#106: Mendy Isseroff

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together,

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Miss Congeniality.
Hey.

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Hi.
Thanks for coming, dude.

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Thanks for doing this, Mandy.
Yeah, we've been.

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I think we listened to that song
4 different times yesterday with

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four different artists.
Ike Cantino, Ike Cantina,

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Turner, Credence, and there's
another one, I think, but hey.

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Are you to cover this is like.
I am on.

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I love her.
Yeah.

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I love cover because it's fun.
There's a little twist.

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When you hear a song that you've
heard before and then you're

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like, oh, this is cool.
Like, yeah, I never thought

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about it.
Yeah.

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What are some what are some
covers that that are your

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favorite covers?
So I guess we're kind of

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starting me on the cover journey
was like Imagine Dragons did

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Blank Space OK by Taylor Swift.
Cool.

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That's fun, yeah.
Actually, it's really good.

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It's really, really good.
And since then, any opportunity

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that I have, you're covered.
But it can't be that you just

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took the song and just sang it
in a different place like those

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covers.
I'm like, well, the first one

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was really gay.
That's why I listen to you.

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Come up with the reason you come
up with the reason to listen to

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to to the cover.
Yeah, the cover, right.

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For sure.
Yeah, yeah.

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It's it's doesn't fun to see
because I feel like when when a

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band covers another band, they
come it shows the musical roots,

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Yeah.
You know, And so like, it's cool

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to see when like someone covers
like Metallica will cover this

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like 60s all female pop band,
you know, just around, you know,

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like like what?
Like like cool.

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Like I love it.
Like it's fun.

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I don't know.
This guy Mig Locky on YouTube.

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I don't know if I'm always
mentioned names.

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So no, sure, of course, yeah.
And so he does, yeah, people

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will send him requests.
But he does like covers of

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songs, but singing it as if he
was the band.

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So he'll get one song and
they're like, sing it as if it

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was, I don't know, Metallica.
Oh yeah, cool.

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As if it was just to move it
down or something.

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That's good.
He's great.

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Yeah.
It's really, really good.

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That sounds so funny.
Nothing so much fun.

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Yeah.
And then like the Grateful Dead

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were normally pretty much just
like they start with just the

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cover bands.
And when they when they first

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got a record deal, the record
company didn't want to give

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them.
The record company was like, you

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don't want to give them a deal.
They're like, we went to your

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concerts and you don't sing any
of your own songs.

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And they're like, yeah, but
like, we play our own way.

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Like, we play music going away.
Not too alike about it, you

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know?
And that's what they did.

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Yeah, I remember there's a few
bands and now like, it's funny

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that you say that.
I guess maybe that's like a

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thing that people do because
like there's a band called I

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Prevail, which I started
listening to on Spotify, but

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why?
I listen to them because of

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their covers, right?
But now I listen to their Apple

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songs, right?
And I'm like, oh, they got great

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vocals.
You know, the the the guitarist

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is very like, I like the bassy
drum that they have going on and

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you just kind of go into it.
Yeah.

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So I wonder if that's like an
approach?

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It is.
It's something I that's the way

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I got into the way for Ted to
begin with was that there was

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this.
So I was into Springsteen.

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I was a Springsteen nut for
years, years, years.

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I think I overdid a little bit
because I can't listen anymore.

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Bruce Springsteen, like, so I've
never, I've never got into his

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music.
Yeah, but I feel like everybody

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was like.
Yeah, there's very, there's,

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there's very few people that are
like in the middle about

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Springsteen.
You know, people either love him

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or they're like, ah, he's fine.
But so he has a song called

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Atlantic City and and the band
covers it and I was like, that's

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cool.
And then I came across a band

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called Joe Roos was almost dead,
which is a good, good with that

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cover band and and they were
covering Atlantic City too.

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And I was like, Oh, this is
cool.

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Like taking like a 5 minutes, a
4 minute song and they're

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jamming it out to, you know, 8-9
minutes.

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It's awesome.
And then I said I'm going and I

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was like, wait a minute, this is
great for that.

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This is great for that music.
It's so weird, man.

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Especially because like all the
all the cover art was always so

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weird and so like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, funky, you know, so
strange dude, I was like off

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putting on us.
So we so that's what so that's

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got me started on with that to
begin with.

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But so yeah, covers are fun and
I think they're I think they're

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really cool.
So yes.

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Nobody knows what song we're
even talking about to begin

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with.
Yeah, dude, right from people

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know my music, my students, my
students have like roll their

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eyes.
I try to show them like it's so

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funny because I teach them a
couple times.

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Like they're very religious
right wing school and these kids

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aren't doing homework.
They're not going home and

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reading The Great Gatsby, you
know, so like.

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So maybe under the covers
tonight I.

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Can ask them to but like I think
that.

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What do they can do on actually?
I'm curious.

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Just like kids sit like kids
that air like you out there on

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the phones, right?
But in imagine in an ultra

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orthodox school like they're
not.

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They're not right.
Amazing.

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So what are they doing?
What it's like.

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They're at school a lot.
If they're not reading and

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they're not on their phones,
they're at school a lot, yeah.

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They're at school a lot.
They're in school from like 8 to

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like 7-8 o'clock, maybe 8:30
every day, you know?

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Then they get home.
It usually takes half the time

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to get home to eat dinner and
they literally like probably

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hang out for an hour and go to
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Wow, they don't have a ton of
free time and I don't think

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there's. 30 you said sorry.
Yeah.

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Wow.
OK.

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Yeah, 7:30 between 7:30 and
8:30, depending on whether or

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not there's night seder or
learning at night.

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And it's, I think we do it on
purpose.

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I think that you, you provide a
lot of structure and there's not

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a lot of space for deviation.
And I actually think that

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there's something to be said for
that for sure.

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As long as within that structure
that you're in, there's enough

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room for them to like, have
their own fake time and self,

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you know, do.
They have electives and things

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like that.
Do you want Fridays OK.

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And the cut Listen, English
classes are not I have the all

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the creative, all the freedom I
want with my with my what do you

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syllabus, you know, whatever.
Yeah.

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So I think that the teachers
that they hire, they give

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opportunities to just teach
whatever the teacher's

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interested in.
Great.

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Yeah.
Which is probably, you know, I

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mean, out of all the things you
could learn, it's a great method

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to get a teacher to teach.
Well, it's like, hey man, just

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teach what you're interested in
and like, oh, like, yeah, I'll.

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Be I'll be generous like I'm
sure for population, it's true

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that like there are some people
who are very motivated.

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I grew up, I grew up ultra with
that.

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So for me, I had some really
amazing teachers like you're

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describing, but it but it was
not that norm.

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It was the exception, right?
It was like a teacher who taught

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us.
He was teaching, he was teaching

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another class.
He was teaching a grade above me

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and I was kicked out of class
because I was just not too.

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I was just I was bored.
So so he said go sit in his

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class because he couldn't keep
me in the hallway.

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They didn't want to keep me in
the hallway at that point.

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And I so I went to Sydney's
class and I was sitting in and

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I'm answering questions and I'm
like, engaged in a lesson.

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And he's like, who's this kid?
Like, so after class, he comes

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over to me and he like, you
know, he reaches out to my mom.

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And they stayed in touch with us
for years after that.

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Really.
Yeah.

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Because he was like, OK, well,
poor kid.

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Like, yeah.
He's what?

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Class is it?
What he.

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So it's like an English teacher
and a teacher, right?

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It wasn't like, yeah, yeah.
So he taught anything.

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Yeah.
I forgot about that.

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Yeah, we agreed with that then
that.

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Would that would be that was 6th
grade.

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Yeah, I was in 6th grade and I
went to the 7th grade class to

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sit in.
And then the next year my

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mother, I guess with his
suggestion and another family

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friend moved me to Yeshiba
Flatbush, like from it was I was

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in the Toshiba Ocean Parkway.
Cool.

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Yeah, hopefully I could see, but
the school didn't.

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It was, it was wild because they
were doing their best, but the

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school like, did not have a
budget.

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And they just kind of, they had
the building, but like there was

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no heating in the classrooms.
It was like holes in the yeah,

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yeah.
It was in the winter, you'd wear

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a coat like, you know, and there
were holes in the ceiling.

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It's like because there was no
like, you know, the ceilings

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have like tiles in them.
So there were just none.

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They took him out.
They fell at some point,

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whatever.
So it's just this skeleton of a

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building.
You're learning it.

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You know this.
Is a good school I went.

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I mean, they did their best, you
know?

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That's the perfect way of
putting it, like they did their

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best.
I hope they did their best man.

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I, I let's play like this.
How bad?

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How bad.
Kids are very independent.

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And there's a reason for it.
Like they come out of that

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system very, very independent.
Yeah.

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For better for worse, you know.
Yeah, what do you think of the

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system?
Of like Shabbat system.

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Wow.
So for that, I think as an

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organization does amazing work
for basically 90% of the Jewish

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world.
Like anybody who needs, you

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know, go, go to the middle of
nowhere, you'll find a Fabbat

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house.
Growing up within that

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framework, it was very
challenging for me.

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And I know for a lot of other
people in my generation, it was

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like we were the Vulture of a
generation.

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So all our parents found Fabbat
was doing a great job.

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You know, Manafa Mendel Arabi
was alive and he's had this huge

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influence on the world.
And a lot of people were drawn

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to Kabad because of that.
So then and then those people

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had kids and they didn't really
know what being religious meant,

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like growing up religious
because they didn't grow up

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religious.
But they had this idea that,

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like, their kids have to kind of
make up for all of the lost time

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that they had.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Your kids like an extension of
your life, and you want them to

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compensate for what you get a
chance to do.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yes, like live

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vicariously, right.
So, so they're like, well, I

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made this mistake.
I don't want my child to make

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this mistake.
And so a lot of times they

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tended to overcompensate in the
in the wrong direction.

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And so you have a lot of people
in my generation who ended up

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moving away.
Like, I think have a group, have

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an affinity for Judaism.
Don't not necessarily hold a

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grudge against Judaism, but just
moved away from.

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Yeah, that world.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Khabad, it's an organization.

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Great.
I mean, like anything that, you

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know, where we can have a
network of Jews that help other

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Jews and see things good around
the world in general.

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Yeah.
What's what's bad about that?

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You know, Yeah.
Well, philosophically, in terms

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of like.
Oh, it's a second Christianity.

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But like the, like the, like the
Messianic, like the.

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Messianic aspects of like
actually about like, like what

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it takes to what it takes to be
able to raise a generate, raise

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a generation of individual
leaders and just send them

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around the world has to come
from like some kind of

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educational or deep seated, you
know, roots.

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Yeah, it's a good question, so.
I, I create strong perspective

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Kabat Kabat Klan guys have men
and incredible personalities,

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incredible determination of
resilience in general.

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And I think that some of that, a
lot of that's natural, but I

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think a lot of it is education
like talk I feel like, right?

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There's like a lot of philosophy
that comes from the world of

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Hasidou it that I really connect
to like on a personal self

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growth kind of level where going
to go, you know, these concepts

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of like mind, mind and heart and
kind of like this dual humanity,

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which I don't know if they I
could say true or laugh.

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One of the Enlightenment,
honestly, like in terms of the

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philosophical like concepts that
we had.

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I mean, there's like a really
rich history of Jewish

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philosophy that that that like
the Hasidou it as a as a as it

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exists today.
But, and I'm not an expert on

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it, so I will get into it, but I
wrote like a few things I really

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connected to with this idea of
like the mind controls the heart

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and and you know, in case you do
it, it's kind of like this idea.

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They have all these stories,
right of like, you know, oh,

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this guy was being questioned
and he, you know, knew that he

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had to stay calm.
And so like he was able to keep

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his pulse low.
Just the, you know, like that

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kind of thing, but also this
idea that you have within you

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these tool doing like fighting
entities.

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One of them is the more highly
in the biological terms would be

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like the highly evolved parts of
your brain and the lizard brain,

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the more primitive aspects or
the instinct and the human

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aspects of who you are.
And that the goal in situ isn't

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to destroy the more primitive
aspects of of your of your

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identity, but to Co opt them
into serving God, right, right,

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right.
So, so maybe not in the serving

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God.
So if you're going.

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To have to eat anyway, you may
as well do it in a way that is

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more conscious, intentional,
elevated, right like, and you

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could eat anyway, but it's
better to be more.

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Yeah, or like the idea of like,
hey, if you're hungry before

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davening each like.
You know, like you're going to

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let you focus.
Yeah, exactly.

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If that's what's going to help
you serve God, then go do that.

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Like don't ignore, you know,
don't be like, I'm just not

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going to eat and I'm just going
to starve, you know, Like, yeah,

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like go eat and then go daven.
Like, what's wrong?

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But you know, makes sense.
So for me by I really like

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taking that and moving it into
like your own personal life

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where you have like, I don't
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aggression, sexual drive, all
these things, laziness, right?

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This is the worst deal, I mean.
But laziness is such a good

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evolutionary thing.
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Because it conserves energy.
Because you're.

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So yeah, did you know you have a
gene in your body during

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development that limits muscle
growth?

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That limits muscle growth,
limits muscle growth, OK, right.

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Why?
Why?

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Why would that be the case?
Because you.

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Don't need that much muscle
because you don't need that much

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muscle.
And what people that, that have

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mutations in this gene,
essentially what happens is

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they're born depending on the,
on the severity of the mutation,

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whether it's one or two copies
of their gene.

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They're born with enormous
muscle that they just the

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babies, babies are born with
muscles.

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Animals.
This is true for all mammals,

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like animals that are born with
this enormous muscles, right?

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But it's very wasteful, right?
Like it looks cool, but the most

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important thing like 1000 years
ago was energy conservation,

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right?
You needed to be as, as good as

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you need to be for your
environment, but no more.

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And that's true like now, right?
So your brain, that's how your

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brain's wired.
I'm gonna put it as much energy

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as I need to put in for like
what I need to do to survive,

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But then doing extra is like
almost it's bad.

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It would be bad.
It would be bad, right?

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You'd be wasting a ton of energy
and effort on on things that you

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guys have the energy to.
What you get sick?

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From that, your body breaks down
exactly.

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Exactly.
And you wouldn't have enough

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food for it, literally.
So undoing these like things,

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you know they were right.
Or let's say anxiety, right?

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That's like anxiety.
Definitely has a phenomenal of

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illusionary purpose, right?
Like development consciousness

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or like awareness?
I guess the cost.

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Of being wrong, you know, is up
here, right, Like that really

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high, right?
Yeah, yeah.

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The cost of being right is
marginal, right?

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Like sometimes it'll be good,
but it's never going to be so

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big.
But like, you're really wrong

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once you're dead.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So in that sense, anxiety is

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great.
But yeah, every, like everybody

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should have a little bit of
anxiety, yeah.

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Totally, totally.
It's a tool exists for a reason.

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If your family gets out of hand
or when it causes, you know,

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stomach flow, what do you call
it?

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Is that me talking?
The anxious?

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The anxious poops, You know,
that's a little bit less

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evolutionarily useful life.
And nobody.

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Is because then your body's like
hey, I don't know what's gonna

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happen in 10 minutes I gotta
poop right now right You know

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like I don't want to leave I
don't want to chasing me yeah

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yeah.
It's like, let's empty the

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system out, yeah.
Did you hear that?

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PWPS pre wedding poops pre
wedding poops yeah anytime you

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like get a little anxious you're
you know your fighter flight

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kicks in you're like all right
any doubt the system let's so

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interesting.
I don't.

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Know that that's cool.
So is this?

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Is this stuff you're studying
now?

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Is this?
So.

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So yeah.
It's good your education, your

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your education.
Hi, buddy.

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My name's Mendy.
We need to.

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Do that part, yeah.
I'm 30 years old.

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I moved here, I move.
I'm currently living in Israel

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and a whole, but I'm studying.
I'm doing a PhD now in cellular

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biochemistry.
Yeah, I have a master's in

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biochemistry and my
undergraduates in biomedical

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science.
But like, throughout my

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scientific career, which is
still in its infancy, I've been

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very interested in evolutionary
stuff.

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So how you can use evolution to
understand basically anything?

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And for me specifically, aging.
And so I'd like to look at aging

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in the lens of evolution, but
also.

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How do you do that?
What's an example of?

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Jeez, how do you do that?
So for example, if you want to

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understand like why animals die
at the age that they do, right?

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Like let's say throughout life,
wait, let's go back to your

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original question, because your
original question was, do you

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think that's a bad?
We'll get there.

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Do you think that's a bad does
something special to train their

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guys?
So I think what they're doing

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essentially is they're just
training to be disciplined,

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right?
Be disciplined.

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But that's one of the most
important.

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Things you can teach someone,
yeah.

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Be disciplined and be a not a
leader, but be a Yosem.

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Be a what is it called?
Wow.

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I thought leaders.
Yeah, that's what they do.

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It created.
Leaders, but it's.

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It's, I guess leadership is a
part of it.

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Yeah.
Being the ones you see like

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representatives Yosem is to be
Lizom is to what?

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No, it's like if you created a
startup or be entrepreneurial

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essentially.
OK.

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Got you.
Yeah.

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So like be.
Entrepreneurs go go be.

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Entrepreneurs go, you know, but
honestly, like, you're the guy

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you're seeing at the Hubbot
house.

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There were 100 people competing
for that spot, right.

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Yeah.
It's not like a trivial thing

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when they choose very carefully.
Yeah.

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Who they said where it's not.
It didn't happen by accident.

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Yeah.
The most charismatic, most

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intelligent, you know, guy ended
up in, in California, you know,

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like.
There's the guy in Wyoming

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really think.
About OK, who's the group of

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people that this guy needs to
appeal to, right?

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Yeah, and you can tell for sure
based on the community where

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you're going.
Like I, my grandmother lives in

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Aspen part of the year, you
know, and the and the show from

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there are very, very different
than something Binghamton, NY,

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you know.
I mean, it's it's a different.

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Language.
Right.

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Yeah.
Like it's Antonio that they that

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they had that part of their job
is to appeal to the crowd that

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they're that they're living in,
you know, and you always have to

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be at least publicly facing a
chameleon, you know, in that

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kind of sense, because you
you're trying to be relatable.

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You have to.
You the guys who are really,

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really like, you know, you have
different bad guys, you have

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your community of people who
come by and you guys speak a

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certain language with them and
then you got your, your like

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your less affiliated community.
You need your.

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Own family and you have.
Your ways you're.

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Trying to educate?
See.

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Exactly a different whole story
in in them.

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So I think they really they have
a large selection process.

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There are a lot of bodies also
just end up staying in coal and

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you know.
And learning in.

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The Crown Heights and they don't
end up going and doing all this.

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The, the people you end up
staying there in the Hubbat

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houses are really entrepreneurs
who probably could have, you

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know, opened up Fortune 500
companies or, you know, really,

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really big exits if they had
gotten other opportunities.

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But this is the opportunity they
were given.

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And I think it's fine, you know,
I feel.

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Like it's a better opportunity.
I feel like it's a better way to

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spend a life.
Yeah, I'll, I'll not get into

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the better or worse.
I think it's all the same,

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essentially, like, I mean, all
the same.

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So my own philosophy on this,
I'm going to get beyond

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recording now saying this.
Like for me, I'm a biologist.

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So it's, and I very much think
about things in like an

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evolutionary biology sense, you
know what an evolutionary

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biologist cares about.
Like when I look at nature,

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like, what's the marker for
success that an evolutionary

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biologist uses?
It's called fitness, OK Fitness

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is the ability for an Organism
to reproduce yes, that's the

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only marker essentially for
success in nature, right?

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An Organism evolution.
Biologists are not shy about

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saying this, right?
And it becomes awkward when you

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talk about let's say human
reproductive diseases.

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And then it's a hard topic to
talk about, Right.

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But from a, from an objective
biological perspective, like,

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you know, if you, if an Organism
cannot reproduce, then that

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Organism is useless to
evolution.

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Yeah.
It's not.

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What are you gonna do with this
thing now?

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Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It doesn't matter how strong it

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is, how good looking it is, how,
you know, people have a very

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interesting and very sad
diseases of, of, of chromosomes,

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where like X&Y chromosomes will
get mixed up.

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And then there'll be these
beautiful models like, you know,

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tall, like really, really
beautiful looking people,

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intelligent, funny, like there's
nothing wrong with them as a

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human.
They're beautiful human, but

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they cannot be produced.
They cannot have kids.

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And so like discussions and it's
like a hard topic to talk about

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because this, this, you know, we
as humans don't want to think of

453
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ourselves as just like
reproducing, like animals.

454
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,040
Yeah.
We have greater meaning and

455
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,240
purpose to our lives.
And we like to ascribe that to,

456
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,720
to ourselves, like we found
other reasons to live.

457
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,280
Yeah.
From a biological perspective.

458
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,560
Well.
Can you even say though, that

459
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:43,640
one lifestyle would be more,
would be more likely to create

460
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,160
the environment that
reproduction occurs as opposed

461
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,480
to other?
Meaning you could say that part

462
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,800
of what drives, let's say part
of the goal of religion,

463
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,920
hypothetically being is to
continue driving life and

464
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,800
reproduction, right.
And so the entire, all the

465
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,720
communities are evolved around
that.

466
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,440
And so by entering that kind of
world, you're objectively

467
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,320
entering that kind of, you know,
biologic, biological world where

468
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,520
you are giving yourself the
belt.

469
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,720
Yeah.
The best chance to succeed.

470
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,560
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

471
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,840
So, so I definitely just see it
as strategies, right.

472
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,400
And I think this one can also
inform how you approach

473
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,720
different cultures, different
ideas, right?

474
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,440
Like at the end of the day,
there's no better and worse

475
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,840
necessarily.
There's what works.

476
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,200
And I think, let's say this can
also be an argument for why, you

477
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,680
know, ethics and morals can
exist outside the framework of a

478
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,000
strictly religious framework,
right?

479
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,320
Right.
Where it doesn't like it can

480
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,680
also be true that God told you
these things and that they're

481
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,680
true because there's a higher
power that believes them to be

482
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,320
true and and wants you to do
those things.

483
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,240
But it can also be true that
just some of these strategies

484
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,280
are very destructive and just
like ultimately lead to the

485
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,600
downfall of the civilization
that that holds these

486
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,120
strategies.
Yeah, right.

487
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:56,200
And and that like don't murder
is is true because like, then if

488
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,160
everybody's just murdering, like
you can see it in nature, why

489
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,760
don't bears, what is the most
dominant bear just won't kill

490
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,240
all the other bears, you know,
like, right, Because it's just

491
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,800
not good for the species.
Like it's a it's a bad strategy

492
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,640
and it's.
And it's we're good and we do it

493
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,960
if it.
Were good for the species, then

494
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,040
it would go.
Ahead and do it it would.

495
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,720
Do it.
But there's but again, that's a

496
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,360
universal truth that it would
never be good, right, right.

497
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,760
For the species to for, for that
individual to go and kill all

498
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,000
those things.
And it let's say he had some

499
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,080
weird freaking nature that did
that and killed all the bears,

500
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,760
right.
And then his kids are also going

501
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,880
to go and kill all the bears,
right.

502
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,320
And then what's going to happen?
No more bears, You know, like,

503
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,240
so, so in that sense, like these
are kind of self, self enforcing

504
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:35,960
rules that.
Yeah.

505
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,520
That's our figure, but we.
Can also pick up on them and say

506
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,200
hey like they might be divine
right in the in the sense that

507
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,320
they are part of the fabric of
what reality.

508
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,720
Is of life.
Yes, correct.

509
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,000
That's, that's what I believe,
yeah.

510
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,760
That's what I believe.
I believe that oneness, you

511
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,760
know, when you say like God is
1, you know, Shema, you know, I

512
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,480
think that big as a big
component of that is that

513
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,320
oneness is the
interconnectedness of like

514
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,480
reality, you know, and, and the
value and the values that and

515
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,640
and and critical values are
emergent of that, of that

516
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,000
oneness, you know, and then and
then our and it was something

517
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,760
that like religion supposed to
be the evolution of

518
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,960
consciousness.
I believe that like it's like,

519
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,480
you know, like there's evolution
and physical evolution.

520
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,040
There's also, and that's why I,
you know, think one religion is

521
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,080
necessarily more right than
another all the time by any

522
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,520
means.
But I think that the goal of it

523
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,800
is to say, like you said, we
have like, yeah, like, you know,

524
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,200
the Chabad philosophy would be
at least Do you have this kind

525
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,640
of primal Dr. Shabami?
Right.

526
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,000
Exactly.
And then you have your.

527
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000
Soul.
And then you have, you know, and

528
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,560
and then you have, well, does it
need to be done this way?

529
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,880
And now that we live in XY and Z
world, does this apply the same

530
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,600
way?
Right, like we say, but anxiety,

531
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,480
right?
Like, yes, it was an incredible

532
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,360
evolutionary tool, applying it
in the case where you're walking

533
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,040
on the street and you don't want
to ask cashier how to get to,

534
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,640
you know, in the supermarket how
to get to where you're going for

535
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,600
a meal.
You know it's not a very useful

536
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,600
function, you know.
So that's I found super

537
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,000
interesting when you think about
like attract people who are

538
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520
attractive, OK.
And how that like relates.

539
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,960
So in almost every Western
country today, No, Yeah, almost

540
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,960
every Western country, let's say
Israel is an exception.

541
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,000
There are rare countries that
have an exception to this.

542
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,280
The reproductive rate is of
below 2 meaning per woman.

543
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280
So if you take all the women
that exist in that country that

544
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,520
are upgrading age of the above,
the age of 18, five.

545
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,720
Breeding age.
I'm sorry, breeding age.

546
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760
I'm in the age of 18 and can't
have 20. 100 Prime reading age

547
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,760
of breeding age.
No, This is why I actually get

548
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,440
themselves in trouble, because
he, like I'm trying to describe

549
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,360
the answer.
No, I don't mean it bad I I

550
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,080
don't.
Think, I don't think anyone

551
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,480
would think that.
Like, yeah, it's pretty clear at

552
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,480
least at least from who I'm
sitting.

553
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,720
It's something that.
No, because you know what also

554
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,560
of breeding gates can be like 12
like yeah, it's not what I mean

555
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,400
probably some of the
statisticians who are doing this

556
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,600
also are looking at.
But anyways, you take these

557
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,520
women and you look at how many
kids has each woman had and they

558
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,000
like for most countries of the
women who could eventually have

559
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,840
kids, like it's below 2, right?
So each woman on average is

560
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,760
having less than two kids.
That means it's less than

561
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,160
replacement because it takes a
another human to make that kid.

562
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,480
So in most countries, like the
population is ageing, right, I

563
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,600
think.
Japan's having that problem,

564
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,920
right inverse.
What Japan's having.

565
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,400
That problem I think almost.
Every Western country today has

566
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400
that problem where you have an
inverse pyramid where like

567
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,920
there's a lot of on the top of
the pyramid, there's a lot of

568
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,000
old people.
And then as you go down, it kind

569
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,360
of tapers off.
And then you have very few young

570
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,880
people, right?
There's a lot of, like,

571
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,200
demographic issues with, like,
issues within and.

572
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,280
Right, like economic issues.
Yeah.

573
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,360
But one of them that I thought
is one of the things that I

574
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,400
think might be contributing,
which I find super interesting,

575
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:04,920
is this, how much weight we put
on how attractive people are

576
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,280
today, right?
Like, you can make money being

577
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,720
attractive, right?
You can now the original purpose

578
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,560
of being attractive is it's a
it's a form of what's called

579
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,560
sexual selection.
And I might be saying something

580
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,720
controversial and there's
somebody who knows about sexual

581
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,640
selection is going to be very
upset.

582
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,320
But essentially because these
fields are also very.

583
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,240
Competitive, it's good.
They they, they like you have

584
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,000
these conversations and you talk
about things.

585
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,520
The ideas aren't fully, you
know, like in stone, but you can

586
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,080
think of evolution as being
divided into within the species,

587
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,640
within the individuals of the
species and then out and then

588
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,160
the with like for the
individuals out.

589
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,440
So a tiger hunting a person
would be natural selection and

590
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,040
then two people competing for
the same woman would be sexual

591
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,560
selection, right?
And then the parameters are

592
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,200
different, right?
Because in some senses, like the

593
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,520
natural selection is much more
of an objective marker and

594
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,400
sexual selection can be very
subjective, right?

595
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Like, peacock's feathers are an
example attraction, right?

596
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:15,480
It's all the sexual selection
stuff is supposed to be costly.

597
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Like, it's supposed to indicate
to whoever's looking at you that

598
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,760
this person has good genes or is
good metabolism or is getting

599
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,880
good food or whatever, you know,
like, or, you know, has a good

600
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,840
family, whatever.
You know, if somebody grows up

601
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,640
and they don't have scars and,
you know, they're like, then

602
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,680
you're like, oh, OK.
Like, they probably went through

603
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,320
a pretty good childhood.
You know, I feel like we have.

604
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,920
That socially too, right, like
we have social indications that

605
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,280
like of someone that'd be quote
UN quote fitting, you know, for

606
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,440
that's what confidence is,
right.

607
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
When people say confidence is a
really attractive trait, sure.

608
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,720
You know, it's like, I'm sure
that applies the same way

609
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,080
anything.
That would, that is, no, there's

610
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,360
not objective right confidence.
Nature doesn't care how

611
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,560
confident you are.
You know, like tigers don't care

612
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,920
how confident you are, but
another person would.

613
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,640
Like I was also.
Confident, obviously.

614
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,200
That confidence serves a purpose
in terms of sexual selection

615
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,800
that you know, they would say
that you are, that you are.

616
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,120
I don't use the word confident
again, but sure of yourself.

617
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,440
Sure.
Sure of your ability.

618
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,960
About you and to handle the.
Future and to handle the future

619
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,880
and to handle potential
conflicts and and that you will

620
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,360
be a a source of stability.
Yeah, you know that people,

621
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,680
That's what people want.
Exactly.

622
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,600
Exactly so in that same that's
you're exactly right.

623
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,760
You so you understand the
concept.

624
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,560
Yeah, yeah, perfect.
So in that sense, being

625
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,200
attractive is also a very is a
is a form that, you know, we

626
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,560
easily look at somebody will be
like, oh, that one looks

627
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,280
attractive.
You know, probably be a good

628
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,000
mom, you know, probably a good
dad.

629
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,200
It might be true.
I mean, not true, but that's how

630
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,120
we do it.
And then you have people now,

631
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,120
so, so people who are attractive
reproduced, right?

632
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,840
Like, or generally like had
some, some benefit to

633
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200
reproduction, right?
And, and, but it's become, it's

634
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,160
come to the point now where like
people are so attractive and

635
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,080
there's so much value on being
attractive that they don't want

636
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,800
to have babies.
And people like, you know, like

637
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,880
there's people who are like, I
don't want to have kids anymore

638
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,080
because I don't want to ruin my
body or I don't want to ruin my

639
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,760
looks.
And then it's like, well, the

640
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,800
only reason you got here, the
only reason you're pretty today

641
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,040
is because for 100,000 years,
you know, people thought your

642
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,720
ancestors are attractive and
that's why you exist.

643
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,640
But it's gotten to the point
where it's like, oh, it's

644
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,240
invert.
It's it's reverted, you know.

645
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480
So what's the content like?
What?

646
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,520
Follow this down the line.
What happens?

647
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Yeah, it's.
A good question.

648
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,440
So I mean, attractive people are
still having kids, right?

649
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,360
But but it's just an so I don't
know what the implications of it

650
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,600
would be necessarily.
You could maybe somebody who's a

651
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,560
little younger than me in their
scientific group might be

652
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,000
saying, well, in a in 100 years,
you're not going to be any more

653
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,120
attractive people anymore.
It's it's hard to say what the

654
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360
implications are because these
systems are so complex.

655
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,360
Or do you think it's going to be
like a choice, I guess like what

656
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,800
do you think of like gene
modification?

657
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,640
Yeah, wow.
So like I'm personally aiming

658
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,800
towards the future where like we
have complete autonomy over our

659
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,720
evolutionary faith.
Like that's my goal.

660
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,360
Like that's on a personal level.
And this stems from a desire to

661
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,240
like live very long.
And so if you live very long,

662
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,200
you have to be able to adapt to
an environment classically.

663
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,600
And this comes back to your
discussion about your what you

664
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,360
mentioned before about
societies.

665
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080
So there's what we call emerging
properties.

666
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,240
I'll come back to the question,
I promise.

667
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,640
OK, it ties in.
So there's like these emerging

668
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,760
systems, right?
So societies, let's say, are a

669
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,960
kind of evolutionary being right
there, Unit of selection, you

670
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,840
can call it.
Now classically, evolution works

671
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,360
on the reproduction.
So natural selection works on a

672
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,320
unit of selection.
You're a unit of selection.

673
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,040
Every living Organism is a unit
of selection.

674
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960
And then based on your traits,
you either survive and reproduce

675
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,040
or die, right?
And then don't reproduce and

676
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,760
then over time, like
statistically, you pick the most

677
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
adapted.
So the same is true for

678
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,400
societies, right?
Like societies live and die

679
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,640
based on their environment and
right.

680
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800
And we each individual is like
kind of like the cell, you know,

681
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,800
in a body.
So we all contribute in our own

682
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,680
unique ways to societies.
But societies don't reproduce,

683
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,800
right?
Like they don't, they persist

684
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,280
like the measure.
Well, they.

685
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,840
Persist through production, I
guess.

686
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Part of the two stories, two
ideas, but it's.

687
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,360
Persistence of a concept and not
necessarily like iterative.

688
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,120
It's not an iterative process.
Yes, yes.

689
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Yes, so.
So in that sense, societies are

690
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,200
kind of like the next
evolutionary step or a different

691
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,920
approach to evolution, right?
Where up until now the name of

692
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,440
the game was reproduction and
adjustment.

693
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,480
But these societies have found
like this concept, right?

694
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,640
Have found a way to evolve
without ever reproducing, right?

695
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,400
Just kind of like persisting and
changing, you say society

696
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,640
you're.
Talking about like a country

697
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,159
like America.
Are you talking about like a

698
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,600
country like Israel, right.
So it's it's.

699
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,960
It's hard to pin down, but I
would say like an idea or are

700
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,400
you talking about?
Religions like, you know, like,

701
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,679
'cause it can.
Be a religion, for example, it

702
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,360
can be right now nationalism,
right?

703
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,800
So the United States it could
be.

704
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Planetaryism.
Actually, it could be that

705
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,800
planet Earth.
It's like society, you know?

706
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,800
Exactly.
So it's just this ideas that

707
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,679
exist that more than one person
believes in, or even just one

708
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,719
person believes in, right?
And they compete for space in

709
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,159
your brain, right?
They compete for you.

710
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,320
You're the resource.
And you're also like, you're the

711
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,800
tool that perpetuates, right?
And and so that like, yeah, I

712
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,080
see societies what it it's just
so you're going to lose.

713
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,400
An individual over time.
I mean, your cells don't know,

714
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,400
you know, like their cells are
not an individual, right?

715
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,199
They all contribute to the
greater good, which is you,

716
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,520
which is you existing.
And each individual cell would

717
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,680
never be able to achieve what?
A full human.

718
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,760
Yeah, but each.
Individual cell is a conscious

719
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600
as far as we know by the.
Way.

720
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,000
And my head just almost exploded
as those words came out of my

721
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,720
house because I'm like, what if
they are?

722
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,880
Like, what is everything?
Yeah.

723
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,760
You want to go.
Down that hole, yeah, look up,

724
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,760
look up at agency.
And like the whole that whole

725
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,640
concept didn't, it's not clear,
right?

726
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,960
There's no reason to assume that
it isn't.

727
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
I can show.
You a video of your white blood

728
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,600
cells moving through your body.
Yeah.

729
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:32,960
And you?
Want to you can tell me if

730
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,400
they're making decisions or not
right?

731
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,240
But to me, it looks like they're
right.

732
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,800
They're, I mean, and then you
can explain when they're moving

733
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000
on chemical gradients and
they're kind of like moving on

734
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,880
this predetermined path.
But then it's like, OK, let's.

735
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,360
Yeah, that's that's the
difference.

736
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,240
So are we.
You know, so that's a good

737
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,000
question.
Wow.

738
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,960
That's crazy.
I don't want to go down that

739
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,600
rabbit hole, but dude, reality
has already been like I feel

740
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,800
like so slippery the last like
couple of last year or two

741
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,080
anyway, yeah, that like I can't
like I can't go down more of

742
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,240
these ragged holes, man.
Everything is is too crazy for

743
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:10,920
me.
So in terms of.

744
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480
What I think about genetic
engineering, yeah.

745
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,120
And coming back to it.
So in that sense, if you have an

746
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,680
idea or let's say, a discrete
quantity of information that

747
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,640
persists over time and is able
to adjust itself dynamically to

748
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,520
its environment in the same way
that, let's say, Judaism has

749
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,520
persisted for thousands of
years.

750
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,120
And we see, you know, Ashkenazi
infrared Judaism and now

751
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,840
Zionistic Judaism and these
adaptations to to the

752
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,680
environment.
And so if, let's say, I'm really

753
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,160
interested in making people live
really long, like I, I want

754
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,400
people to live, you know, as
long as they want to live, give

755
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,680
them agency over the decision to
die, essentially.

756
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040
That's crazy.
Yeah.

757
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,080
Like it's very far.
I mean.

758
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,440
We.
Assume are you when you say to

759
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,080
live as long that what how is
quality of like including

760
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,720
quality of life Yeah means like
I'm gonna be 130 and just

761
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,600
walking around like I'm like I'm
70 yeah.

762
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,080
So you're asking like the
question.

763
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,720
First of all, if you did that,
that would be amazing, right?

764
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,080
There's.
Some 70.

765
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,200
Year olds who are really high
quality of life, Yeah.

766
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,440
So we have to even differentiate
further.

767
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,280
Like there are 70 year olds who
are, you know, really, really

768
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,080
high functioning, and then there
are 70 year olds who are

769
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,000
bedridden.
Yeah.

770
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,320
So that's.
Called in the field that's

771
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,400
called health span.
That's like or frailty, right?

772
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,520
You can call it that.
So frailty is a, is a, is a

773
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,800
index.
It's like a number that you can,

774
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,080
you can apply to any person who
lives now.

775
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,440
And it's based on some set of
parameters.

776
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,680
And, and so some people have
higher frailty.

777
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,320
It means they're closer to dying
essentially, or you're like less

778
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160
mobile, whatever.
There's a lot of different

779
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,320
things that could be.
And then low frailty is like

780
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,400
usually high functioning.
So you want to have somebody

781
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,200
ideally who, what they look like
is their frailty is very low and

782
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,200
then their lifespan is very
high, right?

783
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Like, so they, they stay healthy
over the, over a long period of

784
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,360
time.
And then eventually when they

785
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,600
decide they don't want to live
anymore or some rock falls out

786
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,960
of the sky, you know, they die.
But like, until that point,

787
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,680
they're fully functional.
They're cognitively functional.

788
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,560
Like they're, you know, part of
society and they're contributing

789
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,280
and they're don't.
Why would you?

790
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,120
Not want to check out at that
point, yeah.

791
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,160
I This is a conversation I had
with a lot of people.

792
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,720
A lot of.
People, I feel like the only

793
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,400
reason I'd ever want to check
out is if I'm just if my body

794
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,320
fails me and my mind fails me,
I'm like, well, there's

795
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,920
hopefully really being here
anymore like.

796
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:34,880
Yeah.
It's.

797
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120
I think you take a viewpoint
that I mostly hear from the

798
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,680
elderly, which is like, I want
to continue living.

799
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,080
I'm good.
Like my mind's good.

800
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,920
I want to go.
Yeah, but then young people kind

801
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,880
of are more idealistic or
romantic about it because they

802
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,320
don't have to live through the
reality of your body failing

803
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,360
around you.
And they're like, no, death is

804
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,480
good and people should die.
And I want to get old, I think.

805
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,600
That is good too.
I don't disagree right, so far

806
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,560
as anything is good and bad, but
like it serves a purpose.

807
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,160
It serves a purpose and right,
yeah.

808
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:13,760
I love are you elaborate on that
This is OK Yeah yeah, I

809
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,720
understand I it's good because
it helps to understand the way

810
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:17,840
you're thinking about this.
Yeah, cool.

811
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,720
Yeah, it's.
Like, very agnostic, I want to

812
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,400
say.
It's like there are times when

813
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,560
it can be good, thicker times
when it can be bad, you know,

814
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,720
kissing their parents.
So, you know, that's not a good

815
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,040
death.
But sometimes, like you meet

816
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,600
space, like, I don't know,
sometimes things need to change

817
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560
and it turns out what's the
natural part of, you know,

818
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,240
nature and life.
Evolution wouldn't happen

819
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,000
without death, I thought.
You could even look at it's

820
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:48,720
actually interesting because I
get even culturally, perhaps we

821
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,320
live in A at least in America,
in Western, in America, there's

822
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,840
a culture of people not wanting
to pass the mantle down, whether

823
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,920
that's in politics, whether
that's entertainment, whether

824
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,080
that's movies like the top movie
stars when it was also like.

825
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,360
The same movie stars from the
night from the early 2000s or

826
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,040
even the 90s or 80s are, are are
are are the people that are

827
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,160
dominating the screens today and
they don't want to pass the

828
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640
mantle down to an actor at 17 or
19 years old.

829
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,920
And somehow they.
Look the same.

830
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,640
Yeah, yeah.
They trying to give a name.

831
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,800
You have to find out for the
purpose of research, dude.

832
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,200
And then like music too, you
know, like and and you have

833
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,400
bands like Springsteen and you
know, and the freaking Rolling

834
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,440
Stones, you know, like dude,
what what are you doing still?

835
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:41,440
You know, it's like, it's crazy,
but I feel like.

836
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,320
That.
Also prevents innovation that

837
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,200
also holds back creativity, that
also holds back, you know, new.

838
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,880
Like what made these people
great to begin with was that

839
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,880
they were the explosive voices
of the new generation and now

840
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,600
they're not letting that go.
And that's probably about one of

841
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,560
the benefits of death, you know,
for.

842
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,800
Sure.
Like, I mean, people classically

843
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,600
want to talk about age, you
know, longevity research, like,

844
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,840
OK, but they're dictators.
Like, they're going to live

845
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,480
forever.
Yeah.

846
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,520
That's, you know, the only thing
we have gone is that they'll

847
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,800
actually get old and die.
Yeah.

848
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Yeah.
Yeah.

849
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,600
And I think these are unsolved
problems.

850
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,160
I agree.
Like I think society is not

851
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,360
built for people to live this
long.

852
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,680
Forget, forget.
Like at the most basic boring

853
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,000
level, you know, how do you do
retirement when if everybody

854
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,120
lives to 200 years old?
Well, people aren't.

855
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,280
Going to want to retire.
But how do you do it right now

856
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,120
it's 6570 because as you know,
they're going to get 20%.

857
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,560
It is 570, right?
Maybe.

858
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,120
But then what happens on the IT
keeps moving, right?

859
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,760
Like there's this, there's this
idea in the field of what's

860
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,520
called escape velocity.
So, so this idea that in the

861
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,960
same way that you had computers
that were exponentially like

862
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,080
growing with power.
And at this point you have a

863
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,800
supercomputer in your pocket
that can like access all the

864
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,680
information in the, you know, in
the impact on you.

865
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,560
So technology for extending
longevity will extend lifespan

866
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,080
for people enough for them to be
alive when the next technology

867
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,800
comes around to extend longevity
even further.

868
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,320
Right, Right.
Right.

869
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,080
And then they're just always on
the next thing.

870
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,480
And yeah.
That's.

871
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,880
Actually, you have people who
are fixed.

872
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,680
Offer updates you just.
Never die.

873
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,480
You like you just, you just
catch the next wave and you keep

874
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,920
going.
And so the argument was made, I

875
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,360
think.
That that's like ideas like when

876
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,320
Judy's talks about like Olamava
or like, you know, with like we

877
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,320
were not dying, stuff like that.
But you mean, like, that could

878
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,280
be a physical manifestation of,
you know, the evolution man.

879
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,680
Yeah.
They said like right, These like

880
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,280
different approaches to I like
to think.

881
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,120
About these kind of philosophy.
You know, I mean, like people

882
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,040
make that argument about the
existence of the state of Israel

883
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,440
today, how we're making the
reality of the of the, you know,

884
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,040
Niveen, like we're making it a
reality.

885
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,800
We're not going to wait.
Yeah.

886
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,320
We're not going to wait for the
prophets for some guy to fall

887
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,560
out of the sky and bring a
building with him and drop it

888
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,080
on, you know.
So World War Three, we're going

889
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,600
to come in, we'll create the
reality one step at a time, and

890
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,240
eventually we'll be there so we
can look back and say, well,

891
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,600
this is what happened.
Yeah.

892
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,760
That's interesting.
I don't.

893
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,800
See a way around it?
I see a world in 200 years where

894
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,400
these technologies, unless like,
I don't know, it becomes like a

895
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,720
nuclear weapons threat, Like
countries closely guard the

896
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,920
secrets and don't want them out
in the world.

897
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,120
But.
The theoretical basis for

898
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:32,880
extending lifespan indefinitely.
Indefinitely.

899
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
That's I don't know.
Infinitely, it's very long if I

900
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,400
also people would still die,
right, But the theoretical basis

901
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,560
for it, it just feels really
close, like and then once you

902
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,240
have the theoretical like what's
killing people?

903
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,520
Like why are you dying from age?
What's aging once you have that

904
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,840
down, right?
That's usually the biggest

905
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,680
challenge, right, for figuring
this stuff out.

906
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,480
Once you have that down, you
just start QA, you know, just

907
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,840
start testing like different
interventions.

908
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,600
And because we're developing all
these tools kind of like

909
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,840
simultaneously, so you have like
genetic engineering, you know,

910
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:15,640
protein design, you know, like
really advanced treatments for

911
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,840
different diseases of old age
that maybe aren't like cancer

912
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,240
and genital diseases, right?
So you have all these things

913
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,320
happening kind of concurrently.
And then if you can address

914
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,880
frailty and then you know, how
to cure cancer and you know, how

915
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,480
to prevent Alzheimer's, you
know, and heart disease, like

916
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,480
then you're suddenly on track
for people living to 300 or 400

917
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,200
without, you know, breaking a
sweat.

918
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,760
Like essentially that's.
Crazy, yeah.

919
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,080
It's a wild thought, but.
Yeah, yeah.

920
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,680
I don't know what my what the
world is going to be like for my

921
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,560
2 year old to be growing up in.
Sure.

922
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,200
I'm probably just like what you
grew up, it's a little bit

923
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,960
different.
I don't know like.

924
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,560
You know, like.
No, okay, I'm sorry.

925
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,240
As I see movies pepeeve in mind,
I'll see a movie and they

926
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,000
sometimes movies will build a
premise and the premise will be

927
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,680
everything is the same except
this one thing.

928
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,840
You know like Black Mary won't
do that.

929
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,000
OK, The world is exactly the
same except for this, Yeah.

930
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,640
Except for this.
Crazy VR technology.

931
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,920
And it's like, that's not how
tech works.

932
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,720
Like yeah, but then.
We're going to be exactly the

933
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:17,960
same.
Yeah.

934
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,880
Then the world wouldn't.
Be exactly the same because this

935
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,320
is a revolutionary technology.
It would change the fabric of of

936
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,360
how yeah, of how we interact,
right.

937
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,200
So the world is not everything
isn't the same as those in the

938
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,920
1950s, except now we have
Internet like, you know, like

939
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,720
it's not how it works.
That's a good way of putting it,

940
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,760
I know.
But I think that the you don't

941
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,320
think that the that the rate of
development or the pace of that

942
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,280
of evolution or whatever we're
doing, the rate isn't just more

943
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,720
is exponentially faster and more
dramatic then from 1950 to

944
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,800
today.
Yeah, You know, about 19, even

945
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,400
82 even when I was born, man.
I'm getting on an airplane when

946
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,640
we're getting on airplanes when
I was a kid and having that,

947
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,240
remember the stupid TV, the,
the, the DVD player?

948
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,800
Yeah.
And I have to bring a chunky DVD

949
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
player and pop a DVD and it has
like an hour and a half life

950
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,240
battery.
And wow, that was like, yeah.

951
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:14,920
And like, that was within my
lifetime, dude.

952
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,800
Like house phone, you watch?
I love Internet.

953
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,080
Yeah.
Yeah, it might be like maps, you

954
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,280
know, to get around, to go, to
go, to go, to do it in my you

955
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,640
need a physical map for.
Kids out there, there were lots

956
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,040
of things, yeah.
Right.

957
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,440
But that's what I'm saying,
right?

958
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,640
So imagine so so my 2 year old,
when he's going to be 20, what's

959
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,160
you know, what's he going to
think?

960
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,960
Yeah, I don't know.
Man, it's an exciting thought

961
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,240
that I have no way to parse
because of this fact that things

962
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,200
happen concurrently.
And then you could not imagine

963
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:46,120
the changes, right?
Like, or if you really wanted to

964
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,000
be clever about it, you would
just drop.

965
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,400
You would, let's say you just
dropped it in, you know, like a

966
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,000
Pebble in water.
And then you watch the ripples.

967
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,480
And then the other, you drop the
other pebbles in and they had

968
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,640
other ripples.
And you're like, good luck

969
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,640
following.
Yeah, Yeah.

970
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,520
What's the kind of app, right?
That's a good example, yeah.

971
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,160
At some point, the pattern just
becomes way too complex for you

972
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,440
to to parse.
But if I had to say that in 20

973
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,720
years, first of all, I don't
think the little, you know, cell

974
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,520
phones are not going to be like
they're going to exist, right?

975
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,320
But like everything's, we're not
going to be in.

976
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,400
This kind of form factor.
Yeah, I feel like everything's

977
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,200
moving towards either like
completely visual on your eyes

978
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,600
or like audio or something like
that, you know?

979
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,600
That's weird, yeah.
And if you do have these, maybe

980
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,800
we'll have, maybe we'll have
because it's like nice to watch

981
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,320
a video or something, you know,
on your, on your phone also.

982
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,760
Like, what are the implications
of, like, essentially turning

983
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:40,960
our eyes into screens?
Yeah.

984
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,840
You know, and like, what does
that do to us?

985
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,880
I don't think it's.
Going to catch on 1st last words

986
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,840
I think.
Like I think it's going to catch

987
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,680
on.
And then like tomorrow, you

988
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,560
know, they release this thing
that just projects an image into

989
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,280
your eyeball.
I'll say, like a lot of

990
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,880
military, like since the war
started, we've been talking a

991
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,560
lot with different companies
about who reach out to us about

992
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,880
like, doing, you know, these
heads up displays on cameras.

993
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,600
And it's funny because they come
up with these crazy like

994
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,600
technological, like, it's cool.
Like, you know, heads up

995
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,760
displays with maps and, you
know, friend or foe

996
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,960
identification.
Yeah, all this stuff.

997
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,760
But then I'm like, did you fix
the fogging issue with glasses?

998
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,840
Yeah.
You ever try running with

999
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,200
glasses?
Start running with glasses and a

1000
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,040
helmet.
Like, there's no airflow.

1001
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like what do you mean that's the

1002
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,200
problem?
Right.

1003
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:36,600
Like because because the
practical people aren't hurt

1004
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,560
from usually the.
Future is doesn't spend time on

1005
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,880
the field.
Yeah, yeah.

1006
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,120
So.
So I have a hard time imagining

1007
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,560
what the future of technology
looks like.

1008
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,120
But the future of biology, I can
say with a lot of confidence is

1009
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,720
going to involve, you know,
genetic modification.

1010
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,440
It's going to involve we're on
like the verge of a revolution

1011
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,320
in terms of trying treatments
and things from nature.

1012
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,400
So, proteins, what do you?
Think of like artificial wounds

1013
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,200
and stuff like that, like.
If if I can come, that's like

1014
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,720
the next story.
That's the emancipation of

1015
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,640
women, right?
Like that's like in the way that

1016
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,880
in, I don't know if you ever
heard about this, but like 100

1017
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,560
years ago showing, showing that
ignorance.

1018
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,480
But the some some historians
argue that the development of

1019
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,160
the washing machine was pivotal
for women and birth.

1020
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,400
Control washing.
Washing.

1021
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Machines and birth control,
birth control in terms of like

1022
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,920
their massive, yeah, physical,
but washing machines is like why

1023
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,520
washing machines like because
you ever wash things by hand,

1024
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,200
like hours of work every day,
right?

1025
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,160
And so giving the women the
freedom suddenly to not have to

1026
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,600
do that freed women up to go get
an education or go take part in

1027
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,520
the workforce or go keep part of
right.

1028
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,800
And I, I know in science and
technology today and in in high

1029
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,080
level fields, women will not go
into those fields because they

1030
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,560
want to have kids.
And they, you have to make a

1031
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,520
choice as a woman.
You have to decide, am I going

1032
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,120
to be a mom or am I going to be
a professional?

1033
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,040
And those things, society
structures have to be mutually

1034
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,960
exclusive.
And that's probably, if we're

1035
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,160
getting back to the issue of
births in Western countries,

1036
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,760
that's probably also a big
factor.

1037
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,160
Yeah, certainly.
Right, like.

1038
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,440
I We can encourage women to be
professionals, to be strong and

1039
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,320
independent, and they should be.
But then we have to structure

1040
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,600
our society around the
biological needs of of people of

1041
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,160
people like who are humans and
want to have kids.

1042
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,600
You know, the Weitzman Institute
has a daycare in the institute.

1043
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,040
So a mother can come drop her
kid off at daycare, watch

1044
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,480
everything, go work in the lab,
take 10 minutes off, go nurse

1045
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,360
your kid and come back to work.
That should exist in every

1046
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,360
single big office.
No really it should like.

1047
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,880
It should exist in every big
office building like we just

1048
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,880
pretend like and also the
breaking down of family units,

1049
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,560
right?
So it used to be the, I mean, it

1050
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,360
used to be like up till 203
hundred years ago, you lived

1051
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,800
with your grandparents and your
brothers and your sisters and

1052
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,960
their kids.
And so there was always somebody

1053
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,320
to take care of the kid.
And the expectation today is

1054
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,240
that you and your wife are the
only two people who are on a

1055
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,400
consistent basis going to be the
caretakers of your children.

1056
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,280
And that's hard.
It is really hard.

1057
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,080
That's not a trivial statement.
And then you give them more

1058
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,240
responsibility, you say, and now
you also have to work.

1059
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:22,840
And now you should do all these
things.

1060
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,560
So so.
One of the things that I, I was,

1061
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,800
I was that I was reading a book
called the anxious Generation.

1062
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,280
And one of the things he was
talking about was that in

1063
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,600
today's world, and this is not a
benefit for parents, but that

1064
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,480
it's a massive problem has
solves that when we were growing

1065
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,960
up, parents or adults had trust
in other adults, at least in

1066
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,680
America.
Actually, I think Israel's way

1067
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,120
better about it, but I think
it's also comes from being a

1068
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,560
Jewish state, you know, where
there's someone who was like,

1069
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,280
obviously you don't there,
there, there's a bad people

1070
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,080
everywhere, you know, but
there's a little bit more of a

1071
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,320
sense that like if your kid will
run to will go by himself to

1072
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,440
school, you know, I'll say even.
On a practical level, like

1073
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,120
people don't know me walking
around the street, but they know

1074
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,360
that there are people out there
who are defending their physical

1075
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,720
existence in this place and that
there's not a there's not a few

1076
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:16,920
of them.
There's a lot of them out there.

1077
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,160
And so like on average, it low
just raises your trust a little

1078
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,840
bit in random, right?
That too.

1079
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,800
Right.
But what so right that that's

1080
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,520
enormous.
But one of the things you're

1081
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,880
saying is that so for a parent,
they used to look at the world

1082
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,840
like you're raising your kid and
you have a bunch of allies that

1083
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,520
are other that are other adults
that are helping to everyone's

1084
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,640
best interest to try to help.
So if you go to the supermarket,

1085
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,440
you use your kid.
Yeah.

1086
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,800
Exactly.
Or someone come up to you.

1087
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,160
Hey, could someone come to a
kid?

1088
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Hey, are you lost?
Do you know where your mom and

1089
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,720
dad are?
And then let me take you.

1090
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,800
But nowadays everyone is
considered a threat.

1091
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:51,960
Everyone's considered a
dangerous.

1092
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,600
So now it's not you and adults
working together to raise a

1093
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,040
family.
It's you against the rest of the

1094
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,760
world and you have to raise a
family.

1095
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,280
And that's a lot.
That's a lot to jump on.

1096
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,320
That's why.
And parents burnout and parents

1097
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,720
have a hard time.
And then and then I do that the.

1098
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,440
They don't have kids they don't
want to have.

1099
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,000
Kids, a lot of people are like
and then if they do this world

1100
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,280
where.
Everybody's an enemy, you know?

1101
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,240
Yeah, well.
That too.

1102
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,120
And then also when you have kids
and then you know what, I don't

1103
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,440
want to trust a babysitter.
So I'm going to pop them in

1104
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,880
front of the TV for or or not to
be on their on their iPad or

1105
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,840
their phone for 14 hours a day.
And that can't have very good

1106
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:28,760
professions.
More like you're.

1107
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,560
Living really far away from your
parents, right?

1108
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,040
So in Israel is very common
also.

1109
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,080
Yeah, like you rely on your
parents for a lot of things.

1110
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,600
Like they're common.
Watch, it's really societally

1111
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,360
accepted that your parents are
going to be babysit.

1112
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,760
Yeah, like you want beautiful.
It's.

1113
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,200
Beautiful.
It's how it should be.

1114
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,840
It's how it should be
evolutionarily, how it was,

1115
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,280
Right.
Yeah.

1116
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Like, that's why parents.
That's why parents live past the

1117
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,760
age of reproduction.
Oh, really?

1118
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,080
Like, what's your use?
Like, you can't make it.

1119
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,080
Like the reason blend is so that
you can help your kids raise

1120
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,320
their kids and then you're
helping yourself, right?

1121
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,240
Like, evolutionarily.
Yeah.

1122
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,960
That's the huge theory for why
for why humans live so long is

1123
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,440
because we're these social
animals teach each other and we

1124
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,160
help each other out.
We increase the fitness right at

1125
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,360
the chances of success.
And then when you're like, just

1126
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080
like it's recent, right?
You move away from it, everybody

1127
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,280
in your life and you move out
the middle of nowhere and now

1128
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,200
you don't know anybody.
You can't trust anybody.

1129
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Well, of course women aren't
like being a part of society or

1130
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:26,920
they're choosing not to have
kids.

1131
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,360
The truth is to be part of
society.

1132
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,080
Who can blame them?
And then they're just not having

1133
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:35,800
kids.
Yeah, that's so, so in terms of

1134
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,040
having, giving women the ability
also, like pregnancy is huge,

1135
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,520
right?
That's like a year off, you

1136
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,880
know, you're taking, it's going
to be, you know, if you want to

1137
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,760
breastfeed or whatever.
Then then having giving women

1138
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,360
the ability to like have these
external wounds or whatever, it

1139
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,600
would be enormous.
What are the?

1140
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,160
Moral implications of that,
though, are like the are there?

1141
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:59,160
Like I don't know if the kids.
Healthy, you know, like, I don't

1142
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,120
know, it's your genes.
It's your genes, the kids

1143
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,120
healthy, it's your baby.
It's your.

1144
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,320
Baby.
Yeah, why not?

1145
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,600
Just feels like a brave people.
Already like what do you think

1146
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:07,280
of a?
Brave New World.

1147
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:09,720
Well, I I haven't seen that look
red.

1148
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,600
That's pretty bad world either.
But like, wait, I'll take it.

1149
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,120
Like don't forget for this time,
fiction like.

1150
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,640
There are there.
Are celebrities today just go

1151
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,200
hire some random lady?
Yeah, yeah.

1152
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,000
Yeah.
So just carry.

1153
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,400
Their baby for them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1154
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,240
That's the, that's the dystopian
version of this.

1155
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,120
Yeah, yeah, there were.
That's happening to the

1156
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,320
dystopian version.
Of that of so Brave new World's

1157
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,720
premise is that everyone is
basically born artificial wombs

1158
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,680
yeah but that that they're
genetically modified and altered

1159
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,120
to fit to be arbitrary
arbitrarily chosen for social

1160
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,400
classes and.
They live like 20 and right.

1161
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,400
So yeah, but also like, you
know, the worker class is like

1162
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,440
physically bigger but has
smaller brains and has us and

1163
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,680
like they like edit out the gene
for like curiosity and to not

1164
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,880
have them like so that wants
basically.

1165
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,520
Like people?
Yeah.

1166
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,360
Essentially, yeah, essentially
everything's the same.

1167
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,720
But yeah.
And then and so the and so the

1168
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,080
premise of the of the book, it's
it's a short book, but the

1169
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,400
premise of the book is that it's
almost like a love story between

1170
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,200
like one that like one of the,
you know, different, lower do

1171
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:17,120
not class modified individuals.
Kind of like has his breakout

1172
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,400
moment like a almost like a
emergent moment where he rises

1173
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,880
beyond his, I guess, genetic
makeup or tries to, you know,

1174
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,840
and that's the version of that I
think the version of society

1175
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,800
where that goes like wrong, you
know, where like.

1176
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,320
Well, well, I mean, although
you.

1177
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,720
Can make I guess, an argument
that people are born into like

1178
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,960
the world that people are born
into essentially, is that any?

1179
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,600
Yeah, I mean, it is right now,
right?

1180
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:44,640
Right.
Yeah, I didn't fuse people into

1181
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,160
upper middle class Jewish family
and the suburbs of Muncie.

1182
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,880
Yeah.
I guess the question is for me

1183
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,400
is like, why?
Like, why did the society like

1184
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,520
what's the a lot of times I love
science fiction.

1185
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,240
I love I love movies in general.
What I cannot tolerate is lazy

1186
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:03,680
writing, right?
So so I cannot tolerate lazy

1187
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,720
writing.
So I don't I can I can accept

1188
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:07,640
any premise as long as it's
eternally consistent.

1189
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,520
OK, right.
I can't accept Harry Potter

1190
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,560
magic exists.
Great work with.

1191
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,840
It's better to not explain
sometimes, you know?

1192
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,160
Yeah.
Why does magic exist?

1193
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,280
Who knows?
Doesn't fucking matter.

1194
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,160
Yeah, It doesn't matter, right?
Or like, there was this movie.

1195
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,440
Now.
Lyle.

1196
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,280
Lyle Crocodile.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1197
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,680
Internally consistent.
You know why they never explain

1198
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,640
why he's there?
Everybody just accepts the

1199
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:28,800
pronounce.
Yeah, of course.

1200
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,400
Technology.
At the door they they walk.

1201
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,720
Through with that like make it
this right explanation, but with

1202
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,600
science fiction, I feel like it
needs a there needs to be like a

1203
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,840
more of a reason for it correct
I.

1204
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Feel like with like for example,
Marvel, Marvel movies at a

1205
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,320
certain point, like superpowers
mean nothing like there's no,

1206
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,120
there's no values or strength is
arbitrarily, you're just

1207
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,240
stronger than and.
Then it's just like a A, but

1208
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,240
it's.
That's lazy writing, right?

1209
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,120
Yeah.
There's no in universe reason

1210
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,600
for why this person's stronger,
right?

1211
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,040
Like, because we decided, yeah,
at this point.

1212
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,560
And then he was a you as a
viewer also, you lose an agency,

1213
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,480
right?
Because you're like, all right,

1214
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,840
well, I can't make any sense of
this.

1215
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Yeah, I can't make any sense.
And I can't make decisions while

1216
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,560
I'm watching, you know, like
who's going to be.

1217
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:11,680
So how's?
It going to.

1218
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,320
Go I have no way of knowing, but
I know it's just going to turn

1219
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,920
out to make me feel good.
Like I have to fucking do.

1220
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,560
Like that's not what I need, you
know, So, so for books, like I

1221
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,560
ask the question, OK, why?
Like, you know, why not make

1222
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,440
everybody perfect and then just
give them roles?

1223
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,840
Because because people are flaws
though, and people and and

1224
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,800
societies are still run by
people that make decisions

1225
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,320
right?
And they're not only internal.

1226
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,360
Consistency, right?
Yeah, maybe, maybe they're not

1227
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,360
making the best decisions,
right.

1228
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,600
But like you say, you see a
dystopian I'm saying you human,

1229
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,880
you now have the ability to to
like change humans however you

1230
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,240
want, right, however you see
fit.

1231
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,680
And I'm like designing society
like why are you designing it

1232
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,360
like Ant society, right?
Like what's the Mia?

1233
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,560
Like what's the what's the
point?

1234
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,960
What's the yeah, what's the why?
Like it's a cool thought

1235
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,360
experiment.
What if this existed, right?

1236
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,160
But like when you look at.
And so you, you create a power

1237
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,680
structure around yourself that
gives you the most, that gives

1238
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,920
you the most, the most control
over everyone else that you can

1239
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,440
get.
Sure.

1240
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,120
So you like make a little island
and you have money and you just

1241
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,640
start doing this thing and
you're like, I'm gonna make

1242
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,120
people who are just really dumb
or really strong and I'm gonna

1243
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,400
make people who are like this or
like that.

1244
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,320
Armies, sorry.
Or armies.

1245
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,080
Or.
Armies, but I like again, if I'm

1246
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,520
I'm using resources to make all
those people right and I don't

1247
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,480
know if I have a way to like
start we have we need society

1248
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:41,880
today don't need to do this
right.

1249
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,080
Like you can structure a society
with a diverse range of

1250
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,960
different people like.
But we don't.

1251
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,680
We could.
We could, right?

1252
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,000
But that's, that's the point.
We don't ask why we don't.

1253
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,720
It's because it's human nature.
And they're bad people.

1254
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,000
You know what makes sense?
Or.

1255
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,240
I think it's like this phrase,
but it's like never never

1256
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,000
ascribe.
Malice where you can ascribe

1257
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,200
ignorance, right, You could say.
Hey.

1258
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,600
Global conspiracy to maintain
these power structures and and

1259
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,880
these global you know like you
know rich and.

1260
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:13,800
Elite.
Yeah, it's.

1261
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,040
Possible.
It's possible that there's a guy

1262
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,400
out there who's like has a big
screen and he's controlling all

1263
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,680
these things and like, I don't,
you know, I don't know.

1264
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,240
But more likely is that nobody's
controlling anything.

1265
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,520
These emerge, These just these
structures emerge through

1266
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,800
individual interactions.
And everybody's, of course,

1267
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,440
trying to, like, hustle their
way up to the top, no question

1268
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:38,840
about it.
Yeah.

1269
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,880
And the people at the top, no,
for sure, want to stay at the

1270
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,440
top, right.
But there's probably not some

1271
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,040
big global conspiracy to just
maintain these rigid social

1272
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,520
structures.
And if there was a person at the

1273
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,080
top who wanted to create an
ideal world and had the

1274
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,120
resources and the money and the
and the ability to know how to

1275
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,880
do it, let's say like a Bill
Gates, you know, like, what did

1276
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,680
they do it?
Bill Gates, the richest man in

1277
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,200
the world.
Like, well, you know, he said,

1278
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,760
he said that he's like working
to cure malaria and just as an

1279
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,560
example, Right.
Yeah.

1280
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,640
How much money and time and
effort has been put into curing

1281
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,800
malaria?
And, you know, they've done an

1282
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,680
amazing job, but it's taken him
the better part of two decades

1283
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,160
to just, like, solve one
problem.

1284
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,680
So why would the world be this
perfect place?

1285
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,520
Because it's a hard problem to
do.

1286
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,960
It'd probably be equally hard to
structure.

1287
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,480
It's like specifically in the
way like, like you would

1288
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,840
describe it in this book, right?
Like.

1289
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,320
Yeah, but we have experiments to
we like we we, we have like, you

1290
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,600
know, like we know for certain
it's been declassified.

1291
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:45,000
The CIA studies like large like,
you know, I guess group

1292
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,200
psychology in the sense that
like how do you get like to get

1293
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,240
99 agents yeah to influence 1000
people.

1294
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,560
Yeah, you know and that like you
know like it's like almost like

1295
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,280
a one to 10 ratio of the impact
that that you could have that

1296
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,000
almost even snowballs as it as
it was bigger numbers they

1297
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,600
would.
Chat bots and like whatever you

1298
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,400
know so I.
Don't think, I don't think that

1299
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,160
I don't.
Yeah, chat bots too, by the way,

1300
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,480
you know, and, and I don't think
that.

1301
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,200
So I don't think that the I
think that I don't know if

1302
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,720
there's a quote, UN quote global
conspiracy in that kind of

1303
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:19,000
sense, but I think that if the
CIA hypothetically wanted to do

1304
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,560
mass damage or, or obtain mass
control or create a mass

1305
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,320
narrative, I don't think they'd
have a problem too.

1306
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:27,760
Yeah, I mean, that's a bread and
butter, right?

1307
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,040
But.
That's the point, but that's

1308
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,480
what I'm saying.
So so you're saying like, I

1309
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,520
mean, they could pull, they
could be pulling strings.

1310
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,520
And again, to to what extent are
they going to be controlling,

1311
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,680
you know, like whatever.
I'm not even talking about that,

1312
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,000
but you know, just the fact that
like we study like people almost

1313
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,760
like lose a sense of
individuality in a group.

1314
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,400
We know that, you know, that's
group thing.

1315
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:53,480
That's all right.
Yeah, I would say, I would say

1316
01:02:53,480 --> 01:03:04,000
it's complicated.
People lose their sense of

1317
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,800
individuality in a group is
something that I think a lot of

1318
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,640
people are conscious of.
And I wouldn't say it's almost

1319
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,520
lose their individuality as much
as give up their individuality.

1320
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,320
Sure, there's no like, magical
force you're.

1321
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,200
Right.
But the consequence of the day

1322
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,240
is the same, which is you walk
away from, you're at a rally,

1323
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,120
you're at a protest and you do
something and you walk away and

1324
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,040
you're like, I can't even
believe I did that.

1325
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,760
I can't even say that.
I can't even.

1326
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:30,960
I hate that.
That's the one.

1327
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,120
With the mask effect, right When
you put on a mask, you'll

1328
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,160
suddenly behave.
Yeah, sure.

1329
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,720
It's more like a lost in the
crowd.

1330
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,720
Nobody sees me doing this,
right?

1331
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,040
Right.
Right, but that's fine.

1332
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,160
So like so I, so I don't know
that I'm beyond being

1333
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,840
controlled.
I don't know that if you put me

1334
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,000
like, if you tell me that even
they're physically positive,

1335
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,840
even like a concert, even like,
you know, like a minion, like a

1336
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,520
short function, they're like,
like I definitely could be swept

1337
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,640
up in a moment and kind of lose.
You give up 5% of it.

1338
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,240
Right.
So you like, I think there for a

1339
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,440
lot of these, there's a buy in.
We talked about this like

1340
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,960
yesterday.
I think there's a lot of these,

1341
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,560
there's a buy in of like people
kind of maybe maybe most, some

1342
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,600
people aren't conscious of this
themselves and they just kind of

1343
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:12,960
go with whatever's happening
around them.

1344
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,400
But for you at least there's for
sure going to be a moment where

1345
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,920
you're like, do I want to do
this or not, right.

1346
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,760
And then, OK, once you've made
the decision to do it, no

1347
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,440
problem.
That's on you.

1348
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,720
Yeah.
But but you know, well, like,

1349
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,720
you know, Joy answer, I mean,
and Daven and you know, like,

1350
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,720
yeah, you should like if you
want to, but.

1351
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,560
But for me, I guess I think I'm
the same way also.

1352
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,640
Like I think about it and I'm
like, you know, sometimes I

1353
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,920
won't clap because I'm like, I
don't want to clap like for

1354
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,920
these guys, but I'm not
interested in doing that.

1355
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:49,600
I like your, your question is
like, is it possible to like

1356
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,920
just take a technology and turn
into dystopian future based on

1357
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,440
like like how you influence like
the masses or at least.

1358
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,520
Attempts to, I don't know, I
mean, I think the question is

1359
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,240
just an easy thought, something
to think about.

1360
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:01,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1361
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:03,920
Oh, we should.
Definitely be careful the way

1362
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,320
the Internet is structured
today.

1363
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,200
So a big part of like how like
any, any, you know, biological

1364
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,480
or like living animal works is
like signal filtering, right?

1365
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,000
So if you took every single
input that existed and always

1366
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,680
were processing every single
thing, you would go crazy and

1367
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,240
you wouldn't be able to make
decisions, right?

1368
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,960
And for some reason, I mean for
some reason, the Internet is

1369
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,960
still very much in its infancy
and we have no good way of

1370
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,320
processing garbage, right?
Everything comes in and it's all

1371
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,280
equal.
You can have a guy who has.

1372
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,440
I think we're learning.
That I think we're learning.

1373
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,240
That's what you.
As an individual are, but

1374
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:44,720
there's.
An industry called click

1375
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:50,240
baiting, which is the study of
what would get someone to this

1376
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,800
would jump out from the junk.
Yeah.

1377
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,800
You know, it's like you're
disregarding everything else and

1378
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,760
you're focusing on the headline.
That isn't all caps, right?

1379
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,200
Aging doctor says that's even
worse because you build a

1380
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,840
filter.
In your brain about like what's

1381
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,080
relevant and what should be
clicked on, right?

1382
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,960
And then there's a whole field
now that's adversarial, right?

1383
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,440
That's like, that's right now
trying to get you to click even

1384
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,080
though you shouldn't click.
Yes, yes, yes.

1385
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,880
Yes, I met like 5 times last
night while I was growing so I.

1386
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,200
Genuinely think that there's not
gonna be a way around this

1387
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,160
either.
Countries at some point in the

1388
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,440
next two decades are gonna have
to start just filtering the

1389
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,880
Internet, like saying I don't, I
don't.

1390
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,720
Nobody on the Internet from
Vietnam or I don't know, North

1391
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,200
Korea or Russia is allowed on
the American Internet.

1392
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,680
Like it's just gonna become
these like discrete bubbles of

1393
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:39,560
Internet or there's gonna be
some sort of ID verification

1394
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,880
system on the Internet that
you're gonna have to go have

1395
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,080
where you become a citizen of
the Internet or I don't know

1396
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,960
what.
And you just have your ID, your

1397
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,680
credentials and everything.
And there's that's really also

1398
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:56,120
for your statement, right?
Because what keeps you civil?

1399
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,120
Like, yeah.
Seriously, why don't you go in

1400
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,400
the street?
And just yell at people because

1401
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,800
it'll fucking punch you in the
face.

1402
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,120
You're going to prison here.
I don't know, you know, so they

1403
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,400
there's nothing to create a.
World of repercussions because

1404
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,200
right now you don't have any.
There's no, yeah, there's two

1405
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,040
things.
There's 2 problems.

1406
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,360
One, there's no punishment if
somebody makes a bad prediction.

1407
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,840
And that needs to start
happening because like, it's a 0

1408
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,200
sum game, right?
If I make 100 predictions and

1409
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,440
one of them works out, I could
say I I can ignore the 99 that

1410
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,080
didn't work out.
Yeah, Point to the one

1411
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,880
prediction.
And that's how people make your

1412
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:26,720
career that.
Yeah.

1413
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,800
And then that ends up messing a
lot of other people up.

1414
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,440
Yeah, Right.
How many times have you heard

1415
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,480
that Israel is a you know,
people are starving.

1416
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,080
People are going to start in
Gaza tomorrow.

1417
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,760
For the last two years, I can
probably.

1418
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,880
I wanted to do this.
I want to pull up all of the

1419
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,200
headlines on this.
I promise you there are over 200

1420
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,680
over the course of the last two
years.

1421
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:43,400
Definitely.
Right.

1422
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,080
And at this point, if you look
at the statistics, thousands are

1423
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,480
doing better than most of the
world.

1424
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,200
I'm not saying they're
comfortable, but in terms of the

1425
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,240
statistics of how many people
died of hunger related things on

1426
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,360
2 orders of magnitude, they're
doing better than the rest of

1427
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:58,840
the world 2.
Orders of magnitude.

1428
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,880
That's the difference.
Between a 1 and 100%.

1429
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:05,120
So yeah, that's like, yeah, you
can do this math yourself.

1430
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,680
It's like relatively easy.
You just like, divide the number

1431
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,160
of people that die in the world
of hunger each day, 25,000

1432
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,720
people, by the way, a huge
number.

1433
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,160
That's insane.
Yeah, 20,000 people die that

1434
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,520
every day.
Of hunger.

1435
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,680
Hunger related disease.
Yeah, hunger related reasons

1436
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,640
every day.
And then so you take that

1437
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,680
number.
This is both UN statistics, so I

1438
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,600
feel confident in making them.
It's not from two different

1439
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,040
sources.
And then you take the number of

1440
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:32,000
people who've died in Gaza over
the last two years of hunger and

1441
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,040
you know you can you can do the
same.

1442
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,640
So by day, you divide it by the
number of days and you get the

1443
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,399
number of people who've died in
Gaza in the math.

1444
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:41,640
Is very.
Is very simple to do.

1445
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,600
It's simple.
And then you just get the like

1446
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:44,920
if you because it's called
sanity check.

1447
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,200
So when you make a statement,
you have to gauge it against

1448
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,319
some objective market reality.
And that's how you sanity check.

1449
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,479
And if you're in the ballpark,
if it was like 2 times, then I

1450
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,760
would say we're in the ballpark.
Like, you know, like if half the

1451
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,720
number of people dying in Gaza
and the rest of the world would

1452
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,680
say, OK, like we're in the
ballpark of, of starvation.

1453
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,080
But if it's the difference
between A1 and A-100, you know,

1454
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,880
then you're not even in the same
universe.

1455
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,520
You know, it's there's between
100,000 and a million.

1456
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,200
You know, what is the magnitude,
right?

1457
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,680
That's the difference so that
the people in Gaza are not

1458
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,920
dying, right?
So more by 200 of magnitude

1459
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,680
people are dying outside of Gaza
from starvation than in Gaza.

1460
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,840
So that's as an example, right?
But yeah.

1461
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,359
That's a great example, right?
That's a great example.

1462
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:27,000
So how?
Many times.

1463
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:27,880
Have you heard?
I've never heard.

1464
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,600
I've never heard anything like
that, Yeah.

1465
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,720
But but headlines will have you
believe that this is the worst

1466
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,439
humanitarian crisis, that people
are starving.

1467
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,040
And just like on a granum
Tuesday, in the rest of the

1468
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,479
world, it's worse.
Yeah.

1469
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,000
You know, like tomorrow.
Is going to be worse tomorrow.

1470
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,720
Is today's the rest of the is
already worse?

1471
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,560
Probably in the rest of the
world?

1472
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,040
Yeah, the rest.
Of the world, today's already

1473
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,760
worse, yeah.
Correct. 10:00 in the morning?

1474
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,319
Sure.
More people have died in the

1475
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:54,040
rest of the world as a
proportion of people then have

1476
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,080
died in a conflict zone in
what's supposedly A genocide and

1477
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,040
stuff.
Yeah, but that's just an example

1478
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,680
of bad predictions that have no
consequence.

1479
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,320
Right?
So BBC is never gonna pay a fine

1480
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:06,040
for each bad prediction they
make, yeah.

1481
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,040
Well, they're never, they
wouldn't be in the business.

1482
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,480
They'd be out of business at
that point.

1483
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:09,760
Sure.
They.

1484
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,840
Would have to actually have or
they would have to actually

1485
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,560
adjust their tactics to yeah,
to.

1486
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,880
That's I'm not a big fan of
government bailouts either, by

1487
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,520
the way, because I think that it
gets in the way of the church.

1488
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:20,440
Correct.
Sure.

1489
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,160
Yeah, correct.
There's something to be said

1490
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:23,280
there also, right.
Yeah.

1491
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,320
But then when like first to
making the decision to invest in

1492
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,520
the company, Yeah.
Yeah.

1493
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,120
Good luck, regulatory.
Capture.

1494
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,800
I love that word.
I love that word.

1495
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:32,560
That's a great word.
Yeah.

1496
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:33,840
I don't think you.
Have a time load on those.

1497
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,720
No, I don't.
To talk to you about your

1498
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,400
nonprofit.
Yeah, if you have some, if you

1499
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,720
have some time for it, I do.
I mean, let's time, it's enough,

1500
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,680
so let's find me.
Yeah, you got some time, It's

1501
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,440
okay.
Yeah, let's talk.

1502
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,040
I just started into my PhD.
It's fine.

1503
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,160
They don't expect anything else,
right?

1504
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,960
So I direct.
I started.

1505
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,920
I direct the nonprofit call the
Lone Soldier Empowerment

1506
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,320
Foundation Little.
Soldier.

1507
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:00,280
Is it lone?
Soldier.

1508
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,800
Lone soldier, the lone.
Soldier Empowerment Foundation,

1509
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,760
the LSEF, they want to explain.
What a lone soldier is, yeah.

1510
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,040
Wow.
A lone soldier is somebody who

1511
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,960
comes to this is like a really
just a hard shift, right?

1512
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,240
Yeah.
I don't want this.

1513
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,680
This is not sponsored.
This is.

1514
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,400
Publicizing, which is good,
yeah.

1515
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,720
So lone soldiers are essentially
people who who move to Israel

1516
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,920
without any familial support or
if I grew up in Israel and just

1517
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,880
don't have any familial support.
And they decide to draft to the

1518
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,240
IDF.
And then they get this

1519
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,040
characterization from the IDF
that's like tagged as long

1520
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,240
soldier.
And they get support from the

1521
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,440
IDF while they're in the army.
But prior to their draft,

1522
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,880
they're still alone.
There's no services for them and

1523
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:49,760
there's no support for them.
And so we from 20, we've had a

1524
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,080
program from 2014 that we've
been running that helps them

1525
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:59,000
essentially train.
Like we take people who were

1526
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,240
little soldiers in the IDF and
they train these guys twice a

1527
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,920
week in in Jerusalem.
They work with them on Hebrew,

1528
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:11,040
physical fitness, building a
community, being with leaders,

1529
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,920
all the things that you would
want essentially as a human.

1530
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,880
We don't train them as soldiers.
That's the IDF, that's their

1531
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,360
job.
Also, we don't feel like that's

1532
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,720
our place, right?
Like we don't want them to come

1533
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,440
into the Army thinking they know
how to be a soldier.

1534
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,240
We want them to come in the army
being a person, being a good

1535
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,080
person who knows how to work
with other people, who knows how

1536
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,040
to lead, who knows how to work
under pressure.

1537
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,000
So in 2014 we started two guys
basically started in the park

1538
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,040
workouts and 2019 they open up a
non profit, which we took

1539
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,960
control of in 2020.
I've been running since then as

1540
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,200
as this as a long social
empowerment foundation.

1541
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,000
Seven Mikey is the name of the
program.

1542
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:56,040
It's really cool, honestly, like
because I didn't do anything

1543
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:01,880
like this right to the army.
And it's just wild to see the

1544
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:08,520
people who show up there and how
much they put on the table and

1545
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,960
how much they they just give of
themselves to something that

1546
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,160
they don't even really know they
want to do.

1547
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,320
You know, it's like, but they
know that they want to be in

1548
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,720
Israel and they know they want
to defend their country, the

1549
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:27,120
country, the Jewish country that
that they believe should exist.

1550
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,960
And so for them, it's like a no
brainer.

1551
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,200
Like they're here, they're going
to work hard.

1552
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:37,040
And we can talk about like the
whole justification for these in

1553
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,200
the state of Israel and all this
stuff.

1554
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:39,960
We could you.
Want to do it?

1555
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:43,320
I think there's like a just a
practical reason that we

1556
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,640
overlook completely like as, as
people who are Israel advocates

1557
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,960
and I'm like you'd advocate for
the state of Israel.

1558
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,960
I think we kind of talked the
wrong language and we don't

1559
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:57,680
point the right finger.
So a lot of times you know, some

1560
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,600
person who you know is 1 leaning
and loves the world is going to

1561
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,160
come to you and say, you know,
why does why does Israel need an

1562
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,160
ethno state, which is not, by
the way, it's not an ethical

1563
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,560
state.
They're 20% of the copulation is

1564
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,480
part of everything in that like
in Serb society and we have

1565
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:18,560
friends who are Arabic Jews in
the Bedouin and we all live in

1566
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,520
wild.
But so putting aside the

1567
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,320
ignorance for something, why
does what's the justification

1568
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,520
for the state of Israel and
people like to compare it also

1569
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,080
to compare we love comparing
Israel to Western problems

1570
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,320
right.
So South Africa apartheid or

1571
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,520
comparing the war to Vietnam or
Iraq.

1572
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,760
And it's like you're so off
base, but I don't know how I

1573
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,560
don't even know where to start,
right.

1574
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,920
Like you have to start with the
whole history of oppression of

1575
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:49,360
of pogroms of like the Holocaust
is kind of somehow our enemies

1576
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,080
have turned into a cliche.
It's not a cliche is the biggest

1577
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,880
genocide of any any ethnic group
in human history, right?

1578
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,120
Like it was the industrial
genocide of of a group of

1579
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,360
people, right?
And Juice just felt the

1580
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,680
practical need for a place where
they wouldn't just be murdered

1581
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,040
for no reason, you know, like,
where they can.

1582
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,760
Yeah, where they can make money
and make something of their

1583
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,640
lives and nobody would just kill
them to take it, like, right

1584
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,880
there.
And And so the state of Israel

1585
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:20,280
came into existence from a very
practical place, and the

1586
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,680
decisions that are continually
made that appear from the

1587
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:29,800
outside to be drawn from a place
of being.

1588
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,360
Contemptuous.
Yeah, like trying to be able to

1589
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,200
say maximalist, they say it's, I
mean, the terms you hear

1590
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:42,440
maximalist, what is the when you
think you're better than

1591
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:44,560
somebody, Yeah.
I'm just.

1592
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,080
Having a brain fart right now,
yeah.

1593
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,280
OK, a lot of.
The elitist, elitist.

1594
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,160
Yeah.
So a lot of the idealistic terms

1595
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,760
that are used of levied Israel
like come from a place of

1596
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:00,440
ignorance of the history of the
conflict where these are

1597
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:02,960
practical considerations.
This isn't like, you know, of

1598
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,320
course there are people in every
society that are, that are

1599
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:09,280
racist, But the decisions that
are made, let's say, are

1600
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,120
filtered through that lens of
the, of the minority and not

1601
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,120
through the like objective lens
of history, which is to say,

1602
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,680
like, why is there a border wall
between, you know, the West Bank

1603
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,360
and, or today and Samaria and
the rest of Israel proper,

1604
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,400
right?
Is that an apartheid decision to

1605
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,000
limit the mobility of
Palestinians?

1606
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,040
Or was it because, you know,
five years leading up to it,

1607
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,480
buses were blowing up every
fucking day and people just

1608
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,400
didn't want to keep dying going
to school.

1609
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,880
And so they decided if this is
what our enemy's going to do, we

1610
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,520
can't allow them freedom of
movement, right.

1611
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,920
And ever since that wall's been
up, hey, no suicide attacks.

1612
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:49,400
You know what a surprise, you
know, or like I love this

1613
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,360
because I used to do secure.
I used to be security guards.

1614
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,960
So I do private individuals.
Cool you'd.

1615
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,240
Be a security guard for
individuals, sure.

1616
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,240
People come to Israel and I
would take them around and I

1617
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,160
keep them safe.
And I'm also a medic, so it's

1618
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,720
like the full package.
I know Hebrew.

1619
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,840
I know English.
I was like, yeah.

1620
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:12,880
Yeah, that is convenient.
Yeah, I'm the I'm.

1621
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:14,280
The fixer.
Yeah.

1622
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,520
So, so they would ask, like, I
see some of the license plates,

1623
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,280
you know, what's this between
the yellow and the green license

1624
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,280
plate?
And for them, what they see is I

1625
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,040
see Arab people driving around
and I see they have green

1626
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,360
license plates.
And I see that in Israel,

1627
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,640
everybody has yellow license
plates, and most of the people

1628
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,960
who have them are Israeli.
Is is it that Arabs have green

1629
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,040
license plates?
And first of all, it is that

1630
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,640
Arabs have green license plates.
But because.

1631
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,160
No, but actually the green
license plates are from the

1632
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:41,840
Palestinian Authority.
Right?

1633
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:43,960
And no Jews are allowed.
You haven't mixed up.

1634
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,960
No, Jews are allowed to live in
the Palestinian Authority or be

1635
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,200
part of the Palestinian
Authority.

1636
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,120
Right.
Gotcha.

1637
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,160
And so there's not going to be a
Jew driving around with a green

1638
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,520
license plate.
But it's because it's from a

1639
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,680
different state.
It's like a different country.

1640
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,520
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1641
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,960
Right, but.
Then if anybody else comes

1642
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,120
around, Israelis, Israelis and
Palestinians have different

1643
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,120
license plates based on their
race, right?

1644
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,040
Which is not true because there
are Arabs drive around with

1645
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,240
yellow license plates with
Israeli license plates, right?

1646
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,960
So not every so so not every
yellow license plate is a Jew,

1647
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,880
but every green license plate is
an animal.

1648
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,920
Exactly.
And then so and then people will

1649
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,240
take that to mean that Israelis
handing out green license plates

1650
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,040
to, yeah, Arabs, right?
Yeah, yeah.

1651
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,960
That's what you're saying?
Wow, I didn't even know that

1652
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,200
even existed, by the way, that
that even the license plate.

1653
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:26,840
I didn't even know that the
license, the license plate thing

1654
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,720
existed.
That's interesting.

1655
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,360
Yeah, because there's been
there's been a Palestinian

1656
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,880
state, not a full Palestinian
state, but a a Palestinian

1657
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,880
territory with autonomy, you
know, since the Oslo Accords and

1658
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,520
there had there's been one set
of elections, you know, 20 years

1659
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,840
ago and there's never been a
free election since then, right,

1660
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,960
Because, because why?
Because if there were free

1661
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,320
elections and yeah, there would
be colossal be elected about.

1662
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:55,120
Do you think if there were free
elections, there's we we voted

1663
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,560
back in, Hamas would?
Be voted in the West Bank into

1664
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,160
power.
That's why in the West Bank.

1665
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,680
In the West Bank.
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

1666
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,120
I mean, that's what happened in
Gaza, right?

1667
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,640
Yeah, Well, there were elections
after they met.

1668
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:10,360
Good. 2006, right?
Do we know what the what the

1669
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:15,520
favorability is with Hamas in
terms of the Gazans or and or

1670
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,800
the West people of the West
Bank?

1671
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,080
That was the last week.
How you can tested whether the

1672
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,080
statistics are accurate, Of
course, in Gaza, especially in

1673
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:28,440
the West Bank, very high, very
high, very high and.

1674
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,000
Just and and there's depends on
who you are and they're unhappy

1675
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,520
with the Palestinian Authority.
They'd rather from us over the

1676
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:35,880
Palestinian.
All right, it's kind of.

1677
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,560
Like they, it's like our
elections also, you know, yeah.

1678
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,840
MC South Park.
Yeah, you know that South Park

1679
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,480
Church sandwich?
And, you know, like that.

1680
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:43,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

1681
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:44,760
Yeah, Yeah.
It's kind of.

1682
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,120
Like for them it's the same
thing.

1683
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,960
I would say they're not happy
with either choice, but in terms

1684
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:56,720
of the Islamic like perspective
on things there.

1685
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,480
Are.
A lot of people who yeah, these

1686
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,240
are statistics, so you can look
them up, but yeah, I think Hamas

1687
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,040
most for by by most
understandings of the pal on the

1688
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,640
Palestinian side would win an
election.

1689
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,000
And so Mahmoud Abbas, who is the
funnest, is not a.

1690
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,280
Not Hamas, he's a different
party has not held election

1691
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:22,160
since since he was elected.
So so this kind of claim also

1692
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:23,920
that there's no Hamas in the
West Bank that you hear

1693
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,320
subtitles wild, right?
I never.

1694
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,760
Heard that yeah yeah.
That there is no Hamas in the

1695
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,520
West Bank They.
People say, you know, why is

1696
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:31,440
this all attacking the West
Bank?

1697
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,400
There's no Hamas there.
And there is and.

1698
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,760
The first of all, there is and
second of all, militants don't

1699
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,600
have to be a part of a
particular political

1700
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,440
organization to be pose a risk.
Yeah, pose a risk to to citizens

1701
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:47,120
in the state of Israel.
And it's wild because all you

1702
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,320
have to do is go off the
Instagram, find some of these

1703
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,160
pictures, these kids with like M
Sixteens and saying, you know, I

1704
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,560
want to kill all the Jews.
And like, you know, it's not

1705
01:20:55,560 --> 01:21:04,200
hard to find.
But yeah, essentially a lot of

1706
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,000
this.
So it's like, why is why is

1707
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,760
Israel have military control of
area beat?

1708
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,760
You know, like practically
because if they left, it would

1709
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,120
just become Gaza too, you know,
just become another, another

1710
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,040
Gaza.
And then people are like, OK, I

1711
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:24,600
love this argument, right.
OK, so let's say in in Iraq or

1712
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,880
Afghanistan, we found we knew
that if we killed a guy and he

1713
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,520
was a militant and we
accidentally hit his son or

1714
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,920
whatever, and then the whole
family, the whole family became

1715
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,200
militants.
Like that was a well known.

1716
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:36,320
Yeah.
Radicalized.

1717
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,360
Yeah.
It's radicalization, right?

1718
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,080
Right.
That's not the situation here.

1719
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,640
They're already radicalized.
Like they already want to kill

1720
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:44,360
me.
I'm not.

1721
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,040
I'm not upping the ante by by
like accidentally hitting

1722
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:49,200
someone.
That's another thing.

1723
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:57,760
Do we know what percent of
civilians or how do we know what

1724
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,920
percent of civilians are
sympathetic towards that?

1725
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:01,880
No SO.
You OK, So it's really important

1726
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:04,840
and this is where I found a lot
of us are Israelis and

1727
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,960
commentators kind of lose a
thread, yes.

1728
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:10,040
You.
Can you can absolutely hate me

1729
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,480
and want to kill me, that
doesn't justify me going and and

1730
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:14,000
killing you.
Like no, under no certain

1731
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,240
instances, right.
So civilian casualties are

1732
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,600
simply like the guy's not
holding the gun, you know, and

1733
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,280
they're they they were never
interested in picking up a gun

1734
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,080
and they hate me, but they still
want to kill me.

1735
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,640
They're still like, hey, I think
this guy should die or not be

1736
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,840
here, right?
Then I have no right.

1737
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,520
As even if they say even they're
very explicit about it, say I

1738
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,600
don't think you should be here
and I I hope that you die, it

1739
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,440
doesn't give me any right to go
and kill them.

1740
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,640
But like, most of the population
is of that situation, right?

1741
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,880
And so you have to figure out,
OK, what to actually do.

1742
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,400
Like, it could be not everybody
here wants to pick up a gun and

1743
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:48,880
kill me.
Or it could be everybody here

1744
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,040
wants to.
Most of them won't, Right?

1745
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,560
So like, I'm in a complicated
situation, right?

1746
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,360
Yeah.
I know that's what that's what

1747
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:58,920
I'm thinking.
You know, that's we.

1748
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:00,920
Yeah, it.
Starts with going back to our

1749
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:02,320
original part of this
conversation.

1750
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,120
It starts with education, like
going back I think an hour ago,

1751
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,040
right?
Yeah, it starts with education.

1752
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,000
And it's, you said, you know,
putting on the framework for,

1753
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,480
for, you know, for an 8 till
from 8:00 AM to 7:00 PM is good,

1754
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:16,600
right, Because it gives you a
lot of these kids are like,

1755
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,400
right in our schools, first of
all.

1756
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:19,640
But mostly they're on the
streets.

1757
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,680
Like mostly you'll see them on
the streets.

1758
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,440
Like I know this from my
experience in the West Bank

1759
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,160
extensively, right.
I've been there, I think in, in

1760
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,120
over the course of my life as a
soldier for more than a year.

1761
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,000
Like in different, in different
in all kinds of different areas.

1762
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,800
And you see the same thing.
You see these kids, no parents,

1763
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,600
like, no education, like
ignorant of the world.

1764
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,880
They don't know.
They don't know where Jerusalem

1765
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:41,960
is.
Like they don't know where Tel

1766
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,240
Aviv is.
Yes.

1767
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,320
Yeah, You know, like I, I
distinctly remember this.

1768
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,160
I got on a bus.
I'm a soldier.

1769
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,640
I got on a bus with my wife,
girlfriend at the time, like a

1770
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:55,360
mother-in-law.
Now we're going from Jerusalem

1771
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,360
to Haifa.
We're on a bus that goes to

1772
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:57,880
Haifa.
It's.

1773
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,440
Like 3 hours away.
Yeah, it's.

1774
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:02,280
Up north, up north, yeah,
exactly.

1775
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,000
To get to Haifa's three hours
and on the bus it was during

1776
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:09,480
Ramadan.
So you Ramadan a lot of the

1777
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:13,040
Palestinians get once you know,
they get permits to come into

1778
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:17,160
Israel, you know, like, Oh my
God, right, these subhumans, we

1779
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,040
let them in, you know, it's so
annoying.

1780
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,120
I'm sorry, like like it's so far
from reality.

1781
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,160
Anyways, like, so they get
permits to come in and to travel

1782
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,880
because it's not it's not their
country, but they we allow them

1783
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,800
in because it's their holy sites
and we want to allow them to

1784
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,560
come and see their holy sites
because we're not fucking

1785
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,160
assholes.
Like no, really like and these

1786
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,880
kids get on the bus and they're
in Israel.

1787
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,840
So they're not just going to go
to the latest travel moment.

1788
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,840
So I start talking to one of
these kids.

1789
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,640
He's like, can I hold your gun?
It's like Arab kid, this

1790
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,600
Palestinian kid.
And I'm like, first of all, no,

1791
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,840
but you don't want to take a
picture, whatever, you know,

1792
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,160
like.
And I asked him, so why are you

1793
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:01,760
on the bus?
You know, where you going, where

1794
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,600
you from, where you going?
He's like, oh, you know, I want

1795
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,560
to go to the beach and I'm like,
you want to go to the beach?

1796
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:07,600
He's like, yeah, I want to go to
the beach.

1797
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:08,600
I'm like, why are you going to
Haifa?

1798
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:09,520
He's like, that's where the
beach is.

1799
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,640
No, Yeah.
Like he's in Jerusalem.

1800
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:12,760
Yeah.
Go to Tel Aviv.

1801
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:13,960
Yeah, he has.
No, Tel Aviv is.

1802
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,120
Yeah, there's no Haifa is
there's no anything, right?

1803
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,160
He lives.
He lives 20 minutes away.

1804
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,600
Yeah, that's not, that's not
Israel.

1805
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,760
That's like living him in head.
And not knowing where Monty is.

1806
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:23,600
Yeah, that's.
Not Israel.

1807
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,040
That's not Israel, right?
That's your fundamental failure

1808
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,600
of your society to teach you
anything, right?

1809
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,240
Like, yeah, right.
Like you can go blame Israel.

1810
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,080
Maybe that this guy hasn't seen
the ocean.

1811
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:35,680
I'll accept that criticism,
right?

1812
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:36,840
And I think we should improve
that.

1813
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,880
Like, you know, everybody should
be able to go everywhere, but

1814
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,040
this kid is so ignorant about
just where he lives, right?

1815
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:46,480
And that's not Israel.
That's your parents.

1816
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,640
That's your society.
That's your family, you know,

1817
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:55,200
like wild, right?
So I think it starts with

1818
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,040
education.
Like if you want to get anywhere

1819
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:02,120
with the Israeli Palestinian
conflict, there has to be

1820
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:06,760
education away from hate.
And on a practical level, what

1821
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,920
that means is within Israel
today, there are like an E

1822
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,960
Jerusalem.
There are schools like Arab

1823
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:21,360
schools that teach anti Israel
narratives that are funded by

1824
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,240
the Israeli Ministry of
Education right?

1825
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:23,840
What?
Does that mean?

1826
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:24,360
Yeah.
Why?

1827
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:25,760
What is that?
Well.

1828
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,120
First of all, again, because
Israel's not a fucking asshole.

1829
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,720
So we have kids in our country
and we want them to get an

1830
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,240
education.
So that's, that's any government

1831
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,000
there, right?
Like, like in the same way that

1832
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,760
kids should have no kid should
starve in a country, right?

1833
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,240
And no kid should go without an
education in a country.

1834
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,560
Now we're dancing around a
sensitive political situation

1835
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,360
where you don't want this be
seen as somebody who's re

1836
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,400
educating, right?
You don't want to like be seen

1837
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,920
as a this this group of people
who's forcing an education onto

1838
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,280
something interesting, right?
And so there's.

1839
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:56,720
This is the class of.
Education.

1840
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,400
We want to get some damage.
If you're doing damage, if you

1841
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,360
don't correct, it's just like,
oh, why are you popping up your

1842
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:01,640
enemies?
If you really care about it,

1843
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:02,600
then why are you?
Why are you paying for the

1844
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:03,880
education?
On the other hand, it's like,

1845
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,920
oh, why are you brainwashing
your why are you brainwashing

1846
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,240
these poor people and entitles
your own opinions?

1847
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,080
And I was like, yeah, his.
Arabs are being damaged.

1848
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:14,960
At the education system, right?
So, So what happens is that we

1849
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,960
say, OK, we want these kids to
get an education.

1850
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,640
We don't, by the way, this
happens.

1851
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,080
I'm saying this specifically
about the Arab sector, but this

1852
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,400
is true for the ultra Orthodox
sector, for the party also where

1853
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:26,320
we also allow this, we give them
money.

1854
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,320
And then where do they go?
They teach anti anti like they

1855
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,520
teach information that's against
the state of Israel, that's

1856
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,680
against integrating into
society.

1857
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,840
I'll say in both cases, right,
they teach an education that

1858
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,360
limits your ability to integrate
into society by limits teaching

1859
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,080
in a language that is not
commonly spoken within the

1860
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,800
greater Society of Israel.
So in the Karidi systems, it's

1861
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,160
it's Yiddish.
They'll teach only in Yiddish.

1862
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:52,600
Some of them don't even want to
speak Hebrew.

1863
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:53,480
Really.
Yeah.

1864
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:54,840
Holy wow.
Yeah.

1865
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,520
And then in in Arab society,
they'll teach it in Arabic,

1866
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:58,640
Right.
So in the East Jerusalem,

1867
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,160
they'll teach only in Arabic.
In East Jerusalem we go one step

1868
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:02,760
further, right.
So there they'll they'll at

1869
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,400
least teach the math.
They want you to teach the math

1870
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,440
right.
They're one step further and

1871
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,960
teach the math in a language
that that in the numerals that

1872
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,600
aren't the standard numerals
that you know really they won't

1873
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,440
teach them 1234.
They'll teach them in the Arabic

1874
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:18,120
numerals for for numbers, which
is what it's cool.

1875
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:19,000
It's.
So interesting.

1876
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,840
It's a whole.
Different set of numerals really

1877
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,640
is the same.
Rules of math though.

1878
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,720
The rules are the same.
The rules are exactly the same

1879
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,320
because it's like it's universal
rule set.

1880
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,000
But the way that they, that's
cool, but the way that you write

1881
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,120
it is different.
That's interesting.

1882
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,160
Yeah, and what?
Does that do?

1883
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:34,080
What does that do?
And I know this because I was in

1884
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,880
school with them, right?
Israeli soldier in school with

1885
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,680
kids from Palestinian villages.
Wild.

1886
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,360
And we talked about it so.
Yeah, that they.

1887
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,360
Clashed together.
We do, we do this.

1888
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,200
And what is it?
They take a bunch of people who

1889
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,640
didn't finish their bugaboo, who
didn't finish their standardized

1890
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,480
testing here in Israel.
And with them are kids who went

1891
01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:58,760
through a full quality education
in Israel, are fully educated,

1892
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,400
but have no way of integrating.
They don't speak Hebrew and they

1893
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,160
don't have a correct, they can't
do math.

1894
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,560
So they come and spend a whole
year doing this fucking thing

1895
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,800
just so they can learn Hebrew
and learn how to do math in a

1896
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,360
different numeral system.
Okay.

1897
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,960
And then you're like, why?
Like these are smart kids?

1898
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,440
Yeah, they're smart kids.
And like some of them like, you

1899
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:20,240
know, are going doctors and and.
And for what?

1900
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,320
Just to keep them out of Israeli
society, right?

1901
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,760
Just to isolate them and make
sure that they never mix with

1902
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,400
this Israeli society, right.
So first step there is make sure

1903
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:29,720
either just don't give them
funding.

1904
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,160
You say, hey, you either teach,
right, the education system that

1905
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,320
we teach in Israel or don't take
money.

1906
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,280
Like that's fine.
You can you want to go to

1907
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:39,960
private school.
You're welcome to go to private

1908
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,920
school.
Like, I think there are inherent

1909
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,560
issues with that as well, like,
but at the very least the state

1910
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,480
shouldn't be like funding.
It's like a means for its own

1911
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:51,920
destruction, you know?
Yeah, it's crazy to do that.

1912
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,360
It's interesting.
But again, damned if you do,

1913
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:55,080
damned if you don't.
Yeah.

1914
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:56,320
Exactly.
What?

1915
01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:57,920
It's racist.
You're not funding these schools

1916
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,360
that are the Arab schools.
No, it just happens to be the

1917
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,760
Arab schools that are teaching.
Like, hey, by the way, go talk

1918
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,680
to these kids.
Very amicable, right?

1919
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,480
Like we studied together for a
year, we got along some of them

1920
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,240
or even like they're all
friendly.

1921
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:12,400
They're not nobody's not
friendly.

1922
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,280
They're like 1819 year old 17.
They're very nice.

1923
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,320
Like come with you in bed.
Cuties, but you don't.

1924
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,200
Talk to them about politics.
And they fully think you

1925
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,120
shouldn't be here.
Like, they just, they're not

1926
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:23,320
even.
They don't mince words about

1927
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:25,120
either.
They're like, yeah, we just

1928
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,400
think you should either.
You know, we don't want you to

1929
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:28,600
be here.
And we don't think the state of

1930
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,840
the show should exist, Right?
And they're in an Israeli

1931
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,760
institution and they're getting
an education fully paid for by

1932
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,920
the Israeli government.
And, you know, they're giving

1933
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,280
they're given opportunities
right to to study in this fairly

1934
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:44,040
high like academic institutes.
So we do this thing where we

1935
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,960
like kind of don't go anywhere.
We're like, OK, you can be a

1936
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,400
part of this other side of being
also hate us.

1937
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:55,040
You know, like there's a phrase,
you know, which is to say not

1938
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,200
from the honey and not from the
from the Stinger, OK, Like

1939
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,560
nothing.
It should either be you're here

1940
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,560
and you're with us and you're,
you know, like 100% or you're

1941
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,560
not with us.
That reminds me, like when I

1942
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,520
October 7th came around, I was
called up to reserves and I came

1943
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:12,360
back four months later to my lab
to discover that all the

1944
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,080
international students who were
a part of my program, who were

1945
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,720
part of my lab left.
And I was really torn.

1946
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:19,480
I was, yeah.
I was really upset about it.

1947
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,680
And.
But like, why would why wouldn't

1948
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:22,480
they leave?
Right.

1949
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,600
But like, for me, it's like, is
that the kind of friends that I

1950
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,320
want?
You know, like when it's a

1951
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,080
little bit hard, you know, I'm
busting my ass so that you could

1952
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:30,800
stay here.
Yeah, But you could continue

1953
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:31,520
living here.
Yeah.

1954
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,160
And you could just leave, you
know?

1955
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,200
Like for me, it was like, I hear
that.

1956
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:36,520
Yeah.
But I get it.

1957
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:37,960
Also, like you don't have
anything like.

1958
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,440
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're actually just

1959
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:44,280
talking about that yesterday.
We're talking about like going

1960
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,200
to business with friends and how
like it's almost, it's almost a

1961
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,920
not fair thing to do because
like you're essentially forcing

1962
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,200
yourself to make a decision
between a caring for yourself

1963
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,120
and your family or your
relationship, you know, and like

1964
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,360
going to.
Post it goes bad.

1965
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:57,960
Yeah, if it goes.
Bad.

1966
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,680
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, sure, you know and like,

1967
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,520
but you can.
Set it up beforehand so that you

1968
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:04,440
know, everything's very clear
and it's like, you know,

1969
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:09,080
there's.
Ways around but you know I'm a

1970
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:10,960
little skeptical when it comes
to that kind of thing I think

1971
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,280
that people become very
different when it comes to money

1972
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,360
I think that people are
different animals when it comes

1973
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,160
to money or business or yeah
you.

1974
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,800
Ever see Dave Chappelle?
You know what?

1975
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,360
It's so funny.
I love standing up.

1976
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:24,520
I never got too brilliant.
So he does a great, it's not

1977
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,040
Even so funny, but he just does
this like hour long sketch where

1978
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,440
he just sits and talks and gets
like, was it equanimity in the

1979
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:32,680
bird or I don't know, something
like that.

1980
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,360
And he tells us this really
great story there when he was

1981
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,800
young and he saw these guys
doing 5 card Monte doing a scam

1982
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:44,240
and he told people about it.
He's like, hey, they're just

1983
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,760
scaring.
And he tells how this guy grabs

1984
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,080
him, you know, and says to him,
never get between a man and his

1985
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,840
bread like, you know, like.
That's scary, dude.

1986
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:55,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

1987
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,480
And you know what, like it's
true.

1988
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,680
Yeah, like, you know, like yeah,
yeah, yeah, putting yourself in

1989
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,400
that situation with friends
where you're not sure how

1990
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,320
they're going to ramp.
It's like yeah, that's worried.

1991
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,600
So that was that, that so, so
for me, like the question of

1992
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,080
Israel and being in Israel and
helping, helping these guys,

1993
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,760
let's say going back and seven
Mikey, helping these guys like

1994
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,640
get ready for the army is a
practical question.

1995
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,640
It's like not even a, it's not a
philosophical question of like,

1996
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:25,680
you know, we Israel needs high
quality people in this country.

1997
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,560
They need people to serve in the
IDF.

1998
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,840
They need people afterwards to
be a part of Israel's society.

1999
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,400
And I, I think the state of
Israel needs to exist on a

2000
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,880
practical level for for Jews to
feel safe.

2001
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,520
And our enemies need to feel
that there's this thing that

2002
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,760
they can fixate on, you know,
like, otherwise, you know,

2003
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,800
imagine if the state of Israel
didn't exist.

2004
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,320
Yeah.
The extremism would still exist.

2005
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,680
And now it would just be who
would bear the brunt to that?

2006
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:52,640
You know, it would be The Who
would be the big bad Jews, you

2007
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,880
know, like the American Jews.
There'd be like some other

2008
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,760
French.
British whatever, right?

2009
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,240
Yeah.
Yeah, so, so for me it's like

2010
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,120
very much so you.
So, So the what do you call it?

2011
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,800
So the program integrates lone
soldiers, prepares them for the

2012
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:10,160
Army.
Yeah, we like give them a, we

2013
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,360
train them twice a week.
So essentially that's like

2014
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,840
simulation.
So we give for them for what

2015
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,640
basic training is gonna be like.
We're there.

2016
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,320
We give them kind of like we
explode.

2017
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:20,560
First of all, they have to be
keeper.

2018
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,920
So that's already like way out
of their comfort zone.

2019
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,040
Yeah, the instructors are not
nice.

2020
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,400
During the sessions.
We simulate what it'll be like

2021
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,680
to have a commander invasive
training.

2022
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,960
So, you know, do you flip?
Off after.

2023
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:34,880
Yeah, of course.
So.

2024
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,200
Like, yeah, that's a big.
Part of it sitting down, are

2025
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:38,440
you?
Fucking kidding me.

2026
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,520
I'm just kidding.
Dude stole the phone.

2027
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

2028
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,440
So.
After, that's a big part of what

2029
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:51,960
we do that I think some other
organizations aren't so good at,

2030
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:54,880
where it's like turning that
switch off and just being a

2031
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:59,000
person, a peer mentor that they
can talk to is is we found super

2032
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,080
important.
Like having that conversation,

2033
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:05,680
being hard as nails on them
during like, you know, expecting

2034
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:07,640
the world of them varying.
And then afterwards just being

2035
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,320
somebody they can talk to is
really, really important.

2036
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,520
I think that's just education.
We also like there's like a

2037
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,200
phrase and people are just
talking this fantasy.

2038
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,000
There's the time for jokes and
there's the time for work, Like

2039
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,440
yeah, yeah, yeah.
So for us, it's very important

2040
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:20,920
that our instructors have that
ability.

2041
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,520
I think in general, as an
educator, you should have that

2042
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,200
ability.
You should know to put those for

2043
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,680
boundaries.
It's just good practice.

2044
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,400
You know, like you're in class,
you know, all good.

2045
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,120
You know, you're friendly with
the kid and but you can't just,

2046
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,680
you know, make make trouble
because you're friendly.

2047
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,160
Yeah.
As a parent, same thing.

2048
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:38,040
Yeah.
Like there's teacher.

2049
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:38,880
Same thing.
Yeah, you.

2050
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,520
Kids need to understand like,
OK, like, hey, you know, there's

2051
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,040
times where you can wrestle and
fight and yell and there's times

2052
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,840
where you just got to chill.
Like, you know, like it's a.

2053
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:49,760
It's a hard thing to teach.
It's a nuance.

2054
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,680
It's it's, it's subtle, right?
Right.

2055
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,920
And some kids don't have that
from their frameworks back at

2056
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:54,200
home.
Yeah.

2057
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,080
Then they meet it here.
They're like, why is this guy

2058
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:57,120
being an asshole?
Yeah.

2059
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,600
And we got to pull them over and
be like, I'm trying to teach

2060
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:00,520
you, fucker.
Like, shut up.

2061
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:03,520
Like, like, I'm here for you,
dude.

2062
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,320
I think I'm forward like, yeah,
I don't want to be here.

2063
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:09,360
You're my wife.
Like, you know, like yeah, yeah,

2064
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,680
it's very that's us a really
important and we force them to

2065
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,920
do this is like be self
critical.

2066
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,000
You know, don't just be like,
oh, I didn't want to you know,

2067
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,160
like, you know, if you quit out,
if you if you're if you like

2068
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,080
stop doing something, if you
said you can't do something like

2069
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:25,280
why?
You know, it's not just like

2070
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,360
because you know, don't just be
reactive, Don't be the don't

2071
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,240
just be an animal that's
reacting to whatever.

2072
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,760
Like, think about it for a
second, understand what caused

2073
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:37,040
you to fail there, what caused
you to succeed and what you can

2074
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,040
really gain from it.
And then we find like, really

2075
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:41,720
good outcomes.
But I feel like that's also

2076
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,640
really hard to know.
Am I doing good?

2077
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,760
It's so easy to just have people
tell you you're doing good, but

2078
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,680
never really know if you're
actually having a positive

2079
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:52,440
impact.
Yeah, of.

2080
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:56,360
Course, you have to give honest
feedback so that when you give

2081
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,600
good feedback it means
something, right?

2082
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,480
It's not even that.
It's like there's a fine line

2083
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:08,200
between giving people tools and
giving people, making people

2084
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:12,000
overconfident, especially when
it comes to drafting to a

2085
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,000
foreign military.
So we see it like, like very

2086
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,360
quickly.
But I don't want anybody going

2087
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:23,600
through my program, finishing my
program, drafting to the IDF and

2088
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,680
thinking that they're ready for
the for what they're about to

2089
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:26,920
do.
Yeah, I don't want that.

2090
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,840
I want them to be on their toes
and humble and, like aware

2091
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:35,160
themselves so that when they get
there, they're like, all right,

2092
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,960
I just worked really hard, but
like, I got a lot of work to do

2093
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:38,480
now.
Yeah.

2094
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:39,320
Of.
Course forward.

2095
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,760
So just set them up just.
Stop the mentality.

2096
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,800
Get you ready for what's?
Coming ahead, there's a lot of

2097
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,400
programs.
Am I going to point any fingers,

2098
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:51,720
like kind of give participants
this false understanding that

2099
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,680
they're like ready, Like I'm
really hard.

2100
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,280
You know, I did really hard
things, like physically hard

2101
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:57,480
things.
So now I'm good to go.

2102
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,240
And then I feel like that's the
worst because then they come in,

2103
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,200
they're like, I'm so fucking
hard.

2104
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:04,400
I can do anything.
Yeah.

2105
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,760
And these Israelis are bitches
and they can't do shit.

2106
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,840
You know, Israelis like and it's
true.

2107
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:14,760
It's a conscript army, so and
they Israeli can't do anything.

2108
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,480
And I'm so prepared and they're
so under prepared.

2109
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,520
And then what you end up having
is just like I who just doesn't

2110
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,680
get along with anybody.
Yeah, maybe they're physically

2111
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,520
like a stud and they can do
whatever, but like, everybody

2112
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,360
hates them and they hate
everybody else.

2113
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,480
And then they don't mess.
Yeah, they don't succeed.

2114
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:31,960
Wow.
It's like I maybe jumped a few

2115
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:33,640
steps there in the, in the
logical.

2116
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,440
No, I hear, I hear.
I hear, I hear.

2117
01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:38,400
But that's just.
An example, and I'm sure, yeah,

2118
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,280
you would as an educator can
also think of examples of things

2119
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:47,280
that maybe you're doing that I
might like, maybe give your

2120
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,960
students might be helpful, but
then you're maybe not so sure

2121
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,560
like what the actual outcomes
are.

2122
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,400
For example, like, hey, take a
day off, you know, you know,

2123
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,600
yeah, could be helpful and it
could.

2124
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,840
Not be right, you would have to.
Check right you have to like.

2125
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,480
Go a year.
Later and look back and see

2126
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:03,000
like, OK, what were the grades
like and how did that work out

2127
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:08,480
for me?
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.

2128
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:11,640
It's awesome program, dude.
It's awesome idea.

2129
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,280
It's really cool.
Yeah, yeah.

2130
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,400
Set up my game.com, check it
out.

2131
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:19,840
Yeah, go into okay, dude.
Let's call it here just because

2132
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:21,800
everybody's up, everyone's up
and about.

2133
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:24,800
There's tons of fun, yeah.
This is long.

2134
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,240
This is shit out.
Yeah, dude.

2135
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,280
There's more I want to even get
to, but we're not going.

2136
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,200
I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's okay, we'll get to

2137
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,800
the next time, but this is a lot
of fun, dude.

2138
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,240
We should.
We'll do it again, I hope.

2139
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:36,480
I would love to.
I'd love.

2140
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,920
To and when you have proper
mics, we have.

2141
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,040
Proper mics, Yeah, I'll do.
How about this?

2142
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:45,840
I'll get a proper mic if we're,
if we're doing it on the phone,

2143
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,960
if you have a proper mic too.
So our audio call is OK.

2144
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,680
Yeah, I'll do it.
OK, dude, thanks so much for

2145
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:53,520
doing this.
It's a lot of fun.

2146
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,160
All right, Bye everyone.