#107: Janet Tamez

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together

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and We're Live.
Welcome back.

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How's it going?
Welcome.

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Thanks so much for coming,
Janet.

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It's good to have.
You.

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Thank you.
Do you wanna tell me a little

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bit about actually, I'm gonna, I
could introduce the fact that

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what popped out to me on your
LinkedIn profile was that you're

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a writer and a teacher.
And that really that that

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strikes me because I rate a lot
in my free time.

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And like my, you know, my degree
in college was in creative

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writing and literature.
I love writing and I love

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teaching and I teach part time.
And, you know, I find it, I find

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it really important to make time
to continue teaching.

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And I think education is on the
most important things in the

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world.
So from there on, you tell me a

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little bit about yourself.
Yeah, I kind of like went into

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teaching.
It just happened.

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Like my degree is in English.
Your degree is in English as

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well, right?
Yeah.

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Creative writing.
So creative writing, that's the

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same thing.
I, I studied at the University

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of Miami and then I just kind
of, I did some copywriting work

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right after and then I just kind
of went into teaching somehow

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and just stayed there.
But then eventually, like now in

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my 40s, I was like, I, you know,
I just thought I just wanted to

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go back to what I really loved
and which is publishing and

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literature and book.
So I did a career change and I

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just earned my master's this way
and.

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Congratulations.
So exciting.

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Wow, was that was that tough to
do, to go back to school?

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It was because I didn't leave
teaching.

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I was still like working full
time and I was, you know, taking

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classes and I, I didn't want to
drag it out, but so it was, it

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was tough, but.
Tell me about what that would

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tell me what that how, how, how
the balance was.

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So you're taking what kind of
classes were wait, So what was

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the masters in?
And then what were the kind of

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classes like and how did you
balance it with your with your

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life?
Because that's why I feel like,

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at least for me, I like every
time I think about grad school,

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I'm like, I don't have time.
Like, you know, work and this

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and teaching and my family and I
have two kids and any of a

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family and, you know, how do you
do it?

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It was it was hard, but you
know, like my husband, he would

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take the kids.
I'm like, I need like a few

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hours at home by myself, take
the kids.

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I don't know what you're going
to do.

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You know, he would just take
them because my son plays

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soccer.
So, and that's kind of what

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brought us, you know, we just
came back from, you know, Mexico

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because we spent a year in
Mexico for my son.

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So anyways, while we were in the
United States, he would take my

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son to to play in the field and
take the other kids and they

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would run around and, and that's
what how we would manage.

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Right.
It's crazy.

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It's very patient of him.
How many kids do you have?

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I have 4:00, it's awesome.
It's awesome, it's awesome.

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And the boys, girls.
Yeah, I have both 2 like 2 boys,

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2 girls.
Oh, nice.

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Yeah.
And I kind of have them 10 years

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apart.
So they, the older ones do help

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out the younger ones.
And sometimes that that's how I

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did manage my studies.
Like I'll have my older kids

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take the younger ones to like
the park.

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Like, you know, there's a little
park in the community.

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Like, OK, I need some time.
I have to log into class, go

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take the kids to the park for
like 2 hours.

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And you know, I'll let you know.
I'll text you when I'm done.

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Totally be able to have that
when when I was in college,

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there was a rabbi that was on
campus and he had like without

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that exaggerating, I think like
6 kids under 10.

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And I was like, how do you, how
do you do it?

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And he's like, and, and, and,
and I'd watch as the weeks went

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on because I'd, I'd, I'd visit
on, you know, I'd go to services

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and stuff and I'd watch his
kids.

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And the five year old is helping
the three-year olds cross the

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street and looking both ways.
And then the 10 year old, you

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know, meets them at the door and
is running around with food for

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everyone and helping throw food
away.

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And it's so cool just to see
like, you know, like when you

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have that kind, when you have
the need for responsibility,

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even kids step up, you know,
even like, you know, 3 or 4 year

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old who really step up and and
help out.

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It's really cool.
Yeah, for sure.

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Because there were times when I,
you know, my kids were in school

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and I have the two younger ones
at home homeschooling then like

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my last semester.
And I'm like, listen, I need you

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guys to go upstairs and don't
come down, you know, and then

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like, and, and they would know,
they would kind of understand.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're intuitive too.

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I've known you know, which is
which is really cool.

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So you so you so before teaching
you originally, you originally

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started with writing.
You wanted to be with your

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English degree?
Yeah, with with.

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OK, so you that's what caught
you first.

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You want to be a writer?
Yes.

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What kind of writing do you like
to do?

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I like creative writing, so
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So right now I'm like, starting
to focus more on blog writing

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and I am working on a novel that
I like.

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Yeah.
So I'm kind of editing that and

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that's, you know, another
project.

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What's your relationship with
editing?

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Because I hate editing and some
of my other friends who are like

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great writers love to edit.
They say that's their favorite

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part.
What I like about writing is

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catching the spontaneous
thoughts and ideas in my head

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and writing them down.
And so to me, editing is almost

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like a different type of skill.
It's a different type of of job,

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you know.
Yeah, I think editing for me

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requires that like, which
requires less mental work.

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I think the creativity is like
when I have to write creatively,

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I can't have any distractions.
But when I'm editing and it's

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all in the pace and I can, you
know, I can have some busyness

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going on around me, some
distractions, I can do it with

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my kids.
But if I'm writing like, and I'm

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like writing the story and it's
just very raw.

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It's like I don't, I have to
find a space where there's

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nobody around me, so.
We can get in the zone.

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Yes, exactly.
Gotcha, gotcha.

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So what was University of Miami
like when you were there?

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Because I actually just went
there recently to interview a

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professor there and she'd and
she'd been there, she'd gone to

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school there and she was telling
me about some of the changes

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that have happened since the
80s, you know, at University of

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Miami.
But would you, what was your

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experience like there?
What was it?

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What were the What was it like?
That's funny you say that

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because I, I like, I got an
alumni magazine and it was like

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showing all the articles of
like, you know, 100 years of,

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UM, and, and all the football
team and the, the library.

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So it does have a really long
history.

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But when I was there, what I can
remember most was I guess the

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creative writing department, my
professors, they were really

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cool and they would allow me to
kind of sit in on the, on their

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graduate classes.
So I was an undergrad and knew

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how serious.
Yeah.

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So it was really cool to kind of
sit in and actually like I would

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participate in the assignments.
I wouldn't get graded because

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I'm not officially in the class,
but yeah, I would, you know, do

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it.
And, and so they were really

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open and flexible about just
letting me sit in their grad

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classes.
So I, I kind of, you know, they

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had.
That experience too, by the way.

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Yeah, I wonder if that's, I
wonder if that's an English

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thing, because I think that like
I had professors that would just

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like, if I like them, I would
just pop into all their classes

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and, you know, they'd welcome
you and they'd be.

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And then, you know, and they'd
be like, you know, we're happy

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you're here.
And like, if you're here to

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learn about things that you're
interested in, then like, come

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on in, you know, like, who cares
about, who cares about the

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grade?
Like if you want to learn, you

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want to hang out, then hang out.
One thing I, I realized

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recently, because I, I was, I'm
always trying to think about

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ways to kind of be a better
teacher.

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I'm not, you know, I, I, because
I have to figure out how to

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balance time and to be a good
teacher, you really need to

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invest a lot of a lot into
feedback, a lot into grading, a

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lot into responsiveness.
Like that's most of where kids

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learn from is, is, you know,
the, the response to their own

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behavior.
I feel like because that's what

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they're all they're focused on,
you know, like, you know, I

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remember I, I just as a student,
I would, I would never care

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about anyone else's work.
You know, I'd want to know what,

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you know, what I was doing and
then what I could do better or

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worse, you know, whatever I was
doing.

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And I told.
And so I told the students,

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like, I'm here because I'm
excited to be here and because I

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want to volunteer my time and
like, do this, but you guys

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aren't coming at this from the
same place as me.

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You guys are here because you
have to be here and because your

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parents will kill you if you're
not here.

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It's like you don't feel like
you really you should be there,

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you know, and like, you don't
really care whether you're there

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or not or what's happening in
class.

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And so I think it's so
refreshing that, you know, for

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professors, when you see that
people are willing to, you know,

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take a graduate, you know, take
a, you know, go to college and

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get a higher degree in the
English language or, you know,

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creative writing.
Like they know that you're doing

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that because you want to be
there, you know, And so, and,

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and so they know that you're
going to be like excited and

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invested and you want to learn.
And like, I think that that's

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kind of what the value of that
world is, is like, you know,

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like you're not there because
you have to be, because it's

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going to hook you up with a good
job afterwards.

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Like it's notorious for not
doing that, you know, but you do

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it because of passion.
You do it because you love it.

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Yeah, it's true.
Like even now, like in my

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master's program, you know,
they're, they do the best that

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they can to try to pace you for
work.

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You know, there's mentorship,
mentorship and internships,

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which I couldn't do the
internships because I was, you

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know, I had a full time job as a
teacher.

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So, you know, I, I did a lot of
mentoring, but I think they

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really want to help you succeed.
But what do?

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They do.
Well, my, my schooling was

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online, so they would, I would
meet with like a publishing

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professor like every month and
just talk to them.

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They would tell me their
journey.

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And a lot of their journey was
just like, you know, good luck,

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honestly.
Like, you know, and I'm like,

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I'm, I'm going to school.
I'm, you know, working, you

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know, hard to get in this field.
And like, you have the story of

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this guy who's like, goes to the
bar and meets somebody who just

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so happens to work like in this
great publishing house.

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And it's like, come apply, you
know, like.

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And then, you know, all these
stories that I'm like, wow.

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It's just like, really good
luck, you know, how these people

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get in.
Yeah.

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So, you know, it's it was a
little bit like, it's

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heartening, but, you know, I'm.
I'm so I'm still trying to get

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my first publishing job and
that's why I'm doing a lot of

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blog writing because I think,
you know, I have to like a lot

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of people kind of do like do
entrepreneurship and try to make

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their way.
If they can't get into a

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publishing house, they'll just
kind of, you know, self publish

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or write, write their own stuff
and kind of, you know, go

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through that route.
You have to learn how to be kind

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of flexible in the writing
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Yeah.
So why don't you, do you know

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how the publishing process works
to get your work submitted?

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Yeah.
What's the process for that

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like?
So for people who are

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interested, you definitely have
to research the publishing

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houses and see if your work
matches theirs because a lot of

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the times when you get
rejections is because your work

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is not like what they want or
what they're looking for.

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So once you have, you can see

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it.
And if there's open submissions,

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you can, you know, submit
there's like, you know,

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guidelines for how to send your
manuscripts.

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It's kind of rare to kind of
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like small publishing houses who
are still looking to publish,

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but most of the time you'll
probably need a literary agent

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to represent you and submit your
work for you.

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So the dynamic is that the
writers want them more than they

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want the writers.
Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.
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And because I see, so it's
publishing is almost like any

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other aspect of entertainment in
terms of like acting or, you

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know, directing or anything like
that.

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Like, you know, there's the big
people that will give you your

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jobs.
You have the studios, you have

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whatever.
And then you have your agent

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because you're talented, but no
one would have ever have heard

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of you.
And there's so many people out

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there always trying to get their
work submitted and trying to get

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famous overnight that that a lot
of that that they're probably

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overwhelmed all the time with
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That's why I mean, so publishing
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So you have.
Yeah, it's very elite.

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It's very elite.
And almost like you have to be a

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celebrity.
You have to have like a big

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following in social media for
people to really like want you.

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That's why that's why, you know,
I'm trying to blog, right?

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I'm trying to like build my
audience.

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You know, you if you have to
make yourself like marketable,

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so it is, it's very elite.
You have to, you know, sell

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yourself basically.
It's not just a writing.

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There's so much more.
At the end of the day, it's a

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business and they want to make
sure that if you publish I'm not

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being somebody's, you have an
audience and fans to buy it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I always talk
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It's funny.
I I love, I, I love live music.

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I love going to loving.
I love going to hear music.

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all these like local little

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joints and local little bars or
whatever have these incredible,

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incredible musicians that come
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And I realized that like there's
a lot more talent in this world

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than there is fame.
You know, there's a lot more

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people that are talented, that
are capable that like what

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publishing or write or do
incredible, incredible,

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incredible creative endeavors
and don't.

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And you'll never hear of them,
you know, and they'll be in a

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local coffee shop somewhere or
in the subway or, you know,

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trying to play on this, you
know, trying to trying to busk

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in Ireland or something like
that, you know, and, and, and

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you'll never know, you know,
you'll never hear of them ever

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again.
And like, and then, you know,

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then you have, you know, you
keep on having guys like, what's

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Harrison Ford, you know, at 95
years old, you know, being cast

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in movies over and over and over
again.

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And you're like, what about all
the young?

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What about all the, you know,
people that are like ready to

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go?
What about all the new talent?

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What about all the exciting
young, you know, young potential

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out there?
But I feel like a lot of

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industries are like that, that
they're just kind of like

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they're hanging on to like the
old and they're not letting the

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new in.
Yeah, it's true.

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You know, like they say in
writing, you're not going to get

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famous, you're not going to get
rich off of writing like, you

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know, like those best sellers or
you know, Stephen King.

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You know, you can't like you
have to define your own success.

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Like what is success for you?
Like even if it's just like one

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small published, you know,
publishing house, you publish a

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book or even self publish
because self published is not

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what people think.
It's it's very respectable

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nowadays.
Yeah.

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Like, before it used to be
taboo, but now it's like, you

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know, it's kind of a path into
publishing.

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So yeah, you have to measure
what success is for you,

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especially as a writer, because
it's, it's definitely not for,

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you know, getting, yeah, not
getting rich and famous, you

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know?
Yeah, I was just, it's so funny

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you say that because I was just
in Amsterdam last week and I've

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never been there before it.
Was.

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It was.
Awesome.

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It was such a great place.
I've been raving about it since

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I got since I left, but since I
got there even.

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But one thing I was, you know,
and I took a riverboat tour with

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one of my friends and, and I'm
talking to one of the women that

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was on the, that guys, I was
working there.

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And she is Egyptian,
Argentinian, That's where our

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family.
And then she grew up in the UAE

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and we're just talking about
like how we enjoyed the pace and

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like the quality of life.
And she was also, I, I think an

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English or communications major
or something like that.

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She wanted to go into like
charity worker and we're talking

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about how in the states people
are just like sell their mothers

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if they needed, you know, for
for to, to get ahead.

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And like she's like, there's so
many artists with integrity here

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and there's so many, you know,
people with like that that don't

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care about the money and like
don't want don't care to be

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bought out.
And they just have their own

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like what you were saying they
had their own measurement of

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success, you know, in their
head.

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Like, listen, success for me is
finishing this incredible poem

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that really describes the way
that, you know, the turmoil that

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I'm going through in this point
of my life that my family can't.

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Like, that's what I think when I
write a lot, when I when I

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capture how I feel, I think one
of my kids and grandkids going

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to read this one, you know,
hopefully read this one day.

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And when they're going through
the same thing, like to me,

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that's successful.
Like, you know, I mean, I could,

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you know, that's that's way more
important than getting published

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and massive success and not
being able to walk outside

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without an entourage, you know,
that without the paparazzi or a

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bunch of people trying to dock
you there, you know?

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Yeah, I had just like the other
day, I was like packing up and

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there was like I saw like this
little tote bag that I picked up

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at A at a book fair in Mexico.
And it's like it says at the end

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of the day or something like
that, we all become stories.

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And it's true, like what you're
saying.

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And it's just like, step with
me.

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I'm like, it's true.
You know, you're and you want to

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tell those stories and you have
talented writers in your family,

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You know, that's awesome that
can tell the story of your

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family.
And a lot of people do like

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publish books about their family
and kind of just.

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Yeah, yeah.
Just if that's their successor,

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publishing something that they
can pass down.

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This is your family legacy.
This is the story.

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Because, you know.
Yeah.

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So what's your what's your
writing process?

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How often do you write these
days?

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Or not often?
Or when you were writing, what

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was your process?
You know, I think I really got

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heavily into it when I moved
abroad because I where were you

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this year?
This year we we moved to

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Monterrey, Mexico for my son.
My son plays soccer and, you

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know, we're kind of supporting
his career.

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So my husband did.
Yeah, my, my husband did live in

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the Netherlands last year, like
the year before.

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And we were separated.
Like he was with my, my son.

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And then I was with the rest of
the kids in the United States.

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And he was just like, you know,
got him in the clubs and doing

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all that stuff.
And then we were trying to

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figure out what he did.
For his career.

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Yeah.
It's really amazing.

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This year we were like, OK,
let's try to figure out how we

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could do this together, you
know, because it was very tough.

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So we found a way to like do it
in Mexico because I'm part

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Mexican.
So I ended up getting my city,

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you know, you can have your dual
citizenship people United States

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and Mexican.
So I, I ended up getting my

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citizenship, passing it down to
my kids and then getting my

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husband in.
And we all like, this happened

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like in one summer, like, OK, we
get all the paperwork and we

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went and I spent some time
teaching English in the schools

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there.
And then like half the year I

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kind of finished out my masters
and just was writing full, you

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know, just like, oh, yeah.
And it takes a while, you know.

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Yeah.
I was like, it kind of tapped

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into, I think when you live
abroad, you learn more about

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yourself.
You learn what you don't want to

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do.
And that's when I realized, you

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know what I really don't want to
teach.

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This is what I love.
I love literature.

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I love I was.
And so I kind of just.

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Focused on writing even more, I
started up my blogs again

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because I would start up blogs
and never finish them or not be,

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you know, consistent because you
have to like that's the.

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Hardest thing with that's the
hardest thing with writing, it's

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the hardest.
Thing yes, and and there was a

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class in publishing that's like
it was very important.

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It's like if you want to be a
credible publisher, you have to

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be consistent.
You know you, and that's how

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you're trustworthy, you know,
otherwise, if you're publishing

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randomly, you're not, you know,
you're not going to be

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trustworthy.
Yeah.

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So I mean, that's what I
struggle with.

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But you don't have to set a
time.

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But I was writing a lot, you
know, and started up my blog.

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You, you, you sit down.
You just sit down at dark room

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and you just go for it.
Do you need light?

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Do you need music playing?
What do you?

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Do No.
I mean, honestly, I I wish, you

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know, I read a lot of stories of
writers that have their own

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process.
Like Maya Angelou would like,

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rent a hotel room and write all
day.

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Oh, yeah.
And then.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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But.
That's a change of scenery, by

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the way, I'm sure.
And but she would rent like not

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a she would rent like in a
cheesy, like like a really like

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sketchy hotel and like, I guess
cuz she, you know, to get into

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the grittiness of her story,
like it wasn't like she's like

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in a night 5 star hotel.
She would get a motel, actually,

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and write.
Yeah.

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And then and then I would read
some, you know, stories about

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other writers like Sandra
Cisneros, like she got her her

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fellow, like her grant.
And she wrote in one of her

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favorite books in like the
Greek, in Greek, in like the

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islands of and Greece.
And I'm like, well, that's nice.

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You know, I, I just had to write
in the mid sometimes, you know,

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when the kids are upstairs or
the kids are out of the house or

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sometimes early in the morning,
you know, when they're kind of

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sleeping, but they would wake
up, you know, so you just got to

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do what, what you have to and
just kind of right.

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Sometimes I'd have to stop and
then come back to it and attend

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to my kids and then come back to
it, you know?

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Yeah.
And then you have to start over,

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get yourself back in that.
Zone.

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Yeah, you know you're starting.
You're in a flow and then you're

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like, you get up and then you
come back and you're like, where

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was I?
You almost wish you could just

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pick up from like.
Exactly.

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Yeah, I'll be writing in them.
And because they're like, I'm

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hungry.
I'm like, wait, can you just

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wait?
And I'm like, you know, but

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there are some writers that were
like, I would, you know, Google,

446
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,120
like, can you know, ChatGPT,
like, can you give me some

447
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,120
inspiration like of, of, you
know, mom writers And they like

448
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,680
they would tell me, OK, don't
worry.

449
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,120
You know, these, you know, who
was it Harry Potter that the

450
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,640
author, she would, she, she
would write like in a cafe with

451
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,400
her baby in the stroller next to
her, you know?

452
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,840
Yeah.
And I think Toni Morrison wrote

453
00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,360
as a single mom, you know, so
there's a lot of writers that

454
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,960
do, you know, they do it and you
get inspired.

455
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,560
You're like, OK, you know, they
did it somehow.

456
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,640
And as a mom writing and, and
sometimes you kind of feel like,

457
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,280
you know, there was one.
There was a writer, Sandra

458
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,840
Cisneros.
She's my favorite writer.

459
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,560
And I had to remember reading a
interview from her and she and a

460
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,240
student had written to her and
said, I go what, what I think it

461
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,560
was like an interview that I
read like people are like, what

462
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,440
advice you should have as a
writer.

463
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,360
And one of her advice was like,
don't have kids.

464
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,000
And I'm like, how can you give
advice like, and I love to it

465
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,240
broke my heart to read that.
But I understood, like where

466
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,720
she's coming from because, you
know, a lot of, you know, you

467
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720
know, if you're going to be
focused on your own, it's, it's

468
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,040
hard.
But yeah, I was like, Oh my God,

469
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,920
you know how this is like
horrible.

470
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,440
I have like 4 kids, you know,
how am I going to do this?

471
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,360
But.
And then I had to find other

472
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:56,520
writers that did have kids and
they did do it and like, you

473
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,360
know, read their BIOS to kind of
get inspiration.

474
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:00,840
Yeah.
Like, I could do this.

475
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,920
I could do this.
Yeah.

476
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,360
Totally, totally, totally.
That's where music helps me

477
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,960
actually.
That's a lot of times when I'm

478
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,320
going through like particular
phases in my life and you know,

479
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,960
I kind of, I need that little
like push in my head to convince

480
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,600
myself that I could do it.
You know, a lot of times I'll

481
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:24,600
find music that will match the
tone of either how I feel or

482
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,600
will like, you know, like
Springsteen was like a huge

483
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,160
example in terms of, you know,
if I was really feeling lost and

484
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600
like I, I was trying to like,
figure out my way through life

485
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,720
and like, I felt like no one,
like everyone else hadn't worked

486
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,320
out except for me, you know, or
even, you know, like I'm never

487
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,160
going to get it worked out.
You know, I'd listen to his, I'd

488
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,200
listen to, you know, his Born to
Run album and like I'd hear that

489
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,480
there's other humans, not only
though there's another artist

490
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,320
out there that felt that way,
but there's millions and

491
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,760
millions of people for the last
50 years that keep going to his

492
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,520
shows because they feel the same
way too.

493
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,680
And like, you know, and like you
feel through that and you

494
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,680
realize that like you're not the
only one out there that's going

495
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,320
through this.
And like, you could make it, you

496
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,040
know, like you could, you could
go another day.

497
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,520
But even in terms of my creative
writing, sometimes, you know,

498
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,120
like I, it's always, it's
obviously almost like, like a

499
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,200
muscle, you know, and, or like,
you know, like putty, like you

500
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280
got like really pull at it.
And then and then and it gets

501
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,720
stretched out.
I would listen to Van Morrison

502
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,360
and Bob Dylan because they were
like, they had these weird, like

503
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,320
first of all, the writing,
they're like the actual poetry

504
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,520
is just bizarre, you know, and,
and very spiritual and very

505
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,960
retail and like, very like, you
know, almost like prophetic.

506
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,720
And then Bob Dylan is just a
word vomit of like poetry, you

507
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,880
know, like he just jams all
these lyrics.

508
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,960
And and so I'll just listen and
I'll listen to just the details

509
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,440
of the craziness and the
wackiness and be like, oh, like

510
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,600
that's fun.
Like, you know, you could do

511
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,040
that.
Like, you know, and, and and

512
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,240
that really that kind of clicks
my brain into, yeah, I do find

513
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,400
obviously that like you, you
could tell when I finish that

514
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,280
there's inspiration.
Like you could tell that some of

515
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,160
the imagery will tend to match,
but that's how I, that's how I

516
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,480
get like, you know, the ball
rolling for myself sometimes

517
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,840
It's music is really, really
helpful in that sense.

518
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,400
Yeah, I think when you're a
creative person, you just tapped

519
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,800
into like a lot of different
creativity, like forms of

520
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,360
creativity, like whether it's
music, art, you know?

521
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320
Yeah, I have to get into art.
I have to get more into art

522
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,760
rather.
But yeah, as far as like, I look

523
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,160
at, I look at film or I look at
certain directors or, you know,

524
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,720
yeah, movies, like I watched
them as art.

525
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Like, I watched them as like,
oh, what's this guy?

526
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,520
You know, one of my favorite
examples is Scorsese's Mean

527
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,200
Streets.
I don't know if you ever saw

528
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,480
that movie, but it's it the
whole movie.

529
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040
Like Scorsese always did this
thing, and that's what made Wolf

530
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,400
on Wall Street.
I think part of what, like was

531
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,320
so cool about it.
His style is that first of all,

532
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,360
he uses a lot of narration.
So he'll have the, you know, the

533
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:08,840
main guy's voice telling you the
whole story.

534
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,120
And then he'll he'll freeze a
shot at one particular moment.

535
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,760
And it's usually like a sloppy
or degenerate moment to like

536
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760
force the audience to that, like
to talk, to force the audience

537
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,680
and understanding that this is
what's happening right now and

538
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,200
this is a pivotal moment.
And like all this corruption and

539
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,440
all this, whatever, this is the
moment where it's starting and

540
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,800
this is the moment where it's
falling apart.

541
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,160
And like, he actually will break
down the narrative for you, if

542
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,680
you're, if you will, if you're
willing to open your eyes to it,

543
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,880
you know, like he almost like
forces that perspective on you.

544
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,520
It's awesome.
Yeah, movies are definitely an

545
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,480
inspiration for me in my writing
too.

546
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Like when I, when I was doing
research for my novel, I would,

547
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,800
I would rent a lot of movies
that were kind of like the theme

548
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,720
of my novel and kind of like the
storyline.

549
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,440
And I would, you know, analyze
the movies.

550
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,800
It's a coming of age.
So, and it's definitely like,

551
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,520
but it has like vibes of like
Jersey, like, you know, Jersey

552
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
girl who wants to like live in
the city.

553
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,400
So I, I, you know, I got a lot
of themes of like, like Mystic

554
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,080
pizza was like an old store.
Like, you know, I watched that

555
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,800
one Jersey girl.
Like a lot of these even, or

556
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,520
even like stories that were
like, you know, rags to riches

557
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,080
type of stories I watched.
What is it?

558
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,720
My goodness, I don't know.
I can't even think of in the

559
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,160
head, but.
But yeah.

560
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,360
And because script writing is
all do you?

561
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,880
Watch Personally Being a
Wildflower.

562
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,760
No, I I heard of that book.
That's yeah, the book.

563
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,680
The book and the movie are both
excellent.

564
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,480
They're both great coming of age
stories that might be able to

565
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,600
help with some inspiration.
How long are you working on the

566
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,640
novel for?
So look, that, that has been a

567
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,160
while and I think, and it's
really sad because, but I, but,

568
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,760
you know, it's not, it's
typical.

569
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,480
A lot of writers have novels
that they've been working on for

570
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,000
like years.
So I, I started like, it's gonna

571
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000
be like 10 years, but it's not
that I have been.

572
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,400
So I, I like, I started it and
then I took a big gap away from

573
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,200
it and then I kind of finished
the last chapter like this year

574
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,000
because I had to like 90% and
like that closing chapter I just

575
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,440
didn't finish.
Yeah.

576
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,920
And so and then I finally
finished it and now I'm in the

577
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,080
editing phase where I have to go
back and edit and kind of fix it

578
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,800
up.
But what?

579
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Did it feel like when you
finally finished it, when you

580
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760
finished that last?
Chapter, it was great because

581
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,720
they say that that's like the
hardest part is like is

582
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,800
finishing your first draft.
Yeah, like finishing it

583
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,200
completely and then going back
and editing is like, you know,

584
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,360
it's easier.
But yeah.

585
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,960
And I think like, as I look back
at right now, like the time, I'm

586
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,720
like that time did help shape
the story because I think it

587
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,400
would have been different if I
didn't have, like, this

588
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,480
perspective on.
Like it changes, you know, like

589
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,760
what you think your story is
about, especially time in

590
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,080
between, it kind of helps you.
Like what is the true message of

591
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,680
my story?
But yeah, so it.

592
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,320
Could be a cool exercise to try
to continue the story like on a

593
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,000
separate like creative like
endeavour to continue.

594
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Try to continue the story from
the perspective.

595
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,880
Try to remember what things were
like when you started it, you

596
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,680
know, like what your life was
like at that point.

597
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,240
And then try to continue in that
mindset.

598
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,200
I don't know if you can, but it
sounds like a cool idea.

599
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,280
You know, a lot of there's this
thing, if you kind of just

600
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,400
reminded me, I just discovered
it.

601
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,600
It's called like I think 750
words a day, I think.

602
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,360
And it's like it's a website and
you have to you go on and you

603
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,720
write 750 words.
Yeah, sevenits750words.com and

604
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,120
you and it and it makes you wake
up, I've heard.

605
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,320
Of this.
Yeah, and then you just write

606
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,680
like your first, it's supposed
to be equivalent of 3 pages,

607
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,920
like your first 3 pages a day.
They, they created it to 750

608
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640
words.
And I had read about a writer

609
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,200
who kind of like does that as
part of her writing routine,

610
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,560
warming up or even like giving
back on information on like what

611
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,600
she's doing that day.
So like how you said you can go

612
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,720
back and think of like, it's
like journaling, OK.

613
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,680
Like I'm, you know, this morning
I had a cup of coffee.

614
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,680
I wore my favorite like cats,
you know, T-shirt, Broadway

615
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,040
T-shirt, whatever.
Cuz the details are always

616
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,440
what's important in writing.
So if you capture little details

617
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,520
you can incorporate that in your
writing.

618
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,560
So I'm trying to make.
That makes good writing.

619
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,640
There's all.
That yeah, yeah.

620
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,240
So I'm trying to be consistent
with that too.

621
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760
And it's good because it kind of
tracks, you know?

622
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,440
OK, are you on a streak?
You know, it's kind of like it's

623
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,560
AI, so it helps you, you know,
and I think these AI tools kind

624
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,000
of I, I, I like it.
I do like the old school

625
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,840
journals because I had journals
back then when I was in college.

626
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,520
But I do like this because it
helps me know, OK, I, I missed

627
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,360
like 3 days, you know, I have to
let me go back.

628
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,240
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.

629
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,040
I think AI is great for
collaboration.

630
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,000
I think it really is.
I think that like, you know, for

631
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,720
anything, you know, for writing
for, you know, for my podcast,

632
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,040
for, for even for business.
I was talking to my

633
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,720
brother-in-law about this
because we were talking about

634
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,040
his family's from Philly
originally and then they live in

635
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000
in Jersey now in in Passaic
area.

636
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:45,880
And we're talking about how you
like, we will all the steps that

637
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,120
it takes to that it used to take
to write, to brainstorm, to, you

638
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,880
know, to get to get leads for
sales, for customers, for for

639
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,240
anything you want to do, for
marketing, for networking, All

640
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,000
that could be done in a fraction
of the time, in a fraction of

641
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,920
the time with AI, you know what
takes people.

642
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Years.
Of like networking, like even

643
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,160
with this podcast, right?
Like with my podcast, I just

644
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,680
went to AI was like, listen, I'm
interested in XY and Z, can you

645
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,040
please crawl my podcast site for
the types of guests that I have

646
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,800
and give me 10 recommendations
of people or types of people to

647
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080
talk to.
And that saved me and what would

648
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720
have taken me what I know,
because until I thought of doing

649
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,680
that, I was literally spending
3-4 hours a night, you know?

650
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,640
Just.
Looking up just to send out five

651
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,680
or six emails to people to
introduce myself.

652
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,760
And it does this in a matter of
seconds.

653
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,920
And so like, Oh my God, now I
have more time to do everything

654
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,880
I've, you know, so, so I think
that if like what we're going to

655
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,920
need now it with AI, if we use
it as a good like companion,

656
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,800
it's just a discipline to
actually use the tools, like the

657
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,880
tool, like all the information
is being given to us.

658
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,800
And the question is, are you
actually going to pick up the

659
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,200
pen in right now?
Are you going to, you know,

660
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,960
actually open the docs and and,
you know, do and and do the

661
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,120
creative writing now that you
have?

662
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,600
These ideas.
Now that you have this

663
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,760
assistant, you know.
It's true because now like, you

664
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,960
know, writers sometimes like
your writer, you just want to

665
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,239
write your story.
You don't want to like focus on

666
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,719
like my social media post
because and, and social media is

667
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,760
so important as a writer, you
know, developing your presence,

668
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,560
but if you're managing your
social media, you can't get back

669
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,719
to your, your writing and what
you really want to do.

670
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Yeah, totally.
I, I that's what I'm stuck with

671
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,520
right now.
I'm trying to figure out how to,

672
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:33,199
you know, I, I can't, I have
such a, I have such a hard time.

673
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,120
And I also don't care for, to,
you know, to deal with social

674
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,520
media.
And I know how unhealthy it is

675
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,840
for my, for my brain.
Even something stupid like I

676
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,800
leave a comment on something on
Twitter, right?

677
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,639
And I get 2 responses into the
most vehement, obnoxious

678
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,800
responses to something that was,
you know, that was just like a

679
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,880
polite joke, you know, whatever
it is.

680
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,360
And maybe it's obviously being
misinterpreted and that's, you

681
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,000
know, that's fine.
But like, just that amount of

682
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,800
like yelling and negativity in
order just to keep up a presence

683
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
so that you can continue being
creative is crazy.

684
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,520
Like, it's crazy you have to
deal with that, you know?

685
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,360
But that's why, you know, that's
why you have to hire some kid to

686
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,920
do it.
You know, that you have to get,

687
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,040
you know, some high school
that's looking for an internship

688
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,040
or work experience.
And, you know, they're doing

689
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,800
this anyway.
But yeah.

690
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,720
The AI tools, you know, there's
like a, I guess talk and

691
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,360
publishing that like AI is
taking all the entry level jobs,

692
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,680
you know, that they can, they
can do like, and they can whip

693
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,280
up these like, you know, stories
that are, you know, that don't

694
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,120
really need, you know, a writer
behind it.

695
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,360
Honestly, like everyone, I like,
I have written a article so far

696
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,240
back about like how newspapers
were using AI to like dish out

697
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,360
news like, you know, because
it's straight to the fact

698
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,200
there's no creative, you know,
you know, very journalistic, you

699
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,640
know, like was it the Washington
Post had, I think it's called

700
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,240
like Paleo or Helio, something
that that was their AI.

701
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,280
But nowadays it's it's true,
like, you know, the AI clicks

702
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,440
with a lot of the.
A ton, a ton.

703
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,200
And, and the truth is that like
you can discern for sure.

704
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,680
I I think like you can kind of
tell once you start to realize

705
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,040
the pattern, you can recognize
like what's AI created or not.

706
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,080
It's funny why students try
using it.

707
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,840
It's so cute.
They're like, you know, they're

708
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,360
10th graders and their
vocabulary, the level of 6th

709
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,600
graders.
And all of a sudden they're

710
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,760
using words like, you know,
oblique.

711
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,760
And I'm like subsequently and
I'm like, you don't know how to

712
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,360
use the word subsequently ever.
Man, I don't know what you're

713
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,880
talking about, but but but I
don't even mind if they use it.

714
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080
What I told them is that a kid?
What I, and I struggle with this

715
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,360
trying to figure out what's the
point?

716
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,120
Like what are you trying to
teach in English If AI is doing

717
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,760
all this stuff, like what are
you trying to teach?

718
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,560
And I think that, and I think
for me, the answer is

719
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,880
communication and your ability
to express yourself, because AI

720
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,600
will never really be able to
express your own thoughts.

721
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,320
And I've known in my life at
least, that the times that I've

722
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,120
been most depressed or anxious
or that things have weighed like

723
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,560
life has weighed most heavily on
me, is when I could not find a

724
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,040
way to express myself or I had
the words to describe it.

725
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,400
And then like almost once I
figure out a way to get it out,

726
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,280
then I, once I figure out a way
to get it out, the burden is

727
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,120
almost like partial, almost
like, you know, half of it's

728
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,760
gone, you know, like just saying
the words and just getting it

729
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,440
out like helps you.
But until then, it's kind of

730
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,160
just living in your head and it
just weighs on you, you know?

731
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:49,520
Yeah, I think, I think AI really
has helped like students who

732
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,880
have been like, I guess, you
know, below proficiency or, or

733
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:02,280
maybe have, you know, challenges
with, with writing because you

734
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,080
know, there's, there's everybody
has their skill.

735
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680
If they're like, you know, I had
I remember there was a student

736
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,600
in my class and he you know, he
is she struggled with writing

737
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:17,840
and when ChatGPT came up, I'm
just like use it, help it write

738
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,080
your rough draft and then like
always have a rough draft and

739
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,760
then use it to level level up
and then word edit it from

740
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,000
it'll.
So I think it does, it does, I

741
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,720
guess, help people who kind of,
you know, writing is writing is

742
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,920
hard and writing isn't for
everyone and not everyone is, is

743
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,160
a skilled writer.
So it does help, you know, it,

744
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,720
it helps level up people who
kind of really need it 'cause

745
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,680
they have other talents that if
it can't be seen if their

746
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,160
writing is, is bad.
So, yeah.

747
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,600
So I think it like I, you know,
when I think of my kids future,

748
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,120
you know, my students as well,
I'm like, you know, I, I hope

749
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,320
that, you know, ChatGPT and
things like that can help them

750
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,840
become a better writer so that
they can succeed in college and,

751
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,240
and, you know, use it.
But yeah, definitely not

752
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,120
plagiarizing, but helping them
feel but get the confidence to

753
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,560
like, oh, I wrote this, this
kind of sounds good.

754
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,000
You know, I can't really like do
something like this.

755
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,960
So, yeah, it is boosting
confidence, I think, and

756
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,440
helping, you know, being
efficient for for writers for,

757
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,000
you know, to, you know, focus on
the things that they like to do

758
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,760
and pick the platforms that they
liked.

759
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,800
Like, like LinkedIn is supposed
to have a really good reputation

760
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,480
for being a positive platform.
Like when in my studies and

761
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,600
publishing they were talking
about how like different

762
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,200
platforms, like the psychology
of platforms.

763
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,600
That's so.
Cool your, your ego, your like

764
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,000
the different levels of your
psychology and like what each

765
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,080
platform does and how like for
Instagram and and Facebook, you

766
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,760
want to like show your, you're
like, I think like super Eagle

767
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,280
or something like that.
And you want to, you know, show

768
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,200
your best self.
You're not really being

769
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000
authentic, but you want people,
you want to prove your, your

770
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,120
like, what people want to see.
Like, you know, the outside.

771
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,760
It's not really true.
It's superficial, right?

772
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,040
It's superficial, exactly, but
LinkedIn is very like you know

773
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,200
it.
Really is.

774
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,640
It's such a positive network.
Yeah, I've found.

775
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Also like that people are like,
it's an awesome tool for

776
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,120
network, like really an awesome
tool for networking and not in

777
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,680
like the lazy.
It's funny because I feel like

778
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,960
there's a lazy way to network
and that's like people that have

779
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,680
like those 500 connections, but
like don't know any of them are.

780
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,680
And like, they just kind of add
people all the time, which is

781
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,200
like one thing.
But.

782
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,880
Actually, I use LinkedIn to like
find people that have jobs that

783
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,240
I think are interesting or like
cool, you know, do cool things.

784
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,680
And then I'll and then like, and
then you could just introduce

785
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,200
yourself.
Like you could like find you can

786
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,640
introduce yourself to find you
find you find the company e-mail

787
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,680
address and you say, Hey, you
know, I think what you do is

788
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,880
super cool.
I'd love to, I'd love to

789
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,600
introduce myself and just get,
you know, get to know, you know

790
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,040
what you do a little bit.
And people have been so

791
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,000
receptive to that.
Like I've really found that even

792
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
people that don't even want
necessarily want to give the

793
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,280
time, they'll respond.
You'll be like, hey, you know,

794
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,040
thanks so much for reaching out.
You know, I'm appreciate, you

795
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,080
know, I have a ton of my plate
right now, but you know, you can

796
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,520
talk to my colleague XY and Z
or, you know, if you're really

797
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,880
interested, here's a couple of
resources And you're it's, it's,

798
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,960
it's a place that gets so much
positive reinforcements.

799
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,880
I wonder why it's not more more
probably because it's it doesn't

800
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,600
give you the same dopamine hit
as seeing all the controversy as

801
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,840
like, you know, Instagram or
face or Twitter or something.

802
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,160
But they are saying that the
young like, you know, high

803
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,640
schoolers are kind of going on
it more and start like it's it

804
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,800
is drawing a younger crowd.
That's kind of I guess.

805
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

806
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,480
In my in my class, they're
talking about it.

807
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,560
You know, the the kids are
starting to put up, you know,

808
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,440
look for internships.
They're trying to network

809
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,680
already.
So.

810
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,880
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a cool

811
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,280
tool.
It's a really cool tool.

812
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,040
What was living in Mexico like
this year?

813
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:18,720
So it was, it was a struggle.
I think there was, it wasn't

814
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,880
like one of those places where
you're like, you know, a dream

815
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,120
destination, like, you know,
like maybe like for me, like I'm

816
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,560
like, OK, Europe sounds pretty
cool, like it sounds, but but

817
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,240
Mexico was, was very rough.
You know, there was a lot of

818
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,920
things that, that we were going
through as far as like, you

819
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640
know, like my son, he was going
there for soccer.

820
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,480
So he ends, he had a positive
experience, you know, because he

821
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,880
obviously we're, we're thankful
he got a really good club.

822
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,040
The club really supported him.
But, and, and at school too,

823
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,080
they accepted him because he's
like the American kid.

824
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,840
He, he doesn't know any Spanish,
but he's learning Spanish and

825
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,520
he's very open to, you know, the
Mexican culture.

826
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,560
You know, he's, he's, he's in
love with it, you know, but he

827
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,960
did deal with it.
They're ready.

828
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,280
They like to party.
So, yeah, because as I'm driving

829
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,080
around, they have ice cream
shops, a lot of ice cream shops,

830
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,680
a lot of like rental places for
like dresses and tuxes for for

831
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,480
like the quinceanera, which is
like they're, you know, they're

832
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,520
coming of age, you know, party
that they have, you know,

833
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,800
celebration for the young kids.
So you have a lot of those

834
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,800
businesses, you know, they're
it's and then again, everybody

835
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,320
is like having ice cream.
Like we're driving around at 10

836
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,280
at night and there's like a line
of everybody, you know, waiting

837
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,280
to get their ice cream till they
do.

838
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,280
They do like to enjoy life.
And I did read that it's like 1

839
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,440
of like the top ten places like
in the world that kind of

840
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,480
they're the happiest.
They consider themselves like

841
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,040
happy, you know, so you don't
really have to have much.

842
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,960
You know, it's a very rough like
it's not like it's not that

843
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,520
pretty.
Like there's a lot of like

844
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,640
litter on the street is very
where I'm at.

845
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,080
I was at Monterey.
That's and it was.

846
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Monterey in the West.
The West part.

847
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,800
It's right.
It's close to like Texas.

848
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,240
It's close to which Texas
border?

849
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,480
Yeah.
Gotcha.

850
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,840
So kind of central.
Yeah, so.

851
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Yeah, so it wasn't so pretty.
But is it?

852
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,920
But is it good culture?
It was.

853
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,760
They're very friendly and, and
it would and they like to, you

854
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,000
know, they like to really have
fun with what they have.

855
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,720
And they, you know, on Sundays,
you can see that the families

856
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,000
getting together, you know, they
take out their, their table and

857
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,240
the patio and they, you know,
pull out the TV and they, they

858
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,760
take it outside.
They watch the, the games and,

859
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,640
and grill and you know, they're,
they're kind of every like

860
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,640
Sunday.
They're getting together as a

861
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,320
family and friends doing that,
so yeah.

862
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,240
Yeah, the last I've noticed.
I mean, every single time I've

863
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,280
traveled out of the States
almost, it's one thing I've

864
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,320
noticed almost inevitably no
matter where I'm going.

865
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,440
And I've been to not a ton of
places, but you know, let's say

866
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,160
six or seven countries outside
of the States.

867
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,440
The culture is always about or
always much more, it's much more

868
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,920
social and much more about
interaction and community and

869
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,280
human, human interaction.
Then I then I almost, I've seen

870
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,160
almost anywhere in America, you
know, like it.

871
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,480
It's weird in the supermarket
for people to not, you know,

872
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,920
just ask a stranger a question
about, you know, something that

873
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,360
you're looking at or how does
this look?

874
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,720
Or, you know, have you had this
before?

875
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,360
And like, I think an American
people are afraid to talk to

876
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,960
each other.
You have your headphones in and

877
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,480
you go to the supermarket and
like, it's considered rude to

878
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,000
like bother someone and ask them
a question.

879
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,680
How do you know, what are you
doing, You know, stop someone in

880
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,280
the street and say if you know a
good place to get coffee or what

881
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,080
could I do here?
And like in Europe, it's or, you

882
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,880
know, in the other countries
I've been to, it's it's the

883
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,160
total opposite.
You know, like you talk to the

884
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,040
bus driver and you talk to, you
know, you talk to your cab

885
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:13,200
driver and like you the, the
emphasis is a lot more on, on

886
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,720
interaction.
And I don't know why.

887
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,440
I don't know what it is about
here that we don't do that as

888
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,800
much.
It's, it's, it's strange to me,

889
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,680
you know?
Yeah, I, you know, I can say

890
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,680
like, because I did spend time
like teaching in the classroom.

891
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,760
The kids are very, they're very
welcoming.

892
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,880
They're very friendly, even like
where we lived in the community.

893
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,840
Like, you know, the kids are
playing all the time, like at

894
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,080
night, they're in the little
playground like late at night.

895
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,440
And, and they wanted to, they
were very welcoming of my kids

896
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,360
who don't speak Spanish.
So.

897
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,320
And, you know, they weren't
afraid to kind of, they're

898
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,120
learning.
Yeah.

899
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,400
They're kind of, you know, yeah.
And and they would just even the

900
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,720
older ones would like talk to my
four and five year old one, you

901
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,040
know, and I'm like in a, in a
playground in the, in the United

902
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,040
States, like the older kids
would not be trying to talk to

903
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,400
the four and five year old.
They would be like, you know,

904
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,000
they would play.
They were three to themselves or

905
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,440
yeah.
So it is like, like, like

906
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,800
recently, like my daughter
started summer camp and I'm

907
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,560
like, how was your day?
And she was like, good and bad.

908
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,960
I'm like, what happened?
She's like, like that.

909
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,120
She asked one of the little kids
like, oh, do you want to be my

910
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,960
friend?
And the little girl was like,

911
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,840
I'll talk to you, but I won't be
your friend.

912
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,560
You know, I'm like, OK, I mean,
I get it.

913
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,920
But like, I'm thinking like, oh,
in Mexico you would have, you

914
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,160
know, like the kids are just.
I don't think that would happen.

915
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,840
I think, you know, they would
just like talk and be friends

916
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,320
and, you know, kind of be
interested.

917
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,280
But, you know, I think people
are like more, I guess.

918
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,280
I don't know, they're more
mature or the kids are kind of

919
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,400
making like, I don't know.
It isn't just just there's a

920
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,200
disconnect with like with like,
I don't know, I'm with my friend

921
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,640
and I'm like, do that, right?
Do I do that and be like, no,

922
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,040
you know what?
I'm going to talk to you, but

923
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,440
I'm not necessarily going to be
your friend.

924
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,200
That's like, wow, OK, well.
I.

925
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,400
When I went, so this trip to
Amsterdam, I went with a friend

926
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,040
of mine and, you know, and we're
trying to get in, you know, and,

927
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,120
you know, we get to the airport
and when you land, we're walking

928
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,440
out of the airport, we're going
to try to take a train to our,

929
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,200
our, our hotel for the night.
And, and it turns out the the

930
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,520
subway's down right, there was a
worker strike.

931
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920
And so there's a cab driver
driving around.

932
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,400
So cab drivers are walking on
the airport saying you need a

933
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,720
cab, you need a cab, you need a
cab.

934
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,800
So my friend's ignoring them all
that.

935
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,400
I mean, I'm telling them no
thanks, thank you.

936
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,560
You know, have a, you know, have
a good one.

937
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,880
You know, I'm good.
Thank you very much.

938
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,440
I'm responding to them and it's
a very like already like a very

939
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,080
almost New Yorker American
thing.

940
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,440
Like someone talks to you, but
like, you don't want their

941
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,520
services.
You just ignore them.

942
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,960
You don't.
You act like they're like, you

943
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,800
know, part of the wall, but.
Yeah.

944
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,280
You know, and So what so we
realized that that the Uber

945
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,160
wasn't coming to the airport
because it was packed and we

946
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,880
realized that the subway was not
running.

947
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:06,960
So I so my friends, so I was
like, dude, you know, now you

948
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,520
burned all our bridges.
All these people think you're a

949
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,560
jerk.
You've been ignoring them

950
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,080
because I went up to one of the
guys.

951
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,240
I was like, you know, what's the
cost to get to this place?

952
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:14,840
Give me a ridiculous price,
right?

953
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,560
And I said, and my friends like,
screw you, man.

954
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,960
He just walked away and I was
like, okay, man, what do you got

955
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:25,720
to be?
What can we do?

956
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:26,880
Well, you know, like, what can
we do?

957
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
I know the, I know that you're
looking for guys to take to the

958
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,200
airport.
And I was talking to the guy and

959
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,480
then he was like, you know,
what, if I can try to get a

960
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,960
couple more people in my, in my,
in my, in my car, then I could

961
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,720
charge all of you a little bit
less because I have more work

962
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:39,400
and I have more people that, you
know, that I'm taking.

963
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,560
And we ended up working together
to find like 7 different people

964
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,240
to get into the cab together.
And I feel like that wouldn't

965
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,080
happen.
You wouldn't get into a cab, you

966
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,320
know, with, you know, or most
people wouldn't get into a cab

967
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,880
in LaGuardia with, you know,
with a couple of other people

968
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,200
that are saying we're going to
Manhattan too, you know, like

969
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,160
there's something, there's
something about the culture.

970
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,720
It's a little bit more like you
treat a stranger like they're

971
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,240
another human being.
You don't treat them like

972
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,680
they're a potential enemy.
I think that in the States

973
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,000
there's a big culture of like, I
think that we're so a lot of

974
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,480
people are so at each other's
throats for so much and so many

975
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,680
different potential ideas that
like we kind of look at everyone

976
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,600
like they're either a threat or
they're your best friend in the

977
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:17,880
entire world.
And like, there's no middle

978
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,800
ground.
So I, I think that I think that

979
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,080
that could be a lot of what it
is.

980
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,840
And that's a lot of the
polarization that comes from

981
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,040
social media.
And that's a lot of the

982
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,120
polarization that comes from,
you know, just how vehement so

983
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,600
many of our new sources and
sources of information is.

984
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,240
You know, like, I don't think
Europeans pay as much attention

985
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,480
to the news as Americans do like
that, you know?

986
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,200
I think you're, you know, like
you raise a good point of like

987
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,200
how people like don't want to
talk to others, especially if

988
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,920
they're sensing they're like
gonna sell something.

989
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,760
Like I was in, in Lincoln Rd.,
the same like the other day and

990
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,480
there was like a group of kids
and, and like they're like

991
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,800
trying to fundraise.
But I'm, you know, I'm like, I

992
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,320
was like, they were interesting
to talk to you, even though

993
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,360
like, you know, I knew what they
were, what they were trying to

994
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,360
get to at the end of the
conversation.

995
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,480
But you know, they're, they're
being, it's their summer job.

996
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,320
You know, I'm like, and they're
coming from, yeah, they're, it's

997
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,960
their summer job and they're
coming from different countries.

998
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,200
So like 1 was Italian, one was
from Italy, one was from Cuba.

999
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:23,040
And and I'm like, what does it
cost for me to just talk to them

1000
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,720
and get to know them, even
though I know they're gonna want

1001
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,960
what their job is?
But but I think they did

1002
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,040
appreciate at the end, it's just
like somebody just talking to

1003
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,240
them and not just going out.
No, I can't.

1004
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,960
I don't have money.
I I was, I was driving.

1005
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,600
Do you are you familiar with
Hollywood at all?

1006
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,560
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So, so I was driving down route

1007
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,880
7 towards the Hard Rock, right?
I, I go to synagogue near there

1008
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,840
and, and on my way down I got, I
got stuck by the light.

1009
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,520
There's a big intersection with
three lanes right before you

1010
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,080
cross to the Hard Rock off 7.
And, and, you know, there's

1011
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,040
always people there that are
asking for money or asking for

1012
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,480
help.
And, and I, I stopped at the

1013
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,680
light.
My window was down because

1014
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,440
there's like a month ago and the
weather was really nice and I

1015
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,520
didn't want to roll up my
window.

1016
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,640
There's a woman there that was
asking for, you know, asking for

1017
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,160
some help.
And I didn't want to roll out my

1018
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,560
window and pretend I didn't see
her.

1019
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,240
And, you know, be like that, you
know, so I kind of just like

1020
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:20,840
looked at her and I smiled and
I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't

1021
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,120
have anything but like, have,
you know, like, good luck, have

1022
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,400
a great day.
That's all I said to her.

1023
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,160
And she was and she just kept
on, you know, she's like, thank

1024
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,280
you.
She walked about, you know, up

1025
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,520
and down to, you know, pass
other cars.

1026
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,920
And she came back to me and she
was like, I just want you to

1027
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,120
know that's all I really like,
want like it's just for like a

1028
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,440
positive.
Like she said that just like,

1029
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,040
just you saying like good luck,
have a great day.

1030
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,560
And I'm sorry.
Like I wish I could help out and

1031
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,920
have anything.
Just you telling me that made my

1032
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,880
day.
So I just mean so much.

1033
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,000
Thank you.
Like she told me that.

1034
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,240
And I was like, it's insane that
we don't do that on a regular

1035
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,640
basis because it costs nothing.
I felt great, She felt great.

1036
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,680
And everyone felt like closer
together, like, you know, like I

1037
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,800
thought it was really, I think
we need a lot more of that.

1038
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,960
You're right.
There was, I like I read

1039
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,480
something on that where like
there was an article about like

1040
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,600
this person who had gone through
homelessness.

1041
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,120
He came out of it, but he had
said like they don't, they just

1042
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,160
want conversation.
They want someone to like ask

1043
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,120
them what their name is and like
talk to them or just because

1044
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,800
they're by themselves, just even
have a conversation.

1045
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,800
You know, it means so much to
them.

1046
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,720
You don't know everybody's
story.

1047
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:29,600
You know, I have seen somebody
going like, you know, driving

1048
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,040
too.
And they were like selling food.

1049
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,760
But what I had thought of was,
like, in Mexico, there's so many

1050
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,680
of those like, you know, selling
foods, hustling.

1051
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,480
They hustle, too.
That's like a big thing.

1052
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,560
Like they're always selling
stuff on in the street.

1053
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Yeah.
And I'm like seeing this person,

1054
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,440
he's by himself and I'm like,
man, he has.

1055
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,920
He's pretty brave to do this
here because it's not so common

1056
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,000
like selling the foods here as I
would see in Mexico.

1057
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,840
But it just made me think like,
OK, in the different cultures,

1058
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,160
if he were in his country or
it'll be normal.

1059
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,120
And but he's like he's doing.
I wonder how he feels.

1060
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,440
I wonder how he feels like, you
know, being by himself here, you

1061
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,080
know, because, you know, trying
to do what you got to do for

1062
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,800
your family.
But yeah, it's, it's just like

1063
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,200
how different cultures are.
And you just kind of like, you

1064
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,240
wonder how people's lives are in
other parts of the world.

1065
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,240
Yeah, Yeah, you really do.
I think that a lot of this is

1066
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,520
social media.
I really do.

1067
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,880
I think that it's something that
I've noticed at least even with

1068
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,880
myself, you know, I mean, I, you
know, I'm so much less social

1069
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,360
when I have my or your phone is
a safety net.

1070
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,280
You know, your phone, it gives
you something to do with your

1071
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,440
hands.
It gives you something to look

1072
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,600
at if you're standing in line
next to someone and you run out

1073
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,880
of conversation to say it's a
safety net.

1074
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,480
And so, but like everything
else, like creativity and like

1075
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,920
writing and like, you know,
everything, it's a muscle being

1076
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,640
being social as a muscle.
Talking is a muscle is a muscle,

1077
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,440
you know.
And so if we're not actively

1078
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,480
working on it and we have almost
like an easy way out and we

1079
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,440
have, you know, these bumpers,
you know, like when you go

1080
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,960
bowling, you have this easy way
to kind of like save you out of

1081
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,040
a conversation or out of feeling
awkward for a minute, then you

1082
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,800
go ahead and do that.
But then you know, it comes at

1083
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,120
the expense of exercising that
of exercising that, that, that,

1084
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,880
that that skill set that you
need.

1085
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,800
So Mexico.
So, so Mexico overall, you happy

1086
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,640
you did it for your kid, you
happy you happy to be in South

1087
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,880
Florida?
I am, yeah.

1088
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,120
It's, it's kind of nice to kind
of like be in a place where you

1089
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,440
can relax a bit.
It was a little bit like high

1090
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,440
edge in Mexico.
Like, you know, I was always

1091
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,960
kind of like looking over at my
shoulders, like wondering if

1092
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,240
like the cops are going to stop
us because we had, we had

1093
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:46,640
American plates, you know, and
so like, it's just like a red

1094
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,880
flag.
Yeah, it was a red flag.

1095
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,240
I mean, all they would, they
would stop us all the time

1096
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,560
because our plates were like
American plates.

1097
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,720
And then they stop you and they
kind of like, you know, they,

1098
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,040
they want, they want to bribe
you.

1099
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,720
And, you know, it's very
corrupt.

1100
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:05,000
The cops are corrupt.
So like, I would get like, I

1101
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,800
would be scared driving all the
time.

1102
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,440
Like, you know, you would come
home from, you know, driving

1103
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,000
home from a game, a soccer game,
and then like the cops pull you

1104
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,600
over.
You're like, oh, goodness, I

1105
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,080
don't have to deal with this.
Like now I gotta do you have

1106
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,000
money to pay this cop off so you
can leave us alone.

1107
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,280
So it was a little bit.
Yeah, it is, it is a little bit

1108
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,920
like it's it's it's scary.
And that and that respect is,

1109
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,280
you know, maybe if I would have
had like next full of Mexican

1110
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,680
car, but the Mexican plates, you
know, we wouldn't be such a

1111
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:37,880
target.
You're.

1112
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,560
Saying being American just means
probably you have money and

1113
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,800
probably you're going to, you're
probably going to be able to, to

1114
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,120
buy them off.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

1115
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,520
So yeah.
So if I were to go back, you

1116
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,840
know, like we would definitely
fully like try not to be, you

1117
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,920
know, said stand out.
Yeah, American like have like

1118
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:04,640
fully have like a Mexican car so
that we wouldn't be pulled over

1119
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,720
or whatever.
But yeah, so like here's like

1120
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,080
now saying that you don't get
pulled over in the United States

1121
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,720
because you do.
They can pull you over for

1122
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,880
whatever they want.
But yeah, but it I think it's

1123
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,440
just like I it's scarier over
there because they can literally

1124
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,960
say we want your car, you know,
like get out, we're taking your

1125
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,360
car.
And you just like, laughed and

1126
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,280
like, OK, here's my car.
Crazy.

1127
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,720
It's really, really crazy.
It's really crazy.

1128
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,840
I want to talk a little bit
about parenting because you have

1129
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,080
4 kids, which is probably more
than I think most people at this

1130
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,480
point of the country have.
I feel like, I feel like people

1131
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,160
like.
Yeah.

1132
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,080
In today's world, the emphasis
is very, very much, you know,

1133
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,920
not on having family and family
is almost looked at as like a

1134
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,800
hindrance for, you know, for
yourself.

1135
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,200
And I do think I was actually
thinking you were telling me

1136
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,520
earlier about, you know, that
the the all your favorite author

1137
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,480
that said, like, oh, if you want
to be a great writer, don't have

1138
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,160
kids, which is, I think a sad
thing to kind of try to spread

1139
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,760
to other people.
But I think that, you know, one

1140
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,880
thing, one thing I, one thing I
was teaching, I last year, I

1141
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,120
taught my 10th graders about
just great creators and great

1142
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,520
innovators.
And we're like learn about the

1143
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,960
people and all of them are like
broken in some significant way,

1144
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,600
you know, like they're, they
have some serious, serious

1145
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,480
issues, whether it's Steve Jobs,
whether it's Elon, whether it,

1146
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,120
you know, every, any, any, any
crazy successful person.

1147
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,760
Is it crazy person as well?
You know, and that's part of the

1148
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,880
reason why they're able to do
it.

1149
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,080
And so I feel like in order to
like truly be great about

1150
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,560
something that comes at some
kind of enormous detrimental

1151
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,080
personal life sacrifice and loss
that you know, that like you

1152
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,800
almost give up your life for the
sake of this endeavor that

1153
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:59,200
you're that you're creating.
But I don't and and I actually,

1154
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:06,960
so, but I think that we, I
think, I think that, you know,

1155
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,880
and I think that's having a
family scary for a lot of

1156
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,280
people.
I think that the responsibility,

1157
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,400
you know, thinking about the
responsibility and thinking, you

1158
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,160
know, even hearing you talk
about like, oh, I'm trying to

1159
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,640
write and then my kids are
saying you're hungry, you know,

1160
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,600
like, you know, like you're
like, I don't want that.

1161
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,440
But I don't think they realize
that how much of A labor of love

1162
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,280
it is and like how how amazing
parenting is.

1163
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,520
So what, what's in your
experience?

1164
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,120
So how, how old, you know, I
guess the general range of the

1165
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,440
age of your kids and what's it
been like parenting boys versus

1166
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,680
girls and taking them around and
all these kind of, you know,

1167
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:37,840
what's parenting been like so
far?

1168
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:45,800
I have, so I have a 14 and a 15
year old and then I have basic a

1169
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,280
three-year old and a five year
old.

1170
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Nice.
So like amazing.

1171
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,240
Yeah, they're like 10 years
apart.

1172
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:59,800
And I think, you know, there,
there are times where I'm like,

1173
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:02,400
you know, you're writing, you're
like, Oh my goodness, you know,

1174
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,720
I don't want the distraction.
And you don't have the luxury to

1175
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,480
kind of just be all, you know,
there's writers that can, you

1176
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,120
know, they don't have kids and
they're very productive.

1177
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,560
But you know, there's writers
who who do do it and you kind of

1178
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,600
use it.
You know, you use your

1179
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,280
creativity.
You're inspired by like everyday

1180
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,480
life, you know, like being a
mom.

1181
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,640
You know, I would be able to
write characters that you don't

1182
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,680
have a lot of kids, you know,
because I can type into my

1183
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,560
experience.
Experience, you know, where

1184
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,200
people can relate to.
But but yeah, I think like

1185
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,320
you're right, there is nowadays
people aren't having, they're

1186
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,920
having kids later if, if they
are, you know, if at all.

1187
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,720
And and when they do start
later, they're not going to have

1188
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,840
like 4 kids.
They're probably have like one

1189
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,400
or two kids.
So they'll have small families.

1190
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:58,360
But for me, I think, I think
large families, you're all under

1191
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,800
one roof.
And it's and it's as a writer, I

1192
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,160
think it's very inspiring to see
how everybody in the family has

1193
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,040
their own talents, has their own
dreams.

1194
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,920
And you're all trying to like,
be under one roof and you're

1195
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,320
trying to help each other, you
know?

1196
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:13,760
Yeah.
Succeed.

1197
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,080
You know, like, I have my son
who's, you know, a skillful

1198
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,680
soccer player.
I have my daughter who's, you

1199
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,880
know, she's she's talented in
art and in singing and in, you

1200
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,080
know, the creative arts and, you
know, and that's why I put my

1201
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,760
daughter.
I came here to put my daughter

1202
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,960
in like theater camp to say
we've been, we've been doing,

1203
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,880
you know, a lot of stuff for,
for my older son.

1204
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,280
Let's try to like, do you?
Show her your favorite stuff

1205
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,000
like do you share?
Do you share what you love with

1206
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,920
her?
Yeah, for sure.

1207
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,400
Like, you know, like I would
we'll we'll listen to

1208
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,920
soundtracks of like Broadway,
you know, musicals and we'll

1209
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,440
watch shows like, you know, like
back then I, I would like go to

1210
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,480
like a mom and pop shop and like
have their to have the DVDs of

1211
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,240
like the shows on Broadway.
And we were like watch cats or

1212
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,000
we would watch like into the
woods and stuff like that.

1213
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,560
You know, so we're connect that
way.

1214
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,040
But yeah, you try to find, you
know, connect with all your

1215
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,280
children and their talents and
and do your best.

1216
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,800
I think being a mom is kind of
giving.

1217
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,160
And so like it is hard to kind
of be creative yourself.

1218
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,240
But I think creativity can be
tapped into if you if you can do

1219
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,080
things that refuel you.
Like, if you feel like, you

1220
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,840
know, you're exhausted, like you
said, you listen to music or I

1221
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,760
might need to, like, exercise
and like, you know, you know,

1222
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,440
kind of get my energy up that
way.

1223
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,920
Yeah.
I get myself moving like I need,

1224
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,200
OK.
I need to do, like, a work.

1225
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,280
I need to go work out, you know,
and then, and you have to be in

1226
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,480
a community for me of other
writers.

1227
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,760
You can't just be by yourself.
It's easy to, like, be a mom and

1228
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,720
just be, like, in my own world
with my kids and not get out.

1229
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,600
I consciously have to make an
effort to join like other

1230
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:05,240
writing communities to find them
online to like log into a Zoom

1231
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,240
meeting, a webinar, like, you
know, the library is doing a

1232
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,680
webinar on novel writing and
plot writing, You know, let me

1233
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,120
register, let me watch this.
And, and, and with COVID, it has

1234
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,800
helped where you don't have to,
you know, physically going and

1235
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,400
you can like join a webinar And
then like if you miss it, which

1236
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,240
I have sometimes I can like, you
know, go back and watch it when,

1237
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,320
when I have the time, I'll watch
the links to the webinars.

1238
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,960
But you do have to consciously
make an effort to join or other

1239
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,520
writing communities as a
writing.

1240
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,040
I mean, that's my advice,
managing a family and making the

1241
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,640
time for, for you know, your
passion.

1242
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:49,240
Yeah, I think it's also cool
that I think it's cool how much

1243
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,760
your perspective and way of
thinking changes as you have

1244
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,520
kids, you know?
And like, you know, I was

1245
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,560
talking to my friend about this
yesterday because you were

1246
01:03:58,560 --> 01:03:59,840
hanging out.
I hadn't seen him a couple of

1247
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:00,440
weeks.
We're very good.

1248
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,880
We're very close.
He lives just down the block

1249
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,760
from me.
And like, we'll do things like,

1250
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,080
and by the way, and I think more
people need to do things like

1251
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,240
this.
Like I'll text him.

1252
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,880
Like, dude, I'm going to Publix.
You want to come?

1253
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,240
You want to come along?
Do you need any groceries?

1254
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,320
You want to, you know, you want
to pick up?

1255
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,520
And like, we'll just go
together, the supermarket, just

1256
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,800
hang out for 20 minutes and then
go back home and go back to our

1257
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,400
families and like continue our
lives.

1258
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,040
But one thing, you know, we're
talking about, I said, I left my

1259
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,280
family for, you know, a week and
a half.

1260
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,040
And it was the longest I'd left
them before.

1261
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,680
And it was, I was so sad about
them.

1262
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,040
And one thing I was telling, it
was like, I don't even think in

1263
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,200
the same way.
Like I think in terms, I think

1264
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,040
as a we, I don't think as an I.
And you know, when you think as

1265
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,320
a we, you kind of have like a
expanded sense of consciousness

1266
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,880
that really is like, I think
that's what I would call it like

1267
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,960
almost adulthood.
I think that that's like, you

1268
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,840
know, when people say that
America has what's called

1269
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,120
delayed adolescence, that we're
like, we're kids for two or

1270
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,760
three.
You know, the average person

1271
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,440
doesn't think consider
themselves an adult till their

1272
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,320
30s now.
You know, like, you know, like,

1273
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,560
I think that that just means
that people are kind of stuck in

1274
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,920
an eye mentality as opposed to a
we mentality.

1275
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,760
And I think once you kind of
switch to a we and you think in

1276
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,440
terms of, you know, like I'm in
Costco, you know, and I pass by

1277
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,840
my kids favorite snack, I'm not
going to not get it.

1278
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,120
Like, you know, I mean like that
I'm not going to get my own

1279
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,640
thing, you know, at the expense
of my kids things.

1280
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,120
I think as a we, I think this
makes me happy and that makes me

1281
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:24,640
happy, you know, so I think that
the, you know, the, I don't

1282
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,640
think there's enough emphasis on
like the beauty of the new

1283
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,280
perspective that people get.
You literally evolve.

1284
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,520
I think you evolve as a as a
human being.

1285
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,960
You do it is a self sacrificing
and it is, it's greater than

1286
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,200
you.
It's created, like you said,

1287
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,720
it's not just me or awareness of
makes you compassionate to the

1288
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,360
needs of other people, a better
person overall.

1289
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:53,520
You know, it's it's and it's
very like scary.

1290
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,280
So you're always worrying about
your kids, even like when they

1291
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,800
become, you know, when they're
older, you're like, you know,

1292
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:05,600
like it's a job that never ends,
but you know, it's, it's, it

1293
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,720
helps you grow spiritually.
And I mean all the way around

1294
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,360
some.
Do your are your kids mama's

1295
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,880
boys or or dad or daddy's or
daddy's boys or girls?

1296
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,720
What about do you have like a
different dynamics in terms of

1297
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,920
your kids and your relationship
with your with your husband?

1298
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:28,200
I would say like my oldest, my,
my oldest son, he's definitely

1299
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,320
going to be like a daddy's boy
because my, my husband has been,

1300
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,000
I mean, talk about sacrifice.
My husband does, has done

1301
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,600
everything to help to put my son
in the best place for his soccer

1302
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,760
career.
Like he lives with him in the

1303
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,680
Netherlands.
Just both of them, you know,

1304
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,200
crazy.
By the way, it's such a big

1305
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,880
yeah, such a.
Big I don't think people I, I,

1306
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,920
I, I think, I don't think that
you you say casually it's, it's

1307
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,600
such a huge deal.
It is you know, it would be both

1308
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,400
of them and and you know, they
face some harsh winters and he

1309
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,360
would take and you know he would
take the, the the train and

1310
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,240
their train transportation
system is great.

1311
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,720
But you know, they would it was
cold outside.

1312
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,680
You still don't want to.
He would like take them to

1313
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:16,800
training across town and just do
so much.

1314
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,240
He's done so much even now, like
Mexico being here, being even

1315
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,080
though we're all together.
I think Mexico was harder for

1316
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:28,480
him because the language barrier
in in Amsterdam or in the

1317
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,880
Netherlands at least they speak,
you know, they speak English a

1318
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,120
lot, yeah.
Everyone speaks.

1319
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,000
English then?
Yeah, exactly.

1320
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,240
But in Mexico, you know, like my
husband will like call me on

1321
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,280
speakerphone.
He's like, you know, he's just

1322
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,360
in, he's in, what is it, Dairy
Queen?

1323
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:45,720
And he wants to order a
Blizzard.

1324
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,480
And there's a communication
problem.

1325
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,320
And I'm like trying to
communicate to the lady, you

1326
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,760
know, what my husband wants and
like, it's so bad.

1327
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,120
I'm like, he just like she's
just have to go get a ice cream

1328
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,960
and he can't because something,
you know, like there's a

1329
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:05,080
translation problem or whatever.
But but it has been harder.

1330
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,520
Sacrifices.
Yeah, it.

1331
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,040
It has, Yeah.
But yeah, it's not, it's not

1332
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,240
especially if you're really
going to, you know, put your

1333
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,960
kids as far as, you know,
putting them supporting their

1334
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,800
dreams.
You know, it's easy when it's a

1335
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,120
comfortable dream.
But it like soccer has to be,

1336
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,479
you know, it can't, it's not
really done here in the United

1337
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,240
States.
It's has to be global because

1338
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,560
the soccer scene is better
inside of the United States.

1339
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,600
So.
And there's a lot of families

1340
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,040
doing this, like my husband,
he's not the only one.

1341
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,560
Like, you know, he has a friend
that you know, their family is

1342
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,640
like, you know, in Brazil trying
to like, and then another one is

1343
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,960
like trying to move to Spain.
A lot of like American families

1344
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,120
that who have kids who are like
trying to do soccer are are

1345
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,240
sacrificing.
It's like this underground world

1346
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,960
like that he knows about.
But there's a lot of them that

1347
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,680
they're like trying to find a
way and a path to have their

1348
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,920
kids, you know, being in
professional clubs abroad.

1349
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,200
And it's it's not an easy route
because they're really, you

1350
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,800
can't really make a soccer
career here in the United

1351
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,520
States.
You have to kind of get out.

1352
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,600
And it's a lot of sacrifice.
Yeah, it's really incredible

1353
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,760
that he did that.
I I hope your son, I hope your

1354
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,800
son, you know, I mean, I'm sure
he will.

1355
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,640
I hope your son one day
appreciates it.

1356
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,160
You know, like the I was, I was
super emotional the day before I

1357
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,439
got married.
I was, I was almost 26 and I've

1358
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:41,000
been, you know, and I and, and I
guess in the Jewish world or in

1359
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,880
the Orthodox Jewish world, it's
very common to get married in

1360
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,200
your early 20s and like 2627 is
already considered quote UN

1361
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,960
quote later for a lot of people.
And, you know, and so, you know,

1362
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,600
I was, but, you know, and it's
this big, you know, huge moment

1363
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,920
that I'm terrified of.
And you know, I've no, you know,

1364
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:01,320
I mean, I, I have friends
already by the age of 26 that,

1365
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:03,360
you know, had already been
married and gone divorced at

1366
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,200
that point.
You know, like I, I know how

1367
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,680
challenging, you know, marriage
was, is going to be.

1368
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,240
And I was, I was terrified
leading up to it, but I was also

1369
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,040
so excited about it.
And one thing I just kept on

1370
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:18,200
thinking about leading up to it
was just like I was thinking

1371
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,200
about everything, my dad, you
know, everything I put both my

1372
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,440
parents did.
But you know, my dad, my, you

1373
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:27,200
know, my mom was, was home and
raising us and incredible.

1374
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,320
Like the, the, the, I'm one of
six.

1375
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,040
And like the amount of work that
it takes to, to do that is

1376
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,480
almost indescribable.
But you know, for him, like he

1377
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:40,080
never, he only wanted all of us
to just do whatever made us

1378
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,000
happy, you know, and that's all
like, and, and whatever that

1379
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,920
was, like he would just work as
hard as he could to make, to

1380
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,320
make that happen.
And I didn't appreciate it until

1381
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,120
I was about to go off my own and
be my own person that I was

1382
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,280
like, I don't even know, you
know, like I'm afraid to do this

1383
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,160
for one person.
I can't imagine that he did this

1384
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,080
for seven people for the last 30
years, you know, like I, I can't

1385
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,720
even imagine that.
And I was just swept up with

1386
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,680
such a sense of gratitude and
appreciation that, you know, I

1387
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,920
hope that I hope that, you know,
your kids are going to have, you

1388
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,320
know, when they, you're at least
your son's going to have when,

1389
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,480
when, you know, if I hope, I
hope he gets a real, you know,

1390
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:18,480
amazing career that he'll know
that everything that you guys

1391
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,680
put on the line for him to be
able to do that, you know, and

1392
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,200
it's really one of the most
beautiful things that a that a

1393
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,680
parent could do.
Yeah, like I gave him like the

1394
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,440
Father's Day card and I'm like,
here, write a little note to

1395
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:32,760
your dad.
And it was short, but it was

1396
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,000
like short and sweet.
You know, he was like, thank you

1397
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,480
for, you know, being there every
step of my soccer career.

1398
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,240
And it's true.
Like my my husband has been by

1399
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,440
his side.
He, he, you know, goes to all

1400
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:49,280
his games, goes to his
tournaments and, and is there

1401
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,520
for him across, you know, across
the world.

1402
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,040
You know, wherever he goes, he's
he's there.

1403
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:56,960
Yeah, yeah.
What was it?

1404
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,040
What was it like going have, I
mean, the five year gap between

1405
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,600
your kids, I guess between the,
you know, was it hard getting

1406
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,800
back to to having a newborn
again?

1407
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:08,720
Yeah.
Having a 5 year old.

1408
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,440
Yeah, because you have to like
start over and then like you

1409
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:17,280
forget and then a lot of there's
so many new products.

1410
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,680
Yeah.
And then there's a like, like,

1411
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,560
wait, what happened with this?
OK, this is new.

1412
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,320
This is like, you know, 'cause
the market for baby stuff is

1413
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,320
like always changing too.
So there's like a lot of new

1414
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,680
products that I didn't know
about that I'm like, oh, cool,

1415
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:34,480
this is new.
This is new, but you know what?

1416
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:37,880
And what I really noticed at it,
like every time I was pregnant,

1417
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,880
I became more creative.
Like, Oh yeah, yeah.

1418
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,800
It definitely like, inspired me.
Like, I would get a kick of

1419
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,360
like, writing and stories in my
head.

1420
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,600
Like, I think it's just you're
tapping into like creativity and

1421
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,400
as a woman, like, so when I
would get pregnant, it was just

1422
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,760
like, I would definitely felt
like very creative.

1423
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,880
It's so cool.
I do remember that apparently in

1424
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,000
a.
Creative state, right?

1425
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,800
Yeah, literally, yeah.
Yeah.

1426
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,880
So, I mean, that's one thing.
I I definitely enjoyed my

1427
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,240
pregnancies.
It wasn't something that I like,

1428
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,600
didn't like.
So thank God, by the way, I know

1429
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,680
some people.
That, that, that, that don't

1430
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,800
psoriasis and back pain and you
know, and, and, and, and and

1431
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,800
mood swings and, and all that.
But even just like the, you

1432
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,760
know, like we have, you know, we
have, I have a 2 year old and I

1433
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,360
have a six.
I have a six week old.

1434
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,920
And, you know, my wife and I
yeah, yeah, it's really, it's

1435
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,560
really awesome.
And my, and it's funny because

1436
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,000
even just the difference between
two and two years old and six

1437
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,880
weeks, you know, my wife, like
we went, we went, we went to my,

1438
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,680
we went to visit my family in
New York.

1439
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,240
And my wife is like, I
completely forgot how to pack

1440
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,120
for a baby.
And like the last year, like I

1441
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,240
totally forgot about what, you
know, how many diapers it takes

1442
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,160
and like, you know, what her
schedule is and you have to

1443
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,320
bring the, the stuff for bottles
on the airplane and all, and all

1444
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,120
this stuff.
And like we forgot about that.

1445
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,360
Like it was a phase of our
lives.

1446
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,360
And then like you forget about
after six months.

1447
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,480
And I think it's part of the
human psychology too, that like

1448
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:11,120
we, we forget all the, you know,
the challenges that happened and

1449
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,280
you remember the good stuff,
that you remember how delicious

1450
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,200
they were.
And like.

1451
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,760
You know, a cooing little baby
just making eye contact and

1452
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,200
smiling, you know?
Yeah, I think that one I

1453
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,160
remember like one comment
somebody told me I think when I

1454
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:28,480
was like had had the kids and he
was like he said something like

1455
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:35,160
I think it was like the days are
the days are long and the years

1456
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,280
are short, you know, in
parenting.

1457
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,680
Yes, yes, you find that.
True.

1458
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,400
Yeah.
So in the moment it's like what

1459
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,440
times wise, you know?
Yeah, time does fly.

1460
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,040
Time does fly.
I can't believe that that that's

1461
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,880
been two.
It's been 2 years since since my

1462
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,520
son was born and it feels like
it's been 5 minutes, you know?

1463
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,800
And I look at him and I'm like,
you weren't able to like pick

1464
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,880
your head up and now you're
running around, you know, like

1465
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:04,200
he this past weekend I was with
my I was with my sister and she

1466
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,040
has a daughter the same age.
And he was taking a nap and she

1467
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,560
was up and she and and he woke
up and she and he and she hurt

1468
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,080
him in his bed.
She's like Shua.

1469
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:16,440
And he was like, what?
And he was like, come, come

1470
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:18,160
play.
He's like, OK.

1471
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,120
And he just hopped out of his
pack and play, which he never

1472
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,480
did before, you know, And he
just like crawled out of it and

1473
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:23,720
then opened the door and walked
out.

1474
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,800
And I was like, dude, what?
I never saw you do any of that

1475
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:32,600
before, you know, but those are,
and again, as moment as as

1476
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,600
moments for a human being that's
incredibly fulfilling, That's

1477
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,880
incredibly beautiful.
Like these are things that like,

1478
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,560
they just like kind of overwhelm
you with a sense of like love

1479
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:48,320
and like, whoa, I'm this is I
even know that I'd be proud of

1480
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,720
something for doing someone for
doing something so silly and so

1481
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,960
trivial, but like it's so
special.

1482
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,200
Mm hmm.
Yeah.

1483
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,240
But anyway, Jen, I want to thank
you so much for your time.

1484
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:01,440
Thank you so much for doing
this.

1485
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:05,080
This is so much fun.
I wish you tons of luck with

1486
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,360
publishing.
Maybe we'll do this again as

1487
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,840
you, as you, as you, as your new
career takes off and as you get

1488
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,400
into the world of publishing,
because I do.

1489
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,560
I am interested and fascinated
in that world.

1490
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,720
And, you know, I'd love to hear
as you get into it, what's going

1491
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,600
on with it.
But until then, I wish you tons

1492
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,000
of luck.
This is so much fun talking to

1493
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,440
you and, and hearing about your
experiences and hearing about

1494
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:28,840
your, you know, the whole
process, writing and teaching

1495
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,560
and, and your whole journey.
And I think this is, I think

1496
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,640
this is awesome.
And I think that I hope this

1497
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,120
will, you know, really be
inspirational to a lot of

1498
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,920
people.
I think they got really awesome

1499
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,520
values and have a really great
story.

1500
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,120
So I really thank you.
Thank you so much for your time.

1501
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,840
Thanks.
Awesome.

1502
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:47,920
OK, Thanks so much for doing
this.

1503
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,880
We'll be in touch.
OK, Have a great rest of the

1504
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:51,520
day.
Thank you too.

1505
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,040
Bye.
Bye.