#121: Guy Ben-Hanan / Charlie Kirk, Moral Battles, Jewish Meditation & Thought

0:01 Welcome to another episode of a come together and we're live. No time, dude. Cheers. Pouring out for Charlie. Man oh man, how many places to go with this dude? Or a fan, Emma. Yeah, man. What the holy soul? No. So about Charlie Kirk. Yeah, what do you it? Doesn't make sense. People would say that he was shot and killed by Israel or Jew. He's like the biggest advocate, the biggest non Jewish advocate for Israel. Yeah.

0:44 Ever. Yeah, and so vocal and he has such far reach it would it makes more sense. On the youth generation too, like if Israel has been losing the PR war for the last three years on camp, you know on campuses and across like the youth groups, right. He's the only, he's literally the one of the only advocates that's going like from college campus to college campus preaching about Israel or talking about the positive influence of Israel and. People were saying that he's like shifting gears. Yeah, right. That's the claim. But there is still so much more to gain from him being 95%. Yeah. On your page. Then 5% critical which?

1:24 Is my insanity so dumb? But also also, we know that I found this kid. He what? They found the kid, apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, what do? You mean that they're going to stop being anti? They're going. To no well, of course not, but you think that but I mean, I'm sure the kids not a huge fan of Israel. You know they're doing the 22 year old I. Bet you they'll find some way to link it back. Netanyahu, pay this guy to shoot to shoot him or they said I didn't. I haven't looked into it so much but they said that there was like a Jewish guy who stopped. Or yeah, who claimed to be claimed to be the shooter first to like let the guy get away? Always a Jewish guy that FS things up because.

2:05 I don't know, man. You know what's funny? I was talking about college students about it, and they were like, how could the FBI make a mistake? How could the FBI students, college, high school students about this and they're like, how could the FBI make 2 mistakes on like who the guy is? Like wouldn't like the like witnesses like say who it was? And I'm like, I want to paint like a picture. Like I was like, if I'm 19 to 20 and Charlie Kirk is coming and I'm going with my friends and hanging out in the back, I'm probably pretty drunk. Like I'm probably pregaming that like event, you know, and yeah, probably. Weren't sober. Yeah, and also, like, you're in a crowd with thousands of people. He's speaking all of a sudden, like like it probably happened so fast.

2:47 You're not even looking. You're on your phone, you're texting, you're doing whatever you're with your friends, you're talking, you're most of the people probably weren't listening, especially from all the way back where like these camera footages are right? And then like and then something goes off and everyone starts panicking. Who the heck is going to be a reliable witness as to like who the right person? You know who the? People who had videos of this guy on the roof. Beforehand was crazy. But why and? Welcome you. Yeah, that should be legal. What should be illegal? It should be illegal to take a video of someone that is about to commit a crime commits the crime. But you don't submit that. Like you don't give that. You don't give that tip. Interesting. I don't know if I actually think it should be illegal. I don't know if I didn't think it all the way through like the with potential consequences on both ends. Say something a guy goes on a roof in the middle. Of A and like he's in a slight position dude. He's like, on his stomach like.

3:34 How do you not scream something like, hey, there's a guy on the roof? Yeah, I think that people are. I think that people are afraid to say things and draw attention to themselves. Do you? Because I saw a guy who was celebrating immediately after he got shot. Well, that was well, yeah, I saw that guy too. I think that one guy is an extreme case and I think that the average, like even myself, I was in, I was in it when I was in Israel for the year. I was on a bus and someone left a bag on the bus and I will racial stereotype because it was an Arab that like I'm like all Jewish bus, you know, left a bag and walked off and then came back like a second later realized I forgot the bag and got it right. But in that like you're scared 5 seconds that in between I was genuinely scared and I also did absolutely nothing right. Like I didn't go to the bus driver. I didn't like say, Hey, what's going on? I didn't like make a big deal, but like if you see like the notion of like see something, say something doesn't really exist because we're all in our heads about like not wanting to look like idiots, you know, around with everyone around us. Yeah, better to look like an idiot, that would be. Wrong.

4:43 I know dude, it's easy to say. Hope. I hope that God forbid I'm never in that situation. But I hope, I hope that if I am ever in that situation, I have the the knowledge or the insight to actually do something that OK, maybe I'll be embarrassed and like I'm wrong. But like on the off pants exactly right as Israel is way better about that culturally than we are. Why? Because they need to no. No, no, what like. About like, oh, because every, every, if you go, if you go to Ben Gurion Airport, you're by Tel Aviv. Every couple of days there's some kind of bomb scare, like someone saying something about something going on to the bomb team, the bomb squad sent there, and it's not because there's a bomb every couple of days talking. About the civilians or you talking about the people that work in the airports?

5:27 I'm talking about this, this the bombs, the the the security for the airport will identify, yeah, a bag and shut down portions of the airport until it's figured out on a very frequent basis. Yeah, right. And I and part of the reason why is I believe, I would imagine is because they, that part of that culture is to actually like be weary and say something. Like they're on high alert. They're on high alert all the time. That makes sense. We're not in high alert all the time because I you know, because we're freaking 5000 miles away from all our enemies. We're comfortable, but not as this is what I've been thinking about. Like does what? So what happens from here? Like, does it have to hit a point of like rock bottom before people start to get to change?

6:08 Like, what's what's it going to take in America Change? Yeah. Yeah, We just saw the lead the the chick gets stabbed on the bus. Anything and these are happening in such. Dude, I saw the. Forward amount of. You saw the video of her reaction to happening I. Don't watch these. Videos. I don't watch them either. I watch the video and then I yeah, what can you, I know you. Can you imagine? Just mind your own business and then all of a sudden you just realize, oh shit, like I'm just dead. You get stabbed in the jugular. And then you just like, but she's like, and then like, she's kind of like put her head between her arms and just like fell, you know, And I'm like, and like, she knew what was happening.

6:50 Oh, God, yeah, Dude, you know what? I'm the way that I hope that it's not going to happen, but what I fear is like, and this is completely baseless, just like what I feel like that with my post on like the like the emotional feel of society. I feel like it all this stuff feels like it's trying to invoke a reaction like this is happening to. It feels like this happening a lot, not exclusively, but very frequently to obviously conserve, You know, people are more on the quote UN quote conservative spectrum. What do you call that?

7:34 Religious or white, You know, which is so funny because white doesn't have to be conservative, but like, they're just like, white has just become. So people that are white have just become so antithetical to people on the left that they're almost grouped that way by default. Like, they're almost like pushed into that side. Yeah. They're villainized to the point where like, you just make that assumption because the the villainization's been going on for over a decade now. Right, You want to talk about racial profiling or stereotypes? Yeah. Dude, it's the exact opposite. It's like, oh, because you're white, you must be conservative. You must have some sort of. If you're white, in good shape and like you wear like regular clothes, you have to be, yeah, it's straight. You have to be conservative.

8:14 And you're like, what are you talking about? And you're pushing and you're pushing it. And but it's be they're pushed into that camp, right? Like a lot of the people probably wouldn't even put themselves in that camp unless they were pushed into or or forced into it by it's. True. Yeah, they are getting pushed into that camp. Guana peed in the pool. Is that what happened? No. Could have been dude, did you drop the deuce in your pool? You kidding me? What is that? That's. Pretty sure what's happening right now. What's happening dude? That can't be right, dude. Is that an iguana up there? They're for sure dropping a deuce in your pool. No, they're not, man.

8:57 Yeah, they are. Keep talking for a minute. So Fran right now is checking out his pool. He's just noticing right now that iguanas are peeing and pooping in his pool from a tree overhead. Look, dude, there's the tail right there. Oh my God. Hey, what the? Fuck. Hilarious. And the pool's out of the bathroom, you see he's hanging over the pool, dude. He doesn't care. Also, he's aiming for the pool. He's aiming for your pool. He could have easily gone to butt over and hit the grass. Jesus Christ, man, now I don't feel.

9:40 As bad when I peed in your pool? Wow, at least they didn't drop a deuce. Yeah, I do. Well, the truth is, I mean, I started watching the pool guy when he comes on Monday to clean him, like he just like, just takes like, what looks like bleach and just like, just like dumps a container in and just like mixes it and walks away. And I'm like, that's it. That's what you're doing. Yeah, that's it. He. He cleans the filter too. Is that David? Yeah. Still, everyone I know fired him except for me. Kitty fired him. No, Kitty's lazy. He didn't want to get another guy, but everyone else I know fired him. Well, to be fair, Pool doesn't look so bad besides for all the leaves. No, it looks great. It looks pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I. Was great with my new guy. So I so, yeah, so I feel I was telling my, I was actually talking to my students about this and I was saying that.

10:26 Wait, can I cut you off for a second? Sure, dude. That your students, they know Charlie Kirk? Like, do they see him? Do they listen? Some do, some just heard, heard his name and then heard he got killed. Really. Yeah. Yeah. Like go to a bunch of them asked me to like see the video. I'm like dude, I'm not showing a 15 year old the video of a young dad getting killed. Why? Like what are you talking about? I didn't even watch the video. I saw the. I saw the video from like Ariel. Yeah. And then I saw a screenshot of my. Someone sent me a screenshot of literally the. Shot. Yeah, in his neck. And I'm like, there's no way that he's surviving it didn't you said it nicked, I think. Was it you or maybe Pacey? Who? Said Nicked. But it was. And then I saw the screenshot.

11:07 I'm like, that's not a Nick. No, but it hit the IT didn't go through his neck. It like hit like the side. They looked like a hole. Yeah, and I didn't look that close, dude, and I didn't get any screenshots. Thank God, dude. Well. Yeah, you're saying? So their kids wanted to see it. I said no, but I also said that and this is actually I'm starting to kind of believe that and maybe I don't even know what I, I, I think I believe that this is the case that it almost feel like it's not just an attack. There's not just an attack on the West. There's a there's an attack on, on, on relationships and family values and life, essentially, right.

11:51 And like the the trans shooter the other week that shot up the. Christian And I think a step further, I think it's more it's it's an attack on on speech. You're you killed a guy because of what he said. He didn't go ahead. He might have spoken about being pro-life, right? But he never, he never went ahead and forced anyone to carry out a pregnancy, right? So he's just talking, he's. Never actor. He's not an actor. Right, he's talking about ideas that people disagree with. Yeah. And and, and hopefully making a difference, but still, it's from his, his ideas. And I think it, it's worthwhile mentioning. I saw this guy this this rabbi on on Fox News.

12:32 Did you see him? Well, in a second, I don't remember his name, but dude, it was such a good parallel. He's like Charlie Kirk was the Avramavino of of our time. No, it was very funny, a great line. He'd go. He'd go. Avramavino was the only. Everyone is throwing their kids into volcanoes, sacrificing their children in a time where idolatry is. Yeah, everywhere. And Avraham's the only one. Avraham's the only one who's talking. And, you know, And you know what he does? He says, come into my tent. Yeah, come in. Let's have a conversation. People leave the tent, and they're like, hey, you know what? That's a good discussion. Wow. Charlie Kirk is the guy who will set up shop with a literal tent. So. Hey, let's have a. Discussion about this and change people's minds that way. Yeah, God saves Avraham though.

13:18 Yeah, but. Yeah, You know, it's, it's heartbreaking. You know, I hope, I hope that this actually causes a step in the right direction because the response could have been like blind rage that like would have led to like catastrophe. Like what I, I showed actually both my students, my students, the movies, the Joker with the Batman with the Joker. Like he didn't want to like hurt the Batman. He wanted Batman to abandon his values. Like, that's what he wants. Like that's what his goal was. His goal was to get Batman to like, break his one rule and to like, believe that society and like what? Batman is this. This is a famous one with Dark Knight, Yeah, Dark Knight, Heath Ledger. And with the interrogation scene, when, when, when Joker tells Batman not that way, but the one that leads to that, right.

14:09 So where he has to either choose between Denton, whatever his name is, and, and the girl, and he's like, you're going to have to commit murder one way or the other because you're going to choose one life over the other. So now, Batman, you're a murderer, right? You know, and I'm going to force you to abandon you. I'm going to push you to the point that you abandon your values, right? You know, so good. I love that you show that. I did and then I showed them the scene from the new Spider Man, the one with the three like Tony with Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire and and the scene at the end where he's fighting Andrew Garfield's not to leave him out. Shut up. You're the man. Dude. You look remarkably young for a man in like your mid 40s.

14:50 Something like dude he was Spider Man like 25 years ago. No, not that long. Ago 15 years ago, 15 years ago. Spider Man's like Tobey Barr's like 65 dude, and he looks so your choir looked like a pedophile in the first Spider Man movies dude. Sorry man. Somehow looked 30 as spider man. Yeah, dude, like Peter Parker's like in high school hitting on like a 14 year old dude, what is going on? But. What was the scene that you showed? The scene that I showed them was at the end when the Green Goblin also wanted Tom Holland to kill him. Right? Yeah. And, and Tom Holland is going nuts. And, and what I loved about that scene in particular was that you can see in his body language and his face that he lost control. Like he's not being himself. You see his veins, I think.

15:33 Yeah, you think it. I think I remember. Between his eyes. Or his or his head. I remember, but I remember. He's got a blood streak, a couple of blood streaks just from like, fighting. Well, that was makeup. But yeah. His acting was the thing that brought out them. And then his face and you've seen his face and there's a moment in his face where you could see that he's deciding that he's going to do this. Like he's deciding he's going to kill Green Goblin, He's going to become a murderer, right? And like he's going to abandon that like neighborhood spider man value and like and he's puts his arm up and he's about to do and Tobey McGuire stops him. And Tobey Mcguire's face, like his eyes just say, like, what are you doing? Like, read, stop for you don't want to become this. And it feels like all this violence and all this cancelling and all this, like her is like trying to get people to abandon their values. And I feel that way even about the people that carry out the crimes, like like the trans shooter. If you intentional.

16:30 The trans shooter I read like his part of the video that was up was like his notebook and there's like a four page manifesto. If you actually read the manifesto, he sounds sick, lost, scared and sad. Like he doesn't sound like a hateful villain that wants like nothing more than to like like turn society on his head and like an evil plot to like be like a villain. Like he's like, I don't even know why I'm so angry. I don't even know how like what's going on. I know that like I'm getting poisons from like all around me and like, and it's just been building up for so long and like, I don't know, I and I just have to like go before I go. I have to like, I have, I have this anger. I have to like, I have to, I have to acknowledge this. I have to like, do something about it and like, dude, to live in that guy's head for the last X amount of years, you know, that he's probably experiencing this.

17:21 And I was also thinking, you know, do we have a legitimate loneliness epidemic? Do you ever listen to Scott Galloway talk about it or Diary of a CEO? Only only clips of that, but yeah, I love, I love both of them. Diary of a CEO. I listen to more, but I mean, I don't, I don't care if I get cancelled for this, but transgenderism was a mental illness up until whatever, like a couple of years ago. And then it became an acceptable thing and thing that was celebrated and encouraged. And now you see it all the time for people who are transgender aren't when they, when they transition, it doesn't make them happier. They're not. They're they're still missing that void. Yeah, so and then they have to, I guess, express it in some other way.

18:05 And then you have people talking about it like Charlie Kirk, and you just keep talking about it, saying, hey, this is an illness, like we have to. Get did you see the way he spoke to the student about it? There's a video clip. I was talking to a student and she was like, listen, I want you to be feel comfortable in your body and in your skin. He's like what I'm asking of you. He's like what you're about to do is about to be a decision that can't go, that you can't go back on. Right, give some context. Sorry, this trans student, apparently he's having debate with that with with this trans student. Is that a college campus? Yeah, or the on a college campus and. And she's talking to him and he asks her, do you mind if I hear your story? And she says, well, I haven't come to my body since like third grade and like I always knew like I and, and he's like, and were you like I forgot.

18:49 I don't want to like fill in the lines because I don't remember the exact, but the jet. But what he said at the end was the premise of what he was saying was you have a lot of different potential sources of why you feel this way. And the route that you're taking is going to have a permanent consequence where the other routes don't necessarily have to yet. So before you start making decisions that you can't go back from, start with decisions that you could go back with and that you could feel out and that you could say, hey, maybe this works, maybe it doesn't work. But like before, like and, you know, and like the example hypothetically could be like before you get a tattoo, put one of those kid ones on, you know, for a couple of days, see how you like it and then decide, oh, you'll want this for the rest of my life or not, you know, and like you can always change your mind if it with one of those like Kitty things and you get it now, you know, turn on, you know.

19:34 I haven't heard him say that, but that's so good. And. Maybe take medication and see how you feel These dude, Zach. A lot of them are medicated. My, my three-year old son, I can't tell how many times he's told me something about wearing nail Polish, being a girl. I'm like, you're a boy, dude. Like. And then he gets excited. I'm a boy. And I'm like, yeah. And you're strong and you're fast and you're mean and you're aggressive. And he's like, and he gets pumped up and he goes, ah, but let me climb on your neck. I'm like, yeah. But he also, but he also has an older sister and a mom that's having that, that, that he, that he's appealing to also, you know. But if I were to encourage him and. Say yeah, yeah, yeah, honey, Yeah. Something else? Are you, do you really feel that way?

20:16 You think I'm going to take it seriously as a three-year old kid, But obviously it could cause a lot of damage if I did. Yeah, I could either build this kid up and make him into the man that he's supposed to be, or I could really confuse the right. And part of what we say is a parent's job is that the kid doesn't know what they're experiencing. No, we don't know what we're experiencing most of our lives. And our brains are developed. You know, most of the time we have a hard enough time trying to come to terms with like what our lives are work and like, right, Balancing like life and being a good husband and being a dad and being present and being part of the community, doing whatever you're going to do and all your responsibilities. You're like, whoa, like how do I sort that? Imagine you're great. Like imagine being 5, like you can't work this stuff out, you know, like. You mean it's like you saw someone in your class that had nail Polish?

21:00 And like, yeah, that's cool. My. Sister wears nail Polish. Like, why can't I wear a nail Polish? Right? And then you have a conversation. Can I wear a nail Polish? Yeah, you. Have a conversation and you have a conversation. Seriously. I mean, I hear. Yeah. Yeah. So, dude, wait, do you want to? I want to. Yeah. I want to finish this at you up first. Yeah, I think that. So I think that this is an attempt to get to get to get people to betray themselves and their values. What's this like, the people doing these shootings and these horrific things? Yeah, I think. It's intentional, that guy. No, I don't. I don't. Think, I don't know, man. I I I'm not convinced that these people are thinking that guy in the bus is at the range. I I agree with you, but I don't I they're not thinking, I don't think.

21:48 And by the way, this is is happening again. This is where I think you and I might disagree on, like the board stuff. We're talking about me being on a board. I think a lot of this happens from top down. Yeah, this guy who stabbed the girl on the bus, he's been in prison 14 times. At a certain point you just say. That's the judge's fault, and the judge and. And who who the judge is at the top, who likes who, who puts the judges into power? I think it's people. People unfortunately do have influence when they're on the board or they're elected representatives. And like it or not, I think that that's. Well, yeah, Mike Benz also goes pretty deep into not all, not not to the level that it's like 1 to one ratio of like craziness, but what he what he what he pulls up a lot and you just check out his stuff.

22:39 I'll send some of the stuff to you. He's amazing. Is for example, the way that How does a college become a premier college? Premier Yeah. Public staff, yeah, OK. How do they do that? They generally get a lot of funding and with that funding and with those grants able to attract a lot of people that are doing research and people that are doing high quality research, because you have more, you have more opportunity, you pay them more and they end up and they end up attracting, you know, and then even if there isn't, for example, unlimited money, all you need is a couple of people to create this reputation of you guys being a great university for everyone to want to join, regardless of how much money you're actually allocated or making. Right. Meaning at a certain point, for example, students are willing to go into debt to go to MIT. How come they're not willing to go into debt to go to Binghamton hypothetically, right? You're like, well, because your return, you expect an MIT is going to be great greater you're having yeah, exposure to right. So all you have to do is get the first couple of people. So he goes, you know, Columbia, for example, they're journalism schools apparently top of the country, you know, like they get like X amount of proportion, proportionate funds from the government relative to the other colleges that are much higher. And so the potential influence that you have on your graduates that are journalists is going to be enormous because you're. Potential influence.

23:56 On the on that the government, that the college and the government in association with one another. Because the government is like. I'm funding it. $10 million, you better. Teach the whole the whole, the whole fight with Trump and Harvard is about the fact he's like, why are we paying for these kinds of studies and work to be done? The government, the taxpayers should not be paying for these kind of things. And the and the and the college has been saying, well, actually, the way we became Harvard is by you giving us this money, right. So, you know, you want and you know you and and that's you want, you know, the, you want all American institutions to collapse. You're going to really take Harvard away from everyone. You're going to take the Harvard like that everyone wants for and like for what?

24:36 For like this stupid DEA, you know, Dei thing like or yeah, Dei, yeah. You should take it away. Well, of course, but the point is that it's not a once there's an argument to be made, there's a lot of, there's a lot of pushback that could happen, right? Trump is cutting a lot of. Money. But it's a business and it's run like a business. Yeah, and it is. And I guess business can get grants. But my point is that it is top down too. Like what you're saying, Like there are there are political, there are political influences on the on, on on. You know, if you're going to try to be a judge in Wisconsin and you're applying and you went to Harvard or Columbia or NYU, there are, and then you went to a local Wisconsin college, who's getting the job to be the judge?

25:18 Right, because the diploma means more. From those places, right? But from those places you're also getting XY and Z influence and and associations, right? So the, so the, so the, so these judges that are that are letting these criminals go after 10111213 arrests, they're the ones that obviously have to answer to this, but it's still a systematic failure that could be acknowledged. You just need to answer. Yeah, the judge should answer today. A judge that lets a criminal go more than three times and then the guy commits a violent act. I mean, we have, you have a halacha like that. You have Torah like that. You have an ox that had that, that if your ox does XY and Z, if it damages, if it hurts, if it damages someone's property or hurts someone, and then you keep the ox and then it does it again and you keep the ox and it kills someone. You're responsible, dude.

26:03 Yeah. And that's an animal. Forget about a judge with a human being. Right. What a great There's some. No, it's a good comparison, but ultimately it's not. It doesn't end with the judge. It ends. It ends higher. Who's that? Katanji Brown Jackson. That was who's that on the Supreme Court? They recently added to the Supreme Court maybe a year or two ago. Yeah. And when they're added, they're grilled, right. And what do you think they grilled her on? What was the question? What is the question that conservatives ask? Conservatives asks Israel. No, What is a woman? Oh, really? Yeah, and they and they grilled her on it. What is and this is a smart person, obviously, but like it's like so fundamental, but like, and she slipped up and she can't answer.

26:52 She can't tell you what a woman is. And it's just like so telling that like, OK, you could be brilliant, but you could have it so. Twisted. Yeah, of course. You know why? Because knowledge and information is amoral. People are moral or not. Or I got, you know, so like you can have all this information, you could have all this knowledge and the way that you apply it could be the totally misconstrued, the wrong way, the totally immoral way, right? You know, And that's why I like humanities, like history is so subjective. Yeah, why do you think? Not to make this into a sheer, but I'm curious what your thoughts are and why. Torah is information, Allah is information, right? Jewish law. So why is it that we can say that we're moral? By the way, we just.

27:35 Following a law we don't following. We don't say that. We say that actually Torah is quote UN quote, some like I am some of it. It's it could either be an election for life or, or a poison, you know, and. And so what's the? And it's the, it's the way that you apply it, right? There was AI forgot who it was. And we could, we could like look it up. Or another time, Jamie, ask, ask you know anyone when you get around. Jamie to the budget. Dude, I need a budget first. I'm gonna get a budget all Adam, but what I'm actually thinking of doing actually Rocco told me that was your idea that to start task rabbiting or what's the work up work up work up work for my social media for the for the podcast to.

28:17 Do. Shorts, real clips, you know, like, get some traction. Yeah. And she's like, you could like. And yeah, whatever. Anyway, so information itself is amoral. Oh, yes. He had a story about this king of Israel that used that we say brought back idea, you know, laws that we forgot since the time that Moshe died. And he used that information to convince Binet Israel to or, or the people of Israel to build another golden calf in the actual baseline. Miktash. What? Yeah, that actually happened. What? Yeah, dude, get out of here and well, look it up. Look it up. What is it called? I have to look up the guy's name, but the point is that, like you're, the level of knowledge that you have has no association with whether or not you're a moral person or not. Yeah, there's no, I'm going to look this up right now because. OK, I'll find it.

29:11 I'll find it after I send it to you and. Then I'll so interesting I'll post. But then what is? Right. So the question is, what is it right rather? Saying this Shama, but like what a soul, right soul. So by the way, and you even have this from the beginning of the Torah where you have Avram Avinu, you have Avram Abraham and Malkit said it comes to him after the after the king, with the after the war with the 5 kings. He was like the first like World War at the time and Avram participated. All that a World War. Yeah, sure. Yeah, it was the entire. I mean, it was basically an alliance between the 10 greatest nations. The. 5 kings were the only kings in the world, you think? Well, no, but I think most of the world at that time, it was generally or most of their world in that time at least was generally located around the Middle East and Africa and and, and society was placed around geographic locations that could support life like the Nile River. So like people would flock to places that they can that that could support themselves and their families, right. So I'm sure that there weren't that many like different places for people to really like, you have scattered societies and nomads and stuff like that.

30:25 But like, as far as like cities go, there's, there's not, I mean, you'd have to have a place that's big enough for everybody to be able to kind of like live on that. Yeah, societies. So Abraham goes to war. So he goes to war and there's a guy that's Makita is his name. And Rashi, the most famous commentator says that he was really Shem Noah's son and Yeti Shiva, a seminary or school called the Shiva shame Weaver. And they they actually studied, you know, the original Torah, whatever, like some variation of Torah, right? And he and Avram had this face off and the measures talks about and the oral law talks about this face off that they have where they're both intimidated by each other because Makita deck is like this establishment that like, is the premise for like the divine word on earth, right? And Avram is like this new guy that's like this young guy that's running around trying to like spread this new philosophy and he's trying to work it out and he's debating like, you know, Charlie Kirking it and, and they finally come and they meet and they're both, you know, on one hand, you have one way 11 path, which is figuring it out, like looking forward into the future and trying to figure out where you're going to go and trying to use the word of God to identify how to explore and, and make the most of the future.

31:45 And then you have the institution that is deeply rooted in the past, that is there to support it, that's there to support the foundation of it, right? So you have these two. Two pillars, right? You have to. Yeah. Schools of thought, Exactly. Right flashing. And that's why you have like every society has like, you know, like these like elders that are like, you know, the foundations and the principles of like these societies. And they and they have the wisdom and the knowledge and they have the experience of we already seeing people behave like this and do this. And then you have the youth that are constantly pushing the boundaries and trying to adventure and figure out, is it OK to go here? And they say, no, why is it not OK? You know, how do you get there? You know, And there's always a tension between the two. And that's really, by the way, the tension between like, liberalism and conservatism is generally like. How far to push that?

32:30 Boundary exactly how far to push that boundary and conservatism is a very you know, is a very clear you know, Jordan Peterson loves to talk loves to talk about this. It's like you have a clear boundary with conservatism. You know, like Nazis, you know, like, like anyone. But you know, as soon as you're like whites and whites only. White. You know, and then you got a problem and like. That's true. But like with liberalism, like what you know, we have lines and they keep on getting pushed and the and, and it's not even that they shouldn't, these lines shouldn't get pushed, but we shouldn't give in every single time. Not every time. Not every boundary needs to be pushed and not every boundary should be pushed.

33:12 And that's when you have like people pulling you in. So I don't, I don't really know that there's a very long answer to get to the point that I don't know what is like objectively always going to be the right. Like there is no way to really know. It's always going to be the objectively right thing to do. You know, like I don't think there's always a there's, there's always a clear right choice. This is what the right thing to do is, and this is not. But at the very least I think you need some sort of like a rule book. For sure when that's. And maybe that's where I think the Liberals lack. They don't have that like rule book. It's all like. And the rule book kind of imploded when it became about peace and love. And then it's about you're not tolerant of our peace and love, so we're not tolerant of you.

34:00 That rule book kind of implodes, right? You know, like how you going to do that again? How you going to How you going to justify killing Charlie Kirk? In the name of peace and love, In the name of tolerance? Yeah. It's the same people that demand, what do you call it, sensitivities. Yeah. So the same people going ahead and executing. Yeah, yeah, and, and actually I, I, I heard this take and I've been thinking a lot about it too, along the same line of trying to get people to put to break their values. Is that Eric Weinstein was talking about October 7th. I. Don't know who that is. He's awesome. I'll tell you some stuff about him. There's two brothers, Brett and Eric Weinstein. Brett, a little bit more conspiratorial. They're podcasters. They're both.

34:43 Brett is an evolutionary biologist and Eric is a mathematician and a physicist that spent like a career on Wall Street and then like kind of got into academia and into like theoretical physics and all this crazy stuff. Yeah, they both very impressive, both brilliant people, both also, you know, Jew, you know, proud Jews. And. And one of the things that they were talking about, one of the things that he was saying was like, what do you think that Hamas is trying to accomplish? Right. Like the line that like they're trying to like destroy Israel. Maybe they want to, but for all like all practical purposes, it's not happening, right? Like Israel has the US backing it. They've got technology that's world's better.

35:24 Hamas is building like these rockets out of like, you know, right, like pipes on the floor and, and a shower head. And, you know, I'll try to like, shoot at Tel Aviv, like, great, you know, what are you? Going to do in like. Right so so what's your so what's your plan October 7th like what what what you have to you must have a game plan. OK, so his his theory and I and I think that. I'll tell you the answer. I don't care about his theory, but. I'll tell you the answer to his theory is to they they knew they're not going to win a physical war, so they could turn the entire world against Israel by evoking the most emotional reaction out of the Israelis. And just like that little kid, there's like a like a younger brother that pisses off the Big Brother until he beats the crap out of him and the parent come and goes, what the heck are you doing? You're like, you don't get he really pissed me off. You're like, yeah, but look what you're doing to him and you're bigger than him and you should know better. You know, that is.

36:10 I literally tell me that that exact conversation has not been happening around the globe for the last 2 1/2 years. Yeah, but there's a difference between murdering and raping someone than pummeling a kid. It's not. Of course, but but and. Imagine the kid, the little brother let's say. Just to use a fair comparison, little brother took a knife and chopped off a hand. So he didn't kill him, he just chopped off his left hand. And then you kill it. That's cause for For what? Not not destroying him. OK, right. Definitely beating the shit out of him. OK, right. So again and and then, but the point remains the same, which is there are now varying degrees of appropriate response and the chances are that you're going to overreact is relatively high, extremely high actually, right?

37:04 The point is all the same. What if What if that same little kid says I'm making it my life's mission to kill you and. You'll be like, I can't take you. I don't take you seriously because you're a stupid little kid and I could just step on you every single time that you do anything. Growing the kid grows. The kids not growing. Come on dude. Dude, we control Israel controls, you know, the food, power, water source. Like, I don't think I don't think that Hamas or anyone in Gaza ever seriously had I'm. Thinking more like that ideological kid, some ideological kid is growing. Even so, there's only there's a limit to how far ideology gets you in that kind of world. It's here. It's an where is it? OK, Well, that's another conversation. And the way that it's going to manifest is going to be very different, right? Because the way that it's manifesting in America is a much more slow, slow burn, slow trickle where you start to have institutions not not responding to crime and then you start to have universities supporting it.

37:56 And then you start to have educate, but we're not having but but the skill that's happening and then you start implementing. That war quote UN quote needs to. Happen that war needs to. Right. It needs to transition from that war of aggression and missiles to probably a different type. Is that what you're saying? No, that's it's so interesting. No, that's not what I'm saying. That's a great point, though. What I'm saying was that's a legitimate war because but that is happening over the like the implementation. I, I, the, the, you got the judges, the universities, the schools, the, the, the political system, whatever it is, then you, the, then you have even the like, even the freaking fed, I mean like even just our national deficit, like the people like the fact that anyone refuses to just say like it's not a, it's not a rational conversation to say we have to stop spending.

38:47 It's an emotional conversation because there is no reason to assume that we could just keep on spending the way we are. No one could ever say This is why it's a good idea. That does sound rational. You said it's emotional. No, it's an emotional choice to keep on, to keep on spending the deficit the way that we are. Oh, because it's irrational. It's irrational to do that, Yeah. It's irrational to to behave the way that we're acting in almost every capacity, right? And then you get 10 million illegal immigrants moving to our country and then crime. And then if and when hypothetically crime war to spike or enough incidents were to happen to cause the nation to start to attack itself, that's an attack, that's a war, right? Like this is like you're seeing a 50 year strategy being implemented all at one time, hypothetically.

39:32 So I want to bring this back to being on a board. Yeah. So you don't see the value of like being in a position where you're like, hey, maybe we should instead focus on some other things right now, Like why are we not? Why are we spending? So why are we getting involved in so many things? Why are we like allowing so much corruption to happen? You don't think that there's a value in being in in? I know, but I don't. Think that, yeah. I don't think that having a board changes anything, really. Yeah. The same way that I don't think having a government to change anything either. Literally, you know, the last, the last 15 years you had, you're coming back and forth, Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican. And it's the same consequences. Because there's so many bad people going into it. Potentially for sure, by the way.

40:14 And then the good, the good ones like Charlie Kirk and MLK, you just get shot down. Can't get too good, dude. Shit dude, that, that's so dark my God, you're right. I know, dude. Wow. Yeah, it's a shame. They just get it's like a movie. That's why you got to do podcasts and hide out man the. Movie that is so crazy. Dude, everything has been feeling like a movie, dude. Joe Rogan keeps saying a little like, sprinkle it in that we're in a simulation and I don't understand it, but slow, like at first I didn't understand. It makes so much sense to me. Slowly, the more I keep hearing it, I'm like, whoa, that's weird. But there's not even any. It's so funny because all these ideas have spent. I've been thinking about this also. We this is so we compartmentalize so much in our lives.

41:00 Like we have our like religious beliefs. You know that there's God and there's Malachian or angels, whatever. And you have like whatever. And then there's like UFOs and aliens and like, that's something else. And like, but like the stories and the evidence and like the things that are happening, like the simulation theory, like why is simulation so different than saying God? Like why is like, right? Like, why is like saying that any different than saying there's a great creator that programmed into our system, into our world universe, which has laws and rules and then can be periodically broken or these chance experiences that are like lucky fortunes seem to happen that are like God's intervention into things, you know, like that's that. Why is that that that sounds like religion and simulation at the same time, you know, or alien.

41:44 I don't know if I was talking to you about this, but like aliens in the field. And like every story in Navi, every story in the prophets was like these women that are barren. And then all of a sudden like they're in a field praying, but to God by themselves. And then an Angel from God comes down, tells them they're going to have a baby. And then nine months later they give birth and you're like, dude, that's not like we're OK. We're like we're saying different words, but like the concepts are exactly the same ideas. Wow. Yeah, Joe Rogan is willing to buy that aliens drop down into a field and like. Knock someone up. Knock someone up? Yeah. But he's not willing to make that same jump for like an Angel meeting someone or a Navi, right? And why is that right? But by the way, because of the religious association probably, or dogma or so, yeah. You know, like you don't want to like, oh, I believe in like the Bible, you know, because that that's there's such a strong push back to that there's.

42:35 Connotation to it. It's an emotional you're a religious. Person. Yeah, that makes you. Stupid, right? Right. Yeah. You're religious. Forget about it, man. Now it's like, oh, you're into conspiracies. Oh, so you're open minded. You're like, you might have some faith in you. Yeah. And you know what's interesting? People. The reason why I think people take advantage of that is because just like with conspiracies and just like with God, especially if you're particularly creationist as in like you, like if you particularly believe that like we don't have free will and God is just making everything happen, you know, then like nothing is off the table for how crazy anything could get right? Like generally speaking, the reason why, like if you say like, for example, like this was a great example. Apparently there's an idea that the Hafez Kai maybe said, someone said a couple 100 years ago, like seventeen 1800s, that the final wars of before Mashiach, before they're dead, before the redemption, before whatever the anointed one comes Messiah Messiah is is going to be 12 minutes long. That's the final war and everyone's like, we don't know what that means.

43:40 Right, it doesn't make sense. Doesn't make any sense. And then like that and then that woman that was going around on the podcast circuit I forgot wrote this book about like nuclear war. Looks like it's 6 minutes from Russia or China to America with a nuke. So if you're going to talk, so 300 years ago, right, we're talking about a concept that at the time felt creationist, right? Like, oh, what does that mean? So God's going to come and like blow up the war in 12 in 12 minutes, Like, I don't know. But then also, Fast forward 200 years and we have nuclear technology or we have, you know, we have nukes and bombs and ballistic missiles that literally could end the world in 12 minutes, you know, and you're like, oh, man, like. It's like Izzy likes to say the line of like, we're going to travel back on the on the wings of eagles. Yeah.

44:25 It's like does that. Not travel back where? Oh, an airplane that looked like an airplane. Yeah, yeah. Yemenis all thought that Operation Magic Carpet, everyone thought that an airplane was. This happened all over the Middle East, in Africa, in particularly poor countries when they had all these big Aleas in the last like 50-60, seventy years. A lot of these third world, these third world countries legitimately thought that this was like Messiah. Well, maybe it was a smart. Yeah, they got BB instead. You thought you got so funny. Tell me about this meditation, dude. This not meditation.

45:07 This you're. Going to get it was, I guess it was a meditate, it was a retreat. A retreat, That's the one I was looking for. Thank you. Retreat, I went on. Yeah, tell me about it. Maybe I could give you some back story first. Yeah, I would love some. I've never heard of him but Izzy for my birthday said I would enjoy I would enjoy this retreat. So he bought me this tickets to this thing months ago and I have never heard of him. And even after she bought it I never looked into it. So I was going in with no, I don't even know what the guy looked like. What did it look? Like small I see this old Australian. Australian. Australian nice, mid 50s nice. Who is his back story is like he's a Balchuva grew up in was it?

45:54 Yeah, he grew up in Australia, wanted to get into film. Cool. And then basically he got into H but was like 24 years old and it was already like trying to make movies. So he's really into like production, being professional, having good music. He's really into that. Anyway, so Ravmar texted me that he was spending a Shabbos at at like Ravmar's community. And Ravmar said, Do you want to come? Oh, that's how you ended up there. You were there for the weekend. I was there for. And then you can't. And you went Sunday. And then I went on his. Retreat. He had a lot of exposure to this dude. Yeah, so I'm like hearing him speak Friday night and then I'm watching, and then and then how? Do you? How do you speak? Very well, very entertaining.

46:35 He's like an entertaining, got it. He's an entertainer. Like he walks into acting, screen writing, directing. Gotcha. Whatever he went, he they got him into H because they said if we could get, if we could get you a meeting with Steven Spielberg's if you stay here for 2 two weeks. No way. And I don't remember what he said, like if they got him the meeting, but I think that convinced him to stay and then he just wanted to stay longer. Yeah, so that checks out. Dude, this guy was so anyways, so that that was my first exposure. Tim was with Shabbos and then on Sunday was a full day retreat from 9:00 AM to 10:00 PM. And at this retreat you go in and you're expecting like, OK, is this going to be like a weird like breath work type of situation?

47:21 I'm just going to listen to this guy and get like into a trance or something. But really he keeps it light and entertaining. He, he knows that people are there and aren't comfortable. So he's, like, cracking jokes all the time, but then he guides you through these meditations that are rooted in, let's say, Kabbalah or Hasidic sources. Yeah. You know, these were people who are what? What would you say 150 years ago? There were like more. More. Yeah, when was the Benish Chai, for example? Because he was like quoting Benish Chai Baal Shemtov. Yeah, more than 115, yeah, 150 years ago. But I mean, I think the, I think the, I think the sources for meditation goes even further back into that. Oh, yeah, probably. But like, these are like sources he's bringing down. He's saying, like these people would go out to the field and what they're writing is like, they could stay there for three hours. Yeah.

48:05 So 150 years ago, they could stay there for three hours. Maybe today we could stay there for a couple minutes. Yeah, to get into that state for a couple minutes. So that's like his goal, right? This whole day his goal is to get you to like a fraction of what they claim to have felt or have gone through. OK, and I think he does a pretty good job of did you making you feel like you got it. You got a feeling of that meditative state of the light that they're able to see cool. And it's very. How did how did he get you into that state? Oh man, that's going to be a hard part. That's going to be a hard thing to to. Articulate, articulate. Well, we'll work on it together. I think you could do it dude. He'll say, for example, what is like, what is focus? Right.

48:48 What state of mind are you in when you come in? Like are you? Skeptical. You're just going in. Oh me personally, I was open minded and skeptical. Yeah, a little bit like, let's see what this guy's got to say. Yeah, OK. And, you know, like this is not stuff that is completely foreign to me. Like I've read like my first year in Israel, I would read things Hasidic Masters or Ari Kaplan stuff. Yeah. And a reader be like, OK, I don't understand this, but it's kind of entertaining for the 1st 50 pages. And then you're like, OK, it's not, not for me. Like it doesn't make sense, but I know that it, it exists and like, cool, right? So, So what is it? He's going to, he's going to tell you about the, the, the name of Hashem, right? Yud and K and Viv K. Yud, K, Viv K. The name of God.

49:29 Right. And then you tell you about the name, what it represents, and then kind of like meditating on on that name and the Rep. Thinking about. So for example, I think that name should go inside. Yeah, OK, one second I'm saying what I was going to say we're live and what I was going to say is that name of God you'd K Vubke, you'd hey Vubhey or Yahwah in English is generally associated because the the way that in Judaism at least well to explain it. You see the name? Yeah. I don't think you're supposed to pronounce it in English. That's why you're not supposed to say the J witnesses. Oh, interesting. I don't know. Fine.

50:10 I'm not a fascist man anyway, it's the different names of God that we had are associated with different attributes or types of relationship that we're having with him. So for example, you know when when personality trait would be like the the strict or upset father at the way that you behave as opposed to the kind mother that would like comfort you or help you in times of need. So generally speaking, that name is associated with kindness. Can I bet? What did he tell you to do about it? Was it? OK, do you want me to really get into the meditation thing?

50:51 Sure. OK, stop me if I'm like rambling too much. But so we know the concept that there is this infinite light, this aura and soph, that God is an infinite light and infinite goodness, right? So, and our neshama is our soul is a piece of that light. Part of big cosmic light, right? So we're supposed to feel our soul, right? And we're supposed to feel that way. So his meditation is guiding you on how to get there the day or the goal of this is to help you try to feel something, to feel connected to some sort of inner light. And he'll say and he'll so he'll teach you like there are focus techniques, right?

51:33 And a focus technique would be like meditating on, on the word and the association with that word. So he started by saying, OK, there's a plastic cup. Let's see how long you could focus on a plastic cup before there's another thought that pops into your head. So everyone close your eyes, look at this plastic cup, get a good look in it, close your eyes and then raise your hand once you stop focusing on plastic cup. So on averages like 6 seconds, people, people would have a, a pop in, right. So say now so we're going to go through this thing and teach us about about focus and about dos and dimion. But I'm not going to get into that makes it relatable. He says, OK, now that you've you've got this skill or now that you understand the background, I want you to focus on five things that have to do with like let's say self respect.

52:23 So he gave us notebooks. Write down 5 things that come into mind when you think self respect. What do you think about what I'm trying to think about? What I even think of? So he's giving you cleanliness like. Eloquence education, self respect, cleanliness, fitness education, mental health, creativity, self respect and. Pretty quick. So he gave us like a minute on one, then a minute on 2, and then a minute on three, then on 400, on five. Think about it. Get into the zone, right? He's telling you. So you write these things out on a paper. And so now I want you to close your eyes and when you have a thought and think about, think about the first thing. And when you have the thought that's coming into your head, just transition it into the second thing that you think that you associate self respect with.

53:18 So give me an example. So first. So you said creativity, right? Let's say creativity and working out or being fit. So whatever images come into your head when you're thinking creativity, think about, close your eyes and think about that. Get into the zone of creativity. What do you associate that with? And then when the moment where you start to feel like I'm veering off of creativity, then shift into shift into working out and think about those things. And stay in that zone where you're focusing on these things. And meanwhile you're in your DOS is on self respect, right, OK, your. Consciousness. Your yes, your consciousness. That is your intentionality. So his thing is higher consciousness. Yeah, that's the whole goal of this thing. So your dais is on self respect. Your consciousness is on self respect.

54:00 And your dimion, which is your imagination, is this encompassing circle around your dais. And the the the items inside of dimion are those are those moments fascinating is creativity. And so we did an exercise and he and he said, OK, now using that quote UN quote strategy, let's just call it a strategy, OK. But this is all written. Strategy. This is all written out in spawn that he's quoting first and then he'll teach you about the thing, right? So you're like. Whoa, was talking. About this. Yeah, dude. And then and then. He goes, OK, now I want you to close your eyes and let's see how long you can focus on self respect, right? And you're comparing that to just 30 minutes ago where you couldn't focus for six seconds on a cup. Now you're focusing on this much larger thing, which is self respect.

54:47 And you're meditating on that. And you know how long people ask it for? 7 minutes, wow. 7 minutes before the hand started going up. Wow, now. Now he's playing music. Yeah, of course he's guiding. You, he's talking to you, right? And that's an assist, that's a layup, right? But imagine, imagine doing this for a long time. Yeah, right. Without technology, without being in a forest, without ever, ever seen, seen ATV or a screen and put yourself back 200 years. Yeah, Dude, you think that they couldn't focus for two hours? For sure dude, seen the field in the field. Just just their thoughts. They've never had these distractions before in their life. Yeah, I'd love it. Come on, I'd like you.

55:28 Do you think you'd enjoy that? I don't know. I definitely enjoyed this. Yeah, this was. This was 10. This was 9:00 AM to 10:00 PM. No, that's your life. I enjoyed those moments, but he's like the, I don't know if you've heard this before, it's very common to hear that back then they were able to focus on on their dominant for three hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're can I tell you a story that he said. It's amazing. Sure you want you want to add in some things. No, I'm, I'm, I want to hear. I want to hear the story. OK, OK, so he said he's like this story said about a rabbi. By the way, I just wanted to this guy is not like a like this Buddhist guy who by the way studied Buddhism before this.

56:09 So he is. But he's not sitting there like this. He's like cracking jokes the whole time. It's like, you know, so he said. He's grounded. Yeah, and he was talking about psychedelics the whole time. He's like, people will get this feeling from psychedelics. And there's an urge for psychedelics nowadays because we're really craving this. And this is what ties back into what you said earlier about pushing those boundaries so that we stay connected. That's his pitch. His pitch is like, we're we're going in this direction. We have it in our arsenal. Let's teach it. And let's use it. Yeah, well, I really feel like a preacher of his. I wasn't. Yeah, but you're doing a great job explaining what's happening right now. So, So I'll tell you the story that he said over. It was like, OK. You'll be happy to have this on the record, by the way, I think because you'll, because I, I think that it's hard when, first of all, you got yourself in the zone by starting to talk for the first hour anyway.

57:01 And then you're getting prompted by someone that knows the kind of questions that I want you to get out to make it as clear as possible, OK, that I'm trying to assist you with this. So that would be fun, Yeah. OK, well, I want you to. I want you to chime in the field. So he says a story and he's like this the story is set over and insert your favorite rabbi, right? Your rabbi is the rabbi. OK, Your rabbi is time. OK, just insert this story. I don't know who the rabbi was, but this is not OK. So he's like, there's a there's a Jew who's growing up and he's getting and he was not affiliated, but he's getting more religious and he met, he met this rabbi. OK, whoever you have in your head now the guy says, hey, I want to get more religious.

57:42 And the rabbi says, OK, cool. You know, let's let's teach you how to read Hebrew. So he's like, so they teach him how to read Hebrew and he's like obviously struggling through it, through it. He's learning a new language. Meanwhile, they go to dobining every day, right? So while he's learning, he's singing the Rabbi Dobin for for three hours, right. So the guy, the guy is continuing to see this day in day out until he finally learns how to read better and better and his feel becomes whatever, 10 minutes. OK, So he goes, he goes to the to the Rabbi and he says Rabbi, like I understand that when when I was first starting out, like I understood why, why your davening was only was 3 hours long because like, you know, I was going through the words you were going right.

58:23 And but now, like, you know how to read Hebrew, like, and you say this, I've been seeing you say this for a long time, like, you know the words, obviously. So like what? He's like, what are you? What are you not getting? Like, it should be 10 minutes long, basically. So the rabbit says, what do you do? He's like, I work. What do you work? He's like, I sell schmatas. I'm a schmatas salesman, OK? Well, well, we're back. So he goes. So he goes. What are Where do you sell your schmatas? So he goes, Can I continue using schmatas? Sure, that's a great word. Well, I saw them in New York, New Jersey, and then, you know, Philly. Yeah.

59:04 Right. OK. Do you sell overseas? Yeah, sure. Where Where overseas? I I sell them in Mexico. OK. Where else? I sell them in Japan. OK. So, so, so while the guy's saying this, he's writing down these these names, the where does he sell the thing? Japan, You know, Mexico, United States. OK, so the kid, so the so the guy goes here. How long does it take you to travel? So he goes, you know, an airplane takes me, you know, whatever, the whole the whole day just to get there. OK, so I'll tell you what I could, I'll shorten, I'll shorten it for you. Take this paper. And he's like, he's like, what do you want me to do with this? He's like, there you go. I just saved you.

59:44 I just saved you days. Yeah, is it not he's. Saying he's like, I, I these are places you have to go. Like you can't just read the name and sell schmantz like that. So the rabbi goes, the words in the sitter aren't just words on paper, they're places you have to go. Yeah, right. So that's why I'm there for three hours. So it's like a mic drop moment. That's a great answer. Dude, you're like, wow, like I'm OK, all right, so let me get in. Let me try to see what that's about. Like let me try to see and get in that zone. So imagine he opens with these stories and their teachings and, you know, like. You know, there minds, you know, I actually thought, I thought the story is going to go in a different, a different direction.

1:00:31 There's an awesome story, You know, the source of prayer, the Torah, the source dominating is the beginning of gracious of, of Genesis when it's the second. Yeah, no, not even Adam yet. God even create didn't create Adam and Eve yet. It was the basically the first chapter is this account of creation, the famous seven days, the six days, whatever, 7 days. And then, and then there's a new chapter that opens and it begins with the story of creation again, but it tells it differently. And if you look at any Bible, any Bible that says this, and at one point it says that there was no rain on the ground yet because man was not yet created to work right, right, and to work the land, right.

1:01:25 And that same commentary we talked about earlier, Rashi says that this is the source of prayer that God said. I want man to notice what the world needs on the man to be the voice of the world, the consciousness of the world and say, hey, this tree back here is really it's not looking great. You know, you can really use some help right now and this you know over there that you know that that that mango tree, you know, it needs a little bit less rain than avocado tree. So you know that would be even better. And So what the point that it's trying to bring out was I believe that men's meant the purpose of prayer is not just to request things, but it's to it's to think through what needs to be taken care of in your life, right?

1:02:18 Like what how you know. And that's why we pray for different categories of things, because you're supposed to think the steps along the process as to what each aspect of your life needs. That just gave me a great shot. By the way, can I share? Yes, shot. Yeah. So there's a there's a teaching that Adam was able to see me from one end of the world to the to the. Next, Yeah. So think about it, this being the whole world was created for him based on what you're saying. You can all be in his awareness. Yeah. Yes, Right. Exactly, exactly. And that's why Moshe had that same life, because Moshe or Moses had the same was was that prophet that was like that close. He had like that grand sense of awareness and consciousness. And he also had that same light that that, that, that that Adam had. The Adam had.

1:03:04 But the point, I think, is that him. Yeah. I don't know. You never heard that? Where'd you hear that? That's famous. That Moshe had that. That the light that was on Motion's face after after he left down from Almoy after Oh yes, the second time. Before he came from Hersing. I know. Yeah, but then he went to Almoy to put a mask on because, you know, could talk to him. OK, right. He wasn't relatable. He wasn't relatable on an individual level. He had this cosmic, this cosmic consciousness. Dude. Imagine spending, imagine also, but think about this, right? Whatever variation you want to say, state of mind, psychedelics, spiritual ecstasy, connection with God, use whatever words or state of he was in.

1:03:49 Obviously a very separate state of consciousness and awareness for 40 days and 40 nights. Right. And when you return, you don't relate when you come back to a trip, right? If you take, if you take mushrooms or you take LSD and then you go into your KPMG office, you'll be like, what is going on right here? You know, like you'll be like, I can't relate to any of this. I can't speak to any of these individual like cogs like that are like running around, like, you know, like this, this quote UN quote rat race. I don't relate to it. Like there's a much bigger picture that I'm like part of that. I, I don't relate to that aspect of it. I think that he was able to relate to like once you have like that kind of like cosmic or grand awareness. And the point of like what maturing and growing up is, is including more in your realm of responsibility and awareness, right?

1:04:40 You're not just responsible for yourself now. Now you're responsible for your wife and your kids. Now you're responsible as your parents get older for your parents, you know, and, and their well-being. And now you're responsible for your younger symbols. How are they doing? You know, how are you responsible for your neighborhood and your community? And then when you're when now when you're praying, you don't have just the awareness of just yourself, right? You have this enhanced awareness. Will you want will you the world in mind of your world, which is constantly expanding to have to have what's best for them. And the more that your world expands, the more the more time you need to really think about that. You know, the more consciousness you need to be like, listen man, like. Yeah. You know, like being a teacher, right? Feels like the same. Thing so so part of so I love that you're saying this because it's still it's it's leading right to something else that he was saying.

1:05:26 He's like, I had a conversation with with a Rob that he respected and he was and and at this point he was already learning deeper stuff and he said, I have a shot in this thing, right? Like he had an explanation on this esoteric passage. So he like they discuss it. He gives it over to him and then he says, OK, I need to think about that. He goes, what do you mean? We just talked it through. He's like, yeah, but I want to think about it. And then this Danielle Katz was like, okay, so he goes, he takes out a notebook or something and pencils in a time to think about it. That's like you do that and his rapper is like, you don't.

1:06:08 Yeah, dude. Yeah, like. How he's like. So how often do you spend 5 minutes like actually consciously thinking about something, right? I just, I want to start doing that by the way, so I really want to start doing that. That's a great idea because I there's so many things I say I want to think about and I never get to thinking about them. We'll go on the next retreat together. I don't want to do. I don't want to do it. I'm going to end up like moving. I'd have an affiliate link. I'm just kidding. So funny dude. Yeah. OK. So keep so so anyway, so you so you're connecting that way you're getting to this meditate I guess more aware, meditative kind of. Oh, that's, I mean, I mean that's so that, no, that, I mean, that's basically it.

1:06:51 That's like the the retreat. I mean, it's one day with lunch breaks dominating, breaks thinner. Are you, how do you, how do you, how do you implement this in your in your life now? Right. Yeah, exactly. I don't. Know well, I think for starters, definitely start by thinking about by setting aside time to think about things. Bro something is just jumped into your pool. I saw a huge splash. Shout out to Dalton. Yeah, dude, sorry about that. You took a pee break. Got some wine that works right back outside. Some good wine. Red. Red wine. Yeah, Man, I think that we all need a lot of this. I think that we need one of the actually the things that gets more full circle.

1:07:35 I was thinking of and I was especially when I was talking to my students about like what was going on because we spoke about the trans shooter a couple weeks, a couple weeks ago too, right? And I was saying, imagine, think about this, right? Most Americans, I think it is a huge loneliness epidemic happening in America. Right. Most Americans don't feel like they have. Do you know people that? I do know some people. Do you really? Yeah, I do. I know actually, as it happens to be by the way, that that my, that my, that my religious community around me typically does not have that issue, but it's not always the case, but typically right, right. Anyway, imagine this, right, You're a regular American kid.

1:08:15 This could have happened to me so easily. Like my life trajectory, right? Graduate college 20, end of 2017, right? I worked for a couple of years. I'm living in Seattle. 2020, COVID starts, right? Lockdown start. Yeah, I, Seattle in particular, you know, was pretty strict for the next two years. Can't socialize. Yeah, Now, I was lucky enough to have three friends I was living with, right? But one friend started dating someone else. One friend moved back to New York. Another friend moved back to New York. Right now I get an apartment, right? I work remote because I do sales sitting in my apartment by myself when I'm not doing sales on social media, True.

1:09:00 You know, when I'm not doing sales, I'm scrolling. I'm by myself. I don't have community because I'm not Jew. I, I don't have a huge community. I'm not Jewish. I'm not Orthodox. I'm not going to shul, I'm not going to church. I'm not going to anything right. Why not? I'm just talking about a lot of Americans. I know, but why not? Why not go? To but that's a good question, right? You probably should. I, you know, I don't have more than 3 or 4 friends. I'm on Hinge or I'm on all these other dating apps. But like, none of them really turn into any kind of real relationships. Like, you just, like, match with people and then like, you kind of try texting awkwardly and then it stops and like, that's it, right? It is super, super, super easy to go from 2020 to 2025 and end up in a very, very dark place. Yeah, in a really, really dark place for a lot of people and I and people like, and this isn't just like a, like a random case. These are like grades at a time.

1:09:56 And schools in Binghamton and NYU and Maryland where like kids are moving to the city got, got people moving to the city. And like, even if you have roommates in Manhattan, right, you got 3 roommates. One of your roommates works in finance. He's he's only, he's in your, he's talking to you half an hour a day. 5 five years, you're saying the five? Years. I'm saying that we have been prime for like a mental health societal breakdown for a long time. Community. People are not interacting with other people. No one goes to movies, people don't go to concerts very often very much. People do not have groups of friends. People do not have meaningful relationships. People don't have communities, religious or affiliations, even just the value like of having a rabbi that like you can talk to and like a guide, like a God in your life.

1:10:44 Where like where the walls feel like they're caving in and you're stressed and you don't know who to talk to. And and you can't talk to your wife because you don't want to stress her out about how stressed out you are. And you just call someone and you just say, I feel like this is about to break down and like to have like a human being on the other end of the phone that's been through that and say like understand and like maybe help, maybe not. You can talk it out. You can talk through it, right? That is such a rare. Right, it doesn't. It doesn't happen to people. People don't have that. We take that for granted. And then when people come out and they do crazy acts or they start acting like lunatics in the street or do crazy shit like shoot up a school or something like that, God forbid, a million times.

1:11:28 And it doesn't have to even be that extreme. But like how many people are numb to life? How many people like don't have any embodied reality at all? I can't imagine how many people on Twitter have seen the video that have to post. Don't watch the video. Yeah, I'm like, people are watching this. Everyone was watching it. Everyone. And but like you like come so far to like be the voice. The voice that's drowned out is the voice that's saying yourself a favor. And don't watch the video because the default is you're going to watch the video and watch someone publicly executed on your phone in the bathroom probably. You are, yeah.

1:12:10 And you know what? There's also, I also think that there's an actual thing too. I think that there's, there's different. It's so fascinating because I just, Dave Smith actually just said it today and I thought about it and I really think it's true. There's like there's almost a kind of satisfaction about self-destructive behavior. Like, there is a pleasure that people get out of self-destructive behavior where you know, what you're doing is like hurting yourself. And, you know, you're like getting yourself deeper in that pit, but you kind of want to put yourself there. I want to look something up for you because I think you're going to enjoy it. You know so.

1:12:54 Yeah, or Danielle Katz is saying that there are 5 No 10 principles or like 10 principles or 8 principles. And one of them was like your, your default state is, is self sabotage. And like, and it is, it is, it's like that's, that's what it means that you're you're. Because it's your heart. Is good. It's like salt, right? Like and there's something to like soak and you don't, you almost don't want to admit it. Like you don't want to say like it feels good to like do this self-destructive thing. But why do you think people can't help themselves? I think it's condition. I think it's not condition. I think it's natural. I think it's nature. Like I think it is too. It's natural to feel that way. I think it is too dude. If you're getting rained out again, it's.

1:13:35 Going to stop so I open the what do you call it? So open the shade more. Does it go out further? Hang. On I mean, it doesn't really help. It's like Florida raining but. If it's like a light drizzle, it'll it's. Passing over. It's all right. Yeah, dude. So I think so. I think that I think that the combination of the two and like we're kind of making, it's funny. I also I'm thinking, hang on, fuck too far. Yeah, I was thinking about about vices, right. And like what's like socially popular in terms of vices, right? Because like, this generation is really less into alcohol than like we've ever seen, but like a lot more into weed. Is that true?

1:14:16 Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it is, especially among the. I didn't know that There's just been, I just. There there was a study on. Alcohol. Alcohol has potentially gone into permanent decline, actually drop in sales, drop in interest and drinking, drop in people drop in the amount of time that how frequently people drink and and how much has just all been going down. I'm sure human had a big part of it by the way, and Rogan too. And like, there's a lot of people that like, like university are just coming out. I mean, like, your life would be better if you didn't drink alcohol, right? But I also think that at the end of the day, we're also like POTS becoming big and you don't really like to drink most of the time when you're stoned.

1:14:57 A lot of people don't. Right. So, but I what I thought was fascinating was like. Or maybe you could do more when you're when you're high, like you don't have to stop. Like if you're a drunk, you don't get, you can't do anything. But if you're. If you're high, you can. You can. Being high was more debilitating to me than being drunk. You can cook when you're high like you can't really cook when you're drunk. Fine, but fine. But short of that, like I would put me in like I think 9 out of 10, maybe 8 out of 10 situations, I think I would probably be more functional drunk. If you're going to pray, yeah, you're talking about crazy things.

1:15:40 I can chill or like, I mean, you know, but I think one of the few so whatever. Yeah, anyway, not important. So I So what I believe is that or what I've been like this theory or this sense that I get is that this generation is a generation so far of loneliness. And weed is like the seclusion drug. Like weed does not make you want to be social for the most part. Most people I associate smoking with watching a movie, watching TV, scrolling, cooking and eating. But generally like like if I'm about to go out with friends and I smoke AJ, like I'm not going anywhere, dude. Like like I'm much less inclined to, you know, and alcohol was much more is much more of like a social vice and much more of like a social lubricant, right.

1:16:30 And like the culture, even 1015 years ago, like, I don't know about you, my friends were getting internships and like college and like starting work. They had like these like team, like, like dinners or happy hours like every couple of weeks. And like, it was a huge in the culture to like, drink together and like, yeah, get to spend time together and like do group activities. Well, COVID wiped that out. So. But then people stopped. Yeah. And then people realized how much money they were saving and how unhealthy it was in that time. And I think that I think that all that stuff was expensive and I think that once they started cutting it, it's hard to go back to uncutting it. Right, like if you're taking if I could save $10,000 a month on rent where I could just hire my team remotely? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:17:13 Why would I go back to the $10,000 a month? Rent, yeah, yeah, totally. Or, you know, instead of spending X amount on client relationships because you know, and we where we sit down and like have a dinner together and I have some wine and dine them. Over the last three years, it became normal to do everything on zoom. And like they still feel loved because I call because I call them once a month. Like why would I spend, you know, 10 grand, 15 grand a night? You know, in these places, if you know that's tiny, you know number relative to what they spend. There was this SO. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want. To there was this. There was this AI generated voice over from Charlie Kirk.

1:17:55 I was like, it was really insane the way of like what would Charlie Kirk say now if you would, dude? And it was like you. Play it? Are we live? Play it? Why not? It's not copyrighted I guess, right? I don't think people are coming after you yet. I do. Listen to this dude. It's 1. Second, you know first, I want you to know I'm fine, not because my body is fine, but because my soul is secure in Christ. Death is not the end, it's a promotion. Don't waste one second mourning me. I knew the risks of standing up in this cultural moment, and I do it all over again.

1:18:36 Second, do not let this violence divide us further. The enemy wants chaos, fear, and retaliation. Don't give it to them. Instead, double down on truth, double down on courage, double down on your faith and on your families. That is how you honor me. Third, remember this. America is worth it. Free speech is worth it. Fighting for the unborn, for families, for sanity and a culture gone mad, it is all worth it. So dry your tears, pick up your clothes, and get back in the fight. Do it with joy, do it with strength. And never, ever let evil think at 1:00. 1st that's it. Is that dude? And it was like, so spot on. Like what he would say. Wow man.

1:19:19 Does that not feel like a resurrection of the dead? Something like that, man. Holy crap, dude. Let's call it here, man. With the main and everything that was good, we call it. That's a lot of fun, dude. We doing it? Wow.