#122: Ephraim Herschmann / Jamming / Learning / Free Speech?

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Welcome to another episode of
come together

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Hello, we're Live I.
Didn't realize I was live.

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Hey everyone, we are back with
another episode.

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Solo episode today, first one in
a while so I'm back.

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Cheers.
A bit of smoky Scotch, some ice

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after a what feels like a
possibly long day.

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But here we are.
And I got to say, I got to say I

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never really thought that the
hardest part of the podcast

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would be getting people to just
stick on schedule in terms of

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planning and timing and dates
and recording times and stuff

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like that.
Which?

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You know, I mean all things.
Considered there could be a lot

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more complicated and difficult
parts of the podcast, you know,

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but things have been things have
been absolutely bonkers beyond

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words in terms of busyness.
School started up again, and so

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on top of the podcast and on top
of being home with two kids

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under 3 and the sales job and
exercising every day, you know,

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back to teaching for 2 1/2
hours, grading papers and coming

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up with lessons again. 9th,
10th, and 12th graders this

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year, which is really cool.
And again, it never ceases to

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amaze me.
But every year, this is a fourth

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year in a row, my students take
me by surprise and just want to

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think that I don't want to teach
younger classes. 9th and 10th

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grade have been really, truly
awesome, smart, good, sweet,

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creative kids.
They might be listening right

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now.
They found out about the

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podcast, came up in
conversation, I guess, and I

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told them that I'd rather them
not listen to it in case you're

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listening.
Because I think that I have a

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responsibility as a teacher to
keep classroom conduct.

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And then there is my own time,
my own space, my own life, and

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that's separate, which I guess,
well, I guess, well, that that

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would be the opening point.
I love the circle back and the

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references and the closing out
the podcast with, you know,

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circling back to the first
topic.

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So I'll probably end up circling
back and talking about my a

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little bit of my thoughts on
this Jimmy Kimmel lunatic

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nightmare that seems to be going
on right now.

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And not to say I haven't even
decided whether I whether I'm

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for him getting fired or not,
but I guess I just have some

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thoughts that I'm sure I'd flush
out.

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But yeah, I think that I think
that now is a little bit it's a.

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Little crazy, it's a little,
it's a little crazy.

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Life's been a little high
pressure, like life's been a

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little busy, more than a little
busy.

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And it kind of feels like I
never even have two seconds to

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stop and breathe and be, you
know, and, and I try to make and

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I make time almost every day to
I think that my, you know, my

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schedule in general is just so
packed that even if I make some

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time for the day to unwind or
exercise or whatever, it doesn't

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compensate for the need to just
be still for a little bit and

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let my head settle and let my
thoughts settle.

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And for the first time in
literally years, probably, but

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literally years, I, I was
driving for probably 20-30

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minutes and I didn't put any
radio on.

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I didn't call anyone.
I didn't, I didn't even look at

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my phone.
I just, which I shouldn't be

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doing anyway, But I just, I just
drove in silence and just my

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thoughts in my head and the
windows down.

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And, you know, this time of year
in South Florida, you know, the

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the summer heat kind of comes a
culmination of humidity and

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storm and rain.
And that's actually what

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hurricane, hurricane season
tends to happen, if it does at

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all, you know, on an annual
basis right before.

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And then and then, you know, all
the rain and storms happen and

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then there's a break in the
humidity and then winter

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happens.
And that's the best part of it,

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of being down here for sure.
Even though summer this year

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happened to have been pretty
tolerable, pretty pretty

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bearable, I thought when I was
in New York for half the summer

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that it was really just as bad,
if not worse in a little bit of

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a different way.
But yeah, so I, so I, so I've

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been, I, I needed to start just
being, you know, just being,

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just to spend some time in a
healthy place and to have some

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time having fun, which is
something that it's crazy to

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say, but you have to like, you
have to really schedule it in

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your adult's life as you become
an adult.

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Because even because our
attention and our eyeballs are

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constantly being fought over,
you know, our, you know, whether

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I guess not necessarily even our
eyeballs, our ears too.

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But you know, there's always
something happening and urgent

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that just requires your
attention, whether that's a new

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show that came out, whether
that's a new news story that

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broke on Twitter or whether it's
a new podcast that you

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absolutely have to listen to.
You know, there's very little

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time, I guess, for me that I
really have that I really have

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for just like fun.
And by the time, you know, and

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obviously a lot of my fun time
is playing with my son and

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playing with my daughter, but
and hanging out of my life, but

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fun in my own self expressive
kind of fun way.

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You know that, you know, there's
a famous Calvin Hobbes where

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Calvin, you know, Calvin asks
his dad, how come adults don't

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they tell me about like, you
know, playing or whatever.

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And he goes, yeah, well, when
you're an adult, it's not

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allowed anymore, so you may as
well enjoy it now.

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You know, it kind of feels like
that, even though I know it's

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not the case because it's really
just up to me.

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But so the other, I guess about
a month or two ago, I made more

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Now, holy cow, I don't know,
time's flying.

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But I made I made a friend.
I went to an open mic and I see

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a guy that looks, he looks
Israeli.

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It's just a very distinct
Israelis have a look.

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And then I saw he had a Hebrew
word tattooed on I think his

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neck or shoulder and a Humsa
tattoo.

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And I was like, oh man, this
guy's definitely Jewish.

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Probably.
I mean, I've seen Jewish people

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with Jewish tattoos, tattoos as
well, I guess, but you know, so

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you kind of make eye contact,
you know, give each other like a

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little like what's up?
And, and after I went to play, I

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went outside, have a drink, take
a smoke.

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And he was outside too.
And we started talking.

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He was with his wife and we all
started talking.

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And then right before I was
about to leave, he came dashing

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outside.
It's like, oh, let me just grab

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your number, which I'm kind of
happy that he did right, because

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it kind of felt like we both
were like on a similar page as

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to, I mean, I'm sure you can
relate to this.

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You anyone listening literally,
you know, there's just people

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that you meet where like you
kind of just have some good,

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some good vibes and good
chemistry when you meet each

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other.
And you can either let that kind

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of go or you could do something
about it.

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And I'm, I'm usually the kind of
guy to let it go.

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I'm bad at two things I'm bad
at.

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I'm bad a lot of a lot more than
two things.

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But two social things in this
context and I'm bad at is

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getting people's phone numbers
saying, Hey, what's your phone

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number?
Which I've been really working

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on and then, you know, just
think it's not.

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I have to get over that in my
head.

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And, and also starting
conversations, initiating

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conversations.
So I will say that I initiated

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the conversation just from my
own just to make myself feel

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better.
But he came running after me

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like, Hey, let me get your phone
number.

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We should hang out sometime or
at least come back to open my

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together and see if we could,
you know, just just to have

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someone to hang out with because
this was one of his first times

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doing it too.
I've been here for a while, but,

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and he's a better, he's a far
better guitar player than I am.

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But you know, I mean, there's
the performance.

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There's a reason why performing
is an art or why, you know, it's

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a whole another skill.
And and it's hard.

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It's it's definitely hard.
You're making yourself

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vulnerable on stage.
If you're not 100% secure, then

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everything that everything that
you're insecure about seems to

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be amplified way, way more when
you're in front of.

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People, even if it's just a few
people.

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Just, you know, like you're
sitting in standing or sitting

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on a, on a stool or on a, you
know, whatever in front of a

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microphone.
I know I don't have a

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particularly great voice.
I don't know how I even sound.

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I can't even tell when I'm
sitting up there what my guitar

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sounds like.
I literally have no idea how I'm

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playing when I'm playing open
mics.

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And I could only, you know, base
it on how I feel about how, you

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know, smooth or loose or
organic, my playing sounds or,

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or my voice and how tight and
stiff and, you know, my voice

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sounds because when you get
nervous, or at least when I get

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nervous, I tend to speak faster.
And when I'm singing, my voice

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kind of tenses up and you can
really sense the strain.

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So you know, we both so.
Neither of us are, I guess you

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know, well, he's a better
performer than I am.

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I'm a little bit more
comfortable, I would say at this

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point because I've, you know, I
mean, I've done probably two or

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three dozen open mics at this
point, even though I'm still not

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entirely comfortable and.
So he came to me, you know, so,

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so we kind of been in touch
every now and then.

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And you know, it's a great way
to practice my Hebrew, which I

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really love doing.
And it's a great way to, you

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know, and to practice casual
Hebrew because I come across

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biblical or I guess ancient
Hebrew a lot more.

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Frequently on a daily basis.
And I used to speak more, I

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guess, modern day Hebrew to with
my grandfather who had passed

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away a couple years ago and with
my mom sometimes.

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But short of that, there's not a
lot of Hebrew going on in my

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life.
And it's fun to practice.

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It also makes me feel like I'm
kind of half on vacation or and

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I really believe that there's
also another part of our brain

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when we when we switch
languages, we shift that we

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shift the gears in our head in
the way that we think in our

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perception and our even even our
mood.

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Like I've noticed that when I
talk to people in Hebrew, I just

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the flow in my state of mind is
totally different than speaking

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in English.
And you know it.

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Obviously if you're not and if
you if you do know, if you do

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speak more than one language and
there's one language that you're

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more comfortable than the other,
you know, like Hebrew, like I'm

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more comfortable obviously
speaking English than Hebrew.

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I have to spend a decent amount
of time actually working hard to

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even make the most casual
conversation because all the

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words that I'm.
That I'm thinking.

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Of that I want to communicate or
express.

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I have to translate over in real
time and it happens quickly, but

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it definitely has some kind of
cognitive.

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Cost.
In the sense that, you know,

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you're exerting effort to really
just have the most basic

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conversations.
And the more frequently that I

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talk in that language, the less
effort it requires.

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So it's fun to so it's fun to,
you know, kind of be in touch

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with them a little bit.
And, you know, and we're both,

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and, you know, so we we're both
very, we're both very creative,

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very passionate about music and
self-expression.

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I believe, you know, from what
I've been able to deduce from

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hanging out and texting and
talking, whatever.

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And, and last week he went to an
open mic together and it was

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great.
It was my first open mic in

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probably six months.
It was his second, I think

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second or third ever.
And he did great.

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I played a couple of songs.
The first song I played was If

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You Want to Sing Out by Cat
Stevens.

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And that, that I, even though
that's a song I was probably

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most comfortable playing out of
the three that I played, I

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bombed it so hard.
I just felt wooden and tight

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and, and my voice was bad and my
guitar singing was bad and my

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rhythm was off and everything
just felt clunky.

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And then I got to a song called
Cold Cold World.

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I've been listening to a good
amount of Billy Strings lately

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and he has this album called
Live at the Legion, which I

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think I may have said this in
the podcast before, but Billy

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Strings and Brian Sutton live at
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They're actually just they're
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just played a back-to-back set
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But they're both just incredible
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And when they play together,
they take a lot of old classic

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American folk, Blues, bluegrass,
country tunes and cover them.

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You know, what's what's so much
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is because you have a lot of
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creativity and your own style,
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was already so good and of
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blending the two.
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loved, I used, I loved
Springsteen covers.

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I thought he did a remarkable
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adding a great little like rock.
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tone to them.
The Grateful Dead, as I've said

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this before and I'll say it
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again and again, started as a
cover man, you know, and all

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they played was just songs that
they loved and they just had

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their own style of expressing
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And Billy Strings too, is a is a
blue is a bluegrass acoustic

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guitar player.
But you know, he can play.

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He he he play.
He crosses genres all the time

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and cover and does incredible,
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So there's a great song by a guy
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guy.
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music, it's really, really
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This song, the particular song I
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World, but Blaze Foley has BLAZE
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Foley has a bunch of amazing
live and recorded albums.

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That was just like great
acoustic guitar, just, you could

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tell that it was just almost
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this country, energy, country
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And I mean, I, I, I think, I, I
think he's from Texas, but I, I

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don't want to speak without
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I'm, I'm literally just starting
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know, so I play, I played this
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then don't think twice.
It's all right.

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It's a Bob Dylan classic.
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practicing.
When you play guitar, you can

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either strum one time down or
you can kind of pick and kind of

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play each string and let each
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different vibe and they're both

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great sounds, but they kind of
let them, they kind of create

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different environments and
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So I played a little slower down
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play.
I usually played in the 24 waltz

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time instead I played it this
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arpeggio peggio, something like
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last week and we had a great
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He texted me.
He's like, hey, man, like, you

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know, if you want to go to open
mic and go to open mic, but I

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would love to just jam together
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some originals, you know, show
each other some originals hang

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out.
I have my I have, I have, I have

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a, you know, we can hang out in
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Have a good time and just talk.
And I came back and I was so

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tired from the whole day again.
You know the schedule from, you

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know, waking up.
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sleeping through the night
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But you know, you wake up,
workout first thing, pray, work,

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find podcast guests, maybe
record an episode, continue

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working, rent afternoon prayers.
Min hum is what it's called in

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Hebrew.
Come home, realize in a panic

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that I don't have a class ready
yet for today or the class that

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I thought I had ready wasn't
good enough for the students

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didn't like the one that I did
yesterday.

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So I have to change up what I
was going to do and I only have

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an hour to do it, you know, And
all of a sudden, Oh my God, you

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know, I got, I got to hustle.
I got, I got to make and then I

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got to go and I got to teach
for, for, for the time.

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Then I come home and put my kid
to bed and I was about to bail

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on him and I was like, no, man,
I just need to do this.

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I just need to, I need to go.
I need to hang out with someone

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and, and someone that it's not
even just hanging out with

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someone, it's someone that you
know, is looking to share

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creatively and literally just
like have fun, you know, and I

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was like, I'm going to push
myself.

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I got to just go do it.
Even if I'm falling.

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Even if I'm falling on my face.
And I did, and it was so

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wonderful and the reason why I
feel like why I'm even talking

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about this.
It's because I know that I've

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been preaching or talking a lot
about the value of embodied

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experiences and doing things
with people.

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And you know, an embodied
experience could be a sports

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game, could be a bar, can we
could be a brewery, could be a

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movie, could be, you know, jiu
jitsu class, you know, workout

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class, Pilates, whatever you
want to do, you know?

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But there's something I think.
Really unique and cool and fun

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about making, you know, the
early process of making a new

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friend or getting to know
someone for the first time again

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or getting to know a friend for
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Because with a lot with a lot of
people in our lives, I'm sure

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that we that, that you can
relate, but they already have a

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we already have an image of
ourselves.

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We have, they have an image of
us and we have an image of our

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relationship of what we're
supposed to be the way we're

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supposed to act.
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on who we're hanging out with,
we have to like kind of we have

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to fill those.
We have to, we have to fill

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those expectations.
We have to meet them.

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And I think that's why people
really, really feel like when

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they escaped, you know,
obviously aside from a

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therapist, which is super
important, barbers, you know,

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are.
People that everyone just loves

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talking to or bartender, you
know, or someone that like is in

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front of you where you guys have
no prior history.

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You can be any person that you
pretend that you want to be or

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that you really are and that you
feel like you can't ordinarily

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be.
Or you can pretend to be someone

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new, you know, and I mean, I
don't pretend to be someone new.

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I think it's a little psychotic
every time.

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But I think that, you know, so I
have I have friends with my

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relationship to them is the
goofy dude.

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And there's some friends.
My relationship with them is I'm

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this thoughtful guy that.
We that you know, that we share

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ideas and books that we've read
together and, you know,

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philosophical, you know, ideas
about, about religion and life

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and God.
And then there's some friends

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that I'm, you know, that I work
out with and that I'm an athlete

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with.
And there's some And so with, I

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haven't had any friends at this
point in my life, at least that

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I became that I'm that I
identify myself with and our

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relationship with as a musical
partnership.

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And it's so, so cool and unique.
And I actually think that one of

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the things that I guess I'm
really thinking these words for

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the first time in my life, but.
You know, one of the, one of the

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benefits and values when people
say of moving is like when you

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move, you change your luck and
you change, you know, your

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circumstance is that you get to
really do, you really do get to

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reinvent yourself.
And a lot of times, especially

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with people that we've known for
a long time, when you know, life

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is life is always moving, life
is always changing, things are

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always happening.
Our interests are always

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evolving and developing.
And you know, people that know

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you in a certain way, at a
certain point, we almost kind of

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feel boxed in to the way that we
have to act.

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You feel like we're boxed into
the association that we have

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with and there might be another
part of us that never actually

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gets to flourish and get to
breathe and get to really

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express itself in and really
embody itself in our lives.

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And that's what that's one of
the amazing benefits of creating

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friends, of creating friends of
going out of your way to meet

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people, of going out of your way
to talk to your Barber or talk

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to a bartender or talk to.
You know, you're a gym coach to

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anyone, you know, just like just
the notion that like there's a,

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I'm sure that we all I know for
myself, obviously, but I'm sure

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for all of us, there's parts of
ourselves that we really want to

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access more.
That we really want, that we

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wish we could just manifest and
bring out more in our lives.

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And when we don't either, that
feels locked up.

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And, you know, it sucks that
that's a really bad feeling to

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have things held back in like
that, or it's suffocates and

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dies and just goes away.
So I ended up feeling far more

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free, you know, that night.
And we sat, we played, we played

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a couple of covers.
We played some original songs

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that, you know, I mean, I
haven't played in years or for

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anyone else before, not for a
long time.

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And we talked about the
backgrounds of the stories.

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We talked about different points
in our lives, you know, a lot,

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you know, talking about
different concerts that you went

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to or people we'd like to see or
things you want to do.

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And it was just like 2 hours or
2 1/2 hours of really just this

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freedom of me expressing myself
in a way that I don't almost

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that for the first time in my
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Because I almost never ever,
ever really expressed myself as,

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you know, the guy that's a
musician, the guy that plays

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guitar, the guy that has that,
that, you know, was learning

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about it and practicing and
playing and being creative and

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finding his own voice with it.
And, you know, and crossing over

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genres and trying to figure out,
you know, where exactly my, my

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sound is.
And it was such a magnificent

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experience.
And I came home and I felt, and

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on the way home, I just felt so
light.

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And it's like the weight of the
world had just been, you know,

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just moved off me for just a
little bit.

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And there's something that I
think that that I wish that, you

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know, first of all that I had on
a more regular basis.

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But I really want for more
people to have because that

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feeling of liberation and that
feeling of this is who, you

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know, I, I can be more than what
I am, then I can be my let you

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know I can, I can my life could
be more than just a general

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trajectory that it's on right
now is such an invigorating

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feeling that it just brings a
whole new level of life and

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awareness.
I think that it was really,

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really necessary for me to, to,
to make it through, to make it

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to, to make it through the
world, man.

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You know, I think that like, you
know, I think everyone has a

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tough life.
I think everyone goes through

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hard times.
And I think everyone needs

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healthy ways to be able to, to,
to, to, to, to go through it, to

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make their way through.
There's healthy ways and

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unhealthy ways and for, you
know, a long time, you know,

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it's easy to numb.
It's easy to shove it, to shove

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these feelings.
Down or you know.

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Hide them away or force them
into the pit of your stomach or

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somewhere else, or even try to
work it out.

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Like to try to, you know, try to
force it away by working out or

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casting it far off into your
subconscious.

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But it can't be that far off.
And it's always on the.

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Surface whether we're aware of
it or not.

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So you know that was that was
one thing The other thing that I

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think that I was thinking a lot
about for today.

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I had a friend I have a friend
Shuwa friends of the podcast,

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pretty frequent guest.
I would.

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Say I think he's been on three
or four times, although only

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once I think by himself.
But he, you know, so in I get,

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and this is a Jewish concept
that I want to elaborate on, but

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I think that is philosophically,
intellectually, and as far as

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education and and values goes is
something that's really, really

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worthwhile and worth thinking
about and talking about.

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So, yeah, I have especially in
Judaism, you got, you know, the

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oral, you got the oral law, you
got the written law.

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The written law is obviously
very famous as the Old Testament

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or the Bible or the Torah,
whatever you want to call it.

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And then the oral law is what's
called in Hebrew Torah, Shabbat.

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00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,320
So it means the instructions
that were delivered from the

441
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,160
mouth or.
You know, through.

442
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,280
Speech and there's and you know,
at a certain point in Jewish

443
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,760
history, we were forgetting Jews
were forgetting the Oral Law and

444
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,640
even though it was originally
meant to never be written down.

445
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,280
Out of fear.
Of potentially losing it.

446
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,920
We did write it down and we
didn't write the whole thing

447
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,760
down.
We'd write clues and hints and

448
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:46,440
very esoteric, I would say
conversations that we're, it's

449
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,280
so fascinating because if you
look at most of the oral law,

450
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,720
most of the Talmud is what you'd
call it, the Talmud or the

451
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,240
Gemara.
It's broken up into several

452
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,280
different volumes in seven
different books and ranging from

453
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,480
category to category.
And they're all cost referenced

454
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,800
and they're all, you know,
relating to each other, which in

455
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,120
and of itself is really magical
and amazing.

456
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:14,680
But you know, it was written
with the intention that to to,

457
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,520
to constantly revisit it and the
and the metaphor.

458
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,440
That I love to give and that I
believe I've said.

459
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,640
Before, but if not, I'll say
again, is the equivalent,

460
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,880
especially from from my teaching
perspective, you know, we have

461
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,760
things we talk about in class
and then we have the homework

462
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,240
that you give, I give and then
you have the assignments that I

463
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,600
give and then you have the
textbook or you know, the source

464
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,920
material and if you're a student
in my class.

465
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,320
And then I.
Ask you a question.

466
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,520
A lot of times I'm not asking
you a question based on one

467
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,240
specific thing.
There's several different

468
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:56,440
aspects or avenues of
information that I'm including

469
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,640
in my one question.
If I say, what do you think of

470
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,400
the song Father and Son by Cat
Stevens?

471
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,760
Because he's learned about that
song in class, or we did.

472
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,120
Or today we did, Me and my uncle
by the Grateful Dead.

473
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,480
You know and.
Excuse me.

474
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,440
And I say what's happening in
that?

475
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,560
Try and just read the lyrics of
the song, but you won't realize

476
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,520
if you weren't paying attention
to what we're talking about.

477
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,800
You won't get what I was trying
to tell you.

478
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,640
You know, we looked at the
mapping class and you know, so

479
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,680
for example, the song me and my
uncle's opens me and my uncle

480
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,720
when riding down from S
Colorado, West, TX bound.

481
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,800
What?
Where's West TX?

482
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,720
Where's S Colorado?
Are they close to each other?

483
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,760
We stopped over in Santa Fe, you
know, it was about halfway and.

484
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,000
And you look at the map and
you're like, oh, OK, I got it.

485
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,040
And then you say, OK, well, this
song is meant to be a cowboy

486
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,560
song.
And so where this guy's coming

487
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,360
from is relevant.
So while we're doing this, you

488
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,640
know, while we're listening to
the song and.

489
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,880
While we're following the
lyrics, I pull up a map and

490
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,120
we're looking at the map.
We're saying, look, this guy's

491
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,560
already like this guy is not
some naive young kid, the

492
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,000
protagonist in the song.
This guy's already in the West.

493
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,440
He's coming from the West.
So it's more of an interaction

494
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,200
between two Cowboys rather than
than one, quote UN quote,

495
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,200
civilian and one cowboy or one,
you know, city boy and one

496
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,480
cowboy, you know.
And so now when I ask you about

497
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,400
the song, I'm not just asking
you about the song.

498
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,320
I'm asking you about the
geography that the song

499
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,880
references to.
I'm asking you about the

500
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,520
characters.
I'm asking you about what we

501
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,440
talked about in class and how it
relates to American culture,

502
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,920
what the Western expansion was
like.

503
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:36,120
It references the Grateful Dead
and who were they to sing that?

504
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:37,360
What?
What do they enjoy about it?

505
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,280
Where were they based?
You know what, what's going on

506
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,800
over there?
So.

507
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,000
Excuse me?
So all this is to say that when

508
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,560
you have the Talmud and then you
have a sentence or you have a

509
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,680
line or you have a quote or you
have a conversation, you know, a

510
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,960
debate, it's called in Hebrew
machlokas, which means I guess a

511
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,400
breaking down of it literally
means to break down points and

512
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600
argue, which is probably the way
the argument.

513
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,000
And I mean, you know, and I
don't even know if this is true.

514
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,480
You always.
I've always heard.

515
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,800
Growing up in the Orthodox
Jewish world that apparently

516
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,240
lawyers helps, you know, the
Talmud helps you become, you

517
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,040
know, a lawyer because it helps
you think a certain way.

518
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,680
And lawyers sometimes study the
Talmud.

519
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,720
And I'm sure there's truth to
that.

520
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560
I don't know, you know, whether
that's like a universal truth or

521
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,720
not.
But but I, but I believe it.

522
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,240
I believe it because there's no,
there's no word that can't be

523
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200
flipped over, you know, dozens
of times that can't be cross

524
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,680
referenced, that can't be, you
know, talking about, you know,

525
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320
several different contexts all
in one go, right.

526
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,960
And you know, and I would, and
I'm pretty, I'm pretty confident

527
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,440
saying that, you know, most
Orthodox observant Jews would

528
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,640
say that, but that studying
Talmud or Bible or the Oral Law

529
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,720
is a pretty significant part of
their relationship to the

530
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,800
Judaism.
It's not just the Old Testament

531
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,840
in the in the written book, It's
also the way to understand the

532
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,200
written books and the Oral Law
that kind of contextualizes

533
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400
everything, even though that in
and of itself also needs

534
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,000
context, right?
So.

535
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,760
All this is to say that.
What happens in order to

536
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,960
encourage?
I would imagine that in order to

537
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,160
encourage, I don't know for
certain, but I would imagine in

538
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,240
order to encourage this, you
make something called the seam

539
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,960
or some little like celebration
whenever you finish a designated

540
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,400
portion of it.
So you know, the Talmud is

541
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200
divided into different sections
that you know, or different

542
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440
aspects of life that it's
pertaining to, you know,

543
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,960
holidays or laws of damages or
laws of relationships or laws of

544
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,040
personality.
And then, and then within those

545
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,520
broader categories, you have
several different volumes of

546
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,640
books and each book could, you
know, ranges from generally like

547
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:04,400
1520 pages of information of
written conversation or written

548
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:11,400
text to, you know, dozens.
It gets pretty, pretty meaty,

549
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,840
pretty big.
And what you do at the end,

550
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,760
though, is when you finish a
book, you know, you make, you

551
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,680
finish one of the books, you
make a party, you make what's

552
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,360
called the Seam.
And you have a, you have a meal

553
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,120
and you're supposed to invite at
least 10 men and it's considered

554
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,960
a celebration.
And you're supposed to have some

555
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360
wine, You're supposed to have
some meat, some meat or some

556
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,400
bread.
And one of the and what, and the

557
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,560
point that I'm trying to get to
with talking about this concept

558
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,280
is that the very first words
that we that, that, that, that,

559
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,280
that come out of your mouth is
I'm going to come back to you.

560
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,760
I'm going to come back to
reviewing you again.

561
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,840
Meaning, just because I read
this book one time does, that

562
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,360
does not mean that I have the
ultimate, you know, master.

563
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,960
I'm not a master of the
knowledge written in this book.

564
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,680
And even though I'm celebrating
that, I've taken a step along

565
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,280
the way to understand the
context of this book and

566
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,800
understand the context of the
bigger Jewish perspective and

567
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,880
philosophy.
I still have to go back and do.

568
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,640
It again, because you know what?
I understand things totally

569
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,360
differently when I'm 29 then
when I was 19.

570
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,680
I understand things completely
differently when I was 25

571
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,200
compared to when I was 29.
And so if I were to consume

572
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,600
information, if I were to read
The Fountainhead by EIN Rand as

573
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,600
a 14 year old, and then I read
again as a 25 year old just

574
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,480
graduating college, 22 year olds
just graduating college and

575
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,920
trying to figure out what to do
with my life, it's going to have

576
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,920
massively different implications
and impacts on me.

577
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,640
And what's amazing about, I
mean, and what I guess a lot of

578
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,240
these types of materials
discussed, the religious texts

579
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:12,280
and materials are.
Ways to navigate.

580
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,520
The different stages of our
lives and different, different

581
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,960
sets of reality that we go
through.

582
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,920
Because let me tell you
something, the lens that I look

583
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,000
at reality through right now in
my life is totally different

584
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,760
than any other way that I've
ever looked through it before.

585
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,200
And I don't think it's a bad
thing.

586
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,720
It's, I think, I mean, I think
personally that it's evolved, of

587
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
course, but I'm kind of inclined
to say that about myself.

588
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,400
But you know, it definitely
feels like it evolved.

589
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,720
And I think that's really
awesome.

590
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,840
And I think that we kind of have
to treat more aspects.

591
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,880
Of information in our lives.
Like that, you know, we feel

592
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,200
like you're done with high
school, you're done with

593
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,640
college.
Or I read that book already, or

594
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,320
I did that already.
And I'm I'm guilty of this all

595
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,240
the time myself.
I saw this already.

596
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,320
So I don't give a, you know, I
don't care what was, you know,

597
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,720
actually a great example was one
of my favorite movies ever was,

598
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,400
or at least nowadays was
Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in

599
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,200
Hollywood.
And when I when I first watched

600
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,480
that movie, I didn't know the
whole Charles Manson story.

601
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,159
And so I.
So I didn't get what?

602
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,639
Was going on, I didn't get that
this, I didn't get the hippie

603
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,600
movement.
I didn't get the girl with the

604
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,320
armpits.
I, I, with the armpit hair.

605
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,800
I didn't get, you know what?
That the, that the, that these

606
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,840
hippies were in some kind of
evil death cult.

607
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,040
They were getting hoodwinked by
Manson and, and, and, or

608
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,880
whatever it was, even if they
weren't hoodwinked, they were,

609
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,400
you know, getting drugged by
Manson and, and starting this

610
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,480
cult.
And so I watched the movie.

611
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600
I'm like, whatever.
And then I was like, I wonder

612
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,679
who Charles Manson is?
And I listened to a couple of

613
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,639
podcasts that, you know, kind of
talked about his life a little

614
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,320
bit.
And then I was like, oh, whoa.

615
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,880
And then I went back to the
movie again, a couple, you know,

616
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,920
after a couple of months of just
casual reading and looking into

617
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,400
it.
And I watched the movie and I'm

618
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,360
like, this movie is perfect.
This movie so good.

619
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,440
And I couldn't get over it.
And I was like, this is so

620
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,480
silly.
So, you know, the only point.

621
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,120
So my point being that.
If there's, you know.

622
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,240
Information kind of stays the
same, I would say, but we are

623
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,400
always developing and we're
always changing.

624
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,080
And I think it's really, really
important to take the time to

625
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,160
realize that just because we
consume something when we were,

626
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,640
you know.
Even a couple of years.

627
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,040
Ago and we had a perspective on
it to look back on it and deal

628
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,280
with to say I'm going.
To try this, I'm going to try

629
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,280
this.
Again, And I'm going to keep an

630
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,520
open mind because my life is
different now than it was and

631
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,480
the way I think now is different
and my associations and my

632
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,920
exposures are different now than
they ever were before, you know,

633
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,760
so.
Yeah, I got it.

634
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,880
I got to.
Relook at it and you know,

635
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,760
listen, If it didn't speak to
you, it might not.

636
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,720
It might not still speak to you.
If it did speak to you, it might

637
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,320
not anymore.
You know a lot of Springsteen's

638
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,360
music, which meant the entire
world to me for.

639
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,080
So long, so many years of my
life.

640
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,720
Probably 656 years of my life
was just like Springsteen was

641
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,960
like my, like the way that he
would expect my emotional, you

642
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,320
know, guiding star, like the way
that he would like manifest and

643
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160
describe the feelings of
loneliness or meaning or

644
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,200
happiness or hope or betrayal or
or heartbreak or enthusiasm and

645
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,240
excitement and passion for life.
The way that he manifested all

646
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:34,000
of that, I felt so strongly as
like a young single guy trying

647
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,760
to figure out what I was trying
to do with my life.

648
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,760
I didn't know what I wanted to
do for a career.

649
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,920
I didn't know what my passions
were.

650
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,440
I didn't know what kind of girl
I wanted to marry, what kind of

651
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,240
family I wanted to have.
I didn't know where I wanted to

652
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,200
live.
I didn't know I wanted to figure

653
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,280
it out.
And I knew I felt lost and you

654
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,360
know.
And he gave that to me.

655
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,320
And he helped me navigate that.
But it doesn't.

656
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,920
But it doesn't mean it doesn't
speak to me the same way now

657
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,560
when I have.
Projects in a career.

658
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,200
That I'm working on, you know, I
have a family that I'm building

659
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,680
and I know where I, I bought a
house.

660
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,800
I know where I'm living, you
know, and all of a sudden, a lot

661
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,160
of the contacts in my life that
that made Springsteen speak so,

662
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,680
so clearly and so rings so true
to me for so many years.

663
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,320
He's still just as talented as
he was eating.

664
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Stop being one of the greatest
singer songwriters and

665
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,880
performers in American history
just because I don't understand,

666
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,080
you know, just because I don't
relate to it the same in the

667
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,400
same way.
But I fundamentally changed and

668
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,600
all of a sudden, you know, I
relate a little bit more to, you

669
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,680
know, the little bit more of a
different type of genre, a

670
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,640
different type of musician or
different, you know, a different

671
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120
type of conversation.
And maybe my conversations a

672
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,880
little bit.
Maybe what I'm relating to is

673
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,120
more on, you know, I'm just
trying to, you know, I'm, I'm,

674
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,560
I'm swamped and I'm trying to
find a way to.

675
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,720
Enjoy all the.
Moments in the chaos that I have

676
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:03,680
in my life and find people who
manifest that idea, this idea of

677
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,360
exhaustion, but still wanting to
fight on the feeling of more

678
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,360
exciting to excited to build
something new.

679
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,040
The the building.
The feeling of creativity and

680
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,920
the feeling of fun.
Finding something fun for the

681
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200
news time for the for the first
time or really making a

682
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,840
breakthrough on something for
the first time.

683
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:24,600
So all this is to say that these
this concept, this Jewish, you

684
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,280
know, this Jewish concept of a
seum of this commitment, not

685
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,720
just to.
Learning new information and.

686
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:35,400
Processing information, but also
a commitment to revisiting it as

687
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,680
we go through our lives.
I don't think obviously

688
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,520
shouldn't just obviously it does
apply to Judaism, at least for

689
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,520
me, but it could apply to
everyone for literally anything.

690
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,480
And I think that we'd all be
doing ourselves a bigger favour,

691
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,960
a huge favour, if we're able to.
Really, just keep an.

692
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Open mind and understand that
just because something didn't

693
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,560
speak to us once before doesn't
mean it never will again.

694
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:10,760
Anyway, Jimmy Kimmel got fired
or what Was it indefinitely

695
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200
suspended?
Which doesn't sound too good if

696
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,840
I was.
Indefinitely.

697
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Suspended.
I wouldn't be thrilled and.

698
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,760
I'm trying to figure out the
best way to put.

699
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,240
This which is coming out of
151015 years of cancer culture

700
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,040
and.
I don't even think I.

701
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Heard what Jimmy Kimmel said.
I'm not even going to pretend

702
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,280
to, you know, be a fan of it or
not.

703
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,000
I don't actually know almost
anything about Jimmy Kimmel.

704
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,840
I've the only I've only heard
his name in the last couple of

705
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,120
years.
Nothing I've ever heard from him

706
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,160
was.
Particularly funny.

707
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,800
My understanding what I've heard
is that he was.

708
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,200
Actually, you know, funnier.
You know, prior to the whole

709
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:59,440
woke era, but he's not now.
And.

710
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,600
And he apparently got cancelled.
First, you know, he got he got

711
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,760
fired for or Disney said or ABC
said that they're that they're

712
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,360
not, that they're suspending his
show after some insensitive

713
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,800
remarks about Charlie Kirk and
the MAGA movement and whatever

714
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,240
it was.
And I don't have too many

715
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,360
thoughts on this.
I'm actually extremely,

716
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:27,040
extremely disappointed.
So disappointed in the the

717
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,080
people.
In the.

718
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,720
Administration right now, the
Trump administration for trying

719
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:39,120
to crack down and have
government censor government

720
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,320
censorship when it comes to
speech, obviously other than

721
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,800
inciting violence or whatever
doesn't, you know, whatever's

722
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,960
not included in the first right
in the 1st Amendment rather.

723
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:53,960
But we just went through this
for so long, for so many years,

724
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,560
right?
I don't think that the Trump

725
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,880
administration or any government
administration should tell a

726
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,600
talk show.
Host or a late.

727
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,240
Night show host or anyone in you
know anyone in any kind of

728
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:11,280
private industry what to do with
their employees and by the way,

729
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,200
on the other hand.
If Disney decided.

730
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,880
On their own or ABC decided on
their own.

731
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,320
Hey, man, that was a really not
I didn't even again, I didn't

732
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,520
even know what he said.
But hey man, that was a really

733
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,320
not cool thing to say.
And you know, I really don't

734
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,520
think that you're the kind of
right fit that we want to have

735
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,800
in our environment.
Obviously we know that Disney

736
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,240
does not have such moral
quandaries, you know, and such

737
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,440
and such internal debate.
All they care about is obviously

738
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,400
making sure that the
administration in power likes

739
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,360
them enough to allow.
Them.

740
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,640
To keep on making money and not
give them a hard time and not

741
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,440
affect the bottom line, which I
get and it's totally.

742
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,520
Fair.
But still, end of the day, you

743
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,840
know, like I I don't think I
don't think that is considered

744
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,600
getting cancelled if you're
fired for saying something

745
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,760
stupid.
I think that if you're now, if

746
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,080
other now, if there's almost
like a systematic, a systematic,

747
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,280
you know, conjoined effort to
make sure that not only your

748
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,000
5:00 but you can never get
another job again.

749
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,800
I think that might be something
else.

750
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,680
And that might be another
conversation to have.

751
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,680
But.
I don't know, I kind of feel

752
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,920
like.
It's in everyone's right.

753
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,520
If I was working with someone
and they started celebrating

754
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Charlie Kirk dying, you know,
getting dying, I'm sorry,

755
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,120
Getting murdered, getting
executed in broad daylight in

756
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,680
front of thousands of people,
I'm sorry to put it.

757
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,080
Dying the.
First way he was executed and

758
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,360
murdered in front of thousands
of people.

759
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,280
And someone was.
Celebrating that, I'd be like,

760
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,320
hey, man, I don't want to work
with you and I'm entitled to say

761
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,480
I don't want to work with you,
man.

762
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,280
Like that's really, really not
cool.

763
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,400
And like, are you allowed free
speech?

764
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,760
Sure.
Say whatever you want.

765
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,920
I don't want you in my business.
I don't want you working for me.

766
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,160
I don't want you working with
me.

767
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,560
I don't.
I don't have to give you my

768
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,160
business and I think that.
I think that if Disney, you

769
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,600
know, and.
Obviously, Disney not saying

770
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,320
this out of some kind of like
moral high ground or some kind

771
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,880
of emotional place.
Where they?

772
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,840
Cared so much about who Charlie
Kirk was.

773
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,880
They're again protecting
themselves, but.

774
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,720
I think it's just it's I.
Mean it's been so crazy going on

775
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:29,360
social media and seeing on
Variety how explosive the

776
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,760
response to Jimmy Kimmel getting
fired is when we literally, I

777
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,440
mean, think about everything
everyone that got cancelled over

778
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,200
the last 10-15 years.
Think about everyone that lost a

779
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,600
job, that lost that, that every
actor, every writer, every,

780
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,320
every person on social media at
home that was just minding their

781
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,840
own business and just said
something in their own time and

782
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,680
again.
If a company.

783
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,560
If a private company feels that
they don't want to work with

784
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,880
that person, they don't have to
work with that person that you

785
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,560
go both ways, right.
And just like I believe the

786
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,600
government censorship should not
be allowed.

787
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,640
You know, I I was really, really
done.

788
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,240
Quite, quite.
What's the?

789
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:17,760
Word for it when it's like so.
Out there so blatantly by the

790
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,760
Biden administration, you don't
want to, we don't want to set

791
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,640
this precedent that no matter
who's in power, they're just

792
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,760
going to be silencing other
voices and deporting people

793
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,560
because of things that they say
or things that they believe.

794
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,560
And I mean that that that's
that's playing the same game and

795
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,080
you're falling to the same
stick.

796
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,840
And and I know that I know that
power is enticing, but it also

797
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,120
shows, you know, I've been a
little deenfranchised with the

798
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,440
system.
I really thought that there was

799
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,480
going to be.
Change I always I really

800
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,960
thought.
There's going to be, you know,

801
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,480
change in in American Society
and American culture.

802
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,880
And, you know, I mean, even in I
have to say this because I think

803
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,680
it's really important, even all
this Israel stuff for people

804
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,920
trying to silence people that
are critics of Israel.

805
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,000
It doesn't help.
It does not help.

806
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,120
Engage in the conversation,
engage in the argument.

807
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,600
Don't get someone deported
because they'd say free

808
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,200
Palestine.
Don't fire someone because they

809
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,280
say that they that that Israel's
committing A genocide.

810
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,720
Have a conversation.
By the way, again, you could

811
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,200
fire them if it's a private
business.

812
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,240
Do you think don't have the
government come after you?

813
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,320
Don't have the don't have ICE
knocking on your door.

814
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,760
Don't have the Trump, don't have
the FBI, you know, break into

815
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,880
your house for.
A meme that you sent?

816
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Come on.
You know, I feel like we're

817
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,480
better than that.
And even though I feel that way

818
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,160
at the moment, it doesn't look
like that.

819
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,200
I guess the only positive things
I could say about it is that

820
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,440
there's been an enormous amount
of right of right leaning people

821
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,480
pushing back on some of the
exact things that we're talking

822
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,440
about now.
And I forgot, I think it was

823
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Dave Smith.
And I know, I know that right

824
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,400
now invoking his name would
cause a rather vitriolic

825
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,480
reaction.
And that's OK.

826
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,400
But I think that the guy has, I
think the guy's entitled to his

827
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,800
opinion.
I think he's, you know, I don't

828
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,520
agree with him about Israel
specifically, even though a lot

829
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,720
of the things that he says, I,
I, I, I couldn't understand

830
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:16,840
where he's coming from.
But I think that he's really

831
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,520
smart with a lot, a lot of
different things.

832
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,240
And he's super, super articulate
and eloquent and really, really

833
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,520
dynamic and smart guy.
He's like, you're going to see

834
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,000
this is going to be used to just
clamp down on free speech like

835
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,720
Charlie Kirk's death.
Charlie Kirk, the guy that

836
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,120
wanted free speech, that wanted
conversation, that wanted to

837
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,080
welcome anyone to have any kind
of point of view that they had,

838
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,360
and we'll talk about it.
In his name.

839
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,720
Free speech is getting shut
down.

840
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,200
He's like, you'll see.
They all end up the same and

841
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,440
unfortunately I guess I guess it
looks that way.

842
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,840
I guess we'll call it there for
the night.

843
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,280
This was good.
I haven't done a solo episode in

844
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,200
in months so this was fun.
As always any feedback feel free

845
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,600
to reach out.
Going to have some more guests

846
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,120
for you coming up.
And as always, love you all and

847
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,240
have a good night.
Bye.