to turn into kind of like the government, you know, creating these, you know, socialist type of jobs for people to kind of just, you know, have. And then you'll have the really rich and then you'll have the really poor. And then the middle class will be kind of gone because you either. You think so? Yes, because the way it's moving, it's either right now like either you're like doing all this stuff, you know, you're with social media, your YouTube, you're doing all this making money with, you know, with affiliate marketing and this big boom with the Amazon drop shipping you.

29:55 Know what I think the difference is going to be? I don't think it's going to be a question of wealth or not. I think that we're going to become so wealthy that everyone's going to be taken care of. You think everybody's going to be rich? Here's what I think. I think everyone. I think everything accounted for. Yeah, I hope so. Listen, I hope every, for example, I hope that we'll accumulate enough wealth and resources and commodities that people will at least have house and food provided for and probably medicine probably, right? Because those are all AI. It's essentially essentially, you know, we can find a way to pretty much make that, you know, free for everyone, right? The question I think that's going to separate the quote UN quote upper class from the quote UN quote lower class is going to be how autonomous of a human being are you going to be?

30:44 Are you the type of being human being that's going to live a life where you choose what you're going to do and take action and choose to go through challenges and struggle? Talking about exactly. Or are you going to be the human being that is very comfortable and OK with sitting on their couch watching Netflix, taking checks and watching the consuming? You're going to be either a creator or a consumer. You're going to be either autonomous or you're going to be a couch potato. And I think that's what's going to separate in the future. I don't think so. I don't think it's it's going to be something as and you can almost say it's quote UN quote trivial to say like money, because what's like we talk about like fighting over like resources. We're fighting over what houses we all look around you. We all have houses, you know, Like you know.

31:25 Like, like, there's a lot of people falling behind. In terms of what in? Terms of growth. Right. But what's growth? Growth would. Be just just intellectually. Intellectually, people. People that are not keeping up with the computers and all this technology, yes, like. That's what's going. To be my parents, they tell me, how do you do this in the computer? How do we, how do we do this for this? And unfortunately, like a lot of businesses, like if you're in your new, your 50s, sixties, 70s, and you ran your business a certain way and it always worked, that might not be the way it's going to continue to work. Because now you have these young 20 year olds, yeah, that are pushing at social media all this.

32:07 And they're pretty much taking the majority of, you know. But do you think that like, I think for example, that our parents generation is probably going to be the last generation that has the pleasure of enjoying the world as it is like this and like they can retire and like kind of like ride off into the sunset of like what this world was like that they're used to. And but I don't think that we're going to have the same luxury. I think that you and I are probably in the next 30-40 years from now, we're going to experience a lot of change and we're going to have to do a lot of we're going to be really lit on our toes. We're going to have to be able to adjust and move. And learn very quickly. Adapting. Very much adapt. Have to be adaptive because I think that that is going to make that is going to separate different. Classes, which is why I'm telling you, I've been using AI. I didn't want to fall into ChatGPT. I didn't want to do all this.

32:58 I don't I don't want to, but I because I'm realizing that if I don't get on it, it's going to leave. And the people that are using it and the people are getting way more ahead, getting way more productive in their, you know, in their type, in their work that they're getting done because they pretty much have an assistant. For free automatically. Here's one example. Here's one example that I that I just implemented right, my dad, the last couple. So generally speaking, so I use sales primarily for my income, right. It's I have a base plus Commission on. I work with my dad family business, sell medical equipment and. My dad did that for a while. Oh, yeah, and it's, it's it's. Pairs and stuff like that. So we do the actual like machines, like ultrasounds and patient monitors and Dexos and stuff like that.

33:41 Right. By the way, I want a DEXA. Dexa I hook you up? That's that's primarily why I sell to now because the insurance rebates are minuscule, but the body fat composition, whole body composition is out of pocket. So that's really the only way. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And those in body motion machines. They no, no, no, they suck, dude. We'll talk about that at another time. Yeah, so so, but you know, so one thing I do to I I don't, I hate cold calling. I hate the feeling of bothering someone and judge like. If I don't see the number and I don't have it saved. You don't pick up.

34:22 I'm not picking up. So what I do is I run and protect. Me after and I'm like hey Joe da da da da da and then that's. What I do, so I'll do emails, I'll do emails and stuff, right? But you know, So what I do was I run Google advertisements, so when doctors search ultrasound machines or Dexas. I pop up because your SEO, you have all that set up. So it's like. You know, So what happens is they call me now, it's not a cold lead now it's someone that's initiating with me that it shows they're interested in something. And so I'm happy now. You guys are paying top dollar to be able to. Be correct off of that, correct? Yes, correct, correct. It's not cheap, but it's it's, it's, it's part of the. It's worth it, yeah. Now is it pay per click or is OK, OK, it is.

35:03 That's good. Because if it's just you're paying money and no one. Take it pay per click you see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They break everything down really, really well. But, and recently last couple of weeks and it always takes changing up because you know, the campaigns, oh, you know, Google's always changing their formula. You always need to just change up the wording in the campaigns that you're doing. In the last couple of weeks, I haven't been able to figure out a really good one and it's been slower for work, right? My dad called me up and goes, listen, man, like we got to figure something out. We got to get, we got to get some traction. So I went to ChatGPT. I was like, I'm so stupid for not doing this right. I said, give me 50 OBGYN centers because we have a lot of 3D40 ultrasound machines. Got three babies in 3D40.

35:45 I'm like give me a list of 50 e-mail addresses around the country of OBGYN practices right? Boom, 30 seconds later that would it take me? Forever, because usually it doesn't pop up that yes. My time of my life and I would have been miserable and banging my head against the wall and I'm like, I'm Googling businesses and trying to find their e-mail addresses and are they? Interested. Where are they? Got me in seconds and I am a freaking idiot if I don't take advantage of that. That's what I'm saying. That's exactly I realize that. So when I when I realized couple and I put I got on it maybe like less than a year ago, I started using it. It's because it's what I were just saying. If we don't get on that train, it'll leave us behind to the point that we'll, we'll feel like we're like, you know what I mean?

36:30 Like we're indigenous. We're indigenous people. And we don't know how to navigate, you know, you know, the, the Internet and the computer. Like we need to get on top of that. Yeah. So I'm doing that for the podcast too now. Like, you know what? I want to talk to an investigative journalist. Give me 30 investigative journalist that, that, that that, that, you know that talk about XY and Z topics. Boom, done. No, I love it dude it. Is and by the way, I until I figured that out, I've been spending probably 15 hours a week or 20 hours a week researching people and trying to find interesting people. I just cut that time in. In not even. Right. And now the question of what? Time No wait. So then I just got an ad for this bot that calls 1800 phone numbers per minute.

37:16 No way some crazy number. So you're of course you need. It's all spam. Right, no pops on. People's phone is spam. What do you think the turn around rate on? What do you think the success rate on those 1800 people? Are then I don't I don't know I don't know because I I just know I saw yeah though yeah of course, but you would have to have a lead database obviously of you know what whatever 10,000 emails yeah or 10,000 phone numbers and then this bot calls it out or sends text messages out yes hey, this is such. A touch you listen to other podcasts or. Yeah, of course. What's my favorite or Mosey extra Mosey? OK. And this guy great, you know, OK, the Nick Bear podcast, you know, Nick, go one more.

37:57 No like a runner. Army Ranger. One of the biggest guys on YouTube love. Sean Ryan, do you like Sean? Ryan, Sean Ryan, I was just watching today. Which one? Tim Tebow. And then the other one with the guy that was undercover for all cases. Yeah. So how was that? I was. I didn't finish it. I didn't finish. It good how? Far I was I literally if I open up my YouTube, I think it'll pop up. Look, look, that's so. Funny, I just. Started dude CIAFBIAI like 11 minutes in, yeah. Dude, I want that's that one. I thought that's all great. I think that he I probably listen to one out of every like between 5 and 10 episodes. His Shawn Ryan is the GOAT when it comes to getting the right people in front of that seat. You know what I mean?

38:39 Like so. Oh, yeah. Like he's he's can get people that talented. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because he was loving. He's only cute. See you like CIA. You know, he's he's got he's got a good resume. You know he knows the right people. So what I was trying to, So what I was getting at earlier full circle and then we'll continue talking about a little bit more about your life because I'm really excited about that. But one of the things I was thinking about and talking about was what if, you know, our notion of Mashiach or the Messiah or whatever it is, What do we say? Like we talk all the time about like the days where we're not tempted with our like animal side, the days that we give clarity, like as to what are like what the right thing to do is. What if that is us like wedding out our consciousness from our bodies and like, what if like if we're like, you know, like where, where technology is going with AI, with quantum computing, with like all the groundbreaking things that are feel like happening every 5 minutes of every day. Yeah, every week.

39:39 Every. Every day. Every day you're reading these crazy articles. Now the markets booming, yeah. It's like the world is just, the world is just moving at a pace that we can't keep track of. But I'm not like the way I like to think about these things. I'm very really, I've been religious my whole life. I've been observing my whole life, but one of the things I think about is that when you think about these Bible stories, you think about these scenarios, these, you know, the leaving Egypt and you leave it by splitting the sea and receiving the Torah and everything like that. And you're like, well, OK, so it's happening to a small group of people. What's everyone else on the planet hearing? What's everyone else think? Is everyone like that's a conspiracy theory. Does everyone think like like what's like, what's everyone's reaction? Like what's action in and what if? What's happening now?

40:26 Are, are these signs of something really great happening? And it's a question of whether or not we're willing to see it or not. Yes. Because like when the Jews were leaving Egypt, I'm sure that a lot of people didn't want to see it the way it was. That's what that's what a Malik represents. You know, Malik represents and you know, those are the people that that were, that were told to, to snuff out and to kill and to eradicate their, this philosophy, this perspective of skepticism and hate and, and you know, big deal that nothing's meaningful, nothing's valuable in your life and nothing's valuable in the world and everything is chaos and random. And we're supposed to snuff that out and insist that it's important, right? And like, how do we not know that that's what's happening, right? Now, yeah, I I think it you, you're on something there. I think, I think we are on that and it and it won't be something like we're thinking it's going to be. It's not, that's right, right.

41:17 And you know that, you know, there's a famous Midrash, there's a famous, you know, you know, there's, so there's the written law, there's oral law, of course, of course. And, and you know, there's a commentary, the oral commentary on the, on the Torah. And one of the things they talk about is that 3/4 of the Jews didn't leave Egypt. Right they stayed. Right they stayed. They could not. Bring themselves to adapt and to change their environment. You know 3/4 of that and 600,000 left which shows how many of that you know 600,000 men between the age of 18 and 20 and 20. And 50 maybe or 50I? Mean something like that, I don't know, 18 and 50 was just say and then since they a couple million people right left, 3/4 of them were dead.

42:00 That means that something's going to be happening where most Jews or most people are not going to be able to accept reality for what it is. And we have to keep and, and we have to keep our minds open to like what what the future is going to be and like that it's going to be something unfamiliar and strange. We can look at it. I mean, let's let's talk about COVID. Let's talk about it. What do you think? COVID, it was this. I mean, it left everybody, you know. That shattered the world. That shattered the world. And then now we hear about, oh, it was fake, it was this, it was that. It wasn't really fake. It wasn't fake. It was a real. It was a real. Thing but unless. He made by men. Right. But when they say it was fake, it was they made this big commotion of all the distancing, all these rules that were not really made-up, made-up because they didn't really have information on this disease.

42:48 Yeah. So, you know, you could say 6 feet, not 6 feet. Don't cough. In front of the face. No mad, no mad, whatever it is. But yeah, Mask it's a, you know, whatever people were wearing masks inside their car, driving like self people were still are like, you know, actually thank God for COVID. Because tell. Me that if it wasn't because of COVID I wouldn't be here today first. Of all, why? It's just because COVID gave me the the structure to come and find the gym that I'm at now with one of my trainer. Partners OK so let's go back to let's go back to bodybuild so OK so now that was a great philosophical conversation a lot of fun we now so now we talked about military partying this whole philosophical conversation and now you're and now when you're starting to become more observant I guess you know more religious and.

43:43 Which is like 2020, so about five years ago. Wait, OK, so you were in the army told about 2013? Navy in the Navy. In the Navy rather till about 2013. Yeah. And then for like for like 7 years. 6-7 years you're partying. Seven years. And at this point, were you working out were? You I was working with you big, were you? I was big. You were getting. Big testosterone I was. Big I was. Yeah, were. You afraid to take? Testosterone. No, I was not. I was not an afraid kid. No. And now I have respect, because now you know I know better. OK, so so where you so so how'd that get started? Because I just wanted the muscle. I wanted this so I took the you. Just want to be huge. Creatine, the protein shake. I did it all, you know. OK. And I achieved the physique that I wanted. Did you?

44:25 I did, I did. I just was never content because I became obsessed with like this body dysmorphia that I didn't think I was enough and I was shred. By the way. And I was freaking 21567 percent body fat, ready to compete. Everything. Guy Levy, he'll talk. He was my coach for a while in bodybuilding. OK, Yeah. But I never got on stage. Really. Why? Because I couldn't. I'll tell you this right now, I didn't think I was ready the whole time and I look back at. The picture already. We talked about, he obviously said yes and we were talking with he he had another guy who was training at the time, Colin Robinson, I think his name was. He won and everything.

45:08 He competed and I should have competed at the same time when he was competing, but I was. Tabia diet, right? I was on the so I don't. He got me off of it. No, I think I don't. Remember he told, he told me that he got, he, he, he, he, he told me he didn't like the top of your diet. No, I think he put me on like ground Turkey or ground beef or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember. OK, but Long story short, I was. The point is that I got into the bodybuilding thing. The bodybuilding thing, I was very successful in achieving the physique I wanted. I never thought it was enough. So I wanted more and I was big. I was like literally just, I was taking testosterone a bunch. So I was very muscular, very ripped, but I still didn't think I was ripped enough or big enough. So that created some type of like mental.

45:49 Where did they come from? Come from my own snow come from comes from my OCD from my from from the military, let's call it the military gave me gives me this like OCD of everything has to be perfect. So I didn't see and perfect doesn't exist. We're not perfect. We'll never be perfect. But I'm trying to look like I would say Mr. Olympia magazine. I want to look like that. Not going to look like Mr. Olympia because Mr. Olympia, he looks like that the specific time when he's dehydrated, when everything, all the points, all the stars align and everything is perfect in that specific moment on stage with the right lighting with the tan. And then they take that picture that you see and you're comparing yourself to.

46:30 So, Long story short, it's pretty. Unhealthy. No, no, I said. The whole process sounds pretty healthy. It's very hunchy. So you, you, you're doing all the healthy stuff, the eating healthy, the working out, but you're also. Mentally, it's not. You're doing, you're being unhealthy mentally because you're creating this like psychosis or something. So interesting. To a point that I'm there. Happened a lot to a lot of bodybuilders. Yes, yes, to a point that I wasn't enjoying life. Everything was so restricted and you know, and I still wasn't happy with the result to the point that I just, you know, I stopped the bodybuilding. Obviously I was still into fitness and still, you know, working and everything. But the bodybuilding, you know, you take a break a day. Tupperware. No way you. Know what I mean? What was that like? What are 8 meals a day like? What do you eat?

47:12 It was literally salmon, ground beef, boiled hard boiled eggs, protein shakes, more protein bars. All protein, no carbs. No, no, no, no, no. Of course, sweet potato. I was eating a bunch of Oh yeah, yeah. So what's your diet? Like 4000? I would think I was eating like 4100 calories at that point. And are you burning those calories off? Are you in order to be able to gain mass? My skin on my stomach was literally like, like thin, like, like paper. Like, really? Yeah, it was literally because from literally you're working. I was working out 2-3 hours a day. And what do you when you're working out 2-3 hours a day, you're hitting ultra specific areas? Right, a lot of isolation, but I was at a point that I literally just, I would go and just work out. Just hey, all right, let me hit buys and tries and just go until failure, pretty much.

47:59 But I I would recover so quickly, you know? Yeah. When you're on when you're on TRT, you're recovering twice as fast. You know what I mean? Testosterone. Yeah. You're on TRT, you're recovering twice as fast. I'm calling TRT. It wasn't through a doctor. It wasn't a proper TRT. Yeah, You know, treatment. I'm trying to, you know, make it sound nice. This as a kid, I'm doing this as a kid I would get I would get the testosterone from like how? Do you connect with the guy again? How did it happen? USI the gym in Weston, OK? Me and Guy, we, we were neighbors growing up, OK, Literally we lived in the same subdivision of the neighborhood, not even in the same neighborhood, but in the same subdivision of the neighborhood. We were going in the bus, in the same bus and everything, and we connected because he was, I think at the time, training people from USI, the gym.

48:46 He wasn't working there as a coach, I think, or maybe he was. He was doing his own coaching, his own thing, but he was working at that gym, Monster, he was coaching. Bodybuilding in MMA. Yes, I think he had. The company was called SD Physiques or something like that. Yeah. Guy correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I think it was SD physique, yeah. I went to. I got adjusted from him earlier this week. I need to go. I have. Dude and you check out the facility, dude, I go to jiu jitsu there probably three times a week now. Two times a week now. Well, he rented a space in this big gym and they get NFL combine players, UFC fighters, and then the there's there's a jiu jitsu, boxing, kickboxing and MMA classes that all happened in that area too.

49:38 And so he introduced me to the coach, and about a month ago I started going, oh wow, dude, it's my favorite thing in the world. It's so cool. Dude, what you were describing about like nothing else is there when I'm when I'm when we're rolling jiu jitsu. I had a baby two weeks ago. I do not even know that baby exists while I'm rolling. Dude, my wife exists. It's like there is nothing. You know why? Well. Ukrainian. You know why? You know why? Why? Because you have to be present. You know why? Because you're in fight or flight. Yeah, you have to be present. And we live our everyday, and I'm adjusting, dude, I feel automatic in the same room. People get up at the same time. We'd go to the kitchen, we'd grab the same cup, make the same cup of coffee. We're living on autopilot.

50:22 Yeah, some things change within our day, but for the most part, you'd grab it, go into the, you know, the car you drive to school, drop the same thing. So. But when I, when I do it and I'm like, it's interesting because I started doing it because I'm a wimp. Like I, I, I, I my biggest, my biggest flaw as a human being is that I'm afraid is that I don't have enough confidence myself to handle the unknown. I don't feel like I could handle it right. Even though I, I know intellectually I probably can. Most of the time I don't feel that way. Like my brain and my and and how I feel. Do not line up. Gotcha. No, no, I understand. And this has been so beneficial because when I started, when I started training, I started rolling.

51:04 I would give up, but what I was I. Call them crotch sniffers. Yeah, that's me, dude. And I was thinking, dude, I had too many crotches in my face, that's what. Jorge Masvidal would say the Jorge Masvidal. No, you know how her Masvidal is the the fighter. He's from Miami. He would fight with Kimbo, slice the backyard fights. Dude I started following fighting a year ago. So he was in the UFC when oh I I love. I look him up. I love dude. Yeah. What do you think over this past this past fight? Of Bilal Muhammad. Muhammad Yeah. I'm not even going to say anything because we're alive. He. Lost. I'm just going to say that do. You think he's a good fighter? Do you think Bilal is a good fighter? No, he's boring. He doesn't finish any fights. He can't even finish his girlfriend probably. And yes, no, actually his actually his most his fight, his most exciting fight was this last one and he lost. Yeah, imagine.

51:55 And I'm not here just talking shit, but he just so I like fighters that are going to give you more action like a Charles Aleveda. Or by the way, oh, there's not going to last. I don't think he's going to last a round against the poirier. I don't know. The Poirier is going to be more in a round. Because the four years younger Temporia is hungrier and he's just such a piece. But, and I love to. For running, dude. RIA has a facility, hyperbaric chamber, all the red light therapy, eyes, everything you can name this. Guy does. How do you know that? Because he has this whole thing on YouTube and. Dude dude I'm so sad that he's not fighting Islam yet but. Islam walked away.

52:37 He vacated you think you. Think that Islam is afraid of him. I don't, I'm not going to use the word afraid because I don't think no fighter. I don't think no, no fighter that's in the UFC, you could say that they're afraid of a fighter because you wouldn't be a fighter if you're afraid of a fighter. You wouldn't be. But you are. You, you might have a little respect for somebody and you might be a little intimidated, but it's just looks like if you're a shark diver, you're not scared of sharks. Yeah, You know what I mean? There's sharks that are more scary than others but you jump in the water with. Olivera. I love Olivera, dude, I think. I don't think he's. So complete everything. He jumps, clearly he stands up. If you want to stand up the whole time, he'll stand up with you. The whole yeah. But then there's guys that want to hug the entire time because they know on the feet they can't win, so then they're going to go straight for the takedown.

53:23 Do you grab? The leg do you? Anything. No, but I, one of my really good friends is Sydney Outlaw. He fought for Bellator MMA. No way. Yes. And I trained him for a while. I trained him for one of his fights. He. Physically tell like. No, so we do strength training. I don't do the fight training, but I do the strength training. So I do strength for him for a while. Really. Yeah, I was a strength training coach for a while. Right now he's training out of Killcliff, which is where Jack, Dylan, Malena and all these other fighters go training Killcliff. There's it's out of Deer. It's like Deerfield. Or oh dude, I just thought Michael Chandler fought out of. Deer. Yeah, killed all of them. Fight out of kills. Yeah, he fights. He's really good friend of mine. Yeah. I think I'm going to see him this week and we're going to go swimming. This week, dude. OK, cool. That'll be an interview right there to grab. It dude, I'm not going to say anything but. I think you said that out later.

54:11 We'll trade, we'll trade, we'll trade for a DEXA dude. So. Oh, man. So yeah. So anyway, I think that. So one of the things I noticed that when I started rolling was that I would roll. I would see what they would do to me. I'd ask them what they would do again slowly so I could understand what was happening. And how do I say what do I, what do I, what do I, what would you do if you're in my shoes? This whole. Time, right to get out of it, yeah. Or what, what, what are you doing when I'm doing this, that this is right or wrong? And now when I'm rolling after a month and you know, I mean, obviously it's a lifetime to go after a month, I'm just like I'm when I'm fighting, I'm not or when I'm rolling, I'm not rolling just blindly, just like, let's see what's happening. I know I have like, oh, I know what my arms, my arm, my arms are supposed to be tucked.

55:01 I don't want to get into my arms. I know my neck, my chin is you're. Aware you're creating awareness. Correct. And and and I'm not flighting. I'm fighting like my like my I in the moment. The moment slows down and I say OK. Right, everybody, You're not flighting. You're not right? Panic. Scared. Correct. That's what I that that was my. That is my. For the heart racing super fast when you're at that moment that's my default that's that's but that's everybody's that's not doing the still the top fighters, you know in their highest level their heart rate, you know still skyrockets every now and then. It's it's normal because I asked my friend that he's like, yeah, it's still, you know, it just happens. It just happens. It's part of it. But you learn to know it's normal, right? Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like I'm feeling this way, the whole perspective, but I it's OK, but it's OK that I feel this way.

55:45 Now. Let me just figure out my situation and then make a decision and act upon. And I remember at the time that I started, I was having another little bit of rough patch with work. And the way that I was approaching, sure, please. The way that I was approaching it also here, the way that I was approaching it, I wrote that earlier. The way that I approached it was is I lost my trade of thought. Now the way that I approached it is when I have an issue my issue, my response would be this is bad who can I go to rectify it? Who can I go to to rectify it not what can I do to fix the problem.

56:27 And after I started training, I started thinking about things not as who can fix my problem for. Me. How can I? What can I do? Yes, to maneuver my way out of this? And I think that that's really what the ultimate value is, is that it gives you. Again, there's two things that are really important. There's discipline and there's autonomy and license and like the feeling. That actually brings the confidence, which is what we were absolutely we all all. Beginning all. The and I don't feel how confident you are. You are because everybody, Oh yeah, I'm super. There's still lapses and moments where we lack a certain confidence and we have to be like, oh, we got to bring it back. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's it's very normal.

57:09 That's why priming is great in in all aspects. Timing is so yeah, so can you. Why don't you just explain priming just in case anyone doesn't know. What that is Priming. So priming is pretty much doing something before an activity or something just to get you ready for it. For example, a great way of priming is an ice bath. Interesting. Why to an ice bath? Why? Because when you jump into that ice bath, your whole body goes into shock. Your vagus nerve activates completely. What's your vagus nerve? What your vagus nerve is right here located in and it pretty much controls your your, your, all your hormones and your whole entire body. And it's activated or shut down when you happen. So, and it actually completely activates it. OK, yes.

57:50 So when it activates it, you're it's like you're awake again. So when you come out of the the ice bath, you're extra awake. You're extra awake. So, yeah, interesting. So now you go sit at a meeting and you're going to kill that sales call because you're everything. You're thoughts, you're not guessing words, you're not missing, you know, moments and lapse of judgement in your memory because your brain is so fired up because you literally took it from zero to 100. You didn't jump in the warm water and then turn it cold. No, you jumped into freezing cold water and your body hung. Out in it, yeah. What the hell just happened? Not only mentally but physically inside what's happening? Think about it like a machine starts to pump in a bunch of like water. This It's trying to make you warm so you can freeze to death. So out of my son it starts working overtime to try to keep you warm so you don't freeze. So interesting.

58:34 So internally, a bunch of stuff that we can't even describe what's actually happening inside of. Us, but it's making us way better. But it's making us way better. So that's a way of priming. Another way of priming is first thing in the morning, doing something is getting you properly in your mindset to tackle whatever they're after you're going to do. There's a way of doing things called habit stacking, which I read from a book called Atomic Habits. Atomic Habits. Thank you very much. Yes, yes, yes, stacking. And it's exactly this. Prime yourself first thing in the morning, then to do something that you needed, you know, let's say drop off the kid at school. And then from there put something after that activity that you normally wouldn't go do. But since you're already out and about, yeah, might as well go to the gym afterwards.

59:18 Yeah. Don't go home. Yeah. No, no, no. So stack that habit on top of the other. So you're already taking your kids to school. That's no effort that you're going to take your kids to school because you're not. You're not. You're going to not stop taking your kids to school. You know what I mean? Yeah. So. So what? So combined responsibility with with your own kind of sense of going out there and doing your own thing. Right. So that's a way of priming to as well. You know you're getting ready for the next thing. So things don't, but we could be. Primed for different things too. Absolutely. I know that, for example, by the way, huge I'm hopefully I'm speaking, I'm meeting up with early early next week someone that specializes in porn addiction and and sexual health, right. Wow, porn addiction is a massive issue especially. Nowadays is. True.

1:00:00 And more than before, right back in my day, we're back in my day, we had my, my friend's dad when we were little kids, a Playboy magazine that could steal from, you know, the, the guest bathroom or something. And, and it wasn't even like fully naked, you know what I mean? Now these kids are like, it's crazy. I don't even want to name it, you know what I mean? Disastrous what they're seeing out there. Right. But we're so, but we're prone to it because I know for myself even that especially when I was younger, but even till today, right? If you're scrolling on Instagram, you're scrolling on Twitter, something will prime you to dive in subconsciously, correct? Like. A bunch of people going to the gym nowadays. Why? Because everything, everybody with all those videos of the gym workout videos during.

1:00:45 I'm you for whatever. When you go to Vegas, what's the first thing when you step off the plane in casino? Casino, first thing you see slots. First thing, win slots. 777. Get you ready, get you ready to gamble because we are going to get you in that mindset. You are going. To rhyming you correct, But if we can use this priming to our advantage, correct Or something positive? Right, so these are tools. Tools are either good or bad. And the way that you use them is going to make the is make all the difference in the world. So you, so you were bodybuilding and and and then you're too hard on yourself. You decide to stop. I got too, yeah, I got too obsessive compulsive just and this is. 2020. Yeah, this was before that.

1:01:28 This was before when I stopped by building bodybuilding. It was a little bit before 2020. I. Want to see a picture of what you were looking like when you were bodybuilding? If I start scrolling now to find a picture. No, no, find it another time, send me another time. I want to see. I, I was big, big and, and not just big bulky, like I was ripped and I had a good physique. You can ask, you can ask. I had a good physique like I could have, I could have made it, you know, at least I have BB pro at the time do. You have the beard at the time. No, I didn't. I had a little bit of beard. I always had a little bit of beard, but not like this. This this is great by the way. This is when I started. This is 2020 to now and I'd never cut it after. You didn't. You didn't. Try a bit here and there, but for the most part it hasn't been cut. It looks, it looks great. It looks great. Yeah.

1:02:09 Because you know, why I, I, there's certain people whose beards grow down and, you know, clean and people, certain people, my beard goes out like, almost like it's like poofy, you know, out instead of down and. Right. No, mine was terrible. Dude, I. Have to keep it like this because otherwise it's a mess. No at. First mine went out. Oh, did it, yeah. But after it's this is this is years of my beard. This is five years of beard like this crazy long time, you know. How attached you to your beard? Oh my, this is my whole identity, my whole if I, if I didn't have my beard, it was like, you know, I mean, I think you're off for my beard every day. Literally. Some people can't grow beard.

1:02:50 Some people. Dude, you know I was 22. Emo has Vishalam and they don't. You lose all your hair, so you got to be thankful of you know what you have, you know? So you quit that and did you know, did you have a we at that point? Were you not sure what you do with your life? What are you going to do? Like, you know. I was always a trainer. I was always into fitness. I was always in that fitness world. I worked at every brand name. Jim, you can name me and I'll tell you I worked there. I worked at La Fitness. I worked at 24 Hour Fitness. I worked at You Fit Are. They good places. All good places. Yeah, they're the great places. I'm not down in them. They're they're the typical, you know, starting gym when you're a brand new trainer with a, you know, a certificate, you go to Lily Fitness, they hire.

1:03:32 You get a rich mom that comes in, they want to see not. Even nightly fitness nowadays is not even the rich mom that comes in like now the people that that really want my brother goes there. They don't go train at these places and I'm not trying to down no problem. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. They they go try and find private gym studios like the one I have now. OK. I'll see if your own gym. Not my own gym. I, I share this space with another trainer, his name is Dan Palacios. He has kinetic training, the best kinetic training. Kinetic training is his brand that it's just, you know, your kinetic, your whole body is a kinetic chain. So it's pretty much like a full body training stuff. But that's the name that he went kinetic training to the kinetic training facility. That's his brand, that's his name, and he's been super helpful from the beginning to share the space with me and his equipment and everything. So I want to give him a big shout out to that. Awesome.

1:04:19 Yeah. And that's where we've been for five years now. And so that's so. You started this five years ago. Yeah, we both did. When in this farm, in this outdoor location, it was very COVID. I'm riding my bike. Dan has his workout trailer set up in the grass in this farm on Davie by Western High School. And I ride my bike inside the gym. I inside the farm and I see workout equipment on the floor. I'm like, what is this? You know, so my gym was closed at the time because it was COVID and, and I was not working out. I was working out at home, you know, doing body weight, you know, stuff and like 25 LB dumbbells that I had in COVID and that's literally what I was living off. So Long story short, I meet Dan at this farm. He has his workout trailer.

1:05:08 He's like, you're a trainer. I'm a trainer. He's like, oh, I'm like, oh, can I work out here? He's like, yeah, sure, you can work out here. Long as he was still training some of his clients. Long story short, I started training with him there with his workout trailer. The guy that owns the property, he's like, oh, you guys are pretty serious. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to build a structure back there. I'm going to turn, you know, you guys can use it back, you know, So we turn that into a gym now, Gym and outdoor. Gym. Really. Dan does affiliate marketing with different brands, so he's gotten a lot of different equipment that you don't see in regular gyms. OK, for example like what? Just different equipment that's not your typical. Like what? What is it? What's the what's what's he trying to accomplish with this new equipment?

1:05:50 If someone. Just different modalities. It's just different tools to do like ABS different tools to you know, do chest presses, do overhead presses, just different things that you normally. Would have been feeling different. Is it that you got a different workout and that's more effective? Yeah, because you have 10 different grips to do pull ups, right. You have three different things to do this, you know, I mean just different that you're not going to find a Nelly fitness or a conventional gym, you know, so that's pretty cool. It's it's outdoors and that was a big thing because it was COVID, everything was shut down and this is a private property outdoors and it was not regulated by like, you know, the anybody to come and like shut you down because of COVID mask whatever. So we got away through all that for the only place that was. Open. Amazing. So you have a lot of people sign.

1:06:31 Up. I had a lot of people sign up. So this brings me back to me saying, well, how we started this, Thank God for COVID, because if it wasn't for COVID, we wouldn't be in the gym where we're at today and I wouldn't have met Dan and I wouldn't have done everything. And it didn't just everything wouldn't have fell into place like it did, you know? So for some people, I heard that it was really bad. They lost family members and I'm sorry for that. COVID, you know it was COVID by. The way you lost friends, you lost. For a lot of people it was the best because they, you know, did the business that they always wanted to do when they couldn't do. And all of a sudden they, they made it happen. You know, they, they, they chased that entrepreneurship in the endeavour or whatever. So there was a lot of positive that came out of.

1:07:11 I think so too, by the way. I think, I think it was a little bit of a glimpse into the future, like a short term glimpse into the future where we could see a world in which being present, like literally being in office is irrelevant. And that people could be productive on their own time in their own way. Or people could be a giant waste of space. And like you realize that they really do absolutely nothing like with their, with their time, with their job, with their, you know, with their responsibilities and that they aren't really necessary at all. And I think that like it goes one way or the other. Like people are either really, really awesome and become, you know, really entrepreneurial like you said, or.

1:07:52 Or the opposite you're taking. Two meetings a day. We're joining the Zoom because you have to and your camera's. Off right and you're on your boxers, right? You know, boxers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hang on. I'm going to take a quick bathroom break one second and we're back. Welcome back. Yes. So we're just talking about how we skipped over a bunch of stuff, but that's OK, that always happens. And then. Yeah, just because if I go in detail with every story about every part of them, you know by. The way we'll also do I'm sure we'll do another episode I I found that we. Could definitely do another one, you know, and if we want to go in specific, maybe if some of the audience wants to know a specific stuff, you know first. Of all, I want to know specific stuff in general, but I also noticed that I like getting group episodes together too, like 3 or 4 people. So you know what?

1:08:37 We can actually bring my good friend. You met him, Jack. He goes to show with me. He walks with me. You've seen him when I'm glasses. Yeah, he goes on. Window washing with art, right? Yes, yeah. With Aaron, Yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah. Sweet, sweet kid. He's your buddy. Is that not it here? So yes, we're we're pretty much family so. You're pretty much family. Yeah, I see you guys hanging out together. All the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not related though. Not blood, but we are. You're brothers. We're pretty much brothers, yeah. You're brothers. I wanted to ask you a couple of things, your thoughts or opinions on a couple of things.

1:09:21 Israel does a similar process that what you did in terms of kids graduate high school is a mandatory draft. Yes, that's why I love that Israel does that. But Israel has to do that because if not, we wouldn't have people to defend Israel because if anybody, you know what I mean? Yeah, if it was optional, you think people would be no, right. So that's, I mean, yes, you do have the patriotic that yes, I'm going to die for Israel, but there's a lot of people that wouldn't. Yeah, sure. And unfortunately it has to be mandatory. So regardless if they do it for discipline or not discipline, if you do it because we got to protect Israel, no matter. What do you think? It's better for kids to go to the Army 7, let's say 18 to 21 and then go to college or go to college after high school.

1:10:06 That's a good question. And then, and then, and then 21 to 24 do the army because. Let me pause Real. Quick, Yeah, sure. This is a question because I could tell you that the the sooner that computer is programmed, the better. But I could also tell you look what happened to me when I got out, right? That's very young. That's what I was asking. And that computer, this pro unprogrammed real quick in the wrong environment because I still skipped the step of the partying and all that part of the life that is. So that's why I had to pause, because it's very. Important. So what do you think? It goes back to. Or do you think there's? Someone life purpose goes back to our life purpose. Do you think the people she wants to say I choose to go to the Army before or after college and like give them the choice to do one or the other? As long as you can sign it and then you're actually going to sign it.

1:10:57 Correct. Correct. Meaning you, you become. That here, you could do that here and become an officer, which is what I should have done. OK, can you explain how that works? My my cousin, he's an officer in the Navy and he actually flies F eighteens. Cool, really. Yeah, out of aircraft carriers, dude, he's the next person to. Hook up too. Yeah, yeah. A picture and everything. He's a beast. He's a beast. OK. So he went to the Naval Academy and then went to went into the service. So when you go Naval Academy, you get a degree. You get a degree, Yeah. And what was his degree in your cousin I? Don't know if it was aeronautics or something though, but OK, cool. Yeah. The point is he. Yeah. But he went to college first. Thing he did, actually, he just got accepted.

1:11:38 Top Gun. Get out of here. Yeah. What? Yeah. That's a real thing. Yeah, it's a real thing. It's not just a movie. It's not just a movie. Top Gun is a real thing. It's a real thing, but I'm not going to say anything else because everything else would be confidential but. OK, wait, what? What? What do they do? Can you talk about? You talk about it's literally the Top Gun of the Navy. It's they're the ones that are literally take carrying out those positions. They can't think about anything. Else, yeah, but I mean that's there's more. What do you. I really don't know. What do you think about confidentiality after being in the Army? Do you think it's bullshit or do you think that it's? I think there's certain there's there's some certain level of respect like this. Thank you. Certain level of respect, OK, the people that, oh, I got out and now I'm going to say everything because I think that's a way of treason.

1:12:23 I think you'll have a moral responsibility, absolutely. What do you think of someone like Ed? Snowden Now if it's something that was that you saw that was bad going in there, right that that they're they're high still blowing right with that's different. That's different. Yeah, you think so? I don't know, I just still don't think I'm not. You know, Ed Snowden is, I'm sure. What do you mean? Ed Snowden. No, what it's. Not Ed Snowden is a guy that he works for the NSA and he found out that NSA was illegally spotting spying on American citizens. And so NSA, NSA is a national surveillance surveillance agency, Security Agency. You know Ed Snowden is Edward Snowden. And his names I.

1:13:06 Mean dude, I'm going to send you. I'm going to send you some articles about him. He's on Rogan's podcast. Tell me about a a Hasidic rapper's name. And I mean, yeah, yeah, but. He but, but so but he he found out the government, that the government, the American government was illegal, was illegally spying on the citizens and he leaked that information to a couple of journalists. Was that on shot, Ryan? No, that was on shot. Right. No, he's on Rogan though. I think he was on Rogan twice. OK, yeah, dude. OK, got the years and and he's considered a quote UN quote traitor, right? Because he was giving out confidential information to journalists. After he got. But in the information that he was giving over was that the government was doing illegal things to its own people.

1:13:47 And he ended up and and and he ended up having to run to I want to stick with Scott. Thank you. He ended up running to You have more, you have one. He ended up running to, I think Japan and Russia. And he lives in Russia full time now, but he wants to come back to the states, you know, but he, he quote, UN quote, betrayed the government because he found that the government was doing illegal things to the to the citizens. That's different. That's different if, you know, if because it's doing something bad to the citizen, then, you know, you're trying to uncomfort, like when you're just coming out and you're saying a bunch of things that you shouldn't be saying about, you know, maybe missions that were top secret that, you know, you shouldn't be saying. Yeah, you know what I mean?

1:14:31 You went in there and you did something that you shouldn't have done. Yeah. I showed my high school class the movie Argo. You ever watched that movie? I think so. Now Argo is who's the guy that's always with Matt Damon, Ben Affleck and Ben Affleck plays. It's based, it's based on a true story from 1980 when when the American embassy was taking the people in the in the embassy were taking hostage and Iran. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And the CIA had to come in and, and, and there were six people that that escaped embassy and were living in, in Iran, you know, undercover and the, and the CIA had to come in and get them out. Right. Yeah, yeah. And the end of the movie was you won an award. Congratulations. Everything is confidential. No one's a lot to know about what you did, you know?

1:15:11 And and he's like, so you give me your awards, take away the award. He's like, if you think we do our jobs for awards, no, you're not in the right industry. You know that you're choosing the wrong job. But I, I, I think I tend to agree with you. I think I tend to agree that giving away information just for the sake of giving away information is stupid. Very. But when you got whistleblowers for shit like Epstein and you know, you got, you got stuff like the government spying on people and stuff like that, you know, like that's a different level of whistleblowing that I don't think. The government, of course, has its own little agenda and has its own thing. And when we say the government, we're. Talking about this group of like.

1:15:52 But there's there's an illegally and there is something underground and believe it or not, you want to say I'm lying there. There's things that do exist, and. I think the question that people generally have is to what extent it exists and to how and to how much does it have, correct? Like is it a bunch of like, I think the biggest concern is that people tend to think of these things. Is there a bunch of evil people like that are bald and like in a lair, like, you know, like, oh, what are you going to do to like kill human? People. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. So that's and then so, so do you think that the draft, what do you think? What would you think of America Had a mentor? A draft?

1:16:33 I would love it. You'd love it. People would hate me for saying this. I would love it. By the way, I. Hope it does. I hope it happens so everybody can literally just harden up. Everybody's too soft. This new generation, so soft, so, so soft. People need to harden up. These the youth, all the youth, they want everything yesterday, no discipline, no nothing. And literally just I think it should be mandatory. And then that way it'll also make people more patriotic of their country of what they live. This self hating American thing. Like you see all the time, like burning flags doing this all this like, why are you here then if you're, if you're doing all this stuff like get out just yeah, it's I can easily buy your ticket right now if it sucks so bad.

1:17:17 So how about you, you know, build some some love and patriotism through the hardship of the people that fought their lives for this country have gone through. Then then maybe they would have some respect for this country. So there's two responses I have to that. One of them is positive and one of them is negative, right? Because on one hand, I agree with you. On one hand, I think that it would be very, I think that people take things for granted that are easy to take for granted. And I think that having to work for something creates takes away from that sense of just taking it as you know, for face value and just assuming that that's what it is and that it's actually built on the actual hard work of a lot of people, right?

1:18:01 On the other hand, I also think that just because you work hard and you're sacrificing for your country doesn't necessarily make you right about everything. And I think that people like to play that card. We're like, oh, you know, I for example, I had a teacher. This is obviously a totally different example, but I think you could, we'll be able to draw the parallels. I did. You know, there's a big problem in the Modern Orthodox Jewish community where the Mon Orthodoxy typically only lasts about a generation. I went to, I went to Yeshiva high school. Yeah. And I went to Yeshiva in Israel, went to Binghamton, Upstate New York College and I noticed that my high school class where it's private tuition, 25,000 to $30,000 a year per kid, right.

1:18:49 And some of my friends had four or five, you know, siblings, yeah, 6 and yeah, yeah, you know, and, and, and the parents had to had to pay $150,000 of just tuition. Before you talk about the mortgage, before you talk about taxes, post your. Food. Anything like that, right. And, and, you know, and, and the teachers in the, in this Jewish world make fifty $60,000. And I noticed that in my class of about 160 kids when I was graduating that were, you know, presumably from religious families, I'd say about 80% were religious families, presumably about, I would say by the time we about, you know, three years out of out of high school, maybe 7, I'd say maybe 50% of the class was not observant anymore, which I think is indicative of the education, right? Meaning if you were taught the right things, if you wait, wait. Wait, so this was what grade to what grade this? 9th to 12th grade is.

1:19:44 High to grade to. 12th, right? By the time you graduated, you're 1718 years old. By the time you're 21, I would say over 50% of the grade is no longer right, of 160 kids, right? And I was pointing that out to a teacher of mine that I had after I'd graduated, when I wanted to talk to you about how I want, why I wanted to go into education. And I and I said that something has to change about the education system. That obviously kids don't feel like they're getting the proper education and that that's why it's not, it's not giving them the proper foundation. It's inspiring enough, right? Right. It's inspiring enough, so I'm not going to do it right. So his response to me was, hey, man, you know, obviously on those words, hey, man, you know, you don't know what it's like working, you know?

1:20:35 Yeah, working X amount of hours a week, getting paid X amount of dollars, no appreciation, everyone stepping on you and no one gives a shit. And you know, obviously none of this is verbatim, but this is general gist of what he's saying to me. And he goes and you don't have a right to criticize it because you're not doing the hard. Work. That's what I'm doing like that. He told me in not in a. Bad way. He told me in a much, in a much kinder way, but that's what he said, right? He said you don't have the right to criticize me because you're not making the sacrifice I'm making and you and you're not doing what I'm doing, so you can't comment on it. And I'm like, but I'm one of the recipients. I'm in the system, right? Like I, I, I'm, I'm one of the people that I could have gone either way and I got lucky that, you know, didn't go the right way. I did go the right way.

1:21:20 I'm lucky I had right parents would support the right community, the right whatever. But it very easily could have gone 5050. It's still, you know, I mean, you never know, God forbid, you know, whatever. Yeah, a lot of times parents send their kids there hoping that the school's gonna make them the religious correct that that son that they want to have correct. And that's a big problem, too. That's a huge. Problem happy you said that, dude. I mean, how'd you how'd you realize that? When did you? Because everything starts from home. And you, you want your kid to be this, this big ribane, you know what I mean? And you yourself are not even 10% of that. So how do you expect your son to follow in your footsteps?

1:22:01 And maybe you are this religious man, but maybe your approach to it is not making it in a way that he feels. So the so that's so that's exactly the comparison. I'm going to say, though, in response to your into your argument that everyone has to go to that, that everyone should go to the army or the people that don't go to the Army don't appreciate it. I think that you don't necessarily have like, there's still the value, like someone could still love America, still love the country. Without having to go right without. Having to do that and by the way, I don't like, I think that the weights that they carry are just different weights. I don't think that either 1 is more valuable than the next because they have to both provide perspective. I think one thing, for example, that I've really felt very strongly recently, right, is with this Israel Palestine, with Israel Gaza war, right, where obviously I've been, I've never not been on Israel's side my entire life, you know, of course. And then I've listened to this.

1:22:57 I've listened to the voices and the people that have said like Israel has made a point and a lot of innocent people are dying at this point. And I will say it's really, really terrible that a lot of a lot of innocent people. I think it's not finished yet. And yes, a lot of finished and a lot of people have died, but we're not done. And and until the Hamas and all the people that want to be against us for for us being Jews, then we're going to continue to push back, right, Because if we don't push back, the difference is if we don't push back, we will get completely, you know, and that not happen has for Shalom. Of course that would not happen, because the sham will not let that happen. Right.

1:23:37 I don't think so. That will never happen. But I think. That they're saying that it just, that's why I think it's, it's important. You know what I mean? It is important. I don't know. I think, I think it's important. I think that I think it's important to, to, I think it's the point that Hamas has gone. I think that they are the worst thing for everyone. I think that do you know that the, that the Palestinians and the Hevron Jewish community were extremely close for hundreds and hundreds of years, that they were like brothers to one another until like the mid 1920s and 30s. But like, yeah. And they were like very, very, very close, you know. And what happened was everyone props each other up.

1:24:19 They did business together, they worked together. They, they went into investments together. They, they, they would support one another. They were living on the same St. as each other and they got along beautifully. Which which is how it used to be back. Right, right. I think that. Arabs and Jews lives together all the time, yeah. Yeah, by the way, my, my, and you know, my grandmother is my grandmother's from Yemen, My grandma, my, my, my, my dad started. The family Yemen. We're talking about the Hamas, right? Right. Exactly, exactly. That's the point. People get it. Twisted people, people do get it twisted. And because there's very little, there's very little discernment, there's very little nuance when it comes to this conversation, right? Unfortunately, I think, but I think that the point is that, you know, like I, as a Orthodox Jew that loves Israel, have lived, I've lived there for a year and a half.

1:25:06 I've visited over over 1520 times in my life. You know, like I love the place. I'm going back in a month, you know, like I love the place. You know, I have one perspective as someone that's on the inside and then there's someone on the outside, right Has does not have my. Objective never been, by the way, correct. Does not know, and he's only observed right? Because you can only sometimes. But no one should not, you should not talk about Israel if you've never. Been so here's my argument against that. Sometimes you need to. Sometimes when you're in the inside, you can't see things the way that someone. Else because you're biased, let's say. Not even biased, let's say this right your own life.

1:25:47 How many times did you give your friends advice that it's harder for you to follow than it is to give your friends advice? All the time. Because it's not your life, right? It's not you. Oh, you show a. Lot of place exactly. So there's and there are a lot of times where you rightfully can say, hey, man, I understand what you're saying, but you're not living my life. You're not considering all the aspects that are important, right. And then there are times where like your friends, even though he may not realize it is actually right, it's actually right. And you're like, even though you don't have a quote, UN quote right to say that. That's a good point. And like, I'd be an idiot if I didn't listen to you too, you know? So I think that what I'm trying to say is that there's a value to both. It doesn't mean that everything that either side says is 100% correct.

1:26:30 But I think that there's always a little bit of value to being on the inside. And there's a lot of, and there's a little bit of value to being on the outside. And then the people should collaborate, right? You should say, like, you know, my mom will tell me, my wife will tell me when I'm working too hard. I'm beating myself up and I'm getting sick. And they're like, stop, you have to rest. They're not in my head about why I'm working hard. They're not. They don't know what the anxiety I feel about paying a mortgage and for my consideration and paying for bills. They don't know what that's like. But that doesn't mean that they're wrong either. You know, it's always say, oh, wait a minute. They're seeing it from another point of view. Correct. So, so, so even though, yeah, so I can't see it from their shoes and they can't see it from my shoes. But there is one like objective path where everything does line up. And that is, I'm working too hard. I need to take a break.

1:27:15 You know, there is one path between a patriot that, that, that, that goes to the army and dedicates their life to the service and lays their life on the line for the country. And then the person that goes to university, that loves their country, that never live their life on the line but says, like, we, I think in the value of the true American spirit, we could do better. And we, you know, we, we, you know, we want American values or better values than this. And they're both looking at it from, again, from the inside and from the outside, right? But they could both have. That I think where they have that exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I get. I get what you mean. So I think that, you know, that's, that's a long wind, that's a long winded way. But I think that that I think that that point is really important. I don't think we have enough of that. I think because it's hard. It's really unpleasant.

1:27:56 It's really difficult. Yeah, it's uncomfortable and it's hard, you know, especially like even with that personal thing with my, you know, where I'm working too hard, where I'll call my mom and my mom will hear my voice when I speak to her for a minute. If I answer the phone, I can say hello, like it's a long day, huh? And then, you know, there's times where I say hello, just think, oh, with that, you know, tell me what you tell me what you've done. Like, so you can just tell from that one word, you know, like what, what things are like, you know, but, but she's still on the outside. And so I, I give a lot of so, so a lot of times I have to force myself to like listen and say, sometimes when you're caught up in something, it's hard to see things clearly and let someone else from the outside come. In and tell. You what? It's like, Yeah, dude, I had some of the most painful and difficult moments, but the most valuable moments in my life came from where I had to force myself to make a decision from the outside perspective and not from the yeah, you have to. Would you break up with someone if it's in a bad relationship or do you have a job that you don't like? Or if you're if those logical decisions, these things, Yeah, where you can logicize just.

1:28:55 Because if you use your emotions and you'll get stuck in it because your emotions will leave you in that. Oh, I this. Oh, but I missed that person. Oh, but I, you know, yeah. You need to step outside right? Then you step. Outside and you think logically. What would I tell, what would I tell my friend if I, if I was sitting across from you and you said to me, hey, I have this situation with my job, with my girlfriend, with my kids, and then I'll give you advice. Am I following that advice that I'll give you the answer's no. You got to be like what not man, what's going on? Are you are you not being honest with yourself? You know, that's really where the. And that's why it's like, you know, being a trainer, it's, it's important to, you know, practice. How many people do you train? How many people do you train at a time?

1:29:36 At a time 1 ideally, sometimes 3 or 4 depending if the group session. I used to do the big group sessions in a gym called Fight Club, like the movie Fight Club back in in 20/20/19 before COVID hit. That's where the gym where I was at. Yeah, this Fight Club gym. It was so cool. What was the Lexing gym? Yeah, it was the old, like Raggedy, you know what I mean? Like like warehouse. What's? So cool. Yeah, with a big boxing ring in the middle. You know, you know, to throw a punch. Can you throw a punch? Yeah. Yeah, I could do my combinations. I would do boxing classes and everything. It was we had like 80 punching bags, heavy bags and I and I would be the one teaching the class with like a microphone and everything. Throw it. All right, 1236, you know, different combination.

1:30:17 Have you got a fight before? I know I haven't like, fought, fought like. Have you gotten punched in the face before? But I have gotten punched in the face. I've punched in the face, so I. Like, can you tell me about either one of them? It was like getting punched. It was like punching someone in the face, getting. Punched. It was a big, you know, fight that broke out. Everybody started swinging and of course you got to participate. You jump in and and when someone hits you, do you feel it hit you in your cheek? It hit you in your ear? In your. Cheek stomach, because they just started it started happening really just and then you just start fighting back and next thing you know you. Feel anything or is the no you? Don't feel it. First couple blows. No, the first one you do feel, but after that first, that's it. That's it. Because you just turn into a gorilla, really. All one time I tell people I do regret one moment that it was in South Beach and I had a girlfriend at the time and she decided to to ask some guy, oh, can you take a picture of me? The guy's like what?

1:31:14 I look like a photographer. So then she was the type that wasn't the best for me, obviously. And she was a bad influence. And she's like, oh, this guy. Like she hyped the situation worse than it was. OK, Can you believe this guy? He said, oh, I'm not a photographer. This. And then they, like, he insulted me. Like he just said, hey, I'm not taking the picture, you know, whatever, you know? Yeah. So I go, you know. Go away, you got all fired up. And then he's like when he throws a glass of water on the girl's face and then I go and start punching. No way. No. Kids drops, I run out. They got bouncers chasing me.

1:31:54 What is it? What does it take when you, when you're throwing that first punch? Is your mind blank? Are you thinking? No, I knew. Exactly what I was doing and I was aiming exactly really, because I was pissed at the time, but because, you know, people can get you into the wrong space when you're young and you're tend to be in these relationships and girls tend to do that when you're in here in 19/20/21, you know, seriously, they, they just see, oh, let me see how tough he, how much he'll fight for me. You know what I mean? It's that, you know, whatever. Wow. So I think I, and I fell for it and I ended up, you know, but it could have been, it could ended up worse, could ended up getting arrested. It could ended up, you know, hurting that kid really bad, you know, who knows, You know, did. It hurt your hand to punch him. No, I didn't feel anything later.

1:32:35 I just. Really I. Don't know. I had bouncers chasing me and then the bouncers I'm after I ^2 up to one of the bouncers after. I ran like 10 blocks in South Beach and then one guy was in the parking lot that. Far I feel like they just give up and like. Because the so that's what I'm like, why are you still chasing me? And then a guy in the parking lot's like, he can't touch you. He's just a bouncer. He started recording. And then I'm like, why are you saying he's like, because the guy that you punch, he's unconscious and we're going to have to answer to the police when they get there. No like what? The fuck just happened? Wow. So I'm running. I don't have my stuff. I don't have anything. The people that I was with left and stayed in the club. I remembered where I parked the car and I ran to the to the parking garage and I literally waited by the car.

1:33:17 And then eventually the people I was with went to the car and I was able to get in the car. Wow. But just crazy stuff that was through the gap of those seven years of the crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's one of those moments, Yeah. Yeah, I've never had that, dude. I've never had anything like that, you know? I do have. I got stabbed one time in the back of my hamstring. What? Yeah, when I was in the Navy, in a bar fight, actually. What not stabbed? Yes, yes. But that, that was stupid. It wasn't even my fight. Again, I go in, everybody starts swinging. You're in a bar. You're in a bar in the Navy. In Florida, somebody. Somebody's gets up, one of the cups falls on the floor and then I hear it and I'm like, oh, something's about to go down over there when I see it's one of my buddies.

1:34:00 He's one of my, we have like different brack mates in the Navy. There's four people inside of the the room that you share and then you have two people per rack. So he's one of the the people that share their rack in the same room. And I see him and he's going going back and forth with some. So we're the we're the Navy guys. We called normal people civilians. Yeah. He's going back and forth to the civilian normal that would have caused. It happened a lot. Yeah. It all happens all the time. And then next thing you know, they start swinging. And then I go over there and then I start going. And it turned out that those guys were involved with like some like, you know, gang or whatever, and some guy came out with a knife and stabbed the get out of here right there. The scar. I still have light. I'll show you.

1:34:42 I literally have a literally a freaking scar in my hamstring. What was your reaction? What? Happened even when my reaction I I felt something go in but it was in and out quick. It was. Oh, he pulled in and pulled out. Yes, but it wasn't even with a knife, it was with a with a beer Bob because he started. With the beer. Yeah, because he started, he grabbed the beer, Bob. He broke it. Oh, and then he went under with the, with the, you know, when you break up, you know, under with the, with the. Holy crap. And then pop that not only did I that you got the whole leg was bleeding the next day the the command found out. So when the command finds out, then you go Captain's mask, the whole thing.

1:35:23 You got to go in front of the the whole thing, explain what happened, and I even got in trouble. You got in trouble. Yeah, because when they find out what happens off base, then they realize, you know, hey, we're going to do something about it and they punish you. So you get, you know, kind of slap on the wrist, but you get a half month's pay times 2 and it just goes downhill from there. What is it? Half month's pay. Yeah, you they take away your pay really for like 2 months. They just not, not your full pay. So half of it. So let's say you make 3 grand a month, they pay you 1500 for two months. That's terrible. Your punishment. That's terrible. But how you know how you going to live on that? You're living on. I mean, you live on base. Oh, you live on base, you know.

1:36:04 I mean, you go to, you go to the cafeteria, which is called the galley, you know? Wow, you think you think everyone should do the army? I think. Every man should do the army. Like you, like you said, not everybody needs it. There's a lot of people that don't, that didn't go to it, that are patriotic, that are smart, that have little lot, but there's there's a lot that don't. So what I'm saying with everybody should go is that since you can't pick out the ones that already don't, they already do, you might as well just make everybody. Yeah, just you know what I mean. The other thing I. Think would also be great is, you know, Israel. Maybe not make it 4 years, but make it 2. Yeah, or like Shiro, me, you know that is. What is that? Shiro me is is what a lot of Israelis do instead of Army Service, where it's community service.

1:36:49 So it's teaching, it's working in orphanages, orphanages, it's working, you know, it's working with students that are that, that, that are that are that are new to the country and teaching them the language and what you. I think what I think one of the part of the argument is that when you just go from like high school to college and you don't really and you go to your 22 years old without any kind of real experience with what how the world actually works. It's not in your best benefit, no. And even if you took a year or two in between that, those two points in between 18 and 23 or 22 and you took and you took a year and you worked and you spent the year in Indiana or Denver or Michigan.

1:37:34 Right, right. Just, you know. Florida, yeah. And you're, and you're doing community service, you're getting paid and you're getting, you know, credits you're getting whatever it is. You're either getting paid, you're getting credits, you're getting something for your degree, and you're learning about what it's like to be a teacher in the Bronx. You're learning what it's like to work in an orphanage in Ohio and see what it's like in these communities and that could really change peoples lives. For sure. All right, dude. Well, let's I think it was. Audible. Yeah, yeah, let's call him because I'm, I got to go home. Dude, it's so much fun having you here man. Hopefully we'll do this again. 6:30 in the morning I got to get up. Hopefully, yeah, hopefully we'll do this again. Maybe we'll do a Group A Group 1 next time.

1:38:14 Yeah, a little Group One actually. It'll be a lot of fun. All right, dude, thank you so much for doing this. I'll send you. I'll bring, I'll bring Jack and then maybe a guest, special guest. I'm excited, dude. OK, we'll talk man. Bye everyone.