#116: Joshua “Pacey” Neuman, Andrew “Kivi” Hershenov

0:01 Welcome to another episode of Come Together. We're live. Cheers. Hey, Cheers, dude. Cheers. Dude. This is Cheetos. It's it's the one. It's the one problem with South Florida. There's nothing, nothing you can do about it, dude. No. You could spray, you could light like those candles. People talk about the weather. I was like a boring topic, but it's crazy how it's it's everyone's lives in Florida. In Florida. It's the one thing that matters because it's it's brutal. Do you shoot that Lefrog shot? He's like, not usually, but I'll.

0:41 Yeah, that's what. Yeah, that's what I did. OK. No, I usually just drink the more slowly. You know, I do. But I do it. Yeah, I do. Do you want to? No. See, I was. That wasn't me testing. You shouldn't put ice in it. Yes, you should. You wanted those that say you should have put ice in it. You know why the weather is really. If you really want, you can put a drop of water to open. Yeah. Yeah. Flavor. Did you also do a whiskey tasting somewhere? Yeah, we should do it. I think you. I think you guys, you grabbed a picture of it somehow. Kitty found a picture of it of your whiskey on that chat somehow. No, I didn't see it. Where did you do it? Yeah, I went to there. There was a group of people doing it. So we did it at it was a like a store that I'd never been to one of these like little stores and they just someone started it and hosted it and it was like good, what do you look? I was going to get ice, but I was going to do ice in that Well, that So the reason I like to put ice in it is because it is a shock by Sarah.

1:36 It's too, it's too strong. No, but and it's pity and strong so and a little bit of ice, like I know it dilutes the drink. That's what I say. That's what I always say. It doesn't dilute it enough and it's beautiful. What is it? 2 nights ago, I think Monday night actually, I poured myself a glass of whiskey. Of course, I put like a pea size last night. You too, dude. Yeah, but yeah, like a little bit of ice. Although I will. I'll take the ice out at a certain point. I won't let it sit in there. Oh, really? Yeah. If I have, like, very particular dude. Oh, because there's nothing worse. Because I get your point. You want to be cold, you and you want to be like a little softer.

2:19 But with Leroy, there's nothing worse. Dude. I was drinking McAllen. Oh, yeah. No, but there's nothing worse than water down. We were back. We took a break because you were you were telling me that you were you were where you were on Epstein's list or something? Yeah, dude, first of all, I am you. Are second of all, does any? Does anyone know what's going on? Does anyone actually know what's going on? Dude, we started with the Epstein list. We got Obama like is going to get fake, get arrested. That was so did you see that the White House like an hour ago posted that they're like really revealed that aliens exist and like, oh, I didn't see that.

2:59 Yeah, dude. But they're going to say because they actually, they're like, we're just saying Obama. We're like, they're like the DOG. I don't know, I have the thing. Yeah, dude, they're going to invest Obama. Yeah, they're going to go. They're going to get it. Yeah. How could I invest Obama and cop this down on the. I mean they're. Pretty sure the White House knew aliens existed. No 100%. Right. 80 years. Ago I know. But they're going to be releasing that. It's so. Good, now that they can't hide it anymore. You think that's true? Yeah, like people are gonna. Well, men in black, they, that's the whole men in black. Thing it's smart, like no one could catch the killer 100 years ago, but now you catch them the next. Day yeah, that's true. Same type of thing, yeah dude, do you think the mafia still exists? Like it doesn't. In what capacity though? Like.

3:40 What do you mean? Like you have like they counted so much on everything pretty much being off the books. I know. Isn't it a business model? And for everything else, like, yeah, OK, maybe they could do the cash advance shit, you know, whenever. Be through a business. Yeah, but it's not as fun as like when you like put up like it's through fun as someone in with a face like that, like like owning one of those shops and getting protection or whatever when they go into the dining. Yeah, it's not like that. Now you don't think? I bet it is dude. Do you see that, Pirates? This guy, this guy's eating his line, bro. You're supposed to. You're not. You're supposed to be just like a little like get rid of the tape. No, it's a cocktail.

4:21 When you have an oniejo tequila, that's such an animal. He just he just like swallows the whole thing. He's like a cow, dude. Oh, I said animal. It could have been anything. I know. I'm saying, wow. I was thinking chewing cud. I was thinking Kiwi. That made me think about it. I could have gone with tiger, that dude. So what happened? What is happening? What do you think? Epstein, you're saying? With Epstein dude, what's going on? What's with the Jews on lists? Yeah, hey, oh, man, it's not going to be funny in 10 years, man. In the Holocaust, dude. Do you guys have a? Basement to hide in. I have a.

5:01 Basement, by the way, I have a couple of buddies from Binghamton. I'm going to try this beer. I'm saying this beer, by the way, Shane Gill's got everyone into public. Yeah. He wants to get off the Holocaust. No, no, no. I was. I was honestly, I was just like taking this stuff. There's something crazy about a beer that tastes this bad. It's not good. But so good because it's so patriotic. It's good when it's so cold. Ice. Cold. I know it's true. Ice cold. Anything other than ice cold, it's. So bad. There's nothing worse than War I and that. You see, Shark Tank has spent the last 15 years. Everyone brings up everyone's trying to find out how to keep your beer cold.

5:41 On the go for sure. Yeah, it's the number one thing. And then it's just degrees of eco friendliness. Yeah, Yeah. So. The. It's like, what, dude? I know I got. I've gotten that. Yeah, but you don't use them ever, dude. So so I I. Do I literally forgot to bring it today? It's America. It's got an American flag. I. I believe you, dude, but yeah, you forgot it because it's such a it's hard to remember. It's one of my yeah, conscious mind that any given state to to remember that. Yeah, exactly. They're never really that productive. All right, so. I should make a koozie that crumples up into a ball and you could put it in like a pouch. Shove it up.

6:23 Oh. It hangs on your keys. OK. And then when you open the pouch it it. Pops out. Pops out into acoustic. That's not a bad idea, that definitely exists already. For sure. For sure someone made that. I've thought of. I don't. Think you could patent? Something like that though. Can you no lawyer? I've I someone who's taking like 2 CL ES on patents. No, you could. You could probably patent it. You could patent my favorite content. Everyone says patent pending. Yeah, that means nothing, right? It just means that they're like, put the means that they yeah, they filed it. People get rejected for patents. There we go. Yeah, collapsible koozie. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, I hate to search. Was collapsible koozie. I, I, I search koozie, fold it up, see I'm not a bad Jamie. No, I will.

7:08 I will say that what's frustrating is that when you see a product on Shark Tank, this is pissing me off. You'll see people are like spent 10 years doing this. I'm $300,000 in debt in two years we're finally going to be profitable. It's like an alcohol business. It's like a it's a good thing. And then someone else will come home and be like, I created like a widget to like hold your pen up and I spent $30 out the gate and we're, you know, $2,000,000 business debt. It's like 1 path is so difficult and the other is just like a great idea. Yeah, sure. So I keep trying to think of like, what's the great idea that doesn't put me in debt because for 10 years? Yeah, because.

7:49 Your only person who think was thinking about that. You know, do you are there a lot of I'm trying to think of how to make. Money. What? Granted that I don't have to work for the rest of my life? Yeah. That upper middle class people will buy. Yeah. People with money, people with expendable. Yeah, exactly. Expendable. Yeah, disposable. First of all. Vendible income. Forget about that. Yeah. Jamie and Jamie looking. On that widget. Whatever makes that widget obviously has a friend who's a multi multi millionaire is helping him out, no? No, no. But that's what's annoying sometimes. Sometimes like I spend 30 bucks, I spend 30 bucks. And he's talking about the the he has my daddy and he wants to get.

8:33 An you, you go to you. There's a lot of people that you can go to. If you have a concept, if you have an idea, you have the factory laid out to make this, you have exact market cost it's and you have the whole business. Plan laid out and you're. Like hey, can I get? Can I get but? Kickstarter. Kickstarter, yeah, but, but also, but also there's just a lot of people with money that you can do that people go go to open a credit card and do that. That's what I'm saying. Either they have a best friend or they themselves have money. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. This is the thing, the best friend, that conspiracy Evans. Joe, who's 300 grand in debt, he he has to have a friend or do connections or else he's not building. That, yeah, of course haven't because everyone has ideas known as money. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's they always changing.

9:13 Everyone comes to us like we have this idea and we're like, OK, it's maybe worth 1% of everything, your idea because you're not going to do anything to fulfill. No, it's not 1% of everything dude. It's probably it's close to 50. You hear what I'm saying though, Like it's until you actually put it into fruition, it means it's, it's price. It's it's, it's worth nothing. Yeah, it's. Worth nothing? Your idea is worth nothing. What do you think? Your idea is literally valueless. No, it's not, dude. I don't believe that dude. Until you put it out in front of you. Yeah, I think I actually I'm, I'm a big. You close, Harry. It's value because you're using knowledge in your. I love hobbies.

9:53 I love hobbies. I have a ton of them but and I do appreciate them. I think most people could appreciate a hobby, but a lot of people something just isn't worth anything until money Until like it either makes money or it's the gift of validate. I can't. When you said that I was literally thinking about this today that I really want I I want hobbies. I really want one. Like I want a hobby, but then I'm like I want a hobby that makes money. Yeah. I don't think that way now. You I can't see myself doing a hobby that just. Doesn't what does that mean? You can you, you don't like you like building things. You could do like like build things around your house or fix things up around your house and like that's a hobby. Like that's considered a hobby.

10:34 Money on other guys. I mean, I guess so. And you can walk away feeling proud of yourself. But. They're. Handyman. Yeah, I just need to elaborate. No, but that is a hobby. I don't know. It's like, listen as a drone, we're all like trying to be what? I don't know that I have time for as many hobbies, but like, growing up, dude, you got hobbies man, and you have time for sure. So bullshit. We have tons of hobbies. I had up. Maybe I do have hobbies, I just don't know it probably. For sure dude, hang out with your friends is a hobby. Do you have, you know, a few people actually hang out with their friends more than once a week? By the. Way it's so scary the world. We hang out every like couple of days. People don't.

11:15 People go weeks without seeing. Other human beings, dude. Because she's home the whole time. We're literally on our way to my kids color war thing today and my phone is just Ding Ding yeah. Yeah, yeah. Going. On she's like, how many friends? You have to say 4 delinquent friends. They're all just texting. You know, it's great. He plays. He plays Pacey's song about Kiki's mom. I didn't. Hear it yet? You didn't hear it. It's amazing. It's amazing. Wait, is it So for context, we have a group chat and we're running, Oh, is this you're running Jokes, the song itself about Kiwi's mom? It's always, it's always about anyone's mom but Kiwi's mom in particular.

11:56 And so Casey puts it in AI. Does it say my name in the song? Yeah, it does, dude. Dude, the lyrics. Do you listen to the one about Queen? His. Mom's house with Shadow. Listen. She. Says she's. Fine, she's lonely. Dude, it sounds phenomenal. The lyrics are great.

12:40 Dude, I can't write like that. Oh my. God, OK, that's enough dude. Oh man. What do you what do you use to make those songs? It's not. So I I put more time into it, but now I just send like how do you pay for AI, right? Two different but this one, though not this. 1/2. Different one I have AI know somebody spends like 99 a month. The others 80. 9. 95. No, I know, I know someone who does, who does He has he's up to like $250 without without VO3, not VO3, which is like 500 a month or two video.

13:31 He's been 250 a month for like different things because he's just tricky for what's he paying for? Well, what do they give you when you pay? Versus like he thinks like a video integrating one, one that automatically will put the video together and post it at the same time. Then he goes on chatting with you. Like find out. So how can you? Automate social media I would love. By the way, I would. Pay that amount per month to automate my social media too I feel like. So something right, because the, I hope that no, it's true. I, I enjoy doing it. Like, I enjoy putting the video together and I hate it, dude. It's $0.00. So I hate it. Dude. I, I can't do it. Like really. I, I not only do I consider myself useless in that capacity, yeah, but I, I don't like, I actively like, I won't be able to bring myself to even allocate the time to do it. Yeah, I mean, AI is definitely, it's a form of creativity, by the way.

14:25 It's not your form of creativity, is it equalizes everything like Opportunity Index was always, by the way, it's a very conservative, very like fiscally amazing like concept. Yeah. Like it's democratized information. Oh my gosh, it's and then synthesize it and spits it out. And then now we all have synthesized, synthesized information. Who's going to like do the next step, which is to put it all together. And obviously Jews have always been good at that. By the way, Jews, it's not Jews. You ever watched always Sun in Philadelphia? That one of the earlier episodes was great. Of course, it was about like, because this the landlord next door was the landlord next door was Jewish. And they were like the that Jewish guy, like, whoa, the Jew. So what can you can?

15:11 You can't say the Jewish guy, but you can't say that Jew with like a hard hard J. Oh, that's yeah, you can't. Say a soft J is fine. You can't. You can say he's Jewish. You can't say he's. The Jew, yeah, you could say like, like, yeah, you can't go like the Jew, but you can be like, you know, the Jewish guy next door. Damn. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, the truth is I don't give a shit about any of that stuff anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was at a brewery one time and someone made a comment about I forgot what it was. It's going to be with money and me being Jewish because we're going to keep it there. And I was, like, had a good one then, like, I was like, literally like, yeah, yeah, nice. And then he's OK.

15:51 And then, like, he got up and left after a couple minutes and. Oh, no. And then the bartender at the brewery is like, hey, man, like, that's not cool, man. Oh, he's like, hey, man, she said that to him. And she was like, hey, man, that's not cool. And I was like, no, it's fine. Like, that doesn't bother me. But like, I never heard anyone, like, stand up to like, yeah, a Jewish joke before. Dude, I kind of feels dumb. I don't think I was an idiot. Yeah, no, I'm an idiot. I'm sure there's people that, yeah, I feel good about that. Yeah, people would feel, I feel. Good that she wants to defend me. What's your name? Hi, I'm Sarah Rubenstein. Also also in America, I feel like because things are good in America, I don't I don't think most people will feel much at least in Florida.

16:43 I don't know you don't feel much anti-Semitism on the day, not even if it was weird. If someone like stands up to you, like I lost like one, one time twice, if two or three times, but like 2, two of them are like just bad really like weird jokes, like one person. The sauna was just like making weird jokes and and she didn't get what she was doing in the sauna. Yeah, she was like in the because it's a it's a go at sauna at University of Miami. But she was just like making jokes. It wasn't, it wasn't like a it wasn't like it was just like a Holocaust joke that it was like, it was, Yeah, it was what? It was someone else. It was an oven joke because you guys were the sauna. Yeah, it had to be. No. And I like. I chuckled, and like I don't have been used in the oven.

17:25 Since the since. He felt weird about it after and I was like, it's it's fine. Like it's not a big deal, but but it's weird when they feel weird and it's someone else. I was at, I was at a clinic on campus also, and the room next door is joke with an Asian dude at the table. You'd feel a little weird about it. Yeah. So I had no problem with feeling weird, but I felt weird because it's like, listen, I mean, I'm, I'm good. Like, don't worry about me. Yeah. Like, I'm, I'm good, I'm healthy. I feel good. Like I know that you don't. I know that you. Don't meet any kind of blog. Yeah, you don't hate Jews vegetriolically, I. Was I'm past the house on Harding on the way back from my meal last weekend. So Nazi flag. No, I hear these people from the porch. I overheard them. I I didn't take it bad, but I over here like, oh, those are the they're those people again with the skull caps.

18:09 Whoa, yeah. By the way, but those people have been, by the way, to be fair, those people have been living in South Florida, in Hollywood for 50 years. They've bought their house for $12,000 and, and they've, and they've, and they've, this is the first, the first five years of their lives you've ever seen. Jude 100%. It's 100%. It's not necessarily if there's another. No, not at all. No. If you saw, if dude, remember the first time you saw an Amish person? No, I remember I was like at like 1. I was somewhere on Niagara Falls, I think, and I was in the one. I was thinking there, dude. And at the minute, yeah, I say that's my brother. I'm like, dude, look, there's like how many people here, how they got there? They're here like whatever. They don't travel, they don't take college.

18:49 I thought about. That. Rumspringer No, So I looked it up. Rumspring They hate when people do that because it's like when you're off, right? Yeah. Hate when people. When if you decide never to come back, you can never come back ever again a little bit. Shunned but I'm saying they they hate like just. Have to come back here. News aren't so different. That was funny, yeah. Reputation's tough to think. Yeah. Yeah. But they there was a great interview where someone's like, by the way, Rumspringer is like, not that it's like the way we've. Because I grew up the same thing Rumspringer was like, is it you're off? No, I thought that's the way it was. You know, like I watched an interview. It's like you don't like people say like Hanukkah is about like, lights and peace and love and happiness and you're like, bro, there's like, it's not just like some token holiday.

19:37 There's like, it's not their biggest holiday. Yeah. So they're like Rumspring is like, it's like more. It's not just like some time off. It's like more. But there's a purpose here. It's a good journey. Yeah, dude, let's go, man. That's what I got the champion here for. By the way, if you ever. Yeah, Orthodox Amish people think about Rome. You guys can keep going, by the way. Yeah, I mean, I'm enjoying listening. To you talk to yourself. What is it saying? Yeah. So look, so traditional conservative Amish like the Schwartz and Troopers generally see Rumspringer not as a wild free for all, but as a time of decision making and accountable. Yeah.

20:23 Yeah. A serious and spiritually significant period during which a young person chooses. They want to commit to the auditors. All right, actually, actually, I'm going to totally agree with you. That's just that sounds like they're going to go to the club. That means, like, going on club and decide. Yeah, but you're worried about the sense that there's more intentionality behind it. Yeah. But like, imagine, imagine Jews. Imagine. Imagine going up instead of your urine, Israel you, which is pretty much that, I guess, right. But imagine instead of you're in Israel, you had a year where like part of Judaism was like, yeah, it was like, whatever you want. Yeah, just stitching. Technically you could like, bring her off you asshole. No Shabbos, no nothing, you mean? No, nothing dude. Whatever you want. For a year, then you decide like, is this life you want to commit to or is this to to Katie's point, I would also categorize that just as casually. Like I thought when I listened to anybody, I thought it was this.

21:14 It sounds like a. That's about it. It's like, yeah, but, but I think that if you imagine if you're teaching. Imagine in a family. Structure, right? Imagine like you're you're a. Kid, imagine you're the second or third in your. Family or you're the oldest right you're the first born and like you're growing up a certain way it can hire life and like and then you turn 17 and you can like live by your and then you're like you got a year where like you could do whatever you want and like you know that your siblings are looking up at you and like watching like curious like what do you guys do? You're going out into the world when you have it, dude, imagine like just stupid kosher things, right, like imagine for you, you have to keep kosher right. You go to yeah and it was a partier and then you siblings yeah exactly.

21:55 Your siblings are like what was it like? Is it worth it? Should I you know, like is it is it like is it cool? What should I do is should I should I do that or that that's really it's got to be a bigger part of the culture than Josh job Was that your like dude, yeah, it wasn't that lucky. Hey. Could you look up what? What did the Amish say about leg rubbing you? Have the percentage of people who stay away or versus what? What percentage of rum springers? They're still in the last area. What percentage of of rum springers? I'm going to. Do conservative because again, I got that's. The question. Amish what people stay, stay after rums.

22:37 It's got to be high. Like they're so community like we're still very high. You imagine if someone's like, do you want to leave the Jewish community or stay? You'd be like, fuck that. I'm like I. Would say most of them go back to their families. That's what I'm saying. I agree. Let's see. That's interesting. Yeah, vast majority, 85 to 95100%. Yeah, dude, it makes sense. By the way, makes. Sense in that context of the way you just put it makes sense, dude, because you're growing up a certain way. If you just presented it like, oh, you're 17, you can do whatever you want. I guess to to what what Chatterby says is I guess besides like strong family and communities, which is like a voluntary thing they're saying. There's also like like negative and negative incentives.

23:19 You don't want to run into like limited, like clear consequences, losing daily contact, friends, meaning your meaning and structure system just collapses. Like I guess it is a little. Hard to get a shit update. It makes it hard, you know, you'd be like so would you shit update is oh, but setup dating. I'm curious what the liberal Amish people what what is a liberal Amish philosophy? So is it they're like the beat. They're called Beachy Amish. No way. Beachy Amish. Dude, that's crazy. They're exactly like juice. It's exactly the same thing. They have their own language. And then like you'll have like old order Amish is in between Schwartz and Trooper and Beachy and the old Schwartz and Trooper is like, oh, Schwartz and Trooper is like, like all the way. OK, got you.

24:07 You know, they're they're hardcore. What is it? Where did Amish start? Wasn't it Joseph Smith in like 1700s? It started the 1700s. Yeah. Well, that's when, I mean, there was like, this technology's chill. Let's let's stay here. Let's. This is great. Can't imagine other than this being while we're making AI songs on Kiwi's mom. Do you think we're sitting here like? How it went down, Yeah, yeah. But no, but the old order, they're like the old orders, like our wheels don't have rubber on them. They're just like the window. The the windows are like a cloth instead of like the question is why they choose in that in that particular case is why do they choose to live in like Pennsylvania and Ohio instead of like, I don't know.

24:57 Yeah, but Jews go do use electricity one day a week, not their farmland. A lot of. Jews are in New York is of Ellis Island. Well, that's what I mean. I'm saying there why are why are why are predominantly Asian Americans on the West Coast? Because they can't because they flew over to that. And so Amish are predominantly in the in Ohio and. Pennsylvania. Because of, I guess, farmland. I don't know. That's a good question. Well, I don't have all the answers. I don't know. Yeah, Chad, you had it all out of thought. Dude. Dude, it's so funny. Because liberal Amish, it's different. It's 60 to 80% of youth will stay so it's a little lower any or whatever 60 to 80. Wait, but what's the what would be the difference between someone that's liberal automation as opposed to not no, what's the difference between I know, but like I'd say so like let's say if you're you say if you're orthodox, you're probably not driving on Chavez, right. Yeah, certainly not driving on Chavez. And does that mean, like, if you're a liberal Amish, like you're driving a car, but you're still going to like, yeah, I think some of them are really like, dude, it's so funny. You'll have, you know, the Sarasota floor. I've been going there, you know, on vacation my entire upbringing.

26:01 Yeah. Dude, you never went to corporate ladder before. Like, I've never batted you Amish community there. Oh, or corporate ladder. It's a brewery. It's an Amish community in Sarasota, yeah. Oh, that makes sense. Very similar to like Miami Jews. It's like in if you're in the Sarasota Amish community. I don't want to over generalize. If this blows up, obviously I'm going to get a bunch of hate mail people I don't know anything about. All they have is mail. Yeah, I'll get you invited. I was going to look at Harry Potter, get the letters in from the dove. Yeah. No, I watched this is I watched like 1 documentary. Oh my God, Sarasota. What about the the HBO show about the Mormons is that guy that has like the eight wives and they all live in different houses and it's about the drama behind them? Good idea dude.

26:51 Yeah, let's do it. But wait, the last thing is is because I thought it was so funny. You know how like Amish can't use scooters. They can't use like motorized stuff on shops, right. Like they'll use. Wait, is a scooter considered motorized? Yeah, So. So yeah, they. You can't. Yeah, you. You could. Or cannot. You can't. You can't use electricity. A scooter's not necessarily like a moped. A moped like for for some hand that's like, yeah, like an older guy. Then we can't get to the shul, you know, so. Oh, so in Sarasota, you know you're not, No, you're not in Pennsylvania. You know, whatever they'll like, there's. Florida dude in. Florida wait, like you know how like Jews use scooters down here, but if you live in New York, like you'll never see a single. It's the same type of thing.

27:33 Yeah, it's like, whatever. Wow, that's interesting. It's sunny and culturally, by the way, that makes me even less confident in religion to hear that like like everyone, just everyone just adjust to the. Human. That's it. No, I just think. I think they move somewhere. I see it different and they change. No, but I think I see it different. I see that a lot of he wants that shot. I. Was trying to make that sadly put the stock glass back down anyways for the next time. Just sit there. Oh, there. Fuck you guys. Oh God. Well dude, I'm not a lunatic, man. I'm almost 30.

28:18 I'm going to stick this good tequila. I'm going to take a 30. You're talking you 30 for people? Oh yeah, yeah dude, your birthday was like 6 months ago. No but but but I see what I. There's a difference between shooting and sipping. In terms of impact on your body, no. You know, he's just, no, he's just doing it for no reason. I actually like this tequila dude and just like I want to like. Enjoy maybe? Shooting's worse. It's like a whole. It's like all of it at once. Your liver can't take it. Your liver cane dude. That was crazy, dude. What's up with that dude? Also it made me he's so happy they wanted to fight Rogue. So sick, I know. Sick. I kept up with that for a while.

28:58 Did you? What's the process of keeping up with that like? Is that like? Following the social media. Like, see what he recently posted. It goes from like high end videos to like a vlog to like every two months he posts like a more emaciated, emaciated, yeah, emaciated version of himself. I think you could say both and you could probably sound properly getting away with it. Yeah, guys like TV there when? There's what's going on. You look, you're looking big these days. You keep up with the Liver King. You want you want a little test? No, he's talking. He's saying you're looking ripped. Sandwich. You you he's saying you're looking ripped. You look like Jon Jones. Yeah. You look like Jon Jones.

29:40 Jon Jones. Look, he looks like Jon Jones is. Yeah. I want to hear what? Your head. I I. Didn't hear that there's sentence. I don't know. OK. Yeah. You guys talk. You think he's going to fight on the White House? No. No. Who's fighting at the White House, Dude? Kitty. Tom Aspinall. Tom No, he's not. Dude. You need American, Yeah. Then you're like, you need Americans. You need Americans who are American fighters like Michael Chandler fucking. Sucks. No, he hates Trump. Chandler. Who's the guy that's a Nazi? Oh, Bryce Mitchell, dude. Mitchell. Mitchell. That guy's a nut job, dude. That guy's wild. Do you hear today there's a reporter like asked him a question with like an accident. He thought they were speaking Arabic, so he responded in Arabic and they were like.

30:24 What It's going to be sugar, Sean. He'll be there. Sugar. Sean dude, dude, it's so fun. By the way, by then he'll be on a three-game losing he fight Little St. Roundtree. Oh, I'd love Roundtree. Dude. He if he he's fighting Uri night. Holland, Holland. I would love Kevin Holland. Kevin Holland. Roundtree. Roundtree. Is it Roundtree fighting like a chair? Then you got. Oh, you're putting together a roster? I'm putting together a roster. We need the American fighters. That's why you need American fighters. Who's the American middle weight? All the great middle weights are from other countries. Michael Chef. He's American, no? That case, like the opposite.

31:07 You're not Pakistan. Do you watch Homeland? No, not in the backs. Do you watch Homeland? Of course, dude. Fucking what's happening in the world right now, dude. Good. This. Dude, Israel they were talking about. Do it, Israel Borrowings. When it came out, that's what was happening in the. World Israel's borrowing bunker Buster bombs from America to bomb Iran. Yeah. And America was like, why should we give this to you? I remember that. Dude, I was like, what am I watching this show? Is this show's out of control? Dude. What I. Love salt. You know, you told me. Yeah. I think we're cooking. I think we we're good. Yeah, I think we're cruising. We're thinking. We hit the zone. Yeah, finally. There's always a warm up, warm up phase for the podcast. There's always a warm up.

31:49 They got to easy. They got to shrug your shoulders. Yeah, dude, I did. I've done a couple of podcasts with. You've done a ton of podcasts like that. Yeah, sick couple. I've done a couple in particular where I'm sitting with someone and they haven't done a podcast before and the conversation's been so much fun that like, they'll forget that we're recording Holloway. Max American. Max Holloway, OH. Shit, he's definitely going to fight the White House lawn dude. Dude, he's got to fight to Poria again on the White House lawn. That would be dude, he's going to, he's going to fight to Poria. They're both going to have another 10 lbs on them because they both fought. They both fought featherweight. He's an American.

32:30 Justin Gagee OK, so here's what's happening next, apparently. Right, Ronda? Rousey. Rondo Rousey Ohh. Shit is she? Did she? Retired back now. She was an Entourage dude. Didn't she go to WWE? She's like 40. Yeah, she's been fighting, and she was fighting in 2000 and sticks when the Entourage movie came out. What happened her Her ground game was basketball. One person beat her. By the way, her and Chuck Liddell were like the faces of UFC. She was. Yeah, Chuck. Liddell and Coke at the UFC. That was the funniest video ever. You see that? You've done me that. Before. Chuck Liddell took too much Coke took. It too much. Yeah. So did Neil Young in the In the Last Waltz. In the video, there's a So Scorsese directed a concert video. There's a band called The Band.

33:18 They're confusing, by the way. Yeah. Well, I feel you have to be a big band, otherwise you can't have like, a they were Bob Dylan's band. Whoa. Is. He. Grinding his teeth. Dude, that's crazy. Dude when? You get When you take too much, you lose control of yourself. Yeah, that's so terrible. It's never did you never ever ever just posted about Hunter because honestly he's a good looking. Dude.

34:02 Yeah, he doesn't have a reputation. That was crazy. You just said that this guy has. Do you think anyone has a single question as to how can I be honest that that actually, in my eyes, improved his reputation? Yeah, tell you. How? Yeah. How? Because that would be in. America. No, Because people. Some people will be like, you know what he's not? He's like a real person in front of me, like talking out the like negatives of all this drug instead of just like someone that everyone's like, dude, this guy's naked like, oh, so no one throws out the expert argument with him. Are you are you a pharmacologist? I.

34:44 Was asking you that. 30 years. Healthier than alcohol, which I don't know, maybe. By the way dude, that is something that someone on crack says for. Sure, you know what? Man. Dude nothing. Blue is way safer than alcohol. I think, yeah, he said it. I think he said it was. He's crazy. It's just like. Dude, he's the president of the United States. Son, son. By the way, he sounds just like Joe. His mannerisms on the way he talks. Yeah, dear. I feel bad for Joe man and. You know those. That guy I do. What do you I know, by the way?

35:27 Whoa. Hunter's teeth. They're all fake. Yeah, crack mixtures are teeth. I was. Saying you were saying you look is your is your phone. On now too, dude. What? I shut off my thing. Is it a ringer on? Oh, it's buzzing like buzzes. No, it doesn't. Is it ring is my computer? No, it's yeah, it doesn't ring just vibrates in that computer ring. I'm sorry, dude. I apologize in case I absolutely no one. So, dude, can I talk to ask you about your social media presence as a lawyer? Your lawyer media presence. Well, I mean, you could yeah, it was it's it's I love it, dude. I think it's great. I think you make great content. I it's fun to do, I know. But do you think that you're going, do you think, are you like, do you have an idea to actually build up a brand name as a lawyer slash entertain?

36:10 Like not entertainer, influencer. Yeah, entertainer, us entertainer, because there's no I I just listen. I like I enjoy legal stuff. I enjoy yeah, the stories you post are awesome. No, it's like definitely a hobby and then and then it has the net benefit of just kind of being just a good quality videos too. Yeah and I like I said I enjoy it. I have a buddy of mine who does also. He also does the same thing. He's also a lawyer. Yeah, attorney, yeah, he's a lawyer also. And we would like go back and forth about different equipment. It's just like it's, it's just fun and it lets, it's like, it shows that you're present in the world and that you're out there and, and. I think it's.

36:51 I think it's. Upfront cost, yeah, I think it's really unique. I think it's really cool. I don't know if there's a ton of other lawyers that are doing it or not, but that's also what's cool too is like we both thought it's like, listen, there are other lawyers putting out content, but where like general videos you have you're competing with like a million people totally in in leader in a lawyer environment. You're aging. I mean, you're competing with, let's say 1000 other people, Max. Like it's not that many other people doing that. So it's it's you've got that you have a shot at actually finding engagement. Yeah, and but you had what what what what I what I think stands out to me is that I've seen a lot of cheesy.

37:32 I've seen a lot of people try to do that in a really cheesy way. Yeah. And yours comes off as engaging and funny as opposed to like the cheesy guy that's a little too old team. And I'm not that's not saying that's you, that's too old team making it because the videos are good. But like I've seen people try to make videos like with medical equipment in my industry, you know, like trying to like develop that kind of same vibe. But I will. And it looks terrible. It sounds bad. Some of it does look bad. I will say even that at least you're like, because like the most important thing is telling people on a like, I enjoy the art form, but if your objective is just to get get content out so people know, you know, yeah, this guy is a doctor and this guy is, you know, ENT, ENT, then people know.

38:20 But I to your point, I definitely didn't want to be that guy. I think, and I also think that people would do you think, I think that people I feel would be hesitant to to post those videos because it doesn't seem professional enough at its face. But I think that we live in a world now that's a lot less professional than it's ever been. I think that the the people that are spending money now and the people that are, you know, like the world that we grew up in or not is not a world of suits and formality and formal handshake. You dab someone up and you see, I mean, you see them, You don't you don't get for crisp handshake like, hey, good Sir, it's good to see you.

39:02 What world do you wish you lived in, in between? It's really interesting. More. Formal environment with more social rules or one that's a little more informal? I really, I'm going to say the latter if there's space for the former to exist in it too, so. I would like to live. In like a free world where people, like, go to the movies in the pajamas, right. I think it's the structure. But like, if you also. And I think there could be, I think it'd be cool if there are movie theatres where like, if you went to them, it was known to be like a nicer event and you'd dress up for it. Yeah. You know, all bets are exactly right. So it's not like you have to do one or the other. And that's different places.

39:45 Yeah. And you seem I always you always seem like a very I guess cosmopolitan or or individual, like a very person that they actually like depreciates unique and and differently totally, but I but I feel I I really believe what when TV just finished jerking off at the corner. He's back. How's it going? Talk to the guy. What do you say? What? Once other shit I've I've whatever. It's such a long story. You want to hear it? I'm I'm chill it soon bro.

40:26 It's so. Just just know that, dude, I'm saying just tell you whatever, somebody know. Just remember, there's like 10 million people that are going to hear it. I think organizers for drawers and guy said I need one because my drawers. So you're going to hook him up? I have about 50 organizers that I can't sell in the back of my truck right now. You'll bring him. And, and I told him I'll bring him over and you can measure and see which one fits, but I'm not custom making one for you. And you just see if one of these fits in your drawer, probably will. And but the rest I told him I want to sell to a caterer for like charcuterie boards or something like that. That's it. That's a story, but what was funny? You like laughed like that's just that just sounds like your friend wanted something and you happen to be in that industry and say give him a free one.

41:15 That's kind of nice dude. Would you give me a free representation? I think it. Depends. What if you're on Epstein's list? I don't know. What's that first thing I'll? Measure your drawer before I get rid of them. What? Do you want to measure your drawer? You it's it's W. Oh dude, that's a great idea. It's not a bad idea do. You want. To measure, Debbie bought organizers, but Deborah. Why did she buy organized? She bought because we didn't know the. Drawer. Yeah. Made out of what? Made out of plastic. It's just like you can extend. Oh, you got the extend there the. I'll make like. Like no, it fits your drawer exactly. What I realized Kiwi's entire character but in real life dude. He's a tiger character.

42:03 No, no, I I believe you. If you were interesting, yeah, go. Sorry. My God, dude. Dude, I think it's really interesting that regular people content is coming back that like for for probably 20 years, probably 20 years, everything was like, there's one spy that like saved the world now. Like you see Netflix putting out like crime series based on like Yellowstone. Like Yellowstone. I'm talking about like nature shows, creature crime. Captures by. Porn.

42:48 But I think that it. I know what you mean dude. I think a lot of the content. Did you, did you watch David Attenborough? I love David Attenborough. I believe what he did. Dude, he's like 100 dude. He's 100 about 2-3 years ago. What was he again? David, he's the voice over for every nature document. You know, Obama did one of those. Obama. Yeah, dude, he did a voice over for nature documentary. Well, Can you imagine what it's going to be like when he gets arrested and then just take it off in Netflix? Why? Do his next. And. Feed. The baby. That. Yeah.

43:29 Dude, he was crazy. I had no idea. I didn't know anything about him while he was President Obama. I didn't know anything about what's going on in the world, Dude, I was so sheltered. Yeah, I was so sheltered. I didn't know all the game. Was my dad on the phone with his friends? I'm gonna throw up. I'm nauseous and I'm like, why Daddy? Why you're like keep me shouting. You're like my. Parents were like moving to Israel. Dude, keep. Me shouting you were like 37 when you were. But I was doing the math in my head. I'm like, dude, you were definitely like I was. 17. Yeah, you're an Israel. Yeah, OK, you're an Israel. Yeah, Dude, That's, dude, I I was young enough the first time I remember my parents said they're moving Israel, waiting to see who really won. He's running, guys.

44:09 McCain, right? Dude I couldn't even vote the one I. Stayed up for was. Trump, Hillary, McCain. Everyone stayed up for Trump. Trump, Hillary, Dude, I was in college, dude, my God. Blackout drunk with my friends. We we, we made a drinking game out of the election where like we had both Fox and CNN up on the same every. Time Hillary grabbed A crotch. You take a, take a. Yeah, Donald, Yeah. Can you post this? I hope so. This guy, this guy alone two company. Yeah, I know. It's good we're in the zone. Odd dude. 2025 man walks over. That's it dude.

44:53 Hillary's all about the strap. Off dude I can't comment get fired I'm going to get fired for Taurus climb. I got to stop there, but but Hillary by the. Way do you think people Taurus climb? Listen to your podcast. I. Know that's all my students listen to it. All right, so just edit that out. No, dude, I don't edit, man. No, you got a keynote because then it's no, no, no, dude, we're 42 minutes in, dude. If someone's that committed. Well, in that case, yeah, goes on a Nazi razing star rating with that expletive waiting.

45:33 Oh my God, dude. Yeah, Go, go, go. My. Brother-in-law was saying. Did you guys do this last shot? Yeah, me. And my brother were talking about how is New York? My brother, we were talking about how in New York, everything starts at 5:00 AM So like, by 9:00 AM, like, everyone's having lunch. Yeah. You know, like that's how it is. What that always happens? In the West Coast, by the way. Whatever. No, in New York, like the hustle, like. That's but the West Coast. They're all starting East Coast time a lot of times. Whatever, all I know is like. Do you think the West Coast is you're? They're not better than us. There's so much better than us. Their weather. Wait, hang on. So he's like everyone, Everyone's like, everyone's hustling, you know, like getting there before, like the day.

46:17 It's like 9:00 lunch. And then I just said it. I was like, dude, people won't crash a plane into a building before 9:00 AM. You said that dude. Dude, that good? For you, man, we got the nun. Lugging joke and not being a comedian, you're was crying on the floor. I was like, I was like, in New York today, you don't even cross into a building before. Oh my God, there's some jokes that are so good. Very, very funny. No the. Statues. Laugh out loud, but like, you just feel wrong. Yeah. You know what it is, by the way? It's. I'll tell you what it is. It's the structure that that's also funny about it. There's a yeah, Samuel said it so well. He's like this joke, He goes, this joke is going to lose you guys, but structurally it's solid. And he put that so well because he was like, listen, the content's going to make you go, but the build up and the way that I've raised it and the terminology and execution is going to be flawless.

47:15 We've all heard it because I OK, Joe gains a lot of heat because his last, his last, I love his last special. So happened to me. I love this. I thought I thought it wasn't up to par, but and the early stuff was also bad, but Rocky Mountain high album up to his most recent was so funny, dude. And do you remember vegan cats? He has a whole bit about vegan cats. Harvey Weinstein bit was so funny. A female Harvey Weinstein was hysterical to you and then you went to the show at remember right before we got COVID, he did a live show in Miami. You were there. I didn't go. Are you sure? I'm positive. I do not go. Someone else. I know I was.

47:56 Oh, shit. Someone else. Someone else. He got a joke. He had such a good joke man. So I thought. It wasn't me, yeah. How to tell a joke? I just time to grow up. I also had a two nights at one time and the first night he said, you know why everyone says, well, I have a phone call to take this. He's like, no one's you're not really that busy. You know why not? Because they're calling you, right? No one left because it was an attack on them, like because they're calling you. Yeah. The second night he did the same joke. But he's like, you know why they're not busy? Because those people are important. Like you don't need to deal with these people. You have better stuff to do. That's so good. Cracked up. Because then the joke. Is done, then the joke is done.

48:36 By the way, that's the structure. So he, so that's how he went about it. He did that at a young age and that's how he just changed his whole. Life. I bet that's also why you. That's also how you why you, when you deal with hecklers like you zone in on them and not the audience. Like you don't make a joke at the audience's expense. You make the joke at a particular person's experience that everyone else can get behind on. The hecklers, It's free material. Yeah, dude, you just go on of off of them for 20 minutes. Yeah, especially now because I think among comedians, the the cringe thing is to like do too much crowd work, because crowd work, according to them, it's so easy. They say it's cheap. It's a yeah. So it's like they go viral, you know, they're like. Like this. I don't like too much storytelling.

49:18 There's so much personal storytelling. Oh really? I do like that I it's the artist kind of now. Storytelling. Just not the whole fucking set. Well, some observation. So Andrew shows his Yeah, exactly. His life thing was always. Different. That's story. That's that's not multiple stories. That's a whole set on that one story basically. And that was. Gold. No, but I know you're. Talking. That was one of the best standard. For sure performance I think. You're talking about when there are people who do pressure, you know, 100,000. About to say. I don't, I don't. I have never listened. He just said funny, so they're not. Necessarily true. He just. But he'll. And then he'll do a hysterical laugh. Yeah, and he does like this. Hysterical. He plays like this, drunk without a shirt on, like with the yeah.

50:02 I know who he is, I just haven't. I think he's funny. Like there's little Instagram videos and stuff like that. There's a. Community I think he was good with Tom Segura is good stand up. I agree because I was going to say him that he was stand up. I think he was pod. I I hate his stand up. Oh, I I think it stands. I I've heard a few good bits. I was terrible. No, Theo Theo von Theo terrible. I I don't know. No, no, by the way. It's. The Tom Vera, you know, I mean, it's, it's interesting, but but I think it's I, I what I like about his podcast is that when he asks very good, he asks things that are so you know what, what people say, for example, about a genius is, am I calling him a genius? But he will say about a genius who says that they can explain it to you.

50:46 They can explain it to you. You know, someone's a genius, but they can explain a difficult concept to you as if it's really simple. He's good at getting really smart people to explain things in a really simple way because that's right and not because he's a genius. He's no offense, dude, you know, but you know nothing but love. But like, he's not Eric Weinstein. Eric Weinstein, when he. When he. When he tells a story, dude, I love that dude, but he gives you an example. He could give you 10 different examples that that emphasize that exact point in 10 different topics, movies, music, television, pop culture, history, all to and all of them say the exact same point, which is the exact point you're trying to explain to you right now and I'll like. Ever listen to was him debating times Howard on Rogan? Dude, amazing.

51:37 It was the greatest pop. I didn't listen. I heard Cliff. I was. He It was just so nice to hear something. He was. So he's such a good debater, but he was so nice or something. So, so smart too. Yeah. Because he, because he's. Trying to defend that 1 + 1 = 3 and our questions like. You're crazy. You know, but he also told to his face, You're looking for attention. It's wrong what you're doing, no? No. No, it's not what he didn't say. I know he didn't say it like that. The reason why it was just a little bit because you're wasting people's time. But your point is that he had a really good way of phrasing it so that Terrence Howard could hear it for sure. If he told Terrence Howard you don't know what you're talking about, he wouldn't hear that for sure. What he says is you're really smart. You know how to put things together in a unique way. Here's where you get lost, right? And So what he's doing is he's setting him up to be willing to hear the criticism.

52:31 That, Eric, is is is. So smart, Eric's. Rephrasing, Terrence Howard was saying even though he knows it's bullshit he's under. Yeah, yeah, he's showing him, understands what he's saying. He. Understands. What he's saying, Yeah, yeah, dude. It's so good. Dude, it's so great so. Good. Yeah, I love Eric Watson. I think in the world of. I think I think in a. World of like everyone's. Trying to do, everyone's trying to play, I think. I think everyone plays a Duncan game, not a dunk. Everyone bench here came onto the scene and I think I think it started with him, but like this confident, very informative, clearly very knowledgeable person who like can't stand him. By the way. I hate to say it, no, but but Ben Shapiro, you can't judge me. It's not I love him.

53:13 I think it happens to be I agree with a good amount of things he says, but but what he started, what he started was like this this like caricature of like. And now everyone's trying to copy this like unapologetic, know everything, super certain about everything. Not willing to hear anything that you are weak on. You just do like and it's if you look for it, it's obvious like anytime any of these like deflection character. Yeah, they just like pivot. But well, what about what? What do you hate about America? And what about yeah, those like America is the greatest country or they'll they'll be weak about something and then just pivot to a similar but topic they're very strong on.

53:55 So they can say the one philosopher they read on that topic. Do you know Sinclair's? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, listen, it's like it's on, by the way, because it's baiting a skill. It's a skill. It's a skill, skill set. And this guy's done it 10,000 times. Yeah. But so do you think that Charlie? Did. Charlie Kirk's the same way, I think, because Charlie Kirk I think also similar in the sense of no distributive voice going to college campuses. No, no more than that. More than Ben. Yeah, I think he saw the bottle and I think he said like, we can squeeze this. And by the way, I'm not even saying that political movements or movements in general don't need hype character. Yeah, for sure they do. But but if you're looking for like a nuanced, interesting, unique point from Kirk from from Charlie Kirk, he's not the guy that's going to give it to you, right? He's not a philosopher.

54:42 He's the he's the Dunkman. He's the guy that dunks and gets everyone to go. Oh, and watch here's. Your problem with Ben in that in that he deflects any other idea coming to him besides his like it's it's. The. Other thing the. Other thing that he but I what I would say. Is he? When he was on Jubilee people, he doesn't accept their ideas, he just says no. But when he was on Jubilee, you know what I mean? But I would say when he was on Jubilee, he went in front of, what's the guy's name? The the the well known also kind of a dunk, but he's a liberal, like similar to like Ben's. Oh, oh, oh, I know who you're talking about. Probably Crowder PP No, no, no, he's a streamer.

55:24 Yeah. Destiny. No, not Destiny's great too, but I was thinking he's great. He's on Jubilee. He went on and this guy started talking about how the Senate is DEI OK because the Senate is 2 people per state, and that that was negotiated by the states because they were insecure about their sizes. Cool. Then like struggling with that and trying to formulate and then later Ben says. What Senator? 2 Congressmen. Two senators per SE? What? Yeah, there's 2 senators, 100 senators. There's 100 congressmen. No, no. I used. To I know this, I don't, I don't know. I don't know this stuff.

56:07 I'm not going to. I'm not going to pay this. I don't know senators and congressmen per SE. I'm I know this congressman per state and 1 senator. Every state has two senators. Congressmen are based on based on, you know, the 3/4 compromise and population. So you think you know something, look at that, and then you don't look, you don't know it. Brian. Pink chicken. But this. But wait. So yeah, hello. You're talking because no, I don't know. It's just me now. He went to go grab some No. So the funny. So he does the point of DEI and then bench care later says like he was the most interesting one to talk to. He he had an interesting point.

56:55 He disagreed. Ultimately, he acknowledged that this guy like brought up an interesting fresh idea. He had a response, which was that the state's negotiated it. But it is rare, I guess. Yeah, by the way, that's a great call. It's a great call, by the way, Maybe maybe Bench and all these dudes, when I say I like him, don't like him, it's obviously based on their public persona. And then they do. And you know, all the videos I see, I'm sure he's a, you know, he's based it off his public, you could say. Voice. I don't care. They've been. Doing these public personas we have a problem with. He can be a nice guy, Yeah, by the way. And and what I've always said is that I think there's a time and place for the Duncan. And I actually think that a certain point dunking hurts you. And I think that, Yeah, can you? Explain what dunking is. When you like going for when you say like America's the greatest country in the world, then you ask a teenager to like respond to that.

57:42 And then you always have a pivot ready and you always have something or let's say, no, it's not, it's not that it's, it's like up so that you can like you make a mistake that someone tries to argue with you and then you dunk on them and. You got a job? Yeah, Yeah. You just set it up because you know all this. Charlie Kurt does that. Yeah, and Ben Shapiro started by doing that where you say that anything. So what's your problem? And then they'd be like, my problem is that women do blah, blah, blah. And he's like, yeah, well, everything. You know when they're dunking, when they respond way too quickly to that. Yeah, that's right. Out of their mouths like. Pouncing 100% and he's so right. Like the second they finished like yeah, but they just.

58:23 That's when you're negotiating. That's when you're negotiating with someone and you're like 200. Like whenever the other guy's responding way too quickly. 100%. But that makes you not, that makes you not want to deal with that person. I actually think that's a big I also think by the way, and also he's kind of sorry to call him out like this flip flop. I don't think he's going to. I think it's ridiculous that he flip-flopped on like, I'd say freedom of speech stuff or like, you know, like DI stuff when it comes to like Orthodox Jews or Israel or whatever. Early on. He was early on when he was talking, they did his stuff.

59:03 What happened? Nothing. Yeah. I don't know what happened. I know, but like it almost feels like there's been a, there's been a whoa, there's like 400 fat boys. Or is it running like probably. What's a billion dollar company? Yeah, yeah. Journalists work for him all over. Yeah, I think he had to sell some of his opinions, right. You have to sit to a certain degree of the sellout to be that big. You can't stick on everything. That's why I never want to freaking do any of that shit, dude. Yeah, it's tough, man. That's good. It's not. But it's also not worth it. Like, what's it worth? What's the ball? He says he shipped. He says he keeps. He gets to keep 60% of his opinions. But now and shift all that. But now everyone's laughing at him. True, yeah, you know, because you got stuck in you got stuck in that devil's deal that you made to, to to sell out and, and have and have one opinion for everything. Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's that's that's the problem. You can't change now It's it's too many too much online. Yeah, yeah, I think.

59:56 There's been, There's been, there's been. Destiny is probably a great example on the left of someone who will literally just say whatever he thinks he does not he recently. I mean he's crashed out mine. What happened to him? He crashed out hard. He just started hating on concert. He's a liberal who does like. He does. He's got like, he's very like logic and making an actual, he wants to formulate a good argument. He's probably not. Even that liberal, he's probably what he call, he's probably an independent that just likes to say he's liberal. Because his court stays liberal. But but he's but he's a great example of that because his audience will always stay relatively small. Every time he has an opportunity to be bigger, he just like is. So I guess that he wants to keep his opinion so badly he wants to say. No, but you know by the way, but the difference is that. He if.

1:00:42 He's. Good quality of his own opinions. He's a Tim Dylan or Joe Rogan. Sure, if he's a moron that's literally crashing out then he's devastating and he falls apart and no one knows what happens to him. You know, like. When's the last time? Like when's the last time he was getting respectable? Like he was going on like Lex Friedman's debate with a bunch of really not to do that. He went online, he said, shame on you, Lex, you piece of shit. Like for the for the most part, no way. What do you say rate relation with Lex Friedman did multiple things. I love Alex amazing content with Lex. He's actually growing. He's actually, you know, growing. And then he goes ahead and Lex, I think does like one interview with one of these conservatives and like I guess doesn't hit hard enough on like against the conservative points.

1:01:27 And he's destiny like publicly says about Lex, like you sell out you piece of shit you like. And then Lex says publicly, like, I'm really surprised by this. I, I really thought we were friends. I thought this kind of criticism, you would DM me like we'd have a conversation about it. I don't know why you're doing this publicly. I, I feel it's, it's disrespect. And then they like they broke the relationship fell apart because I, I'm good about keeping, keeping himself a human. And it's so funny because he's such a robot. He's like, he's like a, he's robotic about keeping himself human. It's crazy, but I agree with you. Like Destiny just every, it seems every time the guy like finds a foothold, he just wants to be fringe. Yeah, yeah.

1:02:09 And I kind of hear that at a certain point. And also by the way, and I really do think there is a human psychology thing of self sabotage. I think that devices. Are I think that like we take pleasure some kind of weird sick pleasure and like knowing your side. This guy nods along with your sabotage. Of course, that's what advice is. Advice is self sabotage, right? What's your advice? It's like I'm a healthy person. What's your advice? Your advice is always going to be drinking, smoking, women, you know, porn, whatever that whatever it is. But but we like everyone needs advice. It's so weird. We need like something to direct our self-destructive of like tendencies, tendencies into, but like, why do we even have that? Like what would be the point? Like what's that?

1:02:50 Like what's the evolutionary purpose of having a self-destructive? You know that. We're human. Yeah. No dude, that just limits time being human. OK. So. But that's not good. You want you want to preserve yourself as long as possible. No, I never said it was good and you're not consciously doing. It dude, did you listen to figure out you're? Going to say it all. I think you just want to, you just want to like give in to the so you just want to give in to the dopamine head. You just don't want to. That's what it is. You don't want. To fight it. Yeah, yeah. Your body. You want to just do what feels good and you don't want to fight what feels good. And most people who do it further end up dead or. Over. Yes, exactly. Yeah, if you take it too far, you're, you're, that's the scary part, right?

1:03:34 Everyone, Yeah. Everyone here knows someone who drank and drove. And everyone here, everyone here has probably, maybe. No, I have a lot of. I can't. I've always been very careful. But I know people who who I know I, I can't say I know people who are, who have a lot to lose, who will, you know, very publicly just get behind the wheel of a car. And it's, and it's, it's been a problem for them. Yeah. But you know what? They don't look at it like that. No, no, no, definitely not in the moment. But also I don't think there's certainly people that are certain the twenty 30th time they've done it. You know what sad dude, there was the UI. Most people who do it.

1:04:14 It's like the 200th time I've been thinking about this for a while. I I, I, I, I was hanging out with someone. I went to an open mic like 6 months ago, right? And I was hanging out and I brought AJ with me and, and after and after I and I can't smoke before I play. I get too self-conscious. But after I play, I go outside and I take a couple of puffs to hang out and go go back inside and hang out and see who else is playing. Excuse me? And, and there was someone outside. There's two people outside that I knew and I was like hanging out with them and I was talking to them and, and I and I was smoking and I was like, Hey, you guys want to hit.

1:04:56 And they're like one guy was like sure, like takes a hit and like the other and like the person that he was with took a hit and the person took a hit with like a sad enthusiasm. You know, like you get like almost so whatever it is like almost like a sense of like guilt, but like I gotta have it, you know, like, and we've definitely had that feeling with like a beer or like a drink where like you didn't want that drink, but like everyone else is having a drink or like whatever is going to give like a sad enthusiasm for your vice where like, you know, it's not good for you. You know, you don't want it. You just go ahead and you just like push it, you know, and like I thought to myself, like, that's so sad. And then, and then I I mean, I'm experiencing myself too. No, I I listen.

1:05:45 I think if we're, if we're honest, most people have probably experienced it. Most humans let themselves down at, at some point in their lives. Yeah. You know, no matter what capacity. Poor Kiwi, He's crying. But you're on a serious note, Suite. You know, but. I thought it was interesting, like I, I, that, that, that moment really resonated with me where like you could see the person like wanted to smoke so badly and like felt like they, they shouldn't and like did and like, there was like a like, like the way that like they just took the hit. They were like, so like, like, excited and prepared, you know? And I was like, I don't feel good about, like, sharing in that kind of sense, you know?

1:06:28 Like, I was like, yeah, that wasn't what you wanted to do. No, of course not. I mean, I don't know if knowing is going to happen, you know? But can't control it. Yeah, I wonder we would just be. If you could be happy. You. Said you knew, you know, call people OD. Yeah. I don't even know deed. I don't people that committed suicide hang out with Wow. I know, I know, I think. 4. Or five people that committed suicide. Whoa, that's. A lot of people. Yeah, I did. Whoa, yeah, I know one person who committed suicide. Katie, did you kill him?

1:07:10 Casey, do you want a truly no dude, I'll but but like it's an American film. There you go, man. I have. It's right here. Yeah. Oh, it's. So it's still going. Sure. OK, I'm going to take. Do you want to? Should I have citrus squeeze or another watermelon? Great. I'm not having a good time. I'm not doing it surely. I know which one should I have. Citrus squeeze or watermelon? Do you want the watermelon? We are doing it's. Crazy. He's asking. Me so panacea dude, what about Kiwi Kiwi's in pacing? He's looking at his no pacing going pasting split break. Oh, split break.

1:07:53 Yeah, I wanted to ask you about AI more. No. About utilizing it about your friend that your friend that used it for for his business and whether or not you think that's a viable thing that's like worthwhile to do. This is unfortunate, but this is a weird time. I need the restroom but I he just. Oh, hang on. Well, I meant to. No, we're we're back. Yeah. We meant to ask what? What's how much? What have you learned since starting? Because this pods now you're over 100 episodes. Over 120 probably, because I know that you. Yeah.

1:08:34 Well, we celebrated the 100th, Yeah, but it wasn't really the 100th because you had like over 100, by the way, under named guys. And some of those were just you like Bill, like you were just. Yeah, you would just do just you. Those are. What have you learned since talking to that many people? Because you've talked to some interesting people. What have I learned? It's a cool. It's a cool thing. I've really learned that there's information to kind of back up anything that you want to find and there is literally an endless amount of information to back up people's biases to anything that they want. Did that? Was that depressing to see or feel? Because no, it kind of had a.

1:09:15 Feeling that it already existed. To be you kind of knew, yeah. Everyone still everyone's talking shit. Yeah, it must be. It must be. Everyone's got info to back them up. But yeah, confirm it. But you know, it's actually crazy to me, though. It's crazy to me when they're actually think opinions that people have that really don't hold light. And then when they still stick to them and you're like no weight to it. It doesn't really like and, and maybe it's to me, I've been, I've been working really, really hard to try to be open minded and to really be able to like process and and like accept even if it's uncomfortable or, or difficult or challenging uncomfortable truths. Yeah. Uncomfortable truths. And and then when you see that people's opinions are shaped by their inability to accept uncomfortable truths, that's in your like, he just walked.

1:10:06 In I don't even know. Who decides what you know what at the end of the day? It's so it's so crazy because like, you know, you say that AI is like it's a possible to tell the difference between like anything. It's already fucking impossible to tell the truth between anything anyway, dude. Well, that's not. It's not. You're not. It'll be on a higher level, but but to your point, same shit, same so. My brother-in-law in Israel, he's developing an app he's really close to like getting it done. An app. A lot of people develop an app. Basically. Not inventing the idea it. Listens. The idea is worth one stupid percent. Dude. He. Uses AI to listen to conversations and tell. They could tell based on what the person is saying, whether they're lying. So whoa, yeah, it's a whole.

1:10:50 It's a context that's like the next, the next version of the. What do you call it? The what do you call detector? Yeah, lie detector. He's. He's been, he's been calling like all over the US, mainly the US. He doesn't deal with it, but he listens. He calls it forensic psychologist. Psychologist. And he just talks to them, you know, because those are the guys who could tell whether a person's lying or not without a lie detector. By the way, they usually can't. Whatever it is. Pretty notoriously he's. Building an app and like CEOs can use these. Use app for board meetings, job interviews, things like that. That's cool. That is very, very. I guess what I guess what it's probably better at than humans are is keeping track of a story that someone's telling and then catching inconsistencies because our memories don't tend to.

1:11:40 End this conversation with his app has a whole analysis drop down of yeah that was said. Really, really, really. That's the. Way you were going with it, Awesome. You get to see. You get to. See the awesome. Logic training. That's awesome idea. Very, very. I love that. Almost done like with the initial like investment. Because the, the, the, the getting fucked left and right, man, part of AI isn't, isn't now because now, like frankly the only AI you see. Because I remember like 10 years ago I was talking about AI and like, really it was like, because not, I'm not like unique, but like there were people that just knew artificial intelligence was coming, but it wasn't to market. So like 10 years ago I was 15 and like thinking about it, talking about it, then sending it in law school. And then like 2 years ago it actually exploded. Mark.

1:12:32 Yeah. But like before two years ago, it was no one even thought about it. It was like if you mentioned AI three years ago, like, oh, like what? Like like you're not like, Oh yeah, sure. Because three years ago, the version of AI that we were seeing was, you know what it was? It was imessages guessing what our next word is going to be. And it was so bad at it. Do you remember that? Yeah, he was actually like, hey, new engineers. It was coming very fast and very aggressively. Yeah. But the the craziest part is going to be when AI, because I always remember this, this thing coming up, which is engineers right now are even now to this day are surprised at how well AI can. Yeah, they don't get it. They can. They can learn.

1:13:13 I think we're really making consciousness. I think we are. I don't think I I. Really don't think it's that far. It's the top. It's Eric Weinstein again. Eric Weinstein again. Had a conversation with Diary of a CEO, and it literally sounds like he was an acid the entire time. He sounded like he was. He was speaking about, about he was. His responses had nothing to do with what the guy was prompting him with. But one of the things he said is that most human beings are LLMS. Like most of the LLMS. Yeah, large language models like most of your conversations that you have with people on a regular basis in your life could be had with ChatGPT. Yeah, you could do a binary of, you know, you could just say how you doing good Well, you know, how's life been? How's the kids?

1:13:56 Good kids are fine. School's hard. You know like most of this stuff does not require conscience conscious thought. So human beings are LLM's to a certain extent. And then when you push us to a certain point and we have a certain amount of pressure or stimulation or flow and conversation, we can achieve something that kind of exceeds that level of LLM ship and that's consciousness. Well, the the issue is, the issue is we don't know what consciousness it is. And so the problem that you run into is, is I've been trying to reach out to people that study consciousness, by the way, for the podcast. Yeah, I want to talk to them. It's I, I would love to hear that. Because the, the biggest problem with AI isn't when I say problem, I mean distinguishing human from AI.

1:14:41 Yeah. Is that the only way we ever do it is just based off of what you just said. We we only when I talk to you, when I talk TV, when I talk to people, you just you know that you're not AI because you whatever you think, look at yourself, you think you're not and you use free will. No. What? But you're confident even dude, No, no, but no, no. What was it? Because I'm talking about the question is the fact that you the observable, you're talking about observable universe. OK. You don't have a choice, right? To a certain degree, yeah, right. There are things you there are things you don't choose. You always have the purposes of your desire. Find out in my life, you have to be. You have a desire to reproduce, right? Yeah. That's not choice.

1:15:22 That's DNA. That's someone wrote that into your DNA. OK, so we have evidence that there are things that we don't choose. We don't choose to have adrenaline pumping through US and have an animalistic response thing. Not to reproduce, though even it's a desire to. So birth control and contraception, but he's great. He's saying we can choose. Yes, there's before in front of us we can say, yeah, of course, that's also the same to make the same argument. If you were not in a place where you were there to protect your offspring, then you did not have offspring. That's why you didn't have offspring when you were 12, even though you're physically capable of. There's a lot of evolutionary, a lot of evolutionary. There's a lot.

1:16:07 There's a lot. There's a lot you. Can't afford to have a kid. That's the point. And they don't have a kid. It's but it's not, it's not going against their nature. It's in their nature to not have a kid that they can't preserve. Correct. So it's still not a choice they're making. I mean if free will is given to every human being. That's that's what we say, no. That's crazy. This is straight from God. No, I'm sorry. So why it's so God? So tell me why so? That's the that's. What I understand the words that I understand, the words that we are not. But the point is, the point is we haven't mapped out what and how consciousness manifests. And I like to believe and do believe that there is some unique element to it.

1:16:52 But in the observable universe, you have to prove it. And right now all we can prove is is how we see the universe. So when I'm talking to you, if a robot, right, if an AI can do everything you do everything, including programming not to sleep outside of marriage and infidelity, including all of those things and programming. All I can see are two versions of TV and they're and they and they operate the same way. They operate the same way I have. I have no way of distinguishing the two. That's the issue. Yeah, but that robot is not thinking about how I broke my ankle in 3rd grade and I was traumatized by that. No, Sir, I know.

1:17:34 But am I aware that you're thinking? That no. OK, so who cares? What You're aware, but I'm only aware. Why does that? Matter. Because what Paige is saying is that to the observable universe, I won't have no way of knowing that you have your own subjective worlds and you can just made that up. OK, so I'm saying where you go with that? Who cares? Is that all we can measure? All we can measure is what we see and experience. And and I can't measure what you experience. I measure what I experienced, right? And and if I see an AI experiencing life the same way and I tested, you know, the Turing test, the Turing test is used. The Turing test is literally sitting in front of another human being and judging whether they're an AI and you have to figure it out.

1:18:16 So no way really that's what it is. That's what it is. That's the test been the whole time. That's everyone says like the Turing test is. That's the Turing test is is that's a test. The test is, is it because we have because all we can go off of the house? But. Sit out of another guy on the. Street and I passed it on certain topics so if you think about car crashes you can't tell but right now I don't think it's passed like as like yeah if. There's a guy beating the shit out of another guy on the street. The robot is going to take the guy who's being the shit out of the other guy and be like, whoa, stop hitting him. What the human's going to say is the guy who's going to beat enough? Oh, that guy's that rapist from last night. Ohh yeah OK, good.

1:18:57 Don't stop. By the way, but time out, time out, time out. That's just ridiculous argument because because AI has memory now. Dude, your ChatGPT remembers the conversation and click contact with though. Dude I understand. No, it's simple. I can make it because I will. Take a video of something and have that. No, no, any hypothetical. We can just always create a hypothetical where a AI manifest in its actions exactly the same as a human and then you still have to always you always end up having to determine right, two actions are the same, which one is human. Now wait one second.

1:19:38 I want to give you an olive branch because because what I do agree with is I think Elon Musk recently said this. We nobody but he's doing early bro. He's been the guy that fucks wrong. Yeah, dude, Can you imagine that? Can you imagine 50 years telling someone, like there's someone on the spectrum and like we're quoting him and like, dude, 50 years ago, not 50 years from now. Did I say 50 years ago? Oh, you said that. Yeah. No, but when it comes to human consciousness, we don't know. That's why I said, you know what it is. We don't know it. I agree. I agree. And, and what Elon Musk's point is, is like, if we want to continue to, to have the, the human experience, we, we just have to upgrade our hardware so that our, our.

1:20:26 Our processing and our our hardware is just can can keep cause consciousness software. But yeah, but but I'm not, I don't denigrate the the human experience. Yeah. By the way, the idea and I don't know if it's gonna hold up. But it's an interesting idea. That the AI conscious is gonna match the human conscious is totally absurd to me. That's all really. Dude, it's not at all even a little bit scary to you. No, I. Think it's going to be so? Scare the shit out of me, dude. I just go for a job. One of the first people to eat. Dude, this guy's like fuck that AI is going to come along and be like, well this guy don't come. Close to the to the way we were created in the image of God. That's it. I'm sorry.

1:21:07 Like by the way, I. And I think AI is going to be so smart and so, but it's not going to come close. By the way, there's a lot of people that I remember thinking this a while ago. And then I think other people obviously come in the same room, which is when you look at obviously the Torah and the what it means to be human, that the Torah. But the Torah even contemplates, albeit when we when we think about my chef, we think about all these concepts it we do discuss, you know, the human experience sort of has an endpoint that that everyone's there's going to be more. We say we're going to go to Olamanishama, which is really the world of souls. So you know what that is? Yeah, we might find a way to capture are consciousness, which could be the soul and no idea what's going on we're. Like the thing that affects the soul? Well, I just think that we have no idea what's going on. We have no idea what's going on.

1:22:00 And they're synthesizing intelligence and they're doing all this stuff. And so I, I try to stay humble while also staying, you know, saying, dude, it's crazy. And also the interesting thing is I thought it's really consciousness. I'm not scared at all. I'm not scared. I'm having a beer. If I was scared, they have you sitting here not. Going to be. No, no, I said. I'm here. He's having his last beer. No bro, I meant like I'm not obviously not scared of you're out of control dude. I love it. Just give you a little shot. Yeah, yeah.

1:22:41 Dude, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm like scared enough that I'm going to like stop living. I listen. Like you said, you got to live. You laugh. What is it? Live, laugh. Love. Like, yeah, Make Love. Not. Not love, not war. Listen, the fact that three humans right now are sitting on a table drinking, talking about this stuff, it's amazing. It's a beautiful. Thing, dude, we're having a good time. That's what you think dude. You're all my AIS in my head. I cannot wait to go home and listen to that Kim's mom song again. Oh, it's so good. By the way, I'm telling you Pops, no cat. I just dude, I'm. Filling it up. Man, no, you've been slacking it. Yeah, dude, I've. You look a little blessed, a little blushy.

1:23:25 I'm just talking out of my huge ass dude. What? Never mind how bad. That's pretty. Good, I get because. Dude, just don't try to box me out before playing basketball. I we're trying to, we're trying to I love it. I. Yeah, like Kimi's knocking away and let's. Just do this now. I think that why dude, we're back, dude, we had to pause because there's been a fit of outrageous behavior.

1:24:05 So we're going to we're going to just simmer down a little by taking another shot of tequila and pacey is chugging my Lefroy like a lunatic. By the way, it's something you sip. It's not something you chug. You're an opitic. I'm going to be real. My my dad introduced if anyone, if any of the listeners want to get a bottle of Lafoe. It's a great bottle, very smoky. But I had AI had a friend in college, Michael Steinberg, whose friend sounds so Jewish. He is Steinberg Steinberg. Wow, friend of the pod and friend of the pod. Dude, let's go. He's friends. He's like friends with the pod and he and he lived down the down the hall from me in college.

1:24:49 And he used to be able to smell when I'd open up a bottle of the floor again Friday night, he'd walk into my apartment to be like, you're drinking smoke. Yeah, 100. And I'm like, that's my dad. I say, dude, he opens the bottle like at the bar, like I walk in and I know that such a potent, pungent, potent. Just the AC for people listening. This guy looks up like like like a lizard like a like a reptilian instinct of danger. Pouring rain. First of all. Dude, I got a good one. I got a good one. If anyone knows what you look like right now you're wearing. I got to explain the joke. Right now you're wearing like a Nike soft polo. Why do you look like you work at a dealership? I've been.

1:25:34 Saying I have a red one in the exact same way. Me too, by the way. Yeah, look like he's trying to sell me like KV. I've been trying to convince KV for three years to leave his jobs and sell pickup trucks. I mean. By the way, you would put me in a pickup truck, dude, I would walk in. I would walk in like, I don't know. And he'd be like it's going to it's going to change your life and you're going to walk away. Good. You're going to you're going to love it, dude. I would walk away. Your shitty house would look like a mansion. If you sound like a drug I'm telling you could sell me a truck and a Harley at the same time bro. Dude, I love your house. Man, I'm just messing you out of you.

1:26:14 But dude. Oh yeah, by the way, you hit us. You. You. You. Yeah, dude. For no reason. Oh, you didn't even have to. I knew the joke was done. I know. I went deep. Yeah. What? Have four boys, bad kids. Have four boys, boy, and then show me your house. Dude, I don't know how you. I don't know how you breathe. By the way. Dude, I I like in and out. What are you talking about? He's not you. You've been here every other night. Dude, that's how I. Breathe. What? He's been here every other night. My. Kids. Are in bed this by 7. Dude, today, this morning, Shua's teacher canceled school and Rafael went to the guy. Levy, the chiropractor.

1:27:01 He's half an hour away. She leaves at 10:30. Her appointment's at 11. She's there for an hour. She goes to the supermarket on the way back. She gets home at one. I have Shua and Ariel at home. Oh my. I did so little work and so little productivity between the hours of 10:00 in the morning till 1:30 in the afternoon when she got home. I did absolutely nothing, dude. I didn't just no way because I I would get tired, but like I got to keep up. You know, that's so true. And I totally agree that tradition. I mean, that's the thing, like I love working from home, but I need, I need like 3 or 4 hours a day minimum of just like. Opportunity to learn and.

1:27:51 The shit all the time. And then what do I have? You have that dude, you're out of your house at 8:00, at 7:30 in the morning. It's pretty sweet that you're here right now. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Because you just want to be home. He's like, just leaves, just walks out the door. That's what I mean. The kids, I don't care. I'm just kidding. But like, he's out of his house at 7:30, comes back at 5:00, right? You're home. You're home every day on five. Trillions. There's a Coinbase update. Coinbase, dude, are you into crypto? You're crypto. You're crypto, bro. No, are you dude? I didn't realize. Yo, whoa, you're Bitcoin, dude. What do you want? Ethereum. What are you doing, bro? I'm not into. Crypto, but I do have some crypto. How much? Crypto, do you have you put a little money inside? No, and I tried cheese in there.

1:28:38 Diversifying. He's diverse. Folio. Do you have any black kids out of your phone talking about diversifying? I didn't realize we were sitting among like, the wealthy. Dude, Dei I. Didn't realize bro. I didn't realize you were rich. I, I It all goes to my kids and I. I know by the way I've done the math. You know that one kid? Is that make? It doesn't mean shit goes to my. One kid is a is like a Maserati. What's I'm saying? It's every it's like you could you could on the monthly payments of Maserati is like one kid. I'm OK with that. You know, like most about the first couple years, the kids life, the kids. And by the way, I'm OK with that. Obviously I came with it. I, I, I never trade a car for a child. I understand, but we live in a world that hates them. I know, I know we live in a world. I was actually talking about this. We when's the last time you saw a woman in a movie that was successful and confident in a mother? I know it's.

1:29:35 Was that something you saw that don't confident what and a? Mother as a mother in a healthy marriage, was that something you saw that in a it's always like a broken marriage. It's a broken marriage. A strong independent mother, a mother that chose a woman that chose not to have kids. So by a woman and the and the truth is, I was talking to a couple of my people recently about this on on the podcast also that movies and and entertainment shape culture. They shape it. Of course everyone loves them and then. Yeah, dude, it makes a difference. It's so true. You know what's going on. You're embarrassed to say that there's you know what's going on. Mothers in It's 100% if if if someone told me if someone did the amount of work that Gabby does having four kids and at their job, I'd be like you're a hero too.

1:30:25 So you're you're don't much remember. TV shows you don't remember, but you remember like the TV. Shows what do you do dude. How old are? You. It was all you. Don't remember, it was back in the 30s. Yeah, yeah, like. Every show was a married couple of kids, a happy family. Did you see Bill Maher's about Brady? Bunch, Yeah. Oh, no, Brady Bunch, they were. No, No 2, two different. Wow. Still family. Whatever. Still family. Yeah. Why? I ought to remember we joked about no, that's not Family Guy. Why IOTA? No, I know, but family. Guy. I think the guy get the shit out of. That, yeah. Pretty much. He's like, like like like she beats like a snarky comment. He's like you bitch.

1:31:14 It's so good because that's like, if it was real life, that's for sure would have happened. That's what. Would happen. That's terrible about it. It's so funny. Dude, it's crazy. Japan. That's what's going on in Japan. What? Do you mean the housekeeper is making snarky comment to the homeowner? Get in the. Ditch. Oh my God, what were you saying? Dude, the 50s went hard, man. Do you ever hear Shane Gillis is the best bit about George Washington I've ever heard. We all grew up knowing this shit.

1:31:55 We all knew like George Washington went hard, then Shane Gillis. It's about structuring a bit the way he's like don't make me love him. Don't make me love George Washington and then see some crazy shit like his teeth and then I have to my favorite vision, my favorite visual is and then then they they they shove you out like a hot party. You're blinking. You're blinking, son. Like what the?

1:32:35 That was the best one. I was such a good thing, the woman that was George Washington's house. He brings his guys on a. Boat in the dead of wind and he's like, come on here. We're going to kill him, by the way. I started thinking about that a lot. Oh. Man did. Actually see that? That's what actually. Happened. Yeah, things are crazy. I know angry like 6 three. No one wants any part of it. I feel like, you know, it's. Be president. I'm sorry. He wasn't the one that wrote you.

1:33:17 Thomas Jefferson. You know a lot of writers. He was. You don't hear. You don't hear about all the amazing dude. This guy went hard. He was. He was not a poet. Yeah, I, I, he was. I think he was. He was pretty. He went. He was jiggy with it. He did not. I don't think he did. He let his slaves go after I think. He let his slaves no. No Jefferson. Jefferson after in his will, I think, released all I think Washington. How? Convenient. No, no, no. I think they're free to work for someone else. No, but it was taught that wasn't rough.

1:33:58 Free to go until that was wrong. After I die. Everyone's like with dude you're overthinking. Don't overthink with Jews, it's no with. The Jew. With Jew the the. Say it I'm. Listening No the. We're not, we're in the one park, no ones the same. I think we're at two hours probably. No, we're like an hour and probably 25 minutes. Wow. That's it. That's not bad. Yeah, Yeah. The everyone's like, maybe I don't feel like the hardship of Jews, which is why I don't definitely don't, dude. Yeah. So. So I'm saying when, when, when you're going to feel it in 10 years. I'm saying, yeah, but yeah.

1:34:41 But like when people like make jokes about slave or like when people talk about slavery or like or try to not minimize, but try to contextualize slavery. Yeah, everyone had slavery. Yeah, it can. It feels diminishing to the to the suffering of your great grandfather. Your grandfather I get Yeah. So as a Jew I don't feel that that being said that context, you can laugh, joke so can you. But that being said when people talk about like JFK not J RFK, like the letters RFK wrote about Jews about like we can let them in but like you can't let them like move around the country. Everyone was anti-Semitic who said that? RFK. I know. FDRFDR yes, he has his letters. He hated Jews, dude, everyone hated Jews until like 1950. We don't fucking sucks.

1:35:29 We gave everyone another fucking reason excuse to hate us again. Well, there's no good, but we gave a little door a little bit. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. I just an excuse, just I was talking to my I know. The guy I. Learned with today. This morning we're talking about this. He's. One of the only people in the world that I could talk to you about this kind of stuff except for my fucking podcast apparently. And and and we're talking and I was like, dude, why is Israel set of making themselves look so fucking bad to everyone in the fucking world all the time? America hates Israel right now more than they. Have.

1:36:10 In my life, in my that was happening and this accelerated. That was already happening. No, it wasn't, dude. Yes, it was. Young people didn't fuck with this. We young people, yeah, you know what we could have done? We could have helped ourselves, dude, no, if young people were saying guess what? We're sick of 25 years of war and the same Middle East war. Israel didn't have to go and get America involved again when all of America was like, we don't want this and I have no appetite. We voted for Trump into not gave it. But the the question is the Gaza, the issue in Gaza would have happened in 10 years. I know years 30 Gaza eventually happened. Well, maybe. You know what else I think could also happen, which I think no, would have come by and said, yeah, you get Saudi Arabia. I'm going to rebuild the rebuild. Leave it, leave it alone right, so America looks great because of funding it.

1:37:03 Israel looks good because of letting it happen. UAE has the OR Dubai, whoever it is, trust the Arab world. You all go together, you get you say you guys all have a legitimate opportunity to have good structure from the ground up. Go ahead and do it. And for some reason instead of that, every single time that BB comes to the White House, we end up bombing another country. I'll say this, that looks bad. I agree BB is more more of a war monger than maybe Israel needs right now. That being said, I think there's a lot more heat that Israel gets simply because the the you could say Israel's about to make a lot of Israel was in the process and is maybe in the future going to continue making a lot of progress in trade agreements, right? Where a lot of with even with the UAE, with Saudi Arabia with they're working on that.

1:37:57 Yeah. So, so all these countries were normalizing was were constant. There was a constant normalizing. Well, the reason October 7th happened the Jordan, Jordan in Syria was reason the reason the reason people say part of the reason October 7 happened was because of the normalizing of trade relationships. And I ran. No, dude. Do you disagree that Iran is? Do you disagree that Iran has continued? No, I don't drop up the the issue. I don't disagree. No, No, I don't disagree. Do you agree? That. Israel had almost certainly either two options a known about October 7th before it happened or while it was happening and responded very late and B, I don't believe there's a chance in a million years.

1:38:50 They don't know where the hostages are. I think in a minute, I think both all of those things, both of those those things, both of those options, our generation is screwed. Both of those options, I think are are products of a world where we assume that there's perfect information everywhere. And it's almost scary to think that there is imperfect information. It's scary to think that Israel isn't smart enough to know where every hostage is exactly. It's scary. I don't think it's scary to think that there was a mishap to some 20. Yeah, it's scary to think that there's some 21 year old women. It's scary to think that it's not wait, wait. It's scary to think there's some, there's some. Wait.

1:39:33 It's scary to think there's some 21 year old at the desk, some 20 year old Intel operative at the desk who doesn't know. It's scared to think we don't know. And the same thing happened with 911, everyone said. I can't. Believe no one knew about It's scared to think that the world is chaos to a certain agreement. You can talk to him. I, I, I, I agree with you. I'm saying I don't know. I think like we all know everything and there's some guy at the top that knows everything and everyone else. It's an excellent argument. I do not disagree with you. I really don't. I really don't. The first all that we knew about it before. We, I think that, I think October 7th and two, we knew where the hostages are. Maybe not all of them, but we know where a bunch of them are and we could get them out. We have not.

1:40:14 We said the same thing of Pearl Harbor. We said that Pearl Harbor, they said I'm not. I let it happen because the boats were lined up together because Bora Bora knew, we knew that the planes were coming. But the truth is we knew the planes were coming. We didn't know because there were a lot of training operations and that never happened before. And the boats were lined up because we were more concerned about sabotage than than than a plane coming and bombing in a linear line. Sure. So that's I'm saying for sure, do not do not time out. Let's say, hypothetically, I concede to. To that complete. Point right, which I let's say I do, maybe I do I don't have, I don't have a very strong opinion one way or the other about it because I don't know anything about it. So I don't need so, but what, what I will say is that it did take like 7 hours to respond to the scene. It says Israel does not Israel does not take 7 hours to respond to anything.

1:41:06 When I, I will go to the airport and I will I will go to Ben Gurion airport. It's very, it seems, dude, I'll go to Ben Gurion Airport and someone leaves their backpack outside for 30 seconds too long and bomb squad is there and then the entire thing is shut down and. Then. They say, oh, they're they're like. This is the border of Gaza. No, but the worst was that they were giving excuses like there was an election going on. We were sidetracked. Go fuck yourself, yeah? Like he said here for here's go fuck Yeah, exactly. Here's here's what I believe. I it seems pretty wild. It's. Amazing. I could be wrong. I'm totally OK with being wrong. I could be wrong. I, I, I would, I, I have no problem being wrong.

1:41:49 I think that BBBB is causing issues to avoid to to avoid to avoid the the day of reckoning that he has to face inevitably sure he already had a had a day of reckoning to face prior to I'm not I'm not I started. I'm not an Uber fan of Uber. I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just I'm just making no, I'm not trying to fight with you or argue with you. My point is that you could fight an argument. I know, but I'm not trying to because I think that all this is in the conversation and the good like I what was best for Israel that that. But that does not mean that you don't get to say when you think they're doing something stupid that you can't say that you think they're doing something. I I started.

1:42:31 I think, I think, I think Phoebe is not the right shit. I think Phoebe is not the right leader for today. What we need. Yeah. And the same thing can be said about Winston Churchill. Yes, there's a bad thing. There's a lot of people who are good for church, what Family Guy. There's a lot of people are good for a certain period of time or yes, I, I, I thought for a while that BB is a little just he's just a little too much for, for what Israel may need when it comes to the subtlety of diplomacy. Diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy, yeah, and trade and all that stuff. But yeah, it's not just politics, by the way. I think it's really interesting. I was talking also to someone else recently about this, where I think that because there's been a systemic breakdown in trust in authority and institutions, there's been a breakdown in the trust that young people have not wanted to get involved in those institutions, right?

1:43:28 So like say, Hollywood for example. Hollywood's run by old people. They do the same shit year to year. We took the the swing off the tug. It was just to like curl the experiment. Dude. Hollywood to get kids does not stop. That's not making the same shit because the same people have been running the company for twenty, 30-40 years. News hasn't changed. The same corporations have been the same people for the same 203040 years.

1:44:12 Politics hasn't changed. I think that for, well, every but even education, young people are turning away from college for the first time in 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. I know, dude, it's going to be great. But, you know, it's amazing. But it took so long. Someone was like, do you want to, do you want to pay into Florida? What's that for the program where you're paying now and then have it like exponentially cheaper for your kid if you start paying now Prepaid. Yeah. I'm like, dude, of course you think in 20, you think in 20 years college is going to be a thing. I had that for Nathan. I cashed it out. Man, yeah, you're like, what is this? You're like, well, this was a stupid idea. Like, I can't believe I did this for three years. But I think the point is.

1:44:53 That was going for so long. Yeah, I think that there's so many old people. Interrupted you? Yeah. Well, so I think there's so many young people that are so disenfranchised with the world today that we don't want to step up to the limelight in the in what's been historically the regular areas. Instead, people are trying to make their own things. What, what, what, what worlds are the young are the young people in? They're in podcasting, they're in AI, they're in technology. They're in worlds that are not typically considered old school. They're not in politics, they're not in film, they're not in education, they're not in universities, they're not in research.

1:45:35 They're not in like, I think a lot of people are so disenfranchised with the way that the old school has run things that they've kind of, they, they've given up pursuing it. And instead of pursuing it, they just let them keep it and they try to do their own thing separately. And I have no problem with that. Yeah, it could be a good thing, but it takes time for the world to switch over. For example, I just read on Twitter like Variety had a top 100 meaningful, like impactful podcasts, shows Joe Rogan didn't make the top 100. No, that was. So I know. Does that, does that show you how huge of how huge of a chasm there is between the mainstream, quote UN quote, corporate mainstream media and what people actually listen to?

1:46:23 And there's no way to get recognized in that kind of world and be in that kind of world at the same time. You should have say that point for a podcast like 10 minutes into it instead of, yeah, dude, I'm going to say it again, dude. It's a very, very good point. I think that chasm is going to continue. Yeah. And then young people and, and then and that's like, I'd say, for example, cable television versus streaming, right? Cable television is just going away. I think a lot of these methods that that are old school, that no one's adopting, that no one has even like the effort or the energy or like the will to fight late nights over. Yeah. They're like, you know, I'm not going to fight to try to get on this late, late, late night show. Shit.

1:47:05 This sucks. I'm just going to do my own podcast and you know what? It works so well that all the late night shows aren't making any money anymore. Here's the question I have because it's to me originally. And even still, although it's a little less I'm so I'm so excited when I see podcasting and like, because the way you used to learn something, if it's good or bad, but it's at least at least it's authentic. The way, dude, bottom shelf, the way you used to, the way your mom's bottom shelf, dude. Yeah. The way you used to learn something was through like, your older sibling or your community or area. And now with podcasts, with all this stuff, you. I remember when, like, I started seeing like, I learned almost certainly more from, like, free information than I did from school because I was homeschooled and the only school I ever saw was really law school. Yeah.

1:48:03 Like in an authentic manner and so like learning from the world. Into law school. I do like Kim Credit Action. I just yeah, you're making that shit up, dude. So, like, the only schooling I ran was law school like that barely. I mean, taught me obviously stuff, but like, nothing about like, what makes me a person. Yeah. And it's crazy how like, but now that's my English degree was really useful to me. Yeah. It taught me how to be a person. Yeah, and like that was the only thing you taught me. But yeah, I didn't, I didn't know you had an English too. Yeah. What kind? Yeah, yeah. English Slit Foster, Shakespeare, that stuff. Dude, fuck that shit. I didn't read any of that shit. Yeah, dude, I, I did all, I did all these creative writing. I did creative writing.

1:48:48 I think I did 2 creative writing things in my I got started creative writing and the only major there was was either rhetoric or creative writing. And I didn't want to do rhetoric. I didn't even let the men watch. Because there's an H after the R. Yeah, exactly, dude. Yeah. What's your creative right? What? A lot of poetry, dude. Poetry. Poetry. It's ironic. I thought you would really like, like Chaucer stuff. You know what I learned Chaucer. I love Shakespeare. I didn't love Old English. I love Beowulf. That is all English. I know. That was the only one that I liked. I loved Beowulf. There's something about it that was so funny, that was so like the. Big roasters. I read violence ago.

1:49:28 He was big on that. He would always no. Dude, you know who I like? Dude, the little engine that cut the little pill. I just need a pill. Dude, when I when I saw on screen, I had a teacher that used to show me a Shakespeare scene with three different actors, Dude, that's that was him. I know dude, there's two different. Actors, I was. Listening. And each of the actors would play the role completely differently. And that's why I loved it. I was like, when you have the ability to take a script and translate it, if I tell you, Pacey gasps, right?

1:50:11 You gasp out of enthusiasm. You gasp out of angst. Or. You gasp seriously out of surprise. But the point is that a lot of what screen writing is a lot of what acting and screen writing is, is the more specific you are as a screenwriter, the the the worse the actor could afford to be. Yes, yeah, absolutely. Because if you're a really good screenwriter, you don't even leave that direction. Like apparently the office trees have great screen. Yes, apparently the office was, was was shot like that or like the worst actor where is written where everything was written. Camera zooms into Jim's face because he clearly feels uncomfortable responding. To the question.

1:50:52 And like first actors. But it was amazing. By the way, the big you know, you know, by the way. And everyone says, Oh, well, comedy, it's hard to do it that way. The big, you know, everyone, you don't think about the big my favorite movie of all time. OK Do you know that every single, you know, every single word to the word, they were asked like, did you ad Lib? Because they all feel so natural. It sounds natural. It's amazing. Every word was written. And they and they emphasized that you do it that way. Yeah. And they did. There was not one word of that that wasn't written. They're also directors, for example. No, that. No. But then kind of Doug Allen. Yeah, Doug Allen talks about there's an answer where he goes I want one take where it's because Doug Allen wrote the show Entourage, and he was the writer and the creator.

1:51:36 And so a lot of times you'd be like, I want one take my way. And then you could do however many takes you want, as many different ways as you want. But I want to just see my my script come to life and then if yours is better. I'll put yours in. Yeah, because if you're, you know, if you have a better idea and your and your and your interpretation of the scene is better, then I'll definitely go for it. And but like he'll take 4-5 and like, and that's that's an interesting thing because a lot of times people say fire the next day, Dude, I was ready to defend a final like he's he's actually cooking with this point. I love creativity. I love creating funny content. But then you came out with a really funny comment, dude, fire the next day.

1:52:19 And that was good. Dude. Are you still writing? What are you still writing? I'm not. I don't do a good writer. No. You want to do stand up writing, dude, Stand up. Yeah. I don't know that I'm. I don't know. I thought you meant free creative writing. I with stand up. I have a great bit I'm trying to work through now. Let's hear it was. Oh, don't do it in. Kernel open. Mic about how like the government is so like we control Oh, you're ready to start the government. This kid got an ass dude. Like we think about it every part of like the road, every part of government. It starts with like broadly speaking. Then you talk about the road, like do you understand how many Rd. rules there are? Like you, there's like you can't, you can't like left turn, like dotted line, there's straight line. And then out of nowhere, out of nowhere, we just created the, the roundabout.

1:53:17 Just like just merge A4 lane roundabout, just merge and just like just pray to God it works and it's like. Perfected like a motherfucker. Good, good premise. Good premise, dude. But like, it's such a crazy concept on the road. We're just like everyone train in the circle and just go the eggs that you want. Like, I don't know. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I like the I like the bit also about being I think someone could do a really good job with with forget, with forgetting what it's like to be in the car versus being a pedestrian. You're like, you're a pedestrian. You're always pissed off at the view on the cars. When you're in the gum, you immediately forget. Fuck you asshole, already walking on the street. You're like, you're like, dude, I have to be turning. It's my light.

1:54:03 I'm walking like that's very good. A little piece. Someone spit on my windshield one time. Dude, I was in I I'll tell you exactly where I was. I was on 100th and Columbus. I was making the right turn to head South on the Upper West Side. I, I was either living or visiting. I lived in an apartment building 97th in Columbus, OK and I made the less than 100th and it was the people's light. Like you know what I get is The Walking light. Seasons, right? Not seasons. Whole Foods, the Whole Foods, the Whole Foods. Next 90. 4th Alright.

1:54:44 No, the Whole Foods. Yeah, Whole Foods next to your moms house. And and so it had like the people crossing sign with the sign with the top sign. And this guy was crossing and I was inching forward while he was walking and he felt the guy that I guess inched forward into his personal space and took creative liberties of spitting on my windshield and. Telling me to go. Fuck myself and I was like, well, I could just spray that right off. But also he was so dude, I think cities are bad for people. Also, I wanted to say this since I texted you earlier today about the podcast.

1:55:26 Dude, the rest of New York has to be a different state than the suburbs. What do you mean? Like I think the boroughs have to be 1 state and I think that anything north of like Rockland has to be its own state. And I bet that New York would be such a better place to live like the rest of New York. NY bro, all here is upstate New York and the city. That's it in Brooklyn. Think about how. Different OK upstate New York isn't here. I'm not from from from that crazy upstate New York is Rockland. You're. From. Binghamton, Buffalo here. Binghamton, Buffalo, Rochester, Finger Lakes. Jack Rondex. Those. People do not. Those are all. Part of New York. Those people do not all belong to the same political decision making as the 17 year olds in Manhattan or the 23 year olds in. Manhattan.

1:56:15 But The thing is, the population of Manhattan equals the population. Yeah, of all those things, it exceeds it. That's the point. And those people do not have, I think that city, how many people live in New York City? That's wild. Millions. But by the way, it it moves, I mean, I grew up here. I I don't like that kind of movement. It's not natural to me, but. But I didn't grow up with it. But it's, you know. Oh, yeah. Dude, let's see another one. We'll call it the I don't know, the fish, the tequila bottle. Yeah, let's do it. That's the. I don't. I grew up here. I love it. I do love. But you. But you said you grew up really up to date all the summer, right? Yeah. Summers. Half the summer I was homeschooled, so half the summer I'd spent up seeing dude. Half a year. I mean, half the year. I want to.

1:56:56 I want to homeschool my kids, dude. 8.5 billion 8.5 billion people in New York City. That's crazy, I think over 350 languages spoken daily. Wait, can I 300 and? 50 million people are in the. USI want to homeschool my kids. That's really crazy. Did your parents have to do a lot of work to homeschool you? I so I loved my experience homeschooling. I think one of the advantages your mom. Did you have that one? Your mom's. He left a lot of stuff at your mom's. Yeah, it's a yayo. You have to eat the tequila with a with. The line with it. I do do. This guy chews on the line like an ape. Yeah. What are you saying?

1:57:37 Do you not need a line? Do you think I need? No, dude, I don't need a lime. It's good. Tequila. Tastes good. What He Hein, Hein. Dude, do you think? Do you think I could homeschool my kids? No. What do you think I could my kids? Well, let me do the shower quick. How'd you came again? It kills me he's just shooting the fry dude. You could definitely educate them. But dude, my kids don't like you. Can I tell you what I I don't want to. Think. The only I'll say the only tell me you think the prep my prep first of all, I think that was in the Hebrew school or yeshiva half the day and. There you go. Right.

1:58:17 I think that the classroom setting does not encourage what's going to be required to succeed. And even five years from now, totally. And I don't think that my kids will have, and I don't think my kid will benefit being a bottle of seltzer. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. I don't think my kid will benefit from being in a classroom with 12 other kids learning Mr. Grossman's. That's wow. OK, Doctor Brown. Doctor Brown. Whatever it is, right? I love you Doctor Brown. I, I I think that if I taught my kid literally how to listen to I know this sounds crazy, but I don't think it is right. David Draymond's Heavy Metal Disturbed No, I think that if you got your kid to listen to particular either master classes, podcasts, YouTube channels on, on on various topics that equal English, history, math, science, and then you encourage them to spend half their day pursuing something that that's creative on their own time in their own way. So can it.

1:59:30 So that's what I did. That's what we did. Yeah. And do you think that was, do you think that was awesome? I can't remember the name of the guy that came up with that, but that's a, it's a specific kind of home school. And it's, it's, it's like, so I used, we first tried a few programs at work and then my parents decided the clown layer, Compuhy clown layer. And then they use complex to supplement stuff that you can't like algebra, you can't teach yourself, But so you use like courses. There were two of those, environmental science and algebra. There's the only, there's the only courses that ever took. Everything else was what you said. So 300 hours of American history in like. My whole education, yeah. So you do it.

2:00:12 You and you prove it. You did it. But it's so much fun, too. Like, the way you teach it could be enjoyable. I mean, you could be like, make like a project explaining the Civil War. It's exactly what? So you would have to like create information, then your parents would have to like, positively reinforced. Yeah, of course. Like at one point I. How involved are your parents in your education? So my mom up until high school age, I started high school at 13. I finished at 16. Nice. It was great. We did you go at 1616? I went to to Community College courses for two years in the summer. So you got an associate at 16? At 16, I started at Wolfson campus.

2:00:53 So at 13, I started taking Community College courses at 16. Really. How old are you? I didn't know what I was, what I was supposed to do all day. I look over TV's and like fast. He's grabbing some shit out. No, I don't need to talk about it. Let's just about something fun, dude. I think I know, but I want to. I'm down to laugh too. I want to do something like. I don't want to. First of all, I don't want to spend $100,000 a kid. Yeah, See what you should do. The answer is second of all, I think I can teach my my kids are better in college classes for in the summer only. And then I would just do like classic. Were they hard?

2:01:34 No, no, no. The the the hardest one was bio, but it wasn't hard. It was bored. It just wasn't my topic. The at 16, I started college. At 20, I was done. Four years later, I was done. I started law school at 21. By 24, I was done in law school. It didn't seem it's awesome. It didn't seem like it was later that I like, it didn't seem unique to me, only ironically, because my sister did everything, like way more efficiently than me. So is she younger than you? Older. Older than you? Yeah. But she did like, she she was like older sister, dude. She was. That's the most underrated thing in the entire world.

2:02:15 She was done. She was done with her masters. She she was like in the family. She was a practicing psychologist by 21. No way. Yeah, like fully done working. Like she's kick ass. But your sister. Yeah, but. And she to this day. Where did she live? My beach. Really. Yeah, Good for her. Yeah, she's amazing. But. But I'm saying like, it didn't it wasn't like it wasn't that I was. It's so I I wasn't smart. I wasn't like, uniquely. You're smart, dude. No, but I wasn't uniquely smart. I was just like home. To your point, homeschooling encourages earlier. Earlier, like, like, there's no reason why you can't be finished with high school by 16.

2:02:57 Yeah, there's no reason. Yeah. And so I did it. So yeah. That's awesome. The one problem is no, this social media wasn't a problem. It wasn't a problem. Thank God my family did. My family wasn't. Like, it's so funny. It's just my family wasn't against for the people, for the whatever, whoever's listening, someone just left the room. Yeah, my family wasn't. Again, it was like there was a lot of people I knew who were homeschoolers when I was like 1011 years old, I went to homeschool conventions and there were a lot of Christian people that were keeping their kids home because they didn't want them. Like to hear the devil's word.

2:03:43 OK, gotcha. They're crazy people. So if you're not homeschooling to, like keep your kid away from bad influences, which is a problem because then you'll like jurymen how they act. Yeah, of course. And it will be crazy. Yeah, of course. If you're like encouraging your kids to like go out and like crush it and see the world and talk to people, then you have no problem. And especially if you guys, I don't want to do religious and you go to shul like I had I had tons of friends from synagogue from shul and it was it wasn't that's what I want to do, dude, everyone looking out of my mind and I'm like, it doesn't make any sense to send my kids to these places. It seems so obvious. And also I'm there was only like, my dude, I'm a teacher. I'm like my mom taught for 10 years.

2:04:24 No, she knew shit. Mom taught for 10 years. She's like, I don't want my kids in this. They don't know shit, dude. I don't want, I don't want my kids learning in these stupid schools and public school, private school, X amount of dollars a year. It doesn't matter. I I think I loved my upbringing and I gotta tell you that it is a real it's a real risk. Listen, you, you know me. It's it's so fortunately I'm, I'm very, I'm very comfortable and very well-rounded. I'm very comfortable with my own skin. But like, there's so many people. Ludicrous. Yeah, who are so uncomfortable or so sad and so of course, by the way, but that's why I think so. The Jewish education, yes, in my opinion, yes, Has that place where like, yeah, you send your kid. I think that between the fact of me probably and I think for one for for better, for worse, pushing my kids to pursue a passion, whether it be a sport or an art or an instrument or whatever that encouraged them to like have group activity and like to be with other human beings as well. Yeah.

2:05:29 And religious life and going to synagogue. Yeah. Yeah. And all that. That's I think by the time I started talking about the four classes of science, history, math and English, I'll be like, who gives a shit? It's not complicated. No, that's tough the most more. And listen, I remember thinking it at a certain point point like I remember thinking it was, it's really important that that I in social that I talked to people and socialized. I must been like 10 years old and I knew it and it was and I loved talking to people. I loved. It wasn't it wasn't a problem for me. Thank God it wasn't a problem, but I just so many people that it was a problem for there's there's people. If you're homeschooled and I know and you and you don't take it, it's on you. But I parent your parents can't do it for you. Like Oh, yeah, no, you can't.

2:06:16 You can't like shove your kid in front of you. You, you have to. That's a scary thought, by the way. It's a scary I'm that's a scary thought. That's one thing for my kid. You your kid has to just like you want to be able to do it for your kid. I know, I I know. Dude, turn that shit off. Is it, is it the CEO? What do you got? If ACEO can run a company, raise 3 kids and take a concert with a woman he's having a fan with, you've got time to go for a run. Dude. I think we're doing the podcast. Is that man? Yeah, it's good. I'm calling out here, man. Goodnight everyone. Love you all. Goodnight.