#106: Mendy Isseroff

0:01 Welcome to another episode of Come Together, Miss Congeniality. Hey. Hi. Thanks for coming, dude. Thanks for doing this, Mandy. Yeah, we've been. I think we listened to that song 4 different times yesterday with four different artists. Ike Cantino, Ike Cantina, Turner, Credence, and there's another one, I think, but hey. Are you to cover this is like. I am on.

0:41 I love her. Yeah. I love cover because it's fun. There's a little twist. When you hear a song that you've heard before and then you're like, oh, this is cool. Like, yeah, I never thought about it. Yeah. What are some what are some covers that that are your favorite covers? So I guess we're kind of starting me on the cover journey was like Imagine Dragons did Blank Space OK by Taylor Swift. Cool. That's fun, yeah. Actually, it's really good. It's really, really good. And since then, any opportunity that I have, you're covered. But it can't be that you just took the song and just sang it in a different place like those covers. I'm like, well, the first one was really gay. That's why I listen to you.

1:25 Come up with the reason you come up with the reason to listen to to to the cover. Yeah, the cover, right. For sure. Yeah, yeah. It's it's doesn't fun to see because I feel like when when a band covers another band, they come it shows the musical roots, Yeah. You know, And so like, it's cool to see when like someone covers like Metallica will cover this like 60s all female pop band, you know, just around, you know, like like what? Like like cool. Like I love it. Like it's fun. I don't know. This guy Mig Locky on YouTube. I don't know if I'm always mentioned names. So no, sure, of course, yeah. And so he does, yeah, people will send him requests. But he does like covers of songs, but singing it as if he was the band. So he'll get one song and they're like, sing it as if it was, I don't know, Metallica. Oh yeah, cool.

2:10 As if it was just to move it down or something. That's good. He's great. Yeah. It's really, really good. That sounds so funny. Nothing so much fun. Yeah. And then like the Grateful Dead were normally pretty much just like they start with just the cover bands. And when they when they first got a record deal, the record company didn't want to give them. The record company was like, you don't want to give them a deal. They're like, we went to your concerts and you don't sing any of your own songs. And they're like, yeah, but like, we play our own way. Like, we play music going away. Not too alike about it, you know? And that's what they did. Yeah, I remember there's a few bands and now like, it's funny that you say that. I guess maybe that's like a thing that people do because like there's a band called I Prevail, which I started listening to on Spotify, but why? I listen to them because of their covers, right? But now I listen to their Apple songs, right? And I'm like, oh, they got great vocals. You know, the the the guitarist is very like, I like the bassy drum that they have going on and you just kind of go into it. Yeah.

3:10 So I wonder if that's like an approach? It is. It's something I that's the way I got into the way for Ted to begin with was that there was this. So I was into Springsteen. I was a Springsteen nut for years, years, years. I think I overdid a little bit because I can't listen anymore. Bruce Springsteen, like, so I've never, I've never got into his music. Yeah, but I feel like everybody was like. Yeah, there's very, there's, there's very few people that are like in the middle about Springsteen. You know, people either love him or they're like, ah, he's fine. But so he has a song called Atlantic City and and the band covers it and I was like, that's cool. And then I came across a band called Joe Roos was almost dead, which is a good, good with that cover band and and they were covering Atlantic City too.

3:58 And I was like, Oh, this is cool. Like taking like a 5 minutes, a 4 minute song and they're jamming it out to, you know, 8-9 minutes. It's awesome. And then I said I'm going and I was like, wait a minute, this is great for that. This is great for that music. It's so weird, man. Especially because like all the all the cover art was always so weird and so like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, funky, you know, so strange dude, I was like off putting on us. So we so that's what so that's got me started on with that to begin with. But so yeah, covers are fun and I think they're I think they're really cool. So yes. Nobody knows what song we're even talking about to begin with. Yeah, dude, right from people know my music, my students, my students have like roll their eyes. I try to show them like it's so funny because I teach them a couple times.

4:46 Like they're very religious right wing school and these kids aren't doing homework. They're not going home and reading The Great Gatsby, you know, so like. So maybe under the covers tonight I. Can ask them to but like I think that. What do they can do on actually? I'm curious. Just like kids sit like kids that air like you out there on the phones, right? But in imagine in an ultra orthodox school like they're not. They're not right. Amazing. So what are they doing? What it's like. They're at school a lot. If they're not reading and they're not on their phones, they're at school a lot, yeah. They're at school a lot. They're in school from like 8 to like 7-8 o'clock, maybe 8:30 every day, you know?

5:28 Then they get home. It usually takes half the time to get home to eat dinner and they literally like probably hang out for an hour and go to bed. Wow, they don't have a ton of free time and I don't think there's. 30 you said sorry. Yeah. Wow. OK. Yeah, 7:30 between 7:30 and 8:30, depending on whether or not there's night seder or learning at night. And it's, I think we do it on purpose. I think that you, you provide a lot of structure and there's not a lot of space for deviation. And I actually think that there's something to be said for that for sure. As long as within that structure that you're in, there's enough room for them to like, have their own fake time and self, you know, do. They have electives and things like that. Do you want Fridays OK. And the cut Listen, English classes are not I have the all the creative, all the freedom I want with my with my what do you syllabus, you know, whatever. Yeah.

6:17 So I think that the teachers that they hire, they give opportunities to just teach whatever the teacher's interested in. Great. Yeah. Which is probably, you know, I mean, out of all the things you could learn, it's a great method to get a teacher to teach. Well, it's like, hey man, just teach what you're interested in and like, oh, like, yeah, I'll. Be I'll be generous like I'm sure for population, it's true that like there are some people who are very motivated. I grew up, I grew up ultra with that. So for me, I had some really amazing teachers like you're describing, but it but it was not that norm. It was the exception, right? It was like a teacher who taught us. He was teaching, he was teaching another class. He was teaching a grade above me and I was kicked out of class because I was just not too.

7:06 I was just I was bored. So so he said go sit in his class because he couldn't keep me in the hallway. They didn't want to keep me in the hallway at that point. And I so I went to Sydney's class and I was sitting in and I'm answering questions and I'm like, engaged in a lesson. And he's like, who's this kid? Like, so after class, he comes over to me and he like, you know, he reaches out to my mom. And they stayed in touch with us for years after that. Really. Yeah. Because he was like, OK, well, poor kid. Like, yeah. He's what? Class is it? What he. So it's like an English teacher and a teacher, right? It wasn't like, yeah, yeah. So he taught anything. Yeah. I forgot about that.

7:47 Yeah, we agreed with that then that. Would that would be that was 6th grade. Yeah, I was in 6th grade and I went to the 7th grade class to sit in. And then the next year my mother, I guess with his suggestion and another family friend moved me to Yeshiba Flatbush, like from it was I was in the Toshiba Ocean Parkway. Cool. Yeah, hopefully I could see, but the school didn't. It was, it was wild because they were doing their best, but the school like, did not have a budget. And they just kind of, they had the building, but like there was no heating in the classrooms. It was like holes in the yeah, yeah. It was in the winter, you'd wear a coat like, you know, and there were holes in the ceiling. It's like because there was no like, you know, the ceilings have like tiles in them. So there were just none.

8:30 They took him out. They fell at some point, whatever. So it's just this skeleton of a building. You're learning it. You know this. Is a good school I went. I mean, they did their best, you know? That's the perfect way of putting it, like they did their best. I hope they did their best man. I, I let's play like this. How bad? How bad. Kids are very independent. And there's a reason for it. Like they come out of that system very, very independent. Yeah. For better for worse, you know. Yeah, what do you think of the system? Of like Shabbat system.

9:12 Wow. So for that, I think as an organization does amazing work for basically 90% of the Jewish world. Like anybody who needs, you know, go, go to the middle of nowhere, you'll find a Fabbat house. Growing up within that framework, it was very challenging for me. And I know for a lot of other people in my generation, it was like we were the Vulture of a generation. So all our parents found Fabbat was doing a great job. You know, Manafa Mendel Arabi was alive and he's had this huge influence on the world. And a lot of people were drawn to Kabad because of that. So then and then those people had kids and they didn't really know what being religious meant, like growing up religious because they didn't grow up religious. But they had this idea that, like, their kids have to kind of make up for all of the lost time that they had. Yeah, Yeah.

10:04 Your kids like an extension of your life, and you want them to compensate for what you get a chance to do. Yeah. Yeah, yes, like live vicariously, right. So, so they're like, well, I made this mistake. I don't want my child to make this mistake. And so a lot of times they tended to overcompensate in the in the wrong direction. And so you have a lot of people in my generation who ended up moving away. Like, I think have a group, have an affinity for Judaism. Don't not necessarily hold a grudge against Judaism, but just moved away from. Yeah, that world. Yeah. Yeah. Khabad, it's an organization. Great. I mean, like anything that, you know, where we can have a network of Jews that help other Jews and see things good around the world in general.

10:46 Yeah. What's what's bad about that? You know, Yeah. Well, philosophically, in terms of like. Oh, it's a second Christianity. But like the, like the, like the Messianic, like the. Messianic aspects of like actually about like, like what it takes to what it takes to be able to raise a generate, raise a generation of individual leaders and just send them around the world has to come from like some kind of educational or deep seated, you know, roots. Yeah, it's a good question, so. I, I create strong perspective Kabat Kabat Klan guys have men and incredible personalities, incredible determination of resilience in general.

11:37 And I think that some of that, a lot of that's natural, but I think a lot of it is education like talk I feel like, right? There's like a lot of philosophy that comes from the world of Hasidou it that I really connect to like on a personal self growth kind of level where going to go, you know, these concepts of like mind, mind and heart and kind of like this dual humanity, which I don't know if they I could say true or laugh. One of the Enlightenment, honestly, like in terms of the philosophical like concepts that we had. I mean, there's like a really rich history of Jewish philosophy that that that like the Hasidou it as a as a as it exists today. But, and I'm not an expert on it, so I will get into it, but I wrote like a few things I really connected to with this idea of like the mind controls the heart and and you know, in case you do it, it's kind of like this idea.

12:28 They have all these stories, right of like, you know, oh, this guy was being questioned and he, you know, knew that he had to stay calm. And so like he was able to keep his pulse low. Just the, you know, like that kind of thing, but also this idea that you have within you these tool doing like fighting entities. One of them is the more highly in the biological terms would be like the highly evolved parts of your brain and the lizard brain, the more primitive aspects or the instinct and the human aspects of who you are. And that the goal in situ isn't to destroy the more primitive aspects of of your of your identity, but to Co opt them into serving God, right, right, right. So, so maybe not in the serving God. So if you're going.

13:21 To have to eat anyway, you may as well do it in a way that is more conscious, intentional, elevated, right like, and you could eat anyway, but it's better to be more. Yeah, or like the idea of like, hey, if you're hungry before davening each like. You know, like you're going to let you focus. Yeah, exactly. If that's what's going to help you serve God, then go do that. Like don't ignore, you know, don't be like, I'm just not going to eat and I'm just going to starve, you know, Like, yeah, like go eat and then go daven. Like, what's wrong? But you know, makes sense. So for me by I really like taking that and moving it into like your own personal life where you have like, I don't know, all kinds of, you know, aggression, sexual drive, all these things, laziness, right?

14:09 This is the worst deal, I mean. But laziness is such a good evolutionary thing. Why? Because it conserves energy. Because you're. So yeah, did you know you have a gene in your body during development that limits muscle growth? That limits muscle growth, limits muscle growth, OK, right. Why? Why? Why would that be the case? Because you. Don't need that much muscle because you don't need that much muscle. And what people that, that have mutations in this gene, essentially what happens is they're born depending on the, on the severity of the mutation, whether it's one or two copies of their gene. They're born with enormous muscle that they just the babies, babies are born with muscles. Animals. This is true for all mammals, like animals that are born with this enormous muscles, right?

14:50 But it's very wasteful, right? Like it looks cool, but the most important thing like 1000 years ago was energy conservation, right? You needed to be as, as good as you need to be for your environment, but no more. And that's true like now, right? So your brain, that's how your brain's wired. I'm gonna put it as much energy as I need to put in for like what I need to do to survive, But then doing extra is like almost it's bad. It would be bad. It would be bad, right? You'd be wasting a ton of energy and effort on on things that you guys have the energy to. What you get sick? From that, your body breaks down exactly. Exactly. And you wouldn't have enough food for it, literally. So undoing these like things, you know they were right. Or let's say anxiety, right?

15:39 That's like anxiety. Definitely has a phenomenal of illusionary purpose, right? Like development consciousness or like awareness? I guess the cost. Of being wrong, you know, is up here, right, Like that really high, right? Yeah, yeah. The cost of being right is marginal, right? Like sometimes it'll be good, but it's never going to be so big. But like, you're really wrong once you're dead. Yeah. Yeah. So in that sense, anxiety is great. But yeah, every, like everybody should have a little bit of anxiety, yeah. Totally, totally. It's a tool exists for a reason. If your family gets out of hand or when it causes, you know, stomach flow, what do you call it? Is that me talking? The anxious?

16:21 The anxious poops, You know, that's a little bit less evolutionarily useful life. And nobody. Is because then your body's like hey, I don't know what's gonna happen in 10 minutes I gotta poop right now right You know like I don't want to leave I don't want to chasing me yeah yeah. It's like, let's empty the system out, yeah. Did you hear that? PWPS pre wedding poops pre wedding poops yeah anytime you like get a little anxious you're you know your fighter flight kicks in you're like all right any doubt the system let's so interesting. I don't. Know that that's cool. So is this? Is this stuff you're studying now? Is this? So. So yeah. It's good your education, your your education. Hi, buddy.

17:03 My name's Mendy. We need to. Do that part, yeah. I'm 30 years old. I moved here, I move. I'm currently living in Israel and a whole, but I'm studying. I'm doing a PhD now in cellular biochemistry. Yeah, I have a master's in biochemistry and my undergraduates in biomedical science. But like, throughout my scientific career, which is still in its infancy, I've been very interested in evolutionary stuff. So how you can use evolution to understand basically anything? And for me specifically, aging. And so I'd like to look at aging in the lens of evolution, but also.

17:51 How do you do that? What's an example of? Jeez, how do you do that? So for example, if you want to understand like why animals die at the age that they do, right? Like let's say throughout life, wait, let's go back to your original question, because your original question was, do you think that's a bad? We'll get there. Do you think that's a bad does something special to train their guys? So I think what they're doing essentially is they're just training to be disciplined, right? Be disciplined. But that's one of the most important. Things you can teach someone, yeah. Be disciplined and be a not a leader, but be a Yosem. Be a what is it called? Wow.

18:35 I thought leaders. Yeah, that's what they do. It created. Leaders, but it's. It's, I guess leadership is a part of it. Yeah. Being the ones you see like representatives Yosem is to be Lizom is to what? No, it's like if you created a startup or be entrepreneurial essentially. OK. Got you. Yeah. So like be. Entrepreneurs go go be. Entrepreneurs go, you know, but honestly, like, you're the guy you're seeing at the Hubbot house. There were 100 people competing for that spot, right. Yeah. It's not like a trivial thing when they choose very carefully. Yeah. Who they said where it's not. It didn't happen by accident. Yeah. The most charismatic, most intelligent, you know, guy ended up in, in California, you know, like. There's the guy in Wyoming really think. About OK, who's the group of people that this guy needs to appeal to, right?

19:28 Yeah, and you can tell for sure based on the community where you're going. Like I, my grandmother lives in Aspen part of the year, you know, and the and the show from there are very, very different than something Binghamton, NY, you know. I mean, it's it's a different. Language. Right. Yeah. Like it's Antonio that they that they had that part of their job is to appeal to the crowd that they're that they're living in, you know, and you always have to be at least publicly facing a chameleon, you know, in that kind of sense, because you you're trying to be relatable. You have to. You the guys who are really, really like, you know, you have different bad guys, you have your community of people who come by and you guys speak a certain language with them and then you got your, your like your less affiliated community. You need your. Own family and you have. Your ways you're.

20:09 Trying to educate? See. Exactly a different whole story in in them. So I think they really they have a large selection process. There are a lot of bodies also just end up staying in coal and you know. And learning in. The Crown Heights and they don't end up going and doing all this. The, the people you end up staying there in the Hubbat houses are really entrepreneurs who probably could have, you know, opened up Fortune 500 companies or, you know, really, really big exits if they had gotten other opportunities. But this is the opportunity they were given. And I think it's fine, you know, I feel. Like it's a better opportunity. I feel like it's a better way to spend a life. Yeah, I'll, I'll not get into the better or worse. I think it's all the same, essentially, like, I mean, all the same.

20:51 So my own philosophy on this, I'm going to get beyond recording now saying this. Like for me, I'm a biologist. So it's, and I very much think about things in like an evolutionary biology sense, you know what an evolutionary biologist cares about. Like when I look at nature, like, what's the marker for success that an evolutionary biologist uses? It's called fitness, OK Fitness is the ability for an Organism to reproduce yes, that's the only marker essentially for success in nature, right? An Organism evolution. Biologists are not shy about saying this, right? And it becomes awkward when you talk about let's say human reproductive diseases. And then it's a hard topic to talk about, Right. But from a, from an objective biological perspective, like, you know, if you, if an Organism cannot reproduce, then that Organism is useless to evolution.

21:38 Yeah. It's not. What are you gonna do with this thing now? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter how strong it is, how good looking it is, how, you know, people have a very interesting and very sad diseases of, of, of chromosomes, where like X&Y chromosomes will get mixed up. And then there'll be these beautiful models like, you know, tall, like really, really beautiful looking people, intelligent, funny, like there's nothing wrong with them as a human. They're beautiful human, but they cannot be produced. They cannot have kids. And so like discussions and it's like a hard topic to talk about because this, this, you know, we as humans don't want to think of ourselves as just like reproducing, like animals.

22:22 Yeah. We have greater meaning and purpose to our lives. And we like to ascribe that to, to ourselves, like we found other reasons to live. Yeah. From a biological perspective. Well. Can you even say though, that one lifestyle would be more, would be more likely to create the environment that reproduction occurs as opposed to other? Meaning you could say that part of what drives, let's say part of the goal of religion, hypothetically being is to continue driving life and reproduction, right. And so the entire, all the communities are evolved around that. And so by entering that kind of world, you're objectively entering that kind of, you know, biologic, biological world where you are giving yourself the belt.

23:07 Yeah. The best chance to succeed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, so I definitely just see it as strategies, right. And I think this one can also inform how you approach different cultures, different ideas, right? Like at the end of the day, there's no better and worse necessarily. There's what works. And I think, let's say this can also be an argument for why, you know, ethics and morals can exist outside the framework of a strictly religious framework, right? Right. Where it doesn't like it can also be true that God told you these things and that they're true because there's a higher power that believes them to be true and and wants you to do those things. But it can also be true that just some of these strategies are very destructive and just like ultimately lead to the downfall of the civilization that that holds these strategies. Yeah, right.

23:52 And and that like don't murder is is true because like, then if everybody's just murdering, like you can see it in nature, why don't bears, what is the most dominant bear just won't kill all the other bears, you know, like, right, Because it's just not good for the species. Like it's a it's a bad strategy and it's. And it's we're good and we do it if it. Were good for the species, then it would go. Ahead and do it it would. Do it. But there's but again, that's a universal truth that it would never be good, right, right. For the species to for, for that individual to go and kill all those things. And it let's say he had some weird freaking nature that did that and killed all the bears, right. And then his kids are also going to go and kill all the bears, right. And then what's going to happen? No more bears, You know, like, so, so in that sense, like these are kind of self, self enforcing rules that. Yeah.

24:35 That's our figure, but we. Can also pick up on them and say hey like they might be divine right in the in the sense that they are part of the fabric of what reality. Is of life. Yes, correct. That's, that's what I believe, yeah. That's what I believe. I believe that oneness, you know, when you say like God is 1, you know, Shema, you know, I think that big as a big component of that is that oneness is the interconnectedness of like reality, you know, and, and the value and the values that and and and critical values are emergent of that, of that oneness, you know, and then and then our and it was something that like religion supposed to be the evolution of consciousness. I believe that like it's like, you know, like there's evolution and physical evolution.

25:21 There's also, and that's why I, you know, think one religion is necessarily more right than another all the time by any means. But I think that the goal of it is to say, like you said, we have like, yeah, like, you know, the Chabad philosophy would be at least Do you have this kind of primal Dr. Shabami? Right. Exactly. And then you have your. Soul. And then you have, you know, and and then you have, well, does it need to be done this way? And now that we live in XY and Z world, does this apply the same way? Right, like we say, but anxiety, right? Like, yes, it was an incredible evolutionary tool, applying it in the case where you're walking on the street and you don't want to ask cashier how to get to, you know, in the supermarket how to get to where you're going for a meal. You know it's not a very useful function, you know. So that's I found super interesting when you think about like attract people who are attractive, OK. And how that like relates.

26:23 So in almost every Western country today, No, Yeah, almost every Western country, let's say Israel is an exception. There are rare countries that have an exception to this. The reproductive rate is of below 2 meaning per woman. So if you take all the women that exist in that country that are upgrading age of the above, the age of 18, five. Breeding age. I'm sorry, breeding age. I'm in the age of 18 and can't have 20. 100 Prime reading age of breeding age. No, This is why I actually get themselves in trouble, because he, like I'm trying to describe the answer. No, I don't mean it bad I I don't. Think, I don't think anyone would think that. Like, yeah, it's pretty clear at least at least from who I'm sitting. It's something that. No, because you know what also of breeding gates can be like 12 like yeah, it's not what I mean probably some of the statisticians who are doing this also are looking at. But anyways, you take these women and you look at how many kids has each woman had and they like for most countries of the women who could eventually have kids, like it's below 2, right? So each woman on average is having less than two kids. That means it's less than replacement because it takes a another human to make that kid.

27:29 So in most countries, like the population is ageing, right, I think. Japan's having that problem, right inverse. What Japan's having. That problem I think almost. Every Western country today has that problem where you have an inverse pyramid where like there's a lot of on the top of the pyramid, there's a lot of old people. And then as you go down, it kind of tapers off. And then you have very few young people, right? There's a lot of, like, demographic issues with, like, issues within and. Right, like economic issues. Yeah. But one of them that I thought is one of the things that I think might be contributing, which I find super interesting, is this, how much weight we put on how attractive people are today, right? Like, you can make money being attractive, right? You can now the original purpose of being attractive is it's a it's a form of what's called sexual selection. And I might be saying something controversial and there's somebody who knows about sexual selection is going to be very upset.

28:19 But essentially because these fields are also very. Competitive, it's good. They they, they like you have these conversations and you talk about things. The ideas aren't fully, you know, like in stone, but you can think of evolution as being divided into within the species, within the individuals of the species and then out and then the with like for the individuals out. So a tiger hunting a person would be natural selection and then two people competing for the same woman would be sexual selection, right? And then the parameters are different, right? Because in some senses, like the natural selection is much more of an objective marker and sexual selection can be very subjective, right?

29:04 Like, peacock's feathers are an example attraction, right? It's all the sexual selection stuff is supposed to be costly. Like, it's supposed to indicate to whoever's looking at you that this person has good genes or is good metabolism or is getting good food or whatever, you know, like, or, you know, has a good family, whatever. You know, if somebody grows up and they don't have scars and, you know, they're like, then you're like, oh, OK. Like, they probably went through a pretty good childhood. You know, I feel like we have. That socially too, right, like we have social indications that like of someone that'd be quote UN quote fitting, you know, for that's what confidence is, right.

29:45 When people say confidence is a really attractive trait, sure. You know, it's like, I'm sure that applies the same way anything. That would, that is, no, there's not objective right confidence. Nature doesn't care how confident you are. You know, like tigers don't care how confident you are, but another person would. Like I was also. Confident, obviously. That confidence serves a purpose in terms of sexual selection that you know, they would say that you are, that you are. I don't use the word confident again, but sure of yourself. Sure. Sure of your ability. About you and to handle the. Future and to handle the future and to handle potential conflicts and and that you will be a a source of stability. Yeah, you know that people, That's what people want. Exactly.

30:30 Exactly so in that same that's you're exactly right. You so you understand the concept. Yeah, yeah, perfect. So in that sense, being attractive is also a very is a is a form that, you know, we easily look at somebody will be like, oh, that one looks attractive. You know, probably be a good mom, you know, probably a good dad. It might be true. I mean, not true, but that's how we do it. And then you have people now, so, so people who are attractive reproduced, right? Like, or generally like had some, some benefit to reproduction, right? And, and, but it's become, it's come to the point now where like people are so attractive and there's so much value on being attractive that they don't want to have babies. And people like, you know, like there's people who are like, I don't want to have kids anymore because I don't want to ruin my body or I don't want to ruin my looks. And then it's like, well, the only reason you got here, the only reason you're pretty today is because for 100,000 years, you know, people thought your ancestors are attractive and that's why you exist.

31:27 But it's gotten to the point where it's like, oh, it's invert. It's it's reverted, you know. So what's the content like? What? Follow this down the line. What happens? Yeah, it's. A good question. So I mean, attractive people are still having kids, right? But but it's just an so I don't know what the implications of it would be necessarily. You could maybe somebody who's a little younger than me in their scientific group might be saying, well, in a in 100 years, you're not going to be any more attractive people anymore. It's it's hard to say what the implications are because these systems are so complex. Or do you think it's going to be like a choice, I guess like what do you think of like gene modification?

32:07 Yeah, wow. So like I'm personally aiming towards the future where like we have complete autonomy over our evolutionary faith. Like that's my goal. Like that's on a personal level. And this stems from a desire to like live very long. And so if you live very long, you have to be able to adapt to an environment classically. And this comes back to your discussion about your what you mentioned before about societies. So there's what we call emerging properties. I'll come back to the question, I promise. OK, it ties in. So there's like these emerging systems, right? So societies, let's say, are a kind of evolutionary being right there, Unit of selection, you can call it. Now classically, evolution works on the reproduction. So natural selection works on a unit of selection. You're a unit of selection.

32:58 Every living Organism is a unit of selection. And then based on your traits, you either survive and reproduce or die, right? And then don't reproduce and then over time, like statistically, you pick the most adapted. So the same is true for societies, right? Like societies live and die based on their environment and right. And we each individual is like kind of like the cell, you know, in a body. So we all contribute in our own unique ways to societies. But societies don't reproduce, right? Like they don't, they persist like the measure. Well, they. Persist through production, I guess. Part of the two stories, two ideas, but it's. Persistence of a concept and not necessarily like iterative.

33:42 It's not an iterative process. Yes, yes. Yes, so. So in that sense, societies are kind of like the next evolutionary step or a different approach to evolution, right? Where up until now the name of the game was reproduction and adjustment. But these societies have found like this concept, right? Have found a way to evolve without ever reproducing, right? Just kind of like persisting and changing, you say society you're. Talking about like a country like America. Are you talking about like a country like Israel, right. So it's it's. It's hard to pin down, but I would say like an idea or are you talking about? Religions like, you know, like, 'cause it can. Be a religion, for example, it can be right now nationalism, right? So the United States it could be.

34:22 Planetaryism. Actually, it could be that planet Earth. It's like society, you know? Exactly. So it's just this ideas that exist that more than one person believes in, or even just one person believes in, right? And they compete for space in your brain, right? They compete for you. You're the resource. And you're also like, you're the tool that perpetuates, right? And and so that like, yeah, I see societies what it it's just so you're going to lose. An individual over time. I mean, your cells don't know, you know, like their cells are not an individual, right? They all contribute to the greater good, which is you, which is you existing. And each individual cell would never be able to achieve what? A full human. Yeah, but each. Individual cell is a conscious as far as we know by the. Way.

35:11 And my head just almost exploded as those words came out of my house because I'm like, what if they are? Like, what is everything? Yeah. You want to go. Down that hole, yeah, look up, look up at agency. And like the whole that whole concept didn't, it's not clear, right? There's no reason to assume that it isn't. I can show. You a video of your white blood cells moving through your body. Yeah. And you? Want to you can tell me if they're making decisions or not right? But to me, it looks like they're right. They're, I mean, and then you can explain when they're moving on chemical gradients and they're kind of like moving on this predetermined path. But then it's like, OK, let's. Yeah, that's that's the difference. So are we. You know, so that's a good question. Wow. That's crazy. I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but dude, reality has already been like I feel like so slippery the last like couple of last year or two anyway, yeah, that like I can't like I can't go down more of these ragged holes, man. Everything is is too crazy for me. So in terms of.

36:10 What I think about genetic engineering, yeah. And coming back to it. So in that sense, if you have an idea or let's say, a discrete quantity of information that persists over time and is able to adjust itself dynamically to its environment in the same way that, let's say, Judaism has persisted for thousands of years. And we see, you know, Ashkenazi infrared Judaism and now Zionistic Judaism and these adaptations to to the environment. And so if, let's say, I'm really interested in making people live really long, like I, I want people to live, you know, as long as they want to live, give them agency over the decision to die, essentially. That's crazy. Yeah.

36:52 Like it's very far. I mean. We. Assume are you when you say to live as long that what how is quality of like including quality of life Yeah means like I'm gonna be 130 and just walking around like I'm like I'm 70 yeah. So you're asking like the question. First of all, if you did that, that would be amazing, right? There's. Some 70. Year olds who are really high quality of life, Yeah. So we have to even differentiate further. Like there are 70 year olds who are, you know, really, really high functioning, and then there are 70 year olds who are bedridden. Yeah. So that's. Called in the field that's called health span. That's like or frailty, right?

37:33 You can call it that. So frailty is a, is a, is a index. It's like a number that you can, you can apply to any person who lives now. And it's based on some set of parameters. And, and so some people have higher frailty. It means they're closer to dying essentially, or you're like less mobile, whatever. There's a lot of different things that could be. And then low frailty is like usually high functioning. So you want to have somebody ideally who, what they look like is their frailty is very low and then their lifespan is very high, right? Like, so they, they stay healthy over the, over a long period of time. And then eventually when they decide they don't want to live anymore or some rock falls out of the sky, you know, they die. But like, until that point, they're fully functional. They're cognitively functional.

38:18 Like they're, you know, part of society and they're contributing and they're don't. Why would you? Not want to check out at that point, yeah. I This is a conversation I had with a lot of people. A lot of. People, I feel like the only reason I'd ever want to check out is if I'm just if my body fails me and my mind fails me, I'm like, well, there's hopefully really being here anymore like. Yeah. It's. I think you take a viewpoint that I mostly hear from the elderly, which is like, I want to continue living. I'm good. Like my mind's good. I want to go. Yeah, but then young people kind of are more idealistic or romantic about it because they don't have to live through the reality of your body failing around you. And they're like, no, death is good and people should die. And I want to get old, I think. That is good too. I don't disagree right, so far as anything is good and bad, but like it serves a purpose.

39:02 It serves a purpose and right, yeah. I love are you elaborate on that This is OK Yeah yeah, I understand I it's good because it helps to understand the way you're thinking about this. Yeah, cool. Yeah, it's. Like, very agnostic, I want to say. It's like there are times when it can be good, thicker times when it can be bad, you know, kissing their parents. So, you know, that's not a good death. But sometimes, like you meet space, like, I don't know, sometimes things need to change and it turns out what's the natural part of, you know, nature and life. Evolution wouldn't happen without death, I thought. You could even look at it's actually interesting because I get even culturally, perhaps we live in A at least in America, in Western, in America, there's a culture of people not wanting to pass the mantle down, whether that's in politics, whether that's entertainment, whether that's movies like the top movie stars when it was also like.

40:04 The same movie stars from the night from the early 2000s or even the 90s or 80s are, are are are are the people that are dominating the screens today and they don't want to pass the mantle down to an actor at 17 or 19 years old. And somehow they. Look the same. Yeah, yeah. They trying to give a name. You have to find out for the purpose of research, dude. And then like music too, you know, like and and you have bands like Springsteen and you know, and the freaking Rolling Stones, you know, like dude, what what are you doing still? You know, it's like, it's crazy, but I feel like. That. Also prevents innovation that also holds back creativity, that also holds back, you know, new.

40:49 Like what made these people great to begin with was that they were the explosive voices of the new generation and now they're not letting that go. And that's probably about one of the benefits of death, you know, for. Sure. Like, I mean, people classically want to talk about age, you know, longevity research, like, OK, but they're dictators. Like, they're going to live forever. Yeah. That's, you know, the only thing we have gone is that they'll actually get old and die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think these are unsolved problems. I agree. Like I think society is not built for people to live this long. Forget, forget. Like at the most basic boring level, you know, how do you do retirement when if everybody lives to 200 years old? Well, people aren't.

41:30 Going to want to retire. But how do you do it right now it's 6570 because as you know, they're going to get 20%. It is 570, right? Maybe. But then what happens on the IT keeps moving, right? Like there's this, there's this idea in the field of what's called escape velocity. So, so this idea that in the same way that you had computers that were exponentially like growing with power. And at this point you have a supercomputer in your pocket that can like access all the information in the, you know, in the impact on you. So technology for extending longevity will extend lifespan for people enough for them to be alive when the next technology comes around to extend longevity even further. Right, Right. Right. And then they're just always on the next thing. And yeah. That's.

42:11 Actually, you have people who are fixed. Offer updates you just. Never die. You like you just, you just catch the next wave and you keep going. And so the argument was made, I think. That that's like ideas like when Judy's talks about like Olamava or like, you know, with like we were not dying, stuff like that. But you mean, like, that could be a physical manifestation of, you know, the evolution man. Yeah. They said like right, These like different approaches to I like to think. About these kind of philosophy. You know, I mean, like people make that argument about the existence of the state of Israel today, how we're making the reality of the of the, you know, Niveen, like we're making it a reality. We're not going to wait. Yeah. We're not going to wait for the prophets for some guy to fall out of the sky and bring a building with him and drop it on, you know. So World War Three, we're going to come in, we'll create the reality one step at a time, and eventually we'll be there so we can look back and say, well, this is what happened. Yeah.

43:04 That's interesting. I don't. See a way around it? I see a world in 200 years where these technologies, unless like, I don't know, it becomes like a nuclear weapons threat, Like countries closely guard the secrets and don't want them out in the world. But. The theoretical basis for extending lifespan indefinitely. Indefinitely. That's I don't know. Infinitely, it's very long if I also people would still die, right, But the theoretical basis for it, it just feels really close, like and then once you have the theoretical like what's killing people?

43:46 Like why are you dying from age? What's aging once you have that down, right? That's usually the biggest challenge, right, for figuring this stuff out. Once you have that down, you just start QA, you know, just start testing like different interventions. And because we're developing all these tools kind of like simultaneously, so you have like genetic engineering, you know, protein design, you know, like really advanced treatments for different diseases of old age that maybe aren't like cancer and genital diseases, right? So you have all these things happening kind of concurrently. And then if you can address frailty and then you know, how to cure cancer and you know, how to prevent Alzheimer's, you know, and heart disease, like then you're suddenly on track for people living to 300 or 400 without, you know, breaking a sweat.

44:36 Like essentially that's. Crazy, yeah. It's a wild thought, but. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what my what the world is going to be like for my 2 year old to be growing up in. Sure. I'm probably just like what you grew up, it's a little bit different. I don't know like. You know, like. No, okay, I'm sorry. As I see movies pepeeve in mind, I'll see a movie and they sometimes movies will build a premise and the premise will be everything is the same except this one thing. You know like Black Mary won't do that. OK, The world is exactly the same except for this, Yeah. Except for this. Crazy VR technology. And it's like, that's not how tech works. Like yeah, but then. We're going to be exactly the same. Yeah.

45:18 Then the world wouldn't. Be exactly the same because this is a revolutionary technology. It would change the fabric of of how yeah, of how we interact, right. So the world is not everything isn't the same as those in the 1950s, except now we have Internet like, you know, like it's not how it works. That's a good way of putting it, I know. But I think that the you don't think that the that the rate of development or the pace of that of evolution or whatever we're doing, the rate isn't just more is exponentially faster and more dramatic then from 1950 to today. Yeah, You know, about 19, even 82 even when I was born, man. I'm getting on an airplane when we're getting on airplanes when I was a kid and having that, remember the stupid TV, the, the, the DVD player?

46:07 Yeah. And I have to bring a chunky DVD player and pop a DVD and it has like an hour and a half life battery. And wow, that was like, yeah. And like, that was within my lifetime, dude. Like house phone, you watch? I love Internet. Yeah. Yeah, it might be like maps, you know, to get around, to go, to go, to go, to do it in my you need a physical map for. Kids out there, there were lots of things, yeah. Right. But that's what I'm saying, right? So imagine so so my 2 year old, when he's going to be 20, what's you know, what's he going to think? Yeah, I don't know. Man, it's an exciting thought that I have no way to parse because of this fact that things happen concurrently. And then you could not imagine the changes, right? Like, or if you really wanted to be clever about it, you would just drop.

46:48 You would, let's say you just dropped it in, you know, like a Pebble in water. And then you watch the ripples. And then the other, you drop the other pebbles in and they had other ripples. And you're like, good luck following. Yeah, Yeah. What's the kind of app, right? That's a good example, yeah. At some point, the pattern just becomes way too complex for you to to parse. But if I had to say that in 20 years, first of all, I don't think the little, you know, cell phones are not going to be like they're going to exist, right? But like everything's, we're not going to be in. This kind of form factor. Yeah, I feel like everything's moving towards either like completely visual on your eyes or like audio or something like that, you know? That's weird, yeah. And if you do have these, maybe we'll have, maybe we'll have because it's like nice to watch a video or something, you know, on your, on your phone also.

47:36 Like, what are the implications of, like, essentially turning our eyes into screens? Yeah. You know, and like, what does that do to us? I don't think it's. Going to catch on 1st last words I think. Like I think it's going to catch on. And then like tomorrow, you know, they release this thing that just projects an image into your eyeball. I'll say, like a lot of military, like since the war started, we've been talking a lot with different companies about who reach out to us about like, doing, you know, these heads up displays on cameras. And it's funny because they come up with these crazy like technological, like, it's cool. Like, you know, heads up displays with maps and, you know, friend or foe identification. Yeah, all this stuff.

48:17 But then I'm like, did you fix the fogging issue with glasses? Yeah. You ever try running with glasses? Start running with glasses and a helmet. Like, there's no airflow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what do you mean that's the problem? Right. Like because because the practical people aren't hurt from usually the. Future is doesn't spend time on the field. Yeah, yeah. So. So I have a hard time imagining what the future of technology looks like. But the future of biology, I can say with a lot of confidence is going to involve, you know, genetic modification. It's going to involve we're on like the verge of a revolution in terms of trying treatments and things from nature.

49:01 So, proteins, what do you? Think of like artificial wounds and stuff like that, like. If if I can come, that's like the next story. That's the emancipation of women, right? Like that's like in the way that in, I don't know if you ever heard about this, but like 100 years ago showing, showing that ignorance. But the some some historians argue that the development of the washing machine was pivotal for women and birth. Control washing. Washing. Machines and birth control, birth control in terms of like their massive, yeah, physical, but washing machines is like why washing machines like because you ever wash things by hand, like hours of work every day, right? And so giving the women the freedom suddenly to not have to do that freed women up to go get an education or go take part in the workforce or go keep part of right.

49:49 And I, I know in science and technology today and in in high level fields, women will not go into those fields because they want to have kids. And they, you have to make a choice as a woman. You have to decide, am I going to be a mom or am I going to be a professional? And those things, society structures have to be mutually exclusive. And that's probably, if we're getting back to the issue of births in Western countries, that's probably also a big factor. Yeah, certainly. Right, like. I We can encourage women to be professionals, to be strong and independent, and they should be. But then we have to structure our society around the biological needs of of people of people like who are humans and want to have kids. You know, the Weitzman Institute has a daycare in the institute.

50:33 So a mother can come drop her kid off at daycare, watch everything, go work in the lab, take 10 minutes off, go nurse your kid and come back to work. That should exist in every single big office. No really it should like. It should exist in every big office building like we just pretend like and also the breaking down of family units, right? So it used to be the, I mean, it used to be like up till 203 hundred years ago, you lived with your grandparents and your brothers and your sisters and their kids. And so there was always somebody to take care of the kid. And the expectation today is that you and your wife are the only two people who are on a consistent basis going to be the caretakers of your children.

51:14 And that's hard. It is really hard. That's not a trivial statement. And then you give them more responsibility, you say, and now you also have to work. And now you should do all these things. So so. One of the things that I, I was, I was that I was reading a book called the anxious Generation. And one of the things he was talking about was that in today's world, and this is not a benefit for parents, but that it's a massive problem has solves that when we were growing up, parents or adults had trust in other adults, at least in America. Actually, I think Israel's way better about it, but I think it's also comes from being a Jewish state, you know, where there's someone who was like, obviously you don't there, there, there's a bad people everywhere, you know, but there's a little bit more of a sense that like if your kid will run to will go by himself to school, you know, I'll say even. On a practical level, like people don't know me walking around the street, but they know that there are people out there who are defending their physical existence in this place and that there's not a there's not a few of them. There's a lot of them out there.

52:17 And so like on average, it low just raises your trust a little bit in random, right? That too. Right. But what so right that that's enormous. But one of the things you're saying is that so for a parent, they used to look at the world like you're raising your kid and you have a bunch of allies that are other that are other adults that are helping to everyone's best interest to try to help. So if you go to the supermarket, you use your kid. Yeah. Exactly. Or someone come up to you. Hey, could someone come to a kid? Hey, are you lost? Do you know where your mom and dad are? And then let me take you. But nowadays everyone is considered a threat. Everyone's considered a dangerous. So now it's not you and adults working together to raise a family. It's you against the rest of the world and you have to raise a family.

53:00 And that's a lot. That's a lot to jump on. That's why. And parents burnout and parents have a hard time. And then and then I do that the. They don't have kids they don't want to have. Kids, a lot of people are like and then if they do this world where. Everybody's an enemy, you know? Yeah, well. That too. And then also when you have kids and then you know what, I don't want to trust a babysitter. So I'm going to pop them in front of the TV for or or not to be on their on their iPad or their phone for 14 hours a day. And that can't have very good professions. More like you're. Living really far away from your parents, right? So in Israel is very common also. Yeah, like you rely on your parents for a lot of things. Like they're common. Watch, it's really societally accepted that your parents are going to be babysit. Yeah, like you want beautiful. It's.

53:41 Beautiful. It's how it should be. It's how it should be evolutionarily, how it was, Right. Yeah. Like, that's why parents. That's why parents live past the age of reproduction. Oh, really? Like, what's your use? Like, you can't make it. Like the reason blend is so that you can help your kids raise their kids and then you're helping yourself, right? Like, evolutionarily. Yeah. That's the huge theory for why for why humans live so long is because we're these social animals teach each other and we help each other out. We increase the fitness right at the chances of success. And then when you're like, just like it's recent, right? You move away from it, everybody in your life and you move out the middle of nowhere and now you don't know anybody. You can't trust anybody.

54:23 Well, of course women aren't like being a part of society or they're choosing not to have kids. The truth is to be part of society. Who can blame them? And then they're just not having kids. Yeah, that's so, so in terms of having, giving women the ability also, like pregnancy is huge, right? That's like a year off, you know, you're taking, it's going to be, you know, if you want to breastfeed or whatever. Then then having giving women the ability to like have these external wounds or whatever, it would be enormous. What are the? Moral implications of that, though, are like the are there? Like I don't know if the kids. Healthy, you know, like, I don't know, it's your genes. It's your genes, the kids healthy, it's your baby. It's your. Baby. Yeah, why not?

55:04 Just feels like a brave people. Already like what do you think of a? Brave New World. Well, I I haven't seen that look red. That's pretty bad world either. But like, wait, I'll take it. Like don't forget for this time, fiction like. There are there. Are celebrities today just go hire some random lady? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So just carry. Their baby for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the, that's the dystopian version of this. Yeah, yeah, there were. That's happening to the dystopian version. Of that of so Brave new World's premise is that everyone is basically born artificial wombs yeah but that that they're genetically modified and altered to fit to be arbitrary arbitrarily chosen for social classes and. They live like 20 and right. So yeah, but also like, you know, the worker class is like physically bigger but has smaller brains and has us and like they like edit out the gene for like curiosity and to not have them like so that wants basically.

55:57 Like people? Yeah. Essentially, yeah, essentially everything's the same. But yeah. And then and so the and so the premise of the of the book, it's it's a short book, but the premise of the book is that it's almost like a love story between like one that like one of the, you know, different, lower do not class modified individuals. Kind of like has his breakout moment like a almost like a emergent moment where he rises beyond his, I guess, genetic makeup or tries to, you know, and that's the version of that I think the version of society where that goes like wrong, you know, where like. Well, well, I mean, although you. Can make I guess, an argument that people are born into like the world that people are born into essentially, is that any?

56:40 Yeah, I mean, it is right now, right? Right. Yeah, I didn't fuse people into upper middle class Jewish family and the suburbs of Muncie. Yeah. I guess the question is for me is like, why? Like, why did the society like what's the a lot of times I love science fiction. I love I love movies in general. What I cannot tolerate is lazy writing, right? So so I cannot tolerate lazy writing. So I don't I can I can accept any premise as long as it's eternally consistent. OK, right. I can't accept Harry Potter magic exists. Great work with. It's better to not explain sometimes, you know? Yeah. Why does magic exist? Who knows? Doesn't fucking matter. Yeah, It doesn't matter, right? Or like, there was this movie.

57:20 Now. Lyle. Lyle Crocodile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Internally consistent. You know why they never explain why he's there? Everybody just accepts the pronounce. Yeah, of course. Technology. At the door they they walk. Through with that like make it this right explanation, but with science fiction, I feel like it needs a there needs to be like a more of a reason for it correct I. Feel like with like for example, Marvel, Marvel movies at a certain point, like superpowers mean nothing like there's no, there's no values or strength is arbitrarily, you're just stronger than and. Then it's just like a A, but it's. That's lazy writing, right? Yeah. There's no in universe reason for why this person's stronger, right? Like, because we decided, yeah, at this point. And then he was a you as a viewer also, you lose an agency, right? Because you're like, all right, well, I can't make any sense of this.

58:05 Yeah, I can't make any sense. And I can't make decisions while I'm watching, you know, like who's going to be. So how's? It going to. Go I have no way of knowing, but I know it's just going to turn out to make me feel good. Like I have to fucking do. Like that's not what I need, you know, So, so for books, like I ask the question, OK, why? Like, you know, why not make everybody perfect and then just give them roles? Because because people are flaws though, and people and and societies are still run by people that make decisions right? And they're not only internal. Consistency, right? Yeah, maybe, maybe they're not making the best decisions, right. But like you say, you see a dystopian I'm saying you human, you now have the ability to to like change humans however you want, right, however you see fit.

58:52 And I'm like designing society like why are you designing it like Ant society, right? Like what's the Mia? Like what's the what's the point? What's the yeah, what's the why? Like it's a cool thought experiment. What if this existed, right? But like when you look at. And so you, you create a power structure around yourself that gives you the most, that gives you the most, the most control over everyone else that you can get. Sure. So you like make a little island and you have money and you just start doing this thing and you're like, I'm gonna make people who are just really dumb or really strong and I'm gonna make people who are like this or like that. Armies, sorry. Or armies. Or. Armies, but I like again, if I'm I'm using resources to make all those people right and I don't know if I have a way to like start we have we need society today don't need to do this right.

59:41 Like you can structure a society with a diverse range of different people like. But we don't. We could. We could, right? But that's, that's the point. We don't ask why we don't. It's because it's human nature. And they're bad people. You know what makes sense? Or. I think it's like this phrase, but it's like never never ascribe. Malice where you can ascribe ignorance, right, You could say. Hey. Global conspiracy to maintain these power structures and and these global you know like you know rich and. Elite. Yeah, it's. Possible. It's possible that there's a guy out there who's like has a big screen and he's controlling all these things and like, I don't, you know, I don't know.

1:00:24 But more likely is that nobody's controlling anything. These emerge, These just these structures emerge through individual interactions. And everybody's, of course, trying to, like, hustle their way up to the top, no question about it. Yeah. And the people at the top, no, for sure, want to stay at the top, right. But there's probably not some big global conspiracy to just maintain these rigid social structures. And if there was a person at the top who wanted to create an ideal world and had the resources and the money and the and the ability to know how to do it, let's say like a Bill Gates, you know, like, what did they do it? Bill Gates, the richest man in the world. Like, well, you know, he said, he said that he's like working to cure malaria and just as an example, Right. Yeah.

1:01:09 How much money and time and effort has been put into curing malaria? And, you know, they've done an amazing job, but it's taken him the better part of two decades to just, like, solve one problem. So why would the world be this perfect place? Because it's a hard problem to do. It'd probably be equally hard to structure. It's like specifically in the way like, like you would describe it in this book, right? Like. Yeah, but we have experiments to we like we we, we have like, you know, like we know for certain it's been declassified. The CIA studies like large like, you know, I guess group psychology in the sense that like how do you get like to get 99 agents yeah to influence 1000 people.

1:01:52 Yeah, you know and that like you know like it's like almost like a one to 10 ratio of the impact that that you could have that almost even snowballs as it as it was bigger numbers they would. Chat bots and like whatever you know so I. Don't think, I don't think that I don't. Yeah, chat bots too, by the way, you know, and, and I don't think that. So I don't think that the I think that I don't know if there's a quote, UN quote global conspiracy in that kind of sense, but I think that if the CIA hypothetically wanted to do mass damage or, or obtain mass control or create a mass narrative, I don't think they'd have a problem too. Yeah, I mean, that's a bread and butter, right? But. That's the point, but that's what I'm saying. So so you're saying like, I mean, they could pull, they could be pulling strings.

1:02:35 And again, to to what extent are they going to be controlling, you know, like whatever. I'm not even talking about that, but you know, just the fact that like we study like people almost like lose a sense of individuality in a group. We know that, you know, that's group thing. That's all right. Yeah, I would say, I would say it's complicated. People lose their sense of individuality in a group is something that I think a lot of people are conscious of. And I wouldn't say it's almost lose their individuality as much as give up their individuality. Sure, there's no like, magical force you're. Right. But the consequence of the day is the same, which is you walk away from, you're at a rally, you're at a protest and you do something and you walk away and you're like, I can't even believe I did that.

1:03:28 I can't even say that. I can't even. I hate that. That's the one. With the mask effect, right When you put on a mask, you'll suddenly behave. Yeah, sure. It's more like a lost in the crowd. Nobody sees me doing this, right? Right. Right, but that's fine. So like so I, so I don't know that I'm beyond being controlled. I don't know that if you put me like, if you tell me that even they're physically positive, even like a concert, even like, you know, like a minion, like a short function, they're like, like I definitely could be swept up in a moment and kind of lose. You give up 5% of it. Right. So you like, I think there for a lot of these, there's a buy in. We talked about this like yesterday. I think there's a lot of these, there's a buy in of like people kind of maybe maybe most, some people aren't conscious of this themselves and they just kind of go with whatever's happening around them.

1:04:13 But for you at least there's for sure going to be a moment where you're like, do I want to do this or not, right. And then, OK, once you've made the decision to do it, no problem. That's on you. Yeah. But but you know, well, like, you know, Joy answer, I mean, and Daven and you know, like, yeah, you should like if you want to, but. But for me, I guess I think I'm the same way also. Like I think about it and I'm like, you know, sometimes I won't clap because I'm like, I don't want to clap like for these guys, but I'm not interested in doing that. I like your, your question is like, is it possible to like just take a technology and turn into dystopian future based on like like how you influence like the masses or at least.

1:04:57 Attempts to, I don't know, I mean, I think the question is just an easy thought, something to think about. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we should. Definitely be careful the way the Internet is structured today. So a big part of like how like any, any, you know, biological or like living animal works is like signal filtering, right? So if you took every single input that existed and always were processing every single thing, you would go crazy and you wouldn't be able to make decisions, right? And for some reason, I mean for some reason, the Internet is still very much in its infancy and we have no good way of processing garbage, right? Everything comes in and it's all equal. You can have a guy who has.

1:05:38 I think we're learning. That I think we're learning. That's what you. As an individual are, but there's. An industry called click baiting, which is the study of what would get someone to this would jump out from the junk. Yeah. You know, it's like you're disregarding everything else and you're focusing on the headline. That isn't all caps, right? Aging doctor says that's even worse because you build a filter. In your brain about like what's relevant and what should be clicked on, right? And then there's a whole field now that's adversarial, right? That's like, that's right now trying to get you to click even though you shouldn't click. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, I met like 5 times last night while I was growing so I. Genuinely think that there's not gonna be a way around this either. Countries at some point in the next two decades are gonna have to start just filtering the Internet, like saying I don't, I don't.

1:06:26 Nobody on the Internet from Vietnam or I don't know, North Korea or Russia is allowed on the American Internet. Like it's just gonna become these like discrete bubbles of Internet or there's gonna be some sort of ID verification system on the Internet that you're gonna have to go have where you become a citizen of the Internet or I don't know what. And you just have your ID, your credentials and everything. And there's that's really also for your statement, right? Because what keeps you civil? Like, yeah. Seriously, why don't you go in the street? And just yell at people because it'll fucking punch you in the face. You're going to prison here. I don't know, you know, so they there's nothing to create a. World of repercussions because right now you don't have any. There's no, yeah, there's two things. There's 2 problems.

1:07:10 One, there's no punishment if somebody makes a bad prediction. And that needs to start happening because like, it's a 0 sum game, right? If I make 100 predictions and one of them works out, I could say I I can ignore the 99 that didn't work out. Yeah, Point to the one prediction. And that's how people make your career that. Yeah. And then that ends up messing a lot of other people up. Yeah, Right. How many times have you heard that Israel is a you know, people are starving. People are going to start in Gaza tomorrow. For the last two years, I can probably. I wanted to do this. I want to pull up all of the headlines on this. I promise you there are over 200 over the course of the last two years. Definitely. Right. And at this point, if you look at the statistics, thousands are doing better than most of the world. I'm not saying they're comfortable, but in terms of the statistics of how many people died of hunger related things on 2 orders of magnitude, they're doing better than the rest of the world 2. Orders of magnitude.

1:07:58 That's the difference. Between a 1 and 100%. So yeah, that's like, yeah, you can do this math yourself. It's like relatively easy. You just like, divide the number of people that die in the world of hunger each day, 25,000 people, by the way, a huge number. That's insane. Yeah, 20,000 people die that every day. Of hunger. Hunger related disease. Yeah, hunger related reasons every day. And then so you take that number. This is both UN statistics, so I feel confident in making them. It's not from two different sources. And then you take the number of people who've died in Gaza over the last two years of hunger and you know you can you can do the same. So by day, you divide it by the number of days and you get the number of people who've died in Gaza in the math.

1:08:40 Is very. Is very simple to do. It's simple. And then you just get the like if you because it's called sanity check. So when you make a statement, you have to gauge it against some objective market reality. And that's how you sanity check. And if you're in the ballpark, if it was like 2 times, then I would say we're in the ballpark. Like, you know, like if half the number of people dying in Gaza and the rest of the world would say, OK, like we're in the ballpark of, of starvation. But if it's the difference between A1 and A-100, you know, then you're not even in the same universe. You know, it's there's between 100,000 and a million. You know, what is the magnitude, right? That's the difference so that the people in Gaza are not dying, right? So more by 200 of magnitude people are dying outside of Gaza from starvation than in Gaza.

1:09:21 So that's as an example, right? But yeah. That's a great example, right? That's a great example. So how? Many times. Have you heard? I've never heard. I've never heard anything like that, Yeah. But but headlines will have you believe that this is the worst humanitarian crisis, that people are starving. And just like on a granum Tuesday, in the rest of the world, it's worse. Yeah. You know, like tomorrow. Is going to be worse tomorrow. Is today's the rest of the is already worse? Probably in the rest of the world? Yeah, the rest. Of the world, today's already worse, yeah. Correct. 10:00 in the morning? Sure. More people have died in the rest of the world as a proportion of people then have died in a conflict zone in what's supposedly A genocide and stuff. Yeah, but that's just an example of bad predictions that have no consequence.

1:10:01 Right? So BBC is never gonna pay a fine for each bad prediction they make, yeah. Well, they're never, they wouldn't be in the business. They'd be out of business at that point. Sure. They. Would have to actually have or they would have to actually adjust their tactics to yeah, to. That's I'm not a big fan of government bailouts either, by the way, because I think that it gets in the way of the church. Correct. Sure. Yeah, correct. There's something to be said there also, right. Yeah. But then when like first to making the decision to invest in the company, Yeah. Yeah. Good luck, regulatory. Capture. I love that word. I love that word. That's a great word. Yeah. I don't think you. Have a time load on those. No, I don't. To talk to you about your nonprofit. Yeah, if you have some, if you have some time for it, I do. I mean, let's time, it's enough, so let's find me. Yeah, you got some time, It's okay. Yeah, let's talk.

1:10:47 I just started into my PhD. It's fine. They don't expect anything else, right? So I direct. I started. I direct the nonprofit call the Lone Soldier Empowerment Foundation Little. Soldier. Is it lone? Soldier. Lone soldier, the lone. Soldier Empowerment Foundation, the LSEF, they want to explain. What a lone soldier is, yeah. Wow. A lone soldier is somebody who comes to this is like a really just a hard shift, right? Yeah. I don't want this. This is not sponsored. This is. Publicizing, which is good, yeah. So lone soldiers are essentially people who who move to Israel without any familial support or if I grew up in Israel and just don't have any familial support. And they decide to draft to the IDF. And then they get this characterization from the IDF that's like tagged as long soldier. And they get support from the IDF while they're in the army. But prior to their draft, they're still alone. There's no services for them and there's no support for them. And so we from 20, we've had a program from 2014 that we've been running that helps them essentially train. Like we take people who were little soldiers in the IDF and they train these guys twice a week in in Jerusalem. They work with them on Hebrew, physical fitness, building a community, being with leaders, all the things that you would want essentially as a human.

1:12:14 We don't train them as soldiers. That's the IDF, that's their job. Also, we don't feel like that's our place, right? Like we don't want them to come into the Army thinking they know how to be a soldier. We want them to come in the army being a person, being a good person who knows how to work with other people, who knows how to lead, who knows how to work under pressure. So in 2014 we started two guys basically started in the park workouts and 2019 they open up a non profit, which we took control of in 2020. I've been running since then as as this as a long social empowerment foundation. Seven Mikey is the name of the program. It's really cool, honestly, like because I didn't do anything like this right to the army. And it's just wild to see the people who show up there and how much they put on the table and how much they they just give of themselves to something that they don't even really know they want to do.

1:13:16 You know, it's like, but they know that they want to be in Israel and they know they want to defend their country, the country, the Jewish country that that they believe should exist. And so for them, it's like a no brainer. Like they're here, they're going to work hard. And we can talk about like the whole justification for these in the state of Israel and all this stuff. We could you. Want to do it? I think there's like a just a practical reason that we overlook completely like as, as people who are Israel advocates and I'm like you'd advocate for the state of Israel. I think we kind of talked the wrong language and we don't point the right finger. So a lot of times you know, some person who you know is 1 leaning and loves the world is going to come to you and say, you know, why does why does Israel need an ethno state, which is not, by the way, it's not an ethical state. They're 20% of the copulation is part of everything in that like in Serb society and we have friends who are Arabic Jews in the Bedouin and we all live in wild. But so putting aside the ignorance for something, why does what's the justification for the state of Israel and people like to compare it also to compare we love comparing Israel to Western problems right. So South Africa apartheid or comparing the war to Vietnam or Iraq.

1:14:35 And it's like you're so off base, but I don't know how I don't even know where to start, right. Like you have to start with the whole history of oppression of of pogroms of like the Holocaust is kind of somehow our enemies have turned into a cliche. It's not a cliche is the biggest genocide of any any ethnic group in human history, right? Like it was the industrial genocide of of a group of people, right? And Juice just felt the practical need for a place where they wouldn't just be murdered for no reason, you know, like, where they can. Yeah, where they can make money and make something of their lives and nobody would just kill them to take it, like, right there. And And so the state of Israel came into existence from a very practical place, and the decisions that are continually made that appear from the outside to be drawn from a place of being.

1:15:30 Contemptuous. Yeah, like trying to be able to say maximalist, they say it's, I mean, the terms you hear maximalist, what is the when you think you're better than somebody, Yeah. I'm just. Having a brain fart right now, yeah. OK, a lot of. The elitist, elitist. Yeah. So a lot of the idealistic terms that are used of levied Israel like come from a place of ignorance of the history of the conflict where these are practical considerations. This isn't like, you know, of course there are people in every society that are, that are racist, But the decisions that are made, let's say, are filtered through that lens of the, of the minority and not through the like objective lens of history, which is to say, like, why is there a border wall between, you know, the West Bank and, or today and Samaria and the rest of Israel proper, right? Is that an apartheid decision to limit the mobility of Palestinians?

1:16:29 Or was it because, you know, five years leading up to it, buses were blowing up every fucking day and people just didn't want to keep dying going to school. And so they decided if this is what our enemy's going to do, we can't allow them freedom of movement, right. And ever since that wall's been up, hey, no suicide attacks. You know what a surprise, you know, or like I love this because I used to do secure. I used to be security guards. So I do private individuals. Cool you'd. Be a security guard for individuals, sure. People come to Israel and I would take them around and I keep them safe. And I'm also a medic, so it's like the full package. I know Hebrew. I know English. I was like, yeah. Yeah, that is convenient. Yeah, I'm the I'm.

1:17:13 The fixer. Yeah. So, so they would ask, like, I see some of the license plates, you know, what's this between the yellow and the green license plate? And for them, what they see is I see Arab people driving around and I see they have green license plates. And I see that in Israel, everybody has yellow license plates, and most of the people who have them are Israeli. Is is it that Arabs have green license plates? And first of all, it is that Arabs have green license plates. But because. No, but actually the green license plates are from the Palestinian Authority. Right? And no Jews are allowed. You haven't mixed up. No, Jews are allowed to live in the Palestinian Authority or be part of the Palestinian Authority. Right. Gotcha. And so there's not going to be a Jew driving around with a green license plate. But it's because it's from a different state. It's like a different country.

1:17:54 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, but. Then if anybody else comes around, Israelis, Israelis and Palestinians have different license plates based on their race, right? Which is not true because there are Arabs drive around with yellow license plates with Israeli license plates, right? So not every so so not every yellow license plate is a Jew, but every green license plate is an animal. Exactly. And then so and then people will take that to mean that Israelis handing out green license plates to, yeah, Arabs, right? Yeah, yeah. That's what you're saying? Wow, I didn't even know that even existed, by the way, that that even the license plate. I didn't even know that the license, the license plate thing existed. That's interesting. Yeah, because there's been there's been a Palestinian state, not a full Palestinian state, but a a Palestinian territory with autonomy, you know, since the Oslo Accords and there had there's been one set of elections, you know, 20 years ago and there's never been a free election since then, right, Because, because why? Because if there were free elections and yeah, there would be colossal be elected about.

1:18:52 Do you think if there were free elections, there's we we voted back in, Hamas would? Be voted in the West Bank into power. That's why in the West Bank. In the West Bank. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. I mean, that's what happened in Gaza, right? Yeah, Well, there were elections after they met. Good. 2006, right? Do we know what the what the favorability is with Hamas in terms of the Gazans or and or the West people of the West Bank? That was the last week. How you can tested whether the statistics are accurate, Of course, in Gaza, especially in the West Bank, very high, very high, very high and. Just and and there's depends on who you are and they're unhappy with the Palestinian Authority. They'd rather from us over the Palestinian. All right, it's kind of.

1:19:35 Like they, it's like our elections also, you know, yeah. MC South Park. Yeah, you know that South Park Church sandwich? And, you know, like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. It's kind of. Like for them it's the same thing. I would say they're not happy with either choice, but in terms of the Islamic like perspective on things there. Are. A lot of people who yeah, these are statistics, so you can look them up, but yeah, I think Hamas most for by by most understandings of the pal on the Palestinian side would win an election. And so Mahmoud Abbas, who is the funnest, is not a. Not Hamas, he's a different party has not held election since since he was elected. So so this kind of claim also that there's no Hamas in the West Bank that you hear subtitles wild, right? I never.

1:20:25 Heard that yeah yeah. That there is no Hamas in the West Bank They. People say, you know, why is this all attacking the West Bank? There's no Hamas there. And there is and. The first of all, there is and second of all, militants don't have to be a part of a particular political organization to be pose a risk. Yeah, pose a risk to to citizens in the state of Israel. And it's wild because all you have to do is go off the Instagram, find some of these pictures, these kids with like M Sixteens and saying, you know, I want to kill all the Jews. And like, you know, it's not hard to find. But yeah, essentially a lot of this. So it's like, why is why is Israel have military control of area beat?

1:21:08 You know, like practically because if they left, it would just become Gaza too, you know, just become another, another Gaza. And then people are like, OK, I love this argument, right. OK, so let's say in in Iraq or Afghanistan, we found we knew that if we killed a guy and he was a militant and we accidentally hit his son or whatever, and then the whole family, the whole family became militants. Like that was a well known. Yeah. Radicalized. Yeah. It's radicalization, right? Right. That's not the situation here. They're already radicalized. Like they already want to kill me. I'm not. I'm not upping the ante by by like accidentally hitting someone. That's another thing.

1:21:49 Do we know what percent of civilians or how do we know what percent of civilians are sympathetic towards that? No SO. You OK, So it's really important and this is where I found a lot of us are Israelis and commentators kind of lose a thread, yes. You. Can you can absolutely hate me and want to kill me, that doesn't justify me going and and killing you. Like no, under no certain instances, right. So civilian casualties are simply like the guy's not holding the gun, you know, and they're they they were never interested in picking up a gun and they hate me, but they still want to kill me. They're still like, hey, I think this guy should die or not be here, right? Then I have no right.

1:22:29 As even if they say even they're very explicit about it, say I don't think you should be here and I I hope that you die, it doesn't give me any right to go and kill them. But like, most of the population is of that situation, right? And so you have to figure out, OK, what to actually do. Like, it could be not everybody here wants to pick up a gun and kill me. Or it could be everybody here wants to. Most of them won't, Right? So like, I'm in a complicated situation, right? Yeah. I know that's what that's what I'm thinking. You know, that's we. Yeah, it. Starts with going back to our original part of this conversation. It starts with education, like going back I think an hour ago, right? Yeah, it starts with education. And it's, you said, you know, putting on the framework for, for, you know, for an 8 till from 8:00 AM to 7:00 PM is good, right, Because it gives you a lot of these kids are like, right in our schools, first of all.

1:23:18 But mostly they're on the streets. Like mostly you'll see them on the streets. Like I know this from my experience in the West Bank extensively, right. I've been there, I think in, in over the course of my life as a soldier for more than a year. Like in different, in different in all kinds of different areas. And you see the same thing. You see these kids, no parents, like, no education, like ignorant of the world. They don't know. They don't know where Jerusalem is. Like they don't know where Tel Aviv is. Yes. Yeah, You know, like I, I distinctly remember this. I got on a bus. I'm a soldier. I got on a bus with my wife, girlfriend at the time, like a mother-in-law. Now we're going from Jerusalem to Haifa. We're on a bus that goes to Haifa. It's.

1:23:58 Like 3 hours away. Yeah, it's. Up north, up north, yeah, exactly. To get to Haifa's three hours and on the bus it was during Ramadan. So you Ramadan a lot of the Palestinians get once you know, they get permits to come into Israel, you know, like, Oh my God, right, these subhumans, we let them in, you know, it's so annoying. I'm sorry, like like it's so far from reality. Anyways, like, so they get permits to come in and to travel because it's not it's not their country, but they we allow them in because it's their holy sites and we want to allow them to come and see their holy sites because we're not fucking assholes. Like no, really like and these kids get on the bus and they're in Israel.

1:24:38 So they're not just going to go to the latest travel moment. So I start talking to one of these kids. He's like, can I hold your gun? It's like Arab kid, this Palestinian kid. And I'm like, first of all, no, but you don't want to take a picture, whatever, you know, like. And I asked him, so why are you on the bus? You know, where you going, where you from, where you going? He's like, oh, you know, I want to go to the beach and I'm like, you want to go to the beach? He's like, yeah, I want to go to the beach. I'm like, why are you going to Haifa? He's like, that's where the beach is. No, Yeah. Like he's in Jerusalem. Yeah. Go to Tel Aviv. Yeah, he has. No, Tel Aviv is. Yeah, there's no Haifa is there's no anything, right? He lives. He lives 20 minutes away. Yeah, that's not, that's not Israel.

1:25:20 That's like living him in head. And not knowing where Monty is. Yeah, that's. Not Israel. That's not Israel, right? That's your fundamental failure of your society to teach you anything, right? Like, yeah, right. Like you can go blame Israel. Maybe that this guy hasn't seen the ocean. I'll accept that criticism, right? And I think we should improve that. Like, you know, everybody should be able to go everywhere, but this kid is so ignorant about just where he lives, right? And that's not Israel. That's your parents. That's your society. That's your family, you know, like wild, right? So I think it starts with education. Like if you want to get anywhere with the Israeli Palestinian conflict, there has to be education away from hate. And on a practical level, what that means is within Israel today, there are like an E Jerusalem. There are schools like Arab schools that teach anti Israel narratives that are funded by the Israeli Ministry of Education right?

1:26:23 What? Does that mean? Yeah. Why? What is that? Well. First of all, again, because Israel's not a fucking asshole. So we have kids in our country and we want them to get an education. So that's, that's any government there, right? Like, like in the same way that kids should have no kid should starve in a country, right? And no kid should go without an education in a country. Now we're dancing around a sensitive political situation where you don't want this be seen as somebody who's re educating, right? You don't want to like be seen as a this this group of people who's forcing an education onto something interesting, right? And so there's. This is the class of. Education. We want to get some damage. If you're doing damage, if you don't correct, it's just like, oh, why are you popping up your enemies? If you really care about it, then why are you? Why are you paying for the education? On the other hand, it's like, oh, why are you brainwashing your why are you brainwashing these poor people and entitles your own opinions?

1:27:08 And I was like, yeah, his. Arabs are being damaged. At the education system, right? So, So what happens is that we say, OK, we want these kids to get an education. We don't, by the way, this happens. I'm saying this specifically about the Arab sector, but this is true for the ultra Orthodox sector, for the party also where we also allow this, we give them money. And then where do they go? They teach anti anti like they teach information that's against the state of Israel, that's against integrating into society. I'll say in both cases, right, they teach an education that limits your ability to integrate into society by limits teaching in a language that is not commonly spoken within the greater Society of Israel. So in the Karidi systems, it's it's Yiddish. They'll teach only in Yiddish.

1:27:51 Some of them don't even want to speak Hebrew. Really. Yeah. Holy wow. Yeah. And then in in Arab society, they'll teach it in Arabic, Right. So in the East Jerusalem, they'll teach only in Arabic. In East Jerusalem we go one step further, right. So there they'll they'll at least teach the math. They want you to teach the math right. They're one step further and teach the math in a language that that in the numerals that aren't the standard numerals that you know really they won't teach them 1234. They'll teach them in the Arabic numerals for for numbers, which is what it's cool. It's. So interesting. It's a whole. Different set of numerals really is the same. Rules of math though. The rules are the same. The rules are exactly the same because it's like it's universal rule set. But the way that they, that's cool, but the way that you write it is different. That's interesting.

1:28:31 Yeah, and what? Does that do? What does that do? And I know this because I was in school with them, right? Israeli soldier in school with kids from Palestinian villages. Wild. And we talked about it so. Yeah, that they. Clashed together. We do, we do this. And what is it? They take a bunch of people who didn't finish their bugaboo, who didn't finish their standardized testing here in Israel. And with them are kids who went through a full quality education in Israel, are fully educated, but have no way of integrating. They don't speak Hebrew and they don't have a correct, they can't do math. So they come and spend a whole year doing this fucking thing just so they can learn Hebrew and learn how to do math in a different numeral system. Okay.

1:29:11 And then you're like, why? Like these are smart kids? Yeah, they're smart kids. And like some of them like, you know, are going doctors and and. And for what? Just to keep them out of Israeli society, right? Just to isolate them and make sure that they never mix with this Israeli society, right. So first step there is make sure either just don't give them funding. You say, hey, you either teach, right, the education system that we teach in Israel or don't take money. Like that's fine. You can you want to go to private school. You're welcome to go to private school. Like, I think there are inherent issues with that as well, like, but at the very least the state shouldn't be like funding. It's like a means for its own destruction, you know? Yeah, it's crazy to do that.

1:29:51 It's interesting. But again, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yeah. Exactly. What? It's racist. You're not funding these schools that are the Arab schools. No, it just happens to be the Arab schools that are teaching. Like, hey, by the way, go talk to these kids. Very amicable, right? Like we studied together for a year, we got along some of them or even like they're all friendly. They're not nobody's not friendly. They're like 1819 year old 17. They're very nice. Like come with you in bed. Cuties, but you don't. Talk to them about politics. And they fully think you shouldn't be here. Like, they just, they're not even. They don't mince words about either. They're like, yeah, we just think you should either. You know, we don't want you to be here. And we don't think the state of the show should exist, Right? And they're in an Israeli institution and they're getting an education fully paid for by the Israeli government. And, you know, they're giving they're given opportunities right to to study in this fairly high like academic institutes. So we do this thing where we like kind of don't go anywhere. We're like, OK, you can be a part of this other side of being also hate us.

1:30:48 You know, like there's a phrase, you know, which is to say not from the honey and not from the from the Stinger, OK, Like nothing. It should either be you're here and you're with us and you're, you know, like 100% or you're not with us. That reminds me, like when I October 7th came around, I was called up to reserves and I came back four months later to my lab to discover that all the international students who were a part of my program, who were part of my lab left. And I was really torn. I was, yeah. I was really upset about it. And. But like, why would why wouldn't they leave? Right. But like, for me, it's like, is that the kind of friends that I want? You know, like when it's a little bit hard, you know, I'm busting my ass so that you could stay here. Yeah, But you could continue living here. Yeah.

1:31:31 And you could just leave, you know? Like for me, it was like, I hear that. Yeah. But I get it. Also, like you don't have anything like. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're actually just talking about that yesterday. We're talking about like going to business with friends and how like it's almost, it's almost a not fair thing to do because like you're essentially forcing yourself to make a decision between a caring for yourself and your family or your relationship, you know, and like going to. Post it goes bad. Yeah, if it goes. Bad. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, sure, you know and like, but you can. Set it up beforehand so that you know, everything's very clear and it's like, you know, there's. Ways around but you know I'm a little skeptical when it comes to that kind of thing I think that people become very different when it comes to money I think that people are different animals when it comes to money or business or yeah you.

1:32:17 Ever see Dave Chappelle? You know what? It's so funny. I love standing up. I never got too brilliant. So he does a great, it's not Even so funny, but he just does this like hour long sketch where he just sits and talks and gets like, was it equanimity in the bird or I don't know, something like that. And he tells us this really great story there when he was young and he saw these guys doing 5 card Monte doing a scam and he told people about it. He's like, hey, they're just scaring. And he tells how this guy grabs him, you know, and says to him, never get between a man and his bread like, you know, like. That's scary, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what, like it's true.

1:32:57 Yeah, like, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah, putting yourself in that situation with friends where you're not sure how they're going to ramp. It's like yeah, that's worried. So that was that, that so, so for me, like the question of Israel and being in Israel and helping, helping these guys, let's say going back and seven Mikey, helping these guys like get ready for the army is a practical question. It's like not even a, it's not a philosophical question of like, you know, we Israel needs high quality people in this country. They need people to serve in the IDF. They need people afterwards to be a part of Israel's society. And I, I think the state of Israel needs to exist on a practical level for for Jews to feel safe.

1:33:38 And our enemies need to feel that there's this thing that they can fixate on, you know, like, otherwise, you know, imagine if the state of Israel didn't exist. Yeah. The extremism would still exist. And now it would just be who would bear the brunt to that? You know, it would be The Who would be the big bad Jews, you know, like the American Jews. There'd be like some other French. British whatever, right? Yeah. Yeah, so, so for me it's like very much so you. So, So the what do you call it? So the program integrates lone soldiers, prepares them for the Army. Yeah, we like give them a, we train them twice a week. So essentially that's like simulation. So we give for them for what basic training is gonna be like. We're there. We give them kind of like we explode.

1:34:19 First of all, they have to be keeper. So that's already like way out of their comfort zone. Yeah, the instructors are not nice. During the sessions. We simulate what it'll be like to have a commander invasive training. So, you know, do you flip? Off after. Yeah, of course. So. Like, yeah, that's a big. Part of it sitting down, are you? Fucking kidding me. I'm just kidding. Dude stole the phone. Yeah. Yeah. So. After, that's a big part of what we do that I think some other organizations aren't so good at, where it's like turning that switch off and just being a person, a peer mentor that they can talk to is is we found super important. Like having that conversation, being hard as nails on them during like, you know, expecting the world of them varying. And then afterwards just being somebody they can talk to is really, really important.

1:35:10 I think that's just education. We also like there's like a phrase and people are just talking this fantasy. There's the time for jokes and there's the time for work, Like yeah, yeah, yeah. So for us, it's very important that our instructors have that ability. I think in general, as an educator, you should have that ability. You should know to put those for boundaries. It's just good practice. You know, like you're in class, you know, all good. You know, you're friendly with the kid and but you can't just, you know, make make trouble because you're friendly. Yeah. As a parent, same thing. Yeah. Like there's teacher. Same thing. Yeah, you. Kids need to understand like, OK, like, hey, you know, there's times where you can wrestle and fight and yell and there's times where you just got to chill. Like, you know, like it's a. It's a hard thing to teach. It's a nuance. It's it's, it's subtle, right? Right.

1:35:51 And some kids don't have that from their frameworks back at home. Yeah. Then they meet it here. They're like, why is this guy being an asshole? Yeah. And we got to pull them over and be like, I'm trying to teach you, fucker. Like, shut up. Like, like, I'm here for you, dude. I think I'm forward like, yeah, I don't want to be here. You're my wife. Like, you know, like yeah, yeah, it's very that's us a really important and we force them to do this is like be self critical. You know, don't just be like, oh, I didn't want to you know, like, you know, if you quit out, if you if you're if you like stop doing something, if you said you can't do something like why? You know, it's not just like because you know, don't just be reactive, Don't be the don't just be an animal that's reacting to whatever. Like, think about it for a second, understand what caused you to fail there, what caused you to succeed and what you can really gain from it. And then we find like, really good outcomes. But I feel like that's also really hard to know. Am I doing good?

1:36:45 It's so easy to just have people tell you you're doing good, but never really know if you're actually having a positive impact. Yeah, of. Course, you have to give honest feedback so that when you give good feedback it means something, right? It's not even that. It's like there's a fine line between giving people tools and giving people, making people overconfident, especially when it comes to drafting to a foreign military. So we see it like, like very quickly. But I don't want anybody going through my program, finishing my program, drafting to the IDF and thinking that they're ready for the for what they're about to do. Yeah, I don't want that.

1:37:27 I want them to be on their toes and humble and, like aware themselves so that when they get there, they're like, all right, I just worked really hard, but like, I got a lot of work to do now. Yeah. Of. Course forward. So just set them up just. Stop the mentality. Get you ready for what's? Coming ahead, there's a lot of programs. Am I going to point any fingers, like kind of give participants this false understanding that they're like ready, Like I'm really hard. You know, I did really hard things, like physically hard things. So now I'm good to go. And then I feel like that's the worst because then they come in, they're like, I'm so fucking hard. I can do anything. Yeah. And these Israelis are bitches and they can't do shit. You know, Israelis like and it's true.

1:38:10 It's a conscript army, so and they Israeli can't do anything. And I'm so prepared and they're so under prepared. And then what you end up having is just like I who just doesn't get along with anybody. Yeah, maybe they're physically like a stud and they can do whatever, but like, everybody hates them and they hate everybody else. And then they don't mess. Yeah, they don't succeed. Wow. It's like I maybe jumped a few steps there in the, in the logical. No, I hear, I hear. I hear, I hear. But that's just. An example, and I'm sure, yeah, you would as an educator can also think of examples of things that maybe you're doing that I might like, maybe give your students might be helpful, but then you're maybe not so sure like what the actual outcomes are.

1:38:51 For example, like, hey, take a day off, you know, you know, yeah, could be helpful and it could. Not be right, you would have to. Check right you have to like. Go a year. Later and look back and see like, OK, what were the grades like and how did that work out for me? Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome program, dude. It's awesome idea. It's really cool. Yeah, yeah. Set up my game.com, check it out. Yeah, go into okay, dude. Let's call it here just because everybody's up, everyone's up and about. There's tons of fun, yeah. This is long. This is shit out. Yeah, dude. There's more I want to even get to, but we're not going. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's okay, we'll get to the next time, but this is a lot of fun, dude.

1:39:33 We should. We'll do it again, I hope. I would love to. I'd love. To and when you have proper mics, we have. Proper mics, Yeah, I'll do. How about this? I'll get a proper mic if we're, if we're doing it on the phone, if you have a proper mic too. So our audio call is OK. Yeah, I'll do it. OK, dude, thanks so much for doing this. It's a lot of fun. All right, Bye everyone.