#123: Adam Friedman / Breathwork / Photography / Simulation and Reality

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together

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Stout but I.
Normal.

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I got, I actually get, I get
relief from hanging out with

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people in a casual way.
So I had people over last night

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to watch UFC.
Oh nice.

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It's just like it evaporated it.
It's crazy, like hanging out

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with 10 people made my stress go
away.

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I almost had a breakdown before
I came here.

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Yeah, and I almost cancelled.
Not because of you, just because

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I had like crazy stress.
What's on your mind?

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Everything life, you know, like
stuff in particular, but I don't

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really.
It's not that I don't want to

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share.
I just, I don't want to open.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I was like, there's no way.

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I'm like, I know this is going
to be so much fun.

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I already started.
Oh, you started.

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Oh, OK, so let's start.
I'm sorry, but no, no worry.

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But yeah.
Oh, you have like a professional

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thing?
Oh no, it's just a nap.

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You get it too.
Hello and welcome back to Fe to

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Fry.
What is a fry?

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Cheers, brother.
Hi, dude.

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I'm sorry we're doing this.
Yeah, Took a couple of months,

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but.
Yeah, let's do it for sure.

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We're doing it.
So you had a lot of your minds

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over the weekend, too?
Both of us did, Yeah.

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Where do you what?
And you don't want to go into

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it.
But he described the sensations.

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Dread, just dread.
Yeah, I was I was having great

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morning and then just like life
ponders and my brain and

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overthinking the you know, the
machine was overworking and and

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I also started to feel felt feel
it in my body actually, you

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know, like just like heaviness
and like can control of my

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breathing.
And I was like, OK, I know I'll

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just I'm going I'm going to go
to FV.

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It's going to be great.
And already just like going on

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the car, being in the car,
starting the car, starting

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driving.
Oh this is going to be so much

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fun.
It changes.

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It changes everything.
Doesn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think motion helps.

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I think like when like that's
why like whenever I have a ton

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of my mind, I love to go for a
walk and I'll even talk it out

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to myself.
Like I'll even say out loud like

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all right, man, what's going
like?

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What do we have going on over
here?

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Because like this is not like we
cannot sit like this for too

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long, you know, like, do you?
I've come to recognize over the

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years the sensations and for the
most part realize what's caught.

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Like, you know, for example, if
I feel like I'm not being

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creative or I'm not working on
something that like is important

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to me, like writing or music or
exercise or whatever, I get, I

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get down and I feel it.
But it's a type of down that's

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like, it's a, it's almost like
its own flavour, its own time

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of, of like its own, its own
flavour of a feeling.

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And I'm like, oh, I know that
feeling.

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That's the feeling of me not
being productive.

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If I sit down now and I write
for 20 minutes, I'll probably

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feel a little better.
And I recognize that, you know,

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and then there are times where
it's a different type of feeling

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and I try to force it and I try
to resolve it with another type

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of action and it doesn't work as
well, you know, you know what

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I'm talking about.
Do you, do you find that you

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have that kind like you come to
recognize like different parts

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of your like when you have ups
and downs like where they come

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from?
Yeah, yeah.

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And I think to to your point
also that like being in motion I

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guess helps or like doing
something creative or something

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like that.
I thought about in the past.

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And I think it's that stress is
one thing, but like let's say

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anxiety if that's what we're
talking about or I don't know.

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Yeah, sure.
But it's a part of stress can

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be, I think it's, and I think I
told you this already, like we

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spoke about it maybe the last
time we hung.

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And however you you speak
English is is that it's kind of

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like an alarm system, like
anxiety.

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I read it somewhere, I can't
remember where, but it Rea it

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resonated with me.
It's like anxiety is kind of

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like, Oh, something is not in
alignment with you for you, You

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know, it can be your work, it
can be your relationships,

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right?
It can be social, it can be the

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way you consume stuff, right?
Your your relationship with

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coffee, whatever it is, it can
be small things.

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It's things that you're you're
uncomfortable with yourself

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about.
Yeah.

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And sometimes just maybe not
thinking about it and doing and

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being in motion, it's a way to
to deal with it.

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And that can be like putting
something under the rug.

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Oh.
You think so?

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Maybe, Yeah.
Like if you have something in

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your life, let's say you know
the company that you work for,

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right?
I'm just making it up right now.

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Company that you work for is
going to is gonna I don't know

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what's it called, not break a
leg, not.

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Go go out of business.
Yeah, thank you, but you got my

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mind.
I got it, yeah.

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I got you gonna go bankrupt, but
you don't want to think about it

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because you don't want to think
about, you know, the.

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On your job and what that means.
Everything so just like you're

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putting it away and you know,
you're playing squash.

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Yeah, you're playing squash.
You're going, you're going

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golfing.
So you're making yourself feel

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good, but also that's not good.
Yeah.

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So, so I think it's it's like
about being in alignment and

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like being able.
And the more you're going to not

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listen to those alarms, those
sirens calling right, physical,

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mental, it's going to get worse.
And sometimes it's also going to

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manifest probably physically,
right, because stress when it

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accumulates, it's it's going to
it's going to do something

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right.
It's going to eventually it's

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going to show you Hey, notice
something you.

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Need to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I carry it in my.

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I literally feel it like in in
between my rib, like where like

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I guess my lower esophagus, like
upper chest, like I feel it

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tense and I carry it like right
above my shoulders by like my

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lower neck area.
And like I, I, I, I come to

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recognize it kind of like weight
or heaviness.

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You know, when I'm when I'm
really stressed and like I

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haven't realigned, you know, or
if it's out of my control to

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realign at the moment, you know,
like, yeah, if you're waiting

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for a paycheck and you know, you
know, it's going to come in a

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week, but like, it feels like
forever and you have bills right

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now.
Like there's not much you can do

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for a week about it, you know?
I mean, you know, so for.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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But that that's, that's actually
a really good example showing

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that it's something that it's,
it's going to be OK, but it

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still dawns on you, right.
Like, or if that makes sense,

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right, That it's just, it's
hard, but and I have to control

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it.
Yeah, right.

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Yeah.
By breathing or moving or

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whatever.
Breathing helps a lot too.

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Yes.
Have you been going lately to

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the?
No, you know what?

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I'm going to say that it's
because I'm, I was.

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I'm going to say on the surface,
it's because I feel like I

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haven't been able to.
I'm not ready to go back, but

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the truth is that I think that
I'm not ready to deal with the

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percussions of what I'm going to
find.

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You know, I know it's going to
cause me to make choices and

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decisions that I've been pushing
off and, you know, consider

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things that I've been like
keeping, you know, keeping away

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for now.
Partly because I have so much

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going on that I feel like I have
enough to juggle.

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I have to like, wait for this to
all cool down a little bit.

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And then that's why I was
excited to try to trip yesterday

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because I wanted to kind of take
the time, like on a quiet

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afternoon with no distractions
and anything like that.

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And just, you know, sit with it
for for a while.

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Ended up being so folk.
I ended up being too focused on

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what I'm not experiencing that I
ended up missing the whole

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experience.
Yeah, exactly what I could.

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I could have spent six hours
just thinking and enjoying, you

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know, and I was, I was so
focused on is this, is this

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right?
You had expectations.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

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I had expectations.
That's that's fine.

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But yeah, but yeah, so I haven't
gone back because of that, but I

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found that there's two types of
breath work that I try to do

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that I know of, right.
The one, the one that we're

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talking about is the, you know
the term, I think, but like

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where you kind of get yourself
into a psychedelic state where

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like.
Holotropic.

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Holotropic.
Reading or There's a lot of

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names, but the the what the name
I like is.

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Called.
Yeah, You want to describe it

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the way it works.
Holotropic in in short words,

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and you know, try to sum it up,
it's hyperventilation.

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You're trying to hyperventilate
and.

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Does hyperventilate get more
oxygen to rain or less?

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More oxygen into the into the
body.

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OK, Access actually, right,
That's tingly.

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On.
Your yeah, your extremities,

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you're exactly, you're depriving
your extremities of oxygen and

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then your cramping.
And then some say it's also, it

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can be not the best for you.
But I think really that's an

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extreme.
Really, if you're, if you're

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intensely doing it and you're
doing it a lot, it might cause,

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I don't know, like newer, like
neural stuff, you know, because

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you're training the body to, to
cramp in specific ways, right,

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by breathing.
And that that's not, doesn't

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sound like it's a healthy thing
to do all the time, right?

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But listen, they're worse.
I smoke cigarettes so that

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that's probably worse, but it's,
it's great.

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It's great.
I I think I told you the first

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time I did it, I I just
couldn't.

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Like, I couldn't stop crying.
Really.

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Yeah.
Bears Niftak.

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How do you say that?
Yeah, the wells, the wells open

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the.
Wells kind of open.

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I couldn't stop crying and also
I felt my whole body like

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cramping.
But then opening it was it was

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beautiful.
Honestly it was really fun and

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liberating also.
When When was this?

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Three years ago, that's.
Your first time trying it?

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Yeah.
First time trying whole Tropic

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breathing.
A couple years into living here.

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Yes.
And what else were you in your

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life when you were doing that?
Like what was like, what was

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your, what was the state that
you were in at that point?

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Oh, very confused.
That was very lost, very

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confused.
But also like, I love it, but

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also it's amazing.
Yeah.

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We're talking about the the
birds.

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Yeah, for the listeners.
This bag they they we have we

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have keeps flying around
Bluebirds Yeah like it's it's

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amazing back I could just hang
out back here and look at birds

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all day.
Nice.

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Crazy.
Yeah, I do.

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Actually.
You have a.

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Small.
I have the small zoo that's

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actually great.
It's really cool.

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Iguanas, the cats, the birds,
the lizards, Squirrels, the

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lizards, the possums, the
possums come back here.

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Possums are good for you by the.
Way I've heard that, but they're

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scary.
They they look scary because

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they look dead yeah right.
And the play dead.

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But The thing is the nothing
venomous or is it venom?

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Yeah, venomous or poisonous?
Actually, not nothing, but most

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things can't hurt them.
They're immune, right?

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And they also, there was one
more, there was one more thing

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that they're they're really good
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against pests and stuff.
They're like they, they're kind

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of like a dead thing, but
they're actually good to living

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stuff.
Yeah, they just freaked me out

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when I'm hanging out back here
at night and, you know, just

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like walk.
They're cute, they're so small.

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They look like, no, they're not
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They look cute.
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The first time I saw one, I was
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this is.
Like I don't even know what I'm

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supposed to even Google.
Like I don't know what it's.

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I don't even know what I I never
see anything like what do I have

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in my?
Backyard What is this?

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Yeah, I was like, I think it's a
possum.

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And I was like, I don't know
what that is.

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Yeah, but that's awesome.
So you were confused.

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Yeah, I was confused.
I was, I found, I found yoga and

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I found psychedelics and
breathing and I was on Khazar

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Abe Chuva, which in English you
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You're turning to yourself.
Finding maybe or finding God

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right like this.
There's this term.

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So I had a lot of questions, you
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obviously, because we don't have
the the answers.

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But back then I was looking for
answers, you know, in a lot of

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places and the yoga practice,
the movement and the breathing

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and the philosophy, the
scriptures even sure, different

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stuff.
And also and, and mainly

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movement.
But then breath kind of came in

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very strong and then all Tropic
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That was the first time that I
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amazing.
I felt it was.

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Amazing to cry, by the way, it
feels amazing to cry without the

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without the walls up, you know,
because most of the time when we

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have our walls up, you know,
we're depriving our body of what

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it really needs.
And crying is like an actual

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like it's a release, you know,
like it's a built up.

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It's a built.
Someone told me this and it was

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so beautiful.
All of like the great things in

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life are build up and then a
release moment yes you know, and

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whether that's emotional,
whether that's physical, whether

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that's even like expectations
and mentally, you know even.

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Bringing a baby to the world,
there's contraction and whoop.

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Whoa, right.
Or death, maybe even.

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I don't know if they've
experienced that.

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Not that I can remember my own

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birthright, but but yeah, it's
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Yeah, and including and
including this.

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But it's amazing.
But it's cool.

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It's cool.
It's what I love these concepts

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that are that could be applied
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it's a, it's a general like
statement and like you could

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look anywhere.
You could look in, you know,

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nature, you could look in.
I do too.

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Yeah.
It's, it's so cool, you know,

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and that's one.
Of them it's like truths, right?

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Sometimes it's just like
passwords.

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But.
But I like it, you know, it's

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like something that resonates
and it sounds good, right.

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So, yeah, I I like it too.
I feel you.

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Yeah, but I haven't, I actually
haven't went on a breath

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workshop in a long, long time or
like a class or whatever.

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Or with my own life.
I mean, I do breathe obviously

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involuntary every day, sometimes
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I choose, you know, to take a
breath like right now.

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But you kind of reminded me
going to those classes.

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Yeah, that you, you shared about
your experience.

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And I was like, maybe I should
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And then what I do now sometimes
there's a great YouTube video by

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Wim Hof.
It's like in 11 minutes, I know

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a lot of different techniques, I
have a lot of books and but that

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11 minutes video on YouTube is
just great.

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I'll.
Put the link.

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I want to put the link in the
Yeah you just so people so you

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can find it.
Amazing.

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That's that's going to heal the
world.

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Just lay down there.
He tells you what to say.

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Wim Hof, Wim Hof, you know, you
know about him.

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No, the Iceman.
No, I'm not going to go into

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into it too much because I'm not
an expert about him.

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But he also has a very
interesting book.

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But in general, he's a very
special person that was able.

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He's powering himself via
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Like that's his thing.
He was able to prove under under

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tests, under lab tests, right.
He was injected with cholera, I

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think, or with like a specific
what not what a type of a

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disease, Yeah.
Rather.

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Maybe it's that if if I'm not
mistaken, Yeah.

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And with breathing, he was able
to to like or.

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Yeah, and it's proven.
I'm not sure if it was Colorado,

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Yeah, but he was Yeah.
And then he was always not

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always.
He was also able to teach other

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ten students and also to lead
them through testing.

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Wow.
Yeah.

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So not only it was replica, not
only could he do it, he could

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replicate.
It with other people yes exactly

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and also to keep his body warm
you know in freezing water.

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His thing is cold water and
breathing and taking people, I

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believe, naked.
Yeah, I mean, it's breath in the

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yoga is.
Everything.

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Breath is everything I try to
get my students.

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Life force.
It is life force.

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I try to get my students
actually at the beginning of

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classes because I totally
understand what it's like for

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them.
But like the beginning of class,

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you know, I have them at 4:00 or
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late part of the day.
They're in school since 8:00 in

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the morning.
They're either bouncing off the

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walls or out of there exhausted,
you know, and and I get them.

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They're they're fatigued, right.
So a lot of times I'll put on

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like this, it's called non
sleep, deep rest breathing that

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Andrew Huberman does.
And it's 10 minutes and we don't

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usually do it all 10 minutes.
You just do 3 or 4 minutes just

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to like get like them, to be
just a little like recalibrated

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is what I'll call it.
Because I can sit there and yell

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at them all I want.
I can sit there and threaten to

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throw them out all I want.
But like at the end of the day,

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they're wired.
They're wired.

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Yeah, exactly.
What are you going to do about

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it?
So I'm like, OK, we're all just

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going to take a couple of
minutes and just take deep

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breaths and just recalibrate
ourselves and turn off the

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light.
And we do that and it and the,

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and the quality of the
performance of the class shoots

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up.
I mean, like, it is crazy, you

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know, and, and all it is is.
And anyway, and I was like, if

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you don't want to do it, please
just leave because I don't want

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anyone to talk.
And like, you don't have to do

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it.
I'm not making you do it.

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Take a 5 minute walk because
that might be what you need

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instead of breathing right.
You may need to stretch your

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legs a little bit, you know, and
then come back.

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And the people that stay are
like that.

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You could see they're just like,
they're back home again, Like

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they're back in their heads
again.

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They're so used to just being
responsive and jumping around.

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And, you know, and your high
schoolers, I mean, they're

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filled with everything, you
know, You know, And it's so, so.

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But when my students like, why
does this work?

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And I'm like, well, think about
everything.

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I was like, if you're scared,
someone tells you breathe.

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If you're hurt, someone tells
you breathe through the pain.

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If you're trying to go to sleep,
someone tells you, what are you

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supposed to do?
Take you know you're supposed to

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breathe a certain.
Way it's it's really there's

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this book by Dylan Werner.
Dylan Werner is a famous yoga

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teacher on Instagram.
Very famous is he?

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He's the opposite of Instagram
influencer.

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He's a very, very.
What's it?

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Called formal.
Not formal, I lost the word, but

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it's fine.
He's very into yoga and a lot of

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research, OK, but also the
scientific side and the

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neurological side of how
breathing effects our body and

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our brain.
And he wrote a book, The

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Illuminated Breath.
OK, great book.

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And in the book, he, he says he
puts in words in a really

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beautiful way that it's the
basically the steering wheel of

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our nervous system, the central
nervous system.

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Right.
So, Paris, are you?

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Are you familiar with
parasympathetic and sympathetic

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systems?
I feel with the terms but not

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off the top of my head.
Rest and digest and fight or

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flight, OK, right.
So fight or flight is stress,

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right?
And stress doesn't have to be

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negative, right?
It's just stress, right?

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Cortisol is it might be to fight
someone who's coming to attack

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me, a grizzly bear, right?
Or it can be.

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I need to OK, I need to to do
this thing right now.

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I need to clean the house in
stress because I really want

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Yeah, it's a good it can.
It's useful.

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Right, it's a good motivator.
Yeah, exactly.

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And rest and digest is, you
know, procreation and having

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doing life and good stuff, you
know.

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So we need both to have a
balance and the breath is the

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steering wheel.
But most of the time, no one

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teaches us how to breathe.
Yeah, right.

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No one tells us.
Oh, you can choose to breathe

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sometimes, like you said.
Wait, are you angry?

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Are you going to cry?
Which is OK, but maybe breathe.

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Take 5 breaths.
Are you are you getting angry?

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Right.
Try to control your nervous

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system.
Try.

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In Hebrew, there's a saying.
I'm going back to, to passwords

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because truths.
I, I yeah, yeah.

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Isn't.
That strong, he's the person

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that could conquer his emotions,
desires.

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Yes.
His desires is is instincts, Not

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instincts, desires, desires.
OK, sure, maybe.

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Yeah.
Person.

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Yeah.
Or yeah, I would say.

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Desires.
Sure.

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We'll call that.
Yeah, maybe there's a better

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word, but I think that's a good
way to put it, you know, because

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and that those desires can be
maybe to get angry with

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something or to get sad or
something, or to get extremely

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happy.
I don't think we should be

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monks, but sometimes they take
over us, right?

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And then, I mean, I can say for
myself, sometimes I feel like I

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have in the past, right?
It's something's taking over me.

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And I'm like those kids in
school, you know, they're

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they're not able to wait.
Maybe this is good for me to

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learn right now or maybe to
listen and doing this.

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So that book is also really
great.

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You can also put it.
I'm going to put the link on.

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Yeah, Jeremiah after that is to
keep track.

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So we have that, we have that
book, and we have the.

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Wim Hof, I'm not sure what's the
name of his book I forgot.

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We'll find it.
We'll be pretty easy to find.

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Yeah.
That's awesome.

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That's awesome in yoga.
And you and you and you looked

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and you looked into yoga.
I don't know anything about

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yoga.
I did 2 yoga teacher teacher

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trainings so I'm certified
twice.

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What's that?
What's that entail?

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Is that like?
The truth is, well, if you want

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to go into it, I'm.
Curious.

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I don't know.
Yeah.

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Yeah, there, there.
I'll tell you what came up right

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down to my mind.
So it's actually the the Western

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world kind of took over yoga
with capitalism in a bad way,

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but also in a good way that it
brings this beautiful practice

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to a lot of more people, right?
Most people think of yoga as

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this movement thing, right?
It's just, oh, it's a workout,

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but it's not.
But listen, I if like if you

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think that yoga is just a
workout, but it brings joy and

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happiness and relaxation to your
life, I'm happy for you.

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More, more, more power to you.
Yeah, right.

451
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,480
But I live.
I like to to try to research

452
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,000
more stuff be.
So you know.

453
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,160
Where the very self critical
say.

454
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,720
Again, you know it, started
Bikram.

455
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,960
Yeah, Bikram, Bikram.
Bikram.

456
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,440
Have you seen the the
documentary?

457
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,400
No, it's a very bad, good, bad
documentary.

458
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:32,320
Bikram was is an India guy that
brought he's kind of stole or

459
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,960
was inspired by some Ashtanga
and some different practices and

460
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:44,080
then made this thing Bikram yoga
very hot closed doors and very

461
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:50,320
military like 1-2 poses 3-4 and
it kind of it became a cult.

462
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,800
There's a whole documentary
about it.

463
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,880
He's now he doesn't live in the
United States anymore.

464
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,040
He made a lot of money and also
harassed people and touched

465
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,400
people and whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

466
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,080
It's not good like that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

467
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,800
But he, he really brought yoga
to the West, like big time.

468
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,920
Yeah.
You really helped it.

469
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,520
So yoga.
I don't teach yoga anymore.

470
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,520
I did teach in a couple of.
Spanios but you think.

471
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,000
Very, very.
To teach yoga.

472
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:16,520
Yeah.
Wait, what?

473
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,520
Was the certification like so
you had to take classes?

474
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,880
On that I did, I did the first
course I did online, which was

475
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,640
meh, you know, I just did
because I wanted to Yeah.

476
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,920
Like an in person experience
would always be better for you.

477
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,800
Like you want to experience
stuff, right?

478
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,160
Yeah, online is really just for
the certificate and to I want to

479
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,240
say for the.
Yeah, for your own faith, your

480
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,480
own not knowledge or.
Not or like I can do this

481
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,000
confidence, confidence.
Thank you.

482
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,240
This is an interesting episode.
It's in a Hebrewish.

483
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:47,680
It's great.
I love.

484
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,600
It because a lot of these ideas,
by the way, what I love about

485
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,560
like using particular words,
especially in Hebrew, is that

486
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,800
Hebrew is a language where
context makes all the

487
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,480
difference.
And so like you can have two

488
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,600
words for the same thing, but
they're done in totally

489
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,600
different ways.
You know that.

490
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,400
And so like it's about the
amount of intention that you

491
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,320
what kind of attention you're
putting behind the action.

492
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,600
And it could change the entire
word like bita kon is a

493
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,000
confidence, like in a, in a
particular way.

494
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,960
But there's other words for like
faith and there's other words

495
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,080
for like, you know, similar
concepts, but just in different,

496
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:26,640
like different applications of
that idea, you know?

497
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,800
So it's fun to like use
particular words to understand

498
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,120
like why, why you're using that,
you know, and for your own comp.

499
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,600
Yeah.
So it's cool to I, I think it's

500
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,440
great to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

501
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000
Probably.
I like it too though.

502
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,000
We have, we can, we can do that.
We can do the 2 languages.

503
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,240
Yeah, yeah.
It's cool.

504
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,680
So so gave you.
So gave you.

505
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,160
And then the 2nd and the second
part.

506
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,560
The second certification was in
person.

507
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,240
Yeah, I did that in Mexico.
I'm also as a photographer, I

508
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,040
went to take photos for them, so
I was able to also get paid to

509
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,040
do photography and and to
indulge in the teacher training,

510
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,040
which was great.
It was so relaxing.

511
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,800
It was a.
Was it corporate kind of thing

512
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,280
or not really?
Do you do corporate kind of

513
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,040
things?
What?

514
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,720
Like what do you mean?
Like what company?

515
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,600
Like how you place?
Corporate events, photography,

516
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,120
some not, not even.
I have the full time job so

517
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:16,040
sometimes I have like gigs on
the side, but it's not that

518
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,160
often.
Yeah, do.

519
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,040
You like them?
The the side.

520
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,200
Drunk gigs, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I have a lot of like

521
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,960
couple couple for like
engagements, yeah, yeah, or

522
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,400
maternity and stuff like that,
whether it's friends or or I

523
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,240
have a friend that she's a
producer.

524
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,840
So I work, you know, she has
clients and I work Cool.

525
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,720
OK.
So that's always fun because

526
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,280
it's always, it's around like
such happy events, you know,

527
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,840
like proposal, dude, every time
I go to shoot a proposal,

528
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,920
there's like crazy excitement,
you know, like the setup of the

529
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,760
whole.
Then people come to set up the

530
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,840
the thing and then they come and
you can take your like your

531
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,360
cheeks hurt, you know, because
you see them and it's like a

532
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,920
main core event in their life.
Like he's proposing to her.

533
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,680
Whatever.
Right.

534
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:10,760
And and just so happy every time
I go, like my yeah, my cheeks

535
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,080
hurt.
It's so much fun.

536
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Yeah.
And, and weddings and stuff like

537
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,120
that.
It's just, it's only, yeah, it's

538
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,240
a boost, of course, of course.
But on the other hand also the

539
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,240
after, you know, in photography
you also, you edit after.

540
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,800
And sometimes that that can be
delightful because it's like

541
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,640
wow, art, you know, beautiful
photos and, and editing and

542
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,600
filtering.
But sometimes it can be also

543
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,440
just like work.
When so my wife and I for our

544
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,200
wedding photographer.
I didn't really care at the

545
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960
time, although I still don't.
I didn't super, super care, but

546
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,760
you could see with different
photographers that they have

547
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,600
different styles and like
recurring, like you can look at

548
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,600
10 weddings that they shot and
like you can kind of see it like

549
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,960
almost like a language, you
know, like the same type of

550
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,680
style.
That's like throughout the whole

551
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,560
thing, you know, and I got you
get to invite like so you know,

552
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:10,160
do you is that does that?
Like for example, I'm trying,

553
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,360
I'm trying to find the best way
to ask this when I play, when

554
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,800
I'm now, when I'm practicing
guitar, then I'm trying to be

555
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,640
creative on it.
I'll practice something new and

556
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,960
I'll find myself getting stuck
in that like doing that same

557
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,160
kind of riff, right?
Like that same kind of motion or

558
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,880
style.
And so on one hand it's cool and

559
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,760
it's my own thing.
On the other hand, it almost

560
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,320
gets like autumn, like it
becomes default.

561
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,320
It becomes like thoughtless, you
know?

562
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,560
You know, I'm saying like, it's
not, it's not intentional.

563
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,680
It's just like, oh, there's now
a new riff that I like, a new

564
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,040
style, kind of a riff that I'm
going to do.

565
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,720
Billy Strings is talking about
how that's why he still has like

566
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280
music teachers because he's
like, I find myself especially

567
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,000
I'm doing shows that I kind of
do similar thing and I kind of

568
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,320
get stuck.
In and he's trying to

569
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,960
breakthrough those.
Yeah, he's trying to

570
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,280
breakthrough.
That can break new creative.

571
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,640
Grounds.
So how do you connect that to

572
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,280
what you were saying?
Because with the photography.

573
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,040
Not in photography to to like
your own sound.

574
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,680
So you're saying you're trying
to breakthrough Yes to make.

575
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,160
Something new, I get stuck, I
get stuck in, I'll find

576
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,120
something new, I'll it'll be
cool.

577
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,520
I'm not get to make a habit out
of it, right?

578
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,960
And even though it's cool and
it's my own unique thing, I'm

579
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,280
not growing, you know, like I'm
not like I'm not growing.

580
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,720
I'm not getting to the next
level.

581
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,600
You know, I think you're talking
about, and correct me if I'm

582
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,040
wrong, from what I'm
understanding, sounds like

583
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,880
you're talking about two
separate things that you know

584
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,400
that can correlate, but it's
like 1 having your own sound or

585
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,040
your own eye, your own language.
For the style and.

586
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,720
Art even talking right and then
trying to develop that thing.

587
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,480
So you're talking about those
two?

588
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,720
Yes, that's what I yeah, yeah,
but.

589
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,680
Yeah, I understand.
You right, right.

590
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,160
So what I'm asking would be, do
you think that photographers,

591
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,320
when they have like a style, is
it because they're stuck like in

592
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,320
like a habit that's like, you
know, that's something they got

593
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,720
started with and it's familiar?
Or do you think it's just the

594
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,320
style and that's just the way
they express themselves and

595
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760
these nuances within it?
That's an interesting question.

596
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,720
I think.
So I'm trying to generalize, you

597
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,600
know, like a person spins into
an an art form.

598
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,840
Let's talk about photography,
right?

599
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,600
OK, so you lift the camera, you
look into the viewfinder and

600
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,400
like the way you're seeing so
much stuff and then you're going

601
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,840
to freeze that thing.
So are you going to zoom in?

602
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,720
Are you looking deep into
details?

603
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,520
And your thing is macro?
Like are you trying to show

604
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,000
shapes or are you trying to show
like a big thing, like very wide

605
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,920
maybe, or you're trying to show
animals.

606
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,680
What, what?
And all those things, all those

607
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,920
questions.
It's it's personal preference,

608
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,280
right?
So a person would go, go and

609
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,280
capture and do I, I want to
believe what they love, you

610
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,880
know, what they like.
Usually it's like that.

611
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,880
Some people create for for other
people, right?

612
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,440
Some people create for maybe the
consumer, the viewer sometimes,

613
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040
which is also okay.
But I can tell that my own

614
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,400
experience, like I started and
friend love with photography

615
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,320
because wow, I had so much fun
to capture different stuff.

616
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,520
And I think that you can
definitely get stuck, you know,

617
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,960
and not and think maybe it's a
thing of self improvement.

618
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Maybe, you know, like you think,
Oh, this is great and you're

619
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,400
just this is, you know, my, my
photos are great.

620
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,680
Look at my photos, my photos or
you're enjoying to look at your

621
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,000
photos and you're satisfied.
I, I can tell you that I'm very

622
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,880
self critical.
And so I'm, I'm, it's very hard

623
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,760
for me to satisfy myself with my
creations a lot of times.

624
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,400
So I'm like, this can be better.
I can frame this better, the

625
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,520
lighting can be better.
Oh, I this it's a sometimes it's

626
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,240
sickness, sometimes it's a gift,
right.

627
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,880
I think all of us have it to
different extents.

628
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Yeah.
And and I think that that's

629
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,360
where it correlates what you
said earlier, right.

630
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,280
The improvement and the and the
language.

631
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,320
So also when Billy Billy strings
talks about what his guitar like

632
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,400
he already has.
And the more you go into that,

633
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,680
you know, trying to, to be
better and being self critical,

634
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,760
I think that you're developing
your own because it, it's always

635
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,520
going to be your language,
right?

636
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,400
Because it's always you
expressing.

637
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
And it's your own criticism to
your own language, too.

638
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,480
Yeah, it can be inspired, right,
by, let's say, Billy, by Doc

639
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,200
Watson, right, or John May or by
Billy King or by whatever.

640
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,360
So it it can always be inspired,
but it's always you that's going

641
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,560
to do it.
And your question was actually

642
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,680
if I think it like if you can
get stuck.

643
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Yeah, some people get stuck and
you know, oh, this is great.

644
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,400
And they don't try to develop.
So you've seen your development

645
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,120
in photography over the years.
Like you've seen, like if you

646
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800
look back at like the way I
think of it is like, I look back

647
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,320
at all poems, old poems I used
to write, you know, from five

648
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,520
years ago or even a year ago,
six months ago.

649
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,160
And I don't even recognize who
wrote this, you know?

650
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,880
Like, do you feel that way about
your picture, about your

651
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,320
photography that like you look
back and you'll be like, I did

652
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,480
that?
Like, you know, like that's not

653
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,680
like that, you know?
No, no, I, I, it's not, it's not

654
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,120
like that.
It's like who did that?

655
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840
But definitely I can see
difference, you know, like

656
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,200
that's a very amateur, amateur
photography at first, you know,

657
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,400
like I see what I was trying to
get, but it wasn't refined.

658
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,560
There are some.
So maybe in every art form there

659
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280
are rules, right?
There are basic rules like in

660
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,120
photography the rule thirds
right how to frame stuff.

661
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Or what's that?
The rule so you have a

662
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,360
rectangle.
For example I'm showing Fe my

663
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,960
phone screen black front screen.
So if you put 2 lines.

664
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Split up.
Into thirds, Yeah, 2 lines into

665
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,760
thirds and then across
horizontally and vertically,

666
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,320
right?
And then you have 4 dots in the

667
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,520
center where they connect.
So that's a rule for.

668
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,600
So with that rule thirds, you
can do a lot of different things

669
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,800
with framing.
You can play something here that

670
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,120
would be interesting.
Maybe the eye of the person.

671
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,160
Then there's clear opening over
here.

672
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,840
Or maybe you can just have I, I,
I kind of got, I need to show

673
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,880
you like, yeah, yeah, like more
stuff so it will be more clear.

674
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,480
Visual.
That's a.

675
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,720
That's a good explanation.
Though Yeah, so so then and.

676
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,640
The and the and the point is
that there's general points

677
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,040
where people look in the picture
that you're trying to capture

678
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,560
their the point eye.
So yes, that, yeah.

679
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,560
So the point is there are rules
in different art forms, right?

680
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480
And yeah, for the rule Fords, it
can be that exactly that is

681
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,080
going to attract a person's eye.
Yeah, eye, but then you want to

682
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,200
learn those so you can break
them, right.

683
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,280
There's everybody says that, but
and I think I think it's true

684
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,480
because if you if you don't even
learn the rules, never I think

685
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,840
very special stuff can be
created, very beautiful stuff

686
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,920
and think, you know, like I
never learned that you need, you

687
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,360
know, to use the rule thirds and
then you have a very special

688
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,440
perspective, which is amazing.
And that's even like more artsy

689
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,080
maybe.
Yeah.

690
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,440
And it's great.
But if you learn then I I don't

691
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,920
know, actually, I don't know.
I was trying like I was going

692
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,560
down in in the thought chain of
like what's better?

693
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,280
But I don't think there's that's
bet there's better or not.

694
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,720
It's just.
It's whatever speaks to whoever,

695
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,840
but there could be.
Yeah.

696
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,040
But I understand the concept of
you finding your way within the

697
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,440
in order to be able to be good
at something.

698
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,800
There's almost like a basic
structure.

699
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,800
And then you can choose to play
with those rules or not.

700
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,240
But like you have to understand
the way that it works to begin

701
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,440
with.
Like, you have to be able to.

702
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Yeah, I, I think so.
I'm saying make sense.

703
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,840
Yeah.
In order to be able to break the

704
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,920
rules of guitar, you have to
know the rules of guitar.

705
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Like you have to know like how
to play the game in order to

706
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,120
break the rules.
Not not really that.

707
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800
I mean, you don't think so?
No, because if you give like a

708
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,800
10 year old a guitar and you
just tell him play, you know

709
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,800
it's.
Not going to sound very good

710
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,400
though.
Maybe maybe they they might be

711
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,960
able to teach themselves to
listen right and then they have

712
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,880
no.
Idea of rules.

713
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,560
They have no idea of rules,
right?

714
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,080
And they just make sounds that
can sound good.

715
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,639
Great, that work.
Yeah, that can happen.

716
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,440
That's what I'm saying, you
know, and I'm that's.

717
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,560
How Blues happened, I guess
right And jazz, all that stuff.

718
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Blues is technically like,
musically wrong.

719
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,320
But it has rules.
But it has.

720
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,639
Rules.
It has rules, the 1st, the 4th

721
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,080
and the 5th, Yeah.
And it has like a way of how you

722
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
play it and, you know, the turn
or the turnover.

723
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,000
And it's like, so I don't know.
It's interesting though, but

724
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,639
it's it, it's also interesting
to think about that because with

725
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,360
photography, I mean, now I do
it, you know, to, to bring

726
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,239
income and money.
And sometimes I also do it for

727
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,520
fun for myself.
I want to say, I want to say I

728
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,080
kind of peaked in photography,
if that makes sense.

729
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,120
I mean, just because I choose
to, right?

730
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,080
It's like I, I, I don't, I don't
do it for fun as much, right?

731
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Because of I, you know, it
became a profession and then,

732
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160
OK, I'm, I'm doing it for money
and this and that.

733
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,760
And sometimes I still do it for
fun.

734
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,800
And that's what, that's where I
went and where I enjoy and I

735
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,760
learned some more stuff, but I'm
not, I'm not so interested in

736
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,480
learning so much more about
photography anymore.

737
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,800
I still do it for fun, but
that's where I'm, I'm, I'm good,

738
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,800
you know, I'm just having fun
with it.

739
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,400
And I'm not, I'm not trying to
be any more professional

740
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,360
anymore.
Artsy, OK.

741
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,040
But I, I do, I I do try that
with music now, you know, with

742
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,520
writing songs and with getting
better at the guitar and even

743
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,360
performing, you know, we go to
the open mic together.

744
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Yeah, and that's really fun.
That's really fun.

745
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,960
What you, you know, it's cool.
It's, I don't know if you

746
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,760
realize this or you appreciate
this to the same extent, but

747
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520
very few people I think get to
like, they're get to get paid to

748
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,760
do what they love like that, you
know, like to be a photographer.

749
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,600
And so you had a passion that
turned into work and then they

750
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,080
turned into work.
Are you happy that you like

751
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,240
that?
Like what do you, what do you

752
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,320
feel about this?
Just do it again?

753
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,160
What do you think about this?
I've heard that so many times,

754
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,240
so many people.
Every time I told them, well,

755
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,920
I'm a photographer or I like to
do for them, then that's what I

756
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,520
do.
And so everybody is not

757
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,000
everybody, but that's how it's
in my mind, you know, like, wow,

758
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,840
that's so good for you.
And so and and the question.

759
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,720
Is.
What do you think it's?

760
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,920
True.
And it's not my experience and I

761
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,080
think, I think it might be, I
think it might be sometimes

762
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,520
because I, I, I couldn't be
grateful for that, to be honest,

763
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,280
right?
Like.

764
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,200
I think it's hard to, I think
it's hard to be grateful every

765
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,800
single day from 9:00 to 5:00 to
take it and not take it for

766
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
granted at a certain point.
Right, yes, that that's one.

767
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,480
But also, maybe there were
sometimes that it's not exactly

768
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:54,080
the route that I wanted to go,
but I also never really paved a

769
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,440
route for me to go, you know,
so.

770
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,480
So at the end of the day, I'm
just, yeah, Now if you ask me,

771
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,280
I'm happy.
I'm happy where I am.

772
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,760
I'm happy.
And we, we, we.

773
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:10,760
So would you recommend to people
to have their passion be there

774
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,200
nine to five job like mixed
passion with responsibility I

775
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,240
guess is the way you can put it
if.

776
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,440
Ask it again.
Do you think that mixing the

777
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,520
passion and the fun with a
professional environment, like

778
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,800
you have to like get like work
done and like get a number of

779
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,080
things done and like blend them
together, is that I don't?

780
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,240
Think, I don't think I'm
actually a good example of that,

781
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,440
to be honest, because as I said,
like now, photography is, is a

782
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,920
means to an end for me.
OK, I still do it for fun, but

783
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,640
it's a means to an end.
It's not like, it's not like no,

784
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,400
it's a means to like to, to pay
rent.

785
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,080
You know, photography, it's I do
it to to pay rent where my

786
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,920
passion is actually music right
now.

787
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,920
So I have, you know, some dreams
and ideas about maybe, you know,

788
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,840
maybe even making money from
music, right.

789
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,800
So if I'll be able, you know,
and I have some planning and

790
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,640
some stuff that, you know, I'm
thinking about that if I will

791
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,080
pay for road and I'll be there
when, OK, maybe have a gig, you

792
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,080
know, at a bar or somewhere,
maybe even tour at one point,

793
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,080
you know, then, then maybe you
can ask me that question again

794
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,640
and I can tell you, but I don't
know, you know, I don't know.

795
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,640
But I, I, I am thinking a lot
about that.

796
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,600
There's we only have one life
and we only have one

797
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,520
opportunity.
And we kind of, it's sometimes I

798
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,760
look at it like black or white,
right?

799
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,720
And it's like we should do, I
should do what I love.

800
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,640
I'm very extreme sometimes and
sometimes I'm very stubborn and

801
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,040
like thinking that way.
But but, but there is a great,

802
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,880
you know, there is, there is an
in between and it doesn't have

803
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,280
to be an extreme.
So now I'm I'm a happy camper.

804
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,160
You know, it's not always good
and I'm stressed and sometimes

805
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,520
life gets, you know, over.
With that is life, though,

806
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000
exactly I I've kind of come to
terms with it.

807
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,800
I've come to terms with the fact
that, like in order for my life

808
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,320
to be great, there has to be
times that are hard and in order

809
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,440
for you know, like I think
that's just what I think that's

810
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,600
what it is.
I think that you don't you take

811
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,760
it for granted at a certain
point.

812
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,560
I think I really I think that's
human nature.

813
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,520
I think the human nature is that
if something we're very quick to

814
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,120
adapt to familiarity, you know,
and so in something was

815
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,680
familiar, it's very easy to take
to take it for granted and to

816
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,400
lose your appreciation for it,
you know, And like it was

817
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,040
actually interesting because I
for I probably had a three or

818
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,560
four year period where all I
listen to is Springsteen.

819
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,200
I was a huge Springsteen nut and
it really meant like the world's

820
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,560
because he really the way that
he wrote and played and

821
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,080
performed all I got would only
listen to his live shows.

822
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,040
Like the way that he performed.
Like you felt the humanity and

823
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,800
the emotion and the struggle and
the joy and the loss and the

824
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,720
pain and everything like dialed
up to 11.

825
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:04,160
Like you like you felt it
through the microphone, through

826
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,880
the you felt the the crowd.
You can feel the crowds tension,

827
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,120
you know, in the in the
recordings.

828
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,080
It's incredible, right?
Like it's really, really

829
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,320
amazing.
And you're if you're driving

830
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,160
along and you listen to, you go
listen to half an hour or the

831
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,040
full 3 hour thing and like.
Go for the whole ride, like

832
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,520
like, and you don't have to be
there like it's, it's so it's so

833
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,040
potent that it carries over
into, into a, into a recording,

834
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:31,240
which is really, really cool and
really, really rare.

835
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,560
But I was wondering, I was
thinking to myself, like this

836
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,120
guy at a certain point, I
realized like he's doing this

837
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,840
four days a week, 2 sets a
night, you know, how does he

838
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,240
keep up like that?
And he's doing the same set, you

839
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,760
know, like, don't you think like
the lyrics start to lose like,

840
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,400
you know, like, do you think
like, don't you think the lyrics

841
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,280
are to lose me?
Like I know, but.

842
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Well, as Bruce Springsteen,
yeah.

843
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,320
Tell you that yes, no, no.
But I, I, I it's.

844
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,840
I've seen, I've seen that
interview, I've seen that

845
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,560
interview, I think.
That it's something that like,

846
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,760
so I'm used to listen to 1
recording and I'm like, wow,

847
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,400
that's so amazing.
But like, was it like, you know,

848
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,080
like do you?
I, I don't like.

849
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,720
Why, why?
Why do?

850
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,160
Why do you do?
You think you can.

851
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,760
Why?
Why that level of enthusiasm for

852
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,480
that long?
I don't know, but why?

853
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,280
Why?
Why do you question it that

854
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,560
that's interesting?
I question it because when I

855
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,760
practice anything, yeah, and I
practice the same thing for a

856
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,920
really long time, I get sick of
it.

857
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,080
And if I'm making no money and
going to a different towns three

858
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,600
nights a week and playing two
sets in the same song and

859
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,080
telling the same story twice a
night.

860
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,240
And by the way, maybe I am
hooked to the telling the story

861
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,360
and watch and feeling the
interacting with the audience.

862
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,760
You know, like Jerry Garcia used
to say that the audience was a

863
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,120
bigger part of the show than the
band is.

864
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,000
The band can be incredible.
If the audience doesn't respond,

865
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
it doesn't mean anything.
Maybe, maybe it's this.

866
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,280
I'm going to be like a poetic,
you know, It's like it's love is

867
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,800
not is not enough and anything.
It's also once you you

868
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,600
understand you have love for
something, it's it's so much

869
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,520
work and devotion, right?
And you have to find more

870
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,680
develop the meaning develops and
changes and grows, right.

871
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
And a lot of artists would say,
you know, it's for the song,

872
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,880
it's for the words and then it's
for myself.

873
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,840
And that's for my wife and
that's for the audience.

874
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,880
And that's for God, right,
Whatever it is for, for each

875
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,480
their own.
And it's very interesting.

876
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,120
It's very interesting.
So I'm I'm saying it like I know

877
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,400
it, but I don't know.
But sometimes it feels like it

878
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,200
would would movement for me
sometimes doing like workouts,

879
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,360
mobility, anything that I move
my body.

880
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,120
It's the to feel better to take
care of my mental health

881
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,840
physically, to take care of
myself.

882
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,120
So I'm as as I get older, but
also because I love it and I'm

883
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,320
I'm willing to work at it, but
it's also this.

884
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,040
It means something new this.
Warrior.

885
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,720
Warrior mentality.
You know that, Kobe.

886
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,400
Kobe.
Like if you know, like everybody

887
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
knows Kobe and his thing was he
loves it.

888
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,680
So his his way of loving it was,
oh, I'm going to work the

889
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,040
hardest.
You think he didn't, you know,

890
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,320
got over it a certain point.
Like it's who wants to wake up

891
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,280
at those hours to work out and
then to train and then to play

892
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,440
and then to win and then never
try to lose.

893
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,080
And when you lose, you probably
feel the worst right to be.

894
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,760
And that's like a warrior
mentality.

895
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,240
And that's, that's kind of like
trying to be a warrior for love,

896
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,960
you know, if we're trying to be
poetic.

897
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,280
So I, I your questions.
Yeah.

898
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,720
I I I hear you.
That's a really interesting.

899
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,560
That's a really interesting
thing, thought.

900
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,800
Yeah.
Even just the notion, because I

901
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,440
guess as you're saying that the
thought that came to my mind is

902
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,040
to feel out is praying, you
know, like it's the same, it's

903
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,720
the same, it's the same prayer.
And I say 3 freaking times a day

904
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,280
for 30 years, you know, and, and
it means something different.

905
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Like it means something
different to me every single

906
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,760
time that not every single every
time I pay attention to it, it

907
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,480
means something different to me.
I can say that right.

908
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,560
Every single time that I try to
apply and translate in my head

909
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,760
the words to the context of what
my life is, I'm like, whoa, like

910
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,480
it means something totally
different now than it meant a

911
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,800
month ago, you know?
And like, I guess on a

912
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,800
day-to-day basis, the meanings
change because you're changing.

913
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,960
Yes.
So I guess it's a great answer.

914
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,280
But you're also you're you're,
you're sticking to it.

915
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,000
And that's that's the.
And you're sticking to it too.

916
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,680
That's the hardest thing to
stick to something right in the

917
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,600
in the bad and in the good right
and all of it.

918
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,680
That's what people are very
having a hard time with.

919
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680
I feel.
I feel like nowadays, or maybe

920
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,960
it's just me, I don't know, but
with with with work, I have a

921
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,600
lot of friends, you know, they
change work constantly.

922
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,800
Relationships, you know,
marriages are very hard.

923
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,600
You know, have been with the
same person.

924
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,640
Just like sticking with
something, whether sometimes

925
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,720
it's for.
I think if it's from love for

926
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:07,760
love, it would be the best.
It sounds so cliche, but that

927
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,600
probably would be the the best
thing to try and do right.

928
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,320
And and that doesn't sorry.
And that doesn't mean that it's

929
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,040
all butterflies and giggly and
fun and cozy.

930
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,480
It just means that like, let's
take Kobe's love for basketball

931
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,320
for the game, right?
Or messy love.

932
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,440
It's not easy.
There's there's sweat, right?

933
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,800
And.
There's losses and there's

934
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,480
buzzer beater misses and there's
everything and then and then

935
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,120
there's a buzzer beater scores,
you know, and then there's the

936
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,160
chance.
Stress, insane stress, you know,

937
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,400
like fighting, fighting for, for
that thing, you know, so.

938
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,400
That's great, by the way.
It's great that you're telling

939
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,640
me this because again, you know,
we just, we're just saying right

940
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,320
before I started recording, but
I think you started I'm feeling

941
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,120
burnout.
You know, I've been feeling

942
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,360
burnout and, and the thing that
gets me through the burnout is

943
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,000
like I know I'm burnt out for
now.

944
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Like I know that like everything
I'm doing are things I want to

945
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,240
be doing, you know, And so like,
I just need to recharge my

946
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,080
batteries, but like it's there
like in the back of my head and

947
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,160
it's like I'm so tired, but it's
not, I'm not happy to be doing

948
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,880
this.
It's, I'm just tired, you know,

949
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,640
like it's just.
I feel you and I want to be so

950
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,240
supportive, but under the under,
but under the shade of Kobe

951
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,320
because we brought him under the
shade.

952
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,000
I feel like did Kobe ever take
took time off?

953
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,040
No, no, no.
I think I think we should need

954
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,000
to.
I think, you know, I'm

955
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,320
completely joking and I don't
think yes, I mean, dude, I, I

956
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,800
sometimes burn out and I just
lay in bed, you know, like I

957
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,400
have to.
The way I've been thinking about

958
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:52,760
it was like, really, I have,
let's say, legitimately like 8

959
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,480
to 10 really important things
that that to me that are really,

960
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,120
really important that I invested
on a day-to-day on a daily

961
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,840
basis, right?
Like guitar playing my family

962
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,160
learning you're doing a.
Lot.

963
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,160
You know, I'm doing so teaching.
My tales I told, Daf I told.

964
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,640
I don't know how he juggles all
that.

965
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,840
Dude, the best.
I.

966
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Don't two kids.
You have a baby at home, you

967
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,160
have religion, you have work,
you have two, two jobs.

968
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,880
Yeah, and the podcast 2 Jobs in
the.

969
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,720
Podcast and you're doing.
And jiu jitsu and, and I'm and

970
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,640
I'm trying to play and I'm
trying to get better guitar and.

971
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,720
That's awesome.
And.

972
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,160
But that's awesome.
That's inspiring.

973
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,520
Also, to be honest, like, you
know, it's really easy to to

974
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,840
kind of just get stuck, you
know, not trying to develop in

975
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,840
something and get stuck and
like, oh, I have enough on my

976
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,360
plate or I'm good or whatever.
But no, there is more to life,

977
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,520
more to experience and more to
to try to, to to get after, you

978
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,960
know, it's yeah, sometimes it
feel it's a burner ride, like I

979
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,520
don't wanna chase so much I can
just rest and that's OK and take

980
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,840
a.
You think it's a bad thing that

981
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,120
it comes from a place of fear
though 'cause it it comes from a

982
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,800
fear of not fulfilling my
potential and wasting my time

983
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,360
and not doing everything.
I want wow, that's I don't know

984
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,480
if I can answer that No for
real, I don't know but.

985
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,080
What do you think?
What's your reflux without any

986
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,960
clinical advice?
Well, we'll say that this is.

987
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Clinical like this is not
therapy sessions with us.

988
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,360
What are you thinking?
Who am I?

989
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,200
I'm laughing by myself.
Yeah, yeah, I'm joking by myself

990
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,400
from fear, like if a doing it
like every like.

991
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,640
I am like what drive?
What propels me is like, I don't

992
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,080
want to check out before.
Like if I checked out now.

993
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,200
I think that's.
A good thing.

994
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,400
I think that's a good thing if
it's driving you like it's going

995
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,440
to take a toll, I guess, you
know, to everybody, right?

996
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,880
Yeah, the stress and all that,
but I think that's a good thing.

997
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,760
You only we only get fucking one
shot.

998
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,440
You only get one shot, right?
Get one shot.

999
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,960
I feel like I'm not feel like my
stress tolerance is actually

1000
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,840
like pretty low.
I feel I'm very, you know,

1001
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,440
gentle and like I get
overwhelmed very easily.

1002
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,560
So honestly, I think that's good
to be able to stretch your like

1003
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,200
to, to, to stretch your limits
and be able to tolerate more

1004
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,880
stress and then to be able to
get after more because it's,

1005
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,040
it's about expansion, right?
Be able to hold more, right?

1006
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,960
And love life doesn't get
easier, right?

1007
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,080
The, the, the more you grow up
and you get older, get older

1008
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,960
more, more, yeah.
More responsibility.

1009
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,120
Heavier, yeah, but yes, yeah.
And.

1010
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,680
Responsibility is weight.
Responsibility is weight.

1011
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,480
It's the weight of you, of you
choosing to take the burden of

1012
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,720
people or things and people that
you love around you.

1013
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,280
But that's weight.
That's still weight, you know,

1014
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,120
and like muscles that you grow
as as time goes on, you know,

1015
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,240
but at a certain point you need
to give yourself recovery time,

1016
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,000
otherwise your muscles won't,
you know, won't be growing, you

1017
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,560
know?
But the only thing that I was

1018
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,760
thinking that could potentially
be the downside and maybe, and I

1019
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,480
haven't figured this out, is I
feel like every motivating

1020
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,160
factor could have like a
negative side and a positive

1021
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:04,280
aspect too, right?
So for example, like am I, am I

1022
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,560
teaching because I love teaching
or my teaching because I think

1023
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,760
other teachers are bad teachers.
And like those are two very,

1024
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,320
very different motivating
factors that could lead to very,

1025
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,560
very different responses, right?
They might get to the same place

1026
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,200
and I might think and like they.
Could also live together.

1027
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,000
They could live together, right?
But I would imagine that my love

1028
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,840
for teaching would When
something's coming from a more

1029
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:37,040
positive place, I think it has a
lot more life and enthusiasm to

1030
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,240
it.
And when something's coming from

1031
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:41,360
a little more negative place,
you might be more effective, but

1032
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,480
you don't get that joy the same
time while you're doing it, you

1033
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,760
know?
So it's been what's been, I

1034
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,120
guess, you know, kind of like
eating at me a little bit is

1035
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,680
that I feel like I'm doing all
these things, but I'm not

1036
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,360
enjoying them.
I'm getting them done because I

1037
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,480
want to get them done, not
because like, I'm having fun.

1038
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,680
Doing, I think that's good.
I think that's OK.

1039
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:05,280
You know, like, yeah, sometimes
you have the initial idea or

1040
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,840
thought of, hey, I love it.
It's what we kind of talked

1041
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,360
about, right?
And then the love maybe goes

1042
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,000
away and you're becoming
Sisyphus.

1043
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,040
You.
Just and it comes back and it

1044
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,360
comes back to.
Push the, the, the, the rock up

1045
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,640
the hill every day, right?
And it's just OK.

1046
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,880
I don't feel love right now to
teach those kids like I'm tired.

1047
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,320
I have a lot of stuff on my head
at home, at work, whatever, and

1048
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,800
I need to teach them how to
breathe and then how to.

1049
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,000
I can breathe myself.
I'm sure about it.

1050
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Right?
Yeah.

1051
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,880
Sometimes it's just to do the
thing, I guess.

1052
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm going to figure I got to, I

1053
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,040
got to find that balance.
It'll be good.

1054
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,440
Yeah.
We'll work on it, man.

1055
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,240
It's all.
It's all.

1056
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,960
I'm constantly trying to.
It's it's so much fun.

1057
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,160
It's such a, it's such a trip.
It's such a trip.

1058
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,040
But yeah, what do you man?
There's so many, so many

1059
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,120
different directions I want to
go.

1060
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,720
I want to go from here because
you brought up so many different

1061
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:04,840
things while I was speaking that
I wanted to circle back to.

1062
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,320
I'm sorry, though.
That's good.

1063
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,280
That's great.
One of them was that the idea

1064
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,200
that people are having have a
hard time committing to things.

1065
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,120
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe that's maybe that's me.

1066
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Harding to commit to the
subject.

1067
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,320
No, no, no, well, this in
general, I love to I love to

1068
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,880
free flow.
I think it's I think I think

1069
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,080
it's I think it keeps it fun.
And especially if you can kind

1070
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,160
of keep, I look at the
conversations that gives like a

1071
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,280
epicenter and then there's
little webs that like spring

1072
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,400
from it and then like you can
try to find their way back to

1073
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,280
the center and then back, you
know, web out and then find

1074
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,760
another way.
And then like listening back to

1075
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,840
this, you're going to see that
the whole conversation had a

1076
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,040
theme and we've been exploring
different like sidetracks along

1077
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,000
the way, you know, but has a
theme for sure.

1078
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,480
That's it happens a lot without
even me realizing it most of the

1079
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,200
time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:58,960
But I've been thinking a lot
about that too, because people

1081
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,960
have, you know, the divorce rate
is super high.

1082
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,160
The people, people are not
choosing to be in relationships

1083
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,480
more than like ever.
People aren't choosing to be in

1084
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:18,240
friendships more than ever, you
know, and there's very, it

1085
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,520
almost feels like a lot of
people think, what's the point,

1086
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,280
you know?
Because I think that what makes

1087
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,440
someone commit to something is
the promise of something, you

1088
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,560
know, of something great
happening at the end.

1089
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,200
You know, a lot of people grew
up with what happened to the

1090
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,440
end.
Like seeing what happens at the

1091
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,840
end is like, OK, like big deal.
You know, who cares?

1092
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,200
You know, like, why bother
trying?

1093
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:43,320
You know, like it almost feel,
it feels like there's a gloom

1094
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,800
that's like a social gloom
that's in a lot of people.

1095
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,880
And there's no springs, by the
way of, like, life that pop up

1096
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,520
like, like the open mic world or
like, you know, the Billy

1097
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,400
Strings world where like,
someone who's taught I was in an

1098
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,560
interview with actually super
cool.

1099
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,200
I had such a great time.
This guy's name is Dennis

1100
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,840
McNally.
He was the Grateful Dead's

1101
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,920
publicist.
Nice.

1102
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,160
That's very cool it.
Was so cool did Jerry Garcia

1103
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,440
walked him down the aisle with
Bill Krochtman, who the drummer

1104
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:14,440
and he wrote four books on the
on like how black music and

1105
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,320
white music meshed in the 50s
and 60s about Jack Kerouac,

1106
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,480
about the Grateful Dead and
about how bohemians and beatniks

1107
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,200
turned into hippies.
So that was that was a super

1108
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,120
cool, you know, conversation.
But one of the things we were

1109
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:34,240
talking about is that the most
explosive creativity comes from

1110
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,880
periods of gloom, you know, like
comes from like periods of like,

1111
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,440
like, you know, like where
everyone kind of feels down and

1112
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,600
like a couple of people will be
like, no, like we're not going

1113
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,640
to let this happen to us.
You know, you think, you see

1114
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,560
that, you think that happens is
happening in today's world.

1115
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,200
You think like, we're having
some of that now.

1116
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,720
What are the positive things
that we look that you look for

1117
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,800
like that are like hope in like
today's world?

1118
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,840
Because I feel like, yeah,
you're a pretty hopeful guy, and

1119
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,120
I am too.
We try to live our lives like.

1120
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,760
Try.
To but you, you live your life

1121
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,080
like that, like you choose to be
in a happy, you know, in a

1122
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,560
relationship, you choose to
pursue your passions and like

1123
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,920
put your effort and time into it
instead of saying, yeah, well,

1124
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,680
it's probably not going to work.
You know, like you choose to do

1125
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,160
that, You know, what do you
think feeds that and what do you

1126
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,080
think keeps that going?
I've tried nihilism.

1127
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,240
Yeah, I've tried.
Not for how long.

1128
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,080
Yeah, not for long.
Not for long.

1129
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,120
I read a little bit about it and
I was just like, yeah, it was

1130
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,600
just do.
You see what people can cling to

1131
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:29,680
about it.
Like, do you see what's

1132
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,800
attractive about it, do you
think?

1133
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,920
What do you think people like
seeing it?

1134
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,400
Maybe it's cool, you know, like
maybe it's, I don't know.

1135
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,080
I'm just saying.
But you don't.

1136
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,560
You saw it.
You're like, no.

1137
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,440
Yeah, it's just like it's not
fun, right?

1138
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,840
It's, it's lacking fun, it's
lacking colour.

1139
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,400
You know, life, but also life
can be, you know, you can, you

1140
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,320
can feel down, you can be
depressed.

1141
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,520
So so.
But you don't.

1142
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,760
But that doesn't define it.
It doesn't like, like when you

1143
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,400
have down period, you're not a
down person when I meet you.

1144
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,920
I don't think this guy's like
dead inside, you know?

1145
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,080
I think that this guy's got,
this guy's got lots.

1146
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,440
Of fun, but I but I have I have
dealt with with, I want to say

1147
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,920
not not really diagnosed, but
you know, like in high school

1148
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:21,200
definitely felt depressed.
And so so I think I think that

1149
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,640
to your point, I'm I'm talking
I'm looking at the bigger

1150
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,280
picture.
I think it's because it's hard.

1151
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:32,000
It's hard nowadays with with
technology in 2025, with the

1152
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:37,280
news, with how our day to days
are built for most adults,

1153
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,800
grown-ups, right around the
phone, a technological thing,

1154
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,520
right, that's taking over our
brain and our chemistry and our

1155
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,200
hormones.
And sometimes I don't even try

1156
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,320
to look to people in the eyes,
you know, because I'm looking

1157
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,160
down, dude, and I can't read
them and.

1158
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,560
Headphones also do that to me by
the way.

1159
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,560
Headphones.
Airpods if I'm walking in Costco

1160
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,760
even if I'm not even.
Like even if I'm not looking at

1161
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,880
my phone.
I find myself avoiding people's

1162
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,240
eye contact when I have my
headphones in for sure.

1163
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:11,160
So we, we already lost the
village, you know, the, the, it

1164
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,760
takes a village, right to raise
a kid or to, to live.

1165
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,680
So we already lost the village
like years ago, obviously,

1166
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,520
right.
But now, but now even more so.

1167
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,200
It's really hard and without
being depressing because we want

1168
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:29,080
to be hopeful, but it's, it's
just really trying to, to find,

1169
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,840
to find within yourself your
friendships and be able to

1170
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,200
really care about the people
that are around you and not to

1171
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,400
look at the negative stuff in
your life and in their lives.

1172
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,680
And, and it's, it's really hard.
It's, it's, it's work as well.

1173
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,680
It's.
How would you teach someone, if

1174
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,560
someone asks you how to make a
friend, how do you teach them to

1175
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,200
make, to make friends, to make a
new friend?

1176
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,080
Because I think a lot of people,
a lot of people are looking for

1177
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,640
friends and a lot of people.
Don't know how to get them.

1178
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,520
Do you think you can teach?
I think it's just.

1179
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,360
I think, yeah.
I think you can, I think that

1180
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:06,320
tell me, I think that friendship
is, is the, is the experience of

1181
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,080
having some kind of something in
common or some kind of shared

1182
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,880
interest with another person and
then establishing a sense of

1183
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,920
trust based on that interest.
Right.

1184
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,080
So for example, when you and I
met.

1185
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,680
Right.
Yeah, we were clearly both.

1186
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,680
I I could tell obviously you're
Israeli.

1187
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,640
Yeah.
You're, you know, a tattoo.

1188
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,600
Yeah.
And and then and I saw and I

1189
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,040
heard and I could even tell just
by your vibe, like your style,

1190
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,440
the way you played.
I was like, this is a dude I

1191
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,640
could talk to.
And then I think even though you

1192
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,840
started a conversation with me,
we won't have music in common,

1193
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,720
you know, at 1st and then we
start talking and then we

1194
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,920
establish a sense of like, he's
someone that thinks similarly to

1195
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,240
me.
And so I could trust him.

1196
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,840
Maybe he's in, maybe he would
understand this part of me.

1197
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,240
And so I open up with that kind
of aspect, you know, a new

1198
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,200
aspect.
And then, oh, now we have not

1199
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,840
only do we have common, you
know, interest, but we also have

1200
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,880
a sense of history.
Now I'm vulnerable to him.

1201
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,440
I've shared something new with
him, but he is also experienced,

1202
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,000
you know, and, and then that
kind of just snowballs by

1203
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:07,840
itself, I think.
Right.

1204
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,560
And so I think from there.
But what was necessary to begin

1205
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,000
with was for you and I to both
be in that open mic place at the

1206
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,040
same time.
You know, like I would never

1207
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,600
have spoken to you if I practice
guitar in my backyard every day

1208
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,600
of my life.
I wasn't thinking about, yeah.

1209
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,080
You know that would that would
never have.

1210
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,120
Happened.
Yeah, that's that's very true.

1211
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,800
And to to your point, it's
actually put yourself out there,

1212
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,280
right.
And don't don't stay at home.

1213
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,760
That's what I think you're
saying.

1214
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,040
Like I'm taking from what you're
saying, put yourself out there

1215
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,560
is go outside.
You know the the world has a lot

1216
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,880
to offer.
So much.

1217
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,720
Right.
And say, yeah, you know, and.

1218
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,200
Some of the coolest dudes you
have.

1219
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,920
Crappy little hole walls.
You have a baby at home.

1220
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,400
You have work, your teaching,
teaching at school, like I'm

1221
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,480
saying it in the best way
possible.

1222
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,360
You're putting it for a hobby,
for a dream.

1223
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,720
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't have to be so, you

1224
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,640
know, like deeply thought or
like what's the meaning behind

1225
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,480
it?
You're just, you're doing and

1226
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,240
right.
And just by that, like we're

1227
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,960
sitting here and talking.
This is amazing.

1228
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,600
Yeah, enjoy.
This love you brother it's.

1229
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:08,680
Great.
Yeah.

1230
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,120
Yeah, It's fun, dude.
I I told you we'd have a blast.

1231
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,680
I knew it.
Yeah, it's so much fun just

1232
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,920
talking.
Yeah, and we started the

1233
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,320
podcast, you know that this
whole episode by saying I was

1234
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,600
dreading not to come because I
was just stressful with life and

1235
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,080
my my brain was just
overthinking like bunch of

1236
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,880
stuff.
But but this is this is.

1237
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,600
Sad.
So I think I think this is good

1238
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,080
2 great takeaways when you're
when you're overthinking to get

1239
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,760
to get moving a little bit.
And then I think, I think people

1240
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,520
really need friends.
I think that there's such a

1241
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,520
loneliness problem.
And I think, and like, one thing

1242
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,360
I've been noticing in like on
one hand, just scary as heck,

1243
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,080
but like there's been a lot of
violence recently, you know, but

1244
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,120
like there's also a lot of sad,
sick, lonely people out there.

1245
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,120
You know, there's a lot of like
mental health issues is like,

1246
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,920
oh, I was meant to ask you, was
Israel like that growing up with

1247
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,880
technology with your phone when
you were saying that?

1248
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,040
Because I found that whenever I
visit, and it's only for a

1249
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,480
couple of weeks at a time, that
it feels like the world is much

1250
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,120
like the world in Israel.
Like people are much more likely

1251
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,480
to are much more engaged with
one another than they are just

1252
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,720
sitting on their phones the way
that Americans are and that life

1253
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,160
is much more.
Growing up or nowadays which I

1254
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,520
don't live there anymore like.
Well, since I guess since you've

1255
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,680
been there, I guess throughout
your life, do you find that or

1256
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,320
do you find that that was more
in America?

1257
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Now I feel like it's like.
I think it's.

1258
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,560
Called, you know, when I visit
and I talk to my friends and

1259
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,680
family now, I think it's like
any other place in the world.

1260
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,080
And it depends on yourself and
your environment, right?

1261
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,720
Maybe there are areas, you know,
like in Tel Aviv, which is an

1262
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,360
amazing city, people are more
like out and alive.

1263
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,400
And you know, it's like like
this living thing that people

1264
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,440
are like interacting,
experiencing more.

1265
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,480
And maybe if you live, I don't
know, in Beersheba, maybe you're

1266
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,520
more stuck in your apartment.
What it depends.

1267
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:56,720
It really depends, right?
But growing up with, I remember

1268
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,440
like I got at certain point,
like a teenager, I got addicted

1269
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,960
to Sony PlayStation and computer
gaming.

1270
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,320
Wow, dude.
Yeah.

1271
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,800
Badly in the best.
It was so much fun.

1272
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Hours and hours out there.
Hours, dude. 8 hours .8 hours

1273
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,760
God of War, whatever it was.
Counter strike, yeah.

1274
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,560
I can't imagine but also but.
Also, I was just outside also

1275
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,480
like before that or even some
days with that, you know, just a

1276
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,640
kid, no responsibilities out all
day and on the bicycle with

1277
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,600
friends from the Mushab or in
the at the kibbutz.

1278
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,640
And I think, I don't know, I
think there's areas, you know,

1279
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,320
in the world where people are
still growing up without iPads,

1280
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,640
let's say, right, or without the
technology like that, whether

1281
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,640
it's the community or it's the
parenting.

1282
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,160
I'm not getting.
My kids, any of that, I just, I

1283
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,600
actually just spoke to my
sister.

1284
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,240
She lives, you already know, but
she lives in Canada, Toronto,

1285
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:01,680
Toronto, Toronto, Toronto,
Toronto, Toronto.

1286
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:09,400
It's so different with with her
three daughters that are kind of

1287
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,640
like teenagers already and
they're doing so good.

1288
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Oh yeah.
Yeah, they're like the the

1289
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,520
parent, like the kids and the
parent, like my sister and her

1290
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,720
husband.
And they're very conscientious

1291
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,240
about it.
Amazing parents, amazing

1292
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,440
parents.
Seriously.

1293
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,280
Wow.
And but she just shared with me

1294
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,720
actually, that it's really hard
to keep, try to keep them off of

1295
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,240
the screens, you know, because
it's inevitable.

1296
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,320
It's inevitable, so it's just
what it is.

1297
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,200
But it's not like there's still
hope.

1298
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,440
It's just we're living with it
whether we want it or not.

1299
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,000
So you have to fight for it
like.

1300
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,520
This is the theme you have to
fight.

1301
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,080
You have to understand.
It you have to understand and be

1302
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,120
like this is going to, this is
designed to be addicting to you.

1303
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,080
Like you have to know that.
Like you have to understand that

1304
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,360
this that this job is to its job
is to have your eyeballs on it

1305
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,400
and for it to be active as long
as humanely possible.

1306
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,640
And like, I think that I think
giving kids that knowledge and,

1307
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,800
and letting them know it's not
like that there is a reason why

1308
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,760
it's not that they're being bad.
It's not.

1309
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,360
And I think this is also like
you're like, oh, social media is

1310
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,120
bad.
Get off your phone.

1311
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,640
Get off your phone.
Like it's like, but I like my

1312
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,920
phone.
Like I really like my phone.

1313
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,400
Like, yeah, you're so just
explain.

1314
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,720
You're supposed to like it.
It's, it's developed for you to

1315
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,880
like it, but it's also developed
for you to spend your time on it

1316
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,080
and not to be playing football
with your friends or not to be

1317
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,640
playing, you know, go bicycle
riding with your friends and not

1318
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,240
to be doing other things.
And that's why it's so much fun,

1319
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:47,960
because it's trying to replace
that and.

1320
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,160
Yeah, he's trying to replace
every.

1321
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,360
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, I think, I think that

1322
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,200
explaining that too.
I think that understanding that

1323
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,520
explaining that like I don't
blame any kid for being I'm

1324
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,920
addicted to Twitter.
I am straight up addicted to

1325
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,880
Twitter and and it's so hard for
me to break and I deleted the

1326
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,160
app and it doesn't help because
I just go on my Safari browser

1327
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:06,720
and I just and I'm on it all the
time.

1328
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,400
That's your advice.
It's it's that's your advice and

1329
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,000
it never stops.
And because it's just a flood of

1330
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,840
constant new news and whatever
the algorithm, you know, picks

1331
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,240
up that I'm currently reading
about or interested in, you

1332
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,120
know, and like.
But it's OK, you know, I mean,

1333
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,960
we, we can't, yeah.
But what does that make it do?

1334
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,920
What does that do as opposed to
doing this dude?

1335
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,760
But we're going out with you.
I spent 4 hours on that instead

1336
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,080
of going to the open mic and I'm
like oh man what happened?

1337
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,840
But we're not monks, you know,
unless, unless you want to try

1338
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,520
to go, you know, and try to
really deprive yourself of

1339
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,600
stimulation in general, good and
bad, and try to teach yourself

1340
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,440
good.
Yeah, I may have to use a

1341
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,480
recording.
That's OK, yeah.

1342
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,520
That's all good.
Yeah, it's still running.

1343
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,560
Good, because mine stopped.
Great.

1344
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,280
OK, we're going to use yours.
We'll just have to add to mine

1345
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,360
for sure.
OK, Yeah.

1346
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,720
So no, you were saying about the
Twitter and like you know that

1347
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,840
it kind.
Of no, but so I'm aware of that

1348
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,800
issue and I'm aware that it
exists, but if I wasn't like I

1349
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,400
have to I think that I think I
think it has to be part I think

1350
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,480
that's part of education.
I think it's part of teaching.

1351
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,960
I think it's part of like the
responsibility of a parent is to

1352
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,720
like explain to a kid that like
Facebook and Twitter and TikTok

1353
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:27,960
and Instagram spend billions of
dollars learning how to most

1354
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,320
effectively.
Keep you.

1355
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,280
Exactly.
Some people, some people.

1356
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:39,440
There is this viewpoint maybe
that some people teach or use

1357
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,240
those things as tools, right, or
the phone in general.

1358
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,880
And that's also an interesting,
right.

1359
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:51,160
So you can also just this is a
tool, you know, this can be you

1360
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,440
can be consumer, right?
And you can also use it for

1361
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,920
entertainment, right?
And yeah, but let's say, for

1362
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,880
example, if you teach a kid,
right?

1363
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:07,120
Oh, this can this can be to
learn stuff, right?

1364
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,640
You're putting natural
geographic on.

1365
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,240
This.
Your podcasts are incredible.

1366
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,200
Yeah.
I mean, I've learned so much in

1367
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,560
the last couple of years.
Yeah.

1368
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,360
You know, from podcast, like,
like, more than like I could

1369
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,280
fathom, you know, like my entire
life has changed because, I

1370
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:25,840
mean, because of exposure to
information on here, you know?

1371
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,560
Yeah, for sure.
And then there's the other side.

1372
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,520
Of it.
So it's exactly it's both, it's

1373
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,360
both, it's inevitable.
Yeah, that's, I feel that way

1374
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,120
about AI too.
I think it'd be a great

1375
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,600
companion.
Yeah, it's crazy.

1376
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,440
I I Duff Duff this morning she
saw a video and the video looked

1377
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,560
very real, obviously, but she
showed it to me and it's not

1378
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,920
like I can tell woo Hoo, I'm so
good.

1379
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,640
But it just like I was surprised
that that she didn't get it and

1380
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:58,920
I told her, oh, this is AI and
now so I don't allow myself.

1381
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,800
So The thing is it's it's not
and I'm not a sucker.

1382
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,080
It's just I don't allow, if
there's a chance, if it's really

1383
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,480
that good, immediately I'm
suspicious and I open the

1384
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,400
comments, you know, and I'm
like, I have to check because

1385
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,320
it's too crazy nowadays.
It's too crazy.

1386
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,000
I don't allow myself to just
fall for something like that,

1387
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,200
you know, because I understand
that that's crazy.

1388
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,720
Everything now can be this
pocket.

1389
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,680
Someone's going to listen to
this now.

1390
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:26,640
My.
Question my.

1391
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,240
My my thing with my friends is
any, any sort of time I trip

1392
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,560
them, it's every time I like to
be like a joker, you know, like

1393
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,720
so now people are going to
listen to this.

1394
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,040
They have, they'll have no idea.
You know, this can this can be

1395
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,520
AI.
And it could be right.

1396
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,040
And I was going to say that that
that could lead you on the path

1397
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,319
of insanity.
You know, like that's inception,

1398
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:49,040
that's the matrix, That's all
this stuff.

1399
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,520
You know, it's like, dude, dude,
how far are we from really not

1400
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,359
being able to tell like what is
real or not?

1401
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,080
Wow.
You know, like we're not like I

1402
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,040
was thinking when I, you know,
when the mushrooms hit a little

1403
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,800
bit yesterday, it was like I was
thinking about how my body could

1404
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,600
be like a like a like a like for
the first time in my life, Like

1405
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,600
I think my body could really be
like a first player video game,

1406
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,560
you know, like I have like the
perspective as my hands are here

1407
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,760
and like everything is being
seen through a lens and like

1408
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,720
perception, you know, like it's
like perception is just like

1409
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,439
that concept, you know, like, oh
man, let's not go down this road

1410
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,880
right now.
This is not, this is not a good

1411
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,920
place to this is not a good
place for me to go.

1412
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,680
I'll just stare at the sky for a
little bit, you know?

1413
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,520
People call it I forgot.
Yeah, dude, that.

1414
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,560
But that kind of stuff scares
the hell out of me sometimes.

1415
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,200
But then in the day, I'm like,
you know, that's not too

1416
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,840
different.
The idea of God as a creator,

1417
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,040
you know, it's not too
different.

1418
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,160
Like, OK, so it's a Matrix or a
video game or a simulation or.

1419
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,600
God or.
Simulation theory or anything

1420
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,600
like that.
But like the day you're still

1421
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,240
stuck in it, you still have to
navigate it, there's still rules

1422
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,520
to it.
And like, there's still like

1423
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,680
ways to clearly win or not, you
know, like, clearly ways to win

1424
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,520
are like, yeah, the things that
like you can into it, you know,

1425
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,480
you can tell like.
So even if it's not like I hope

1426
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,840
I'm doing a pretty good job at
this game, you know, like I

1427
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,080
hope, I hope I'm playing well
because you know otherwise.

1428
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,160
Man, so wild, dude, it's so
wild.

1429
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,360
Yeah, life is wild.
Yeah, I get into that trippy

1430
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,360
category, man.
Here's that trippy category.

1431
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,160
Mushrooms are great.
Dude, tell me you had some

1432
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,600
festivals that you went to,
because I've never been to.

1433
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,000
Actually, I've never been to
festivals.

1434
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,080
Only who the wing we need.
To go this year.

1435
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:30,440
No, my friends are.
I try to win some free tickets.

1436
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,360
Yeah, yeah, on Instagram, but I
didn't get them.

1437
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,560
What about as a photographer or
as a press?

1438
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,680
No, I don't want to work.
I mean, it can be actually a fun

1439
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,720
experience, but if I want to go
with my wife, you know, and have

1440
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,640
fun and just experience, you
know, immersing experience, I

1441
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,320
don't want to work.
Yeah, I just want.

1442
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:48,760
To I'm reading the electric
kool-aid trip.

1443
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,120
Do you know the boogies?
You ever heard of it?

1444
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,760
It's about, I think the guy's
name was Neil Cassidy that

1445
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:01,120
bought the bus in the 60s school
bus called further and, and they

1446
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,400
painted it with Dayglo and like
tie dye and the entire thing was

1447
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,200
supposed to be, you know, that
you ever hear of the acid, acid

1448
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,640
tests from the from the 60s?
What's it called?

1449
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,720
Yes, I think I heard it.
That's where the Grateful Dead

1450
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,440
started playing is basically a
is it a giant party and like a

1451
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,320
huge.
No, so I'm not familiar with.

1452
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,360
It so these these when acid is
first come making its way to the

1453
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,600
states.
By the way, and I didn't know

1454
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,480
this either.
San Francisco was the epicenter

1455
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,280
of Eastern culture, meeting
western culture because that was

1456
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,720
the furthest point east of yeah.
I never thought W rather of

1457
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,480
America, but before you get to
the East and I never thought of,

1458
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,640
I never even like conceived that
that would like be the

1459
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,760
relationship.
But like Buddhism and yoga and,

1460
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,560
and, and all this stuff started
in San Francisco, you know, like

1461
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,000
it started, it started like in
that, in that part of the, in

1462
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,800
the part of the world, because
Chinatown is huge there, you

1463
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,400
know, and the whole Asian, the
whole Asian school of thought,

1464
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:01,120
you know, was just like, that
was the first place to come into

1465
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,400
like the Mafia was so big in New
York and Boston, because they're

1466
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,080
all coming from Ireland and
Italy and everything like that,

1467
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,360
you know, East, you know, so the
same thing from the West.

1468
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,680
They'd have these acid tests
where they just be there, no

1469
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,800
alcohol at the time, acid was
legal.

1470
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,640
And, and they just rent any
space.

1471
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,520
It could be a warehouse, it
could be an apartment, it could

1472
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,560
be a park, it could be wherever.
And everyone going to acid the

1473
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,400
Grateful Dead would play or a
bunch of better get a bunch of

1474
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,440
bands that would play and and
they'd have artists and painters

1475
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:34,400
and visuals and like, and
everyone just do whatever they

1476
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,840
want and everything was legal
because the cops have come and

1477
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,160
you can't.
It's not like take acid.

1478
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,280
Yeah, by the way, they'll get
spiked all the time.

1479
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,200
They'll be like, oh, you want
some orange juice?

1480
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,440
You want some, you know, punch?
You want, you want some cake?

1481
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:46,280
You want whatever.
And.

1482
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,480
Crazy.
That's crazy.

1483
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,440
Dude, Can you imagine spiking a?
Cop That's not cool.

1484
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:53,160
Can you imagine a full order?
I mean, it's for a good 'cause I

1485
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,760
guess for a good cause.
But no, spiking anyone is not

1486
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,200
not a good thing to do, but
interesting.

1487
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:03,360
And so it started this other
like, you know, we should take

1488
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,200
these acid trips as acid tests
and take them on the road.

1489
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,960
And so they loaded up a bus with
a film crew and they just wanted

1490
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,320
to drive across the country from
LA to New York and back and

1491
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:18,240
like, just bring like this new
far outlook, you know, across

1492
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,120
the country and see how people
responded to it.

1493
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:26,160
And the footage was awful
because everyone was on acid the

1494
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,600
whole time or mushrooms or, you
know, whatever.

1495
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,440
And they couldn't do anything
with the footage.

1496
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,920
But one guy that happened to
your writer that like went along

1497
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,520
with it, documented the whole
thing in a book called The

1498
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,040
Electric kool-aid Trip.
And so I'm just, so I'm just

1499
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,560
reading that right now.
Why do we do things like that

1500
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,080
today?
Just go on an adventure like

1501
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,160
that.
Yeah, but like, the Grateful

1502
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,280
Dead would put on like, free
concerts in the park just for,

1503
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,400
like, the sake of people, like,
just hanging out together.

1504
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,320
Like you know what?
People do it though.

1505
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,840
Yeah, do they do?
I mean, there's in the.

1506
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,280
I know that.
The park in Forlord in Hollywood

1507
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:06,000
you have a bluegrass, bluegrass
free festival like every, I

1508
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,440
think once a month.
Really.

1509
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:08,320
Yeah.
Do you go there?

1510
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,000
I I went once.
I went once, two years ago.

1511
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,160
It was great.
I didn't think about these

1512
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,560
things, yeah.
But there, yeah, there's things

1513
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,040
happening all the time.
Yeah.

1514
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,080
Just we're we're in our own, you
know, world own worlds and you

1515
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,360
know, we're going to open mic,
for example, you know, we're

1516
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,880
doing the open mic that.
It's hard to find.

1517
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,000
It's a open mic.
So, you know, I mean, like even

1518
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,440
if you wanted to, if we wanted
to go to more, where do you

1519
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:33,680
find, you know, like they're
hard to find.

1520
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:34,880
People don't want to do them
very often.

1521
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,720
How do you work?
And I've had many places that

1522
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,440
totally.
Search away and you're finding

1523
01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:41,720
probably like around like
whatever's around you, you know?

1524
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,680
I know and it, but there's not a
lot, right?

1525
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,160
And then I've spoken to people
about like, starting them up,

1526
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,560
like in breweries or starting
them up in different locations

1527
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,680
and like, OK, get people to come
and like.

1528
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,200
Well, that's you want, you want
to start something, that's what

1529
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,000
you're saying.
Well, I don't know how to get

1530
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,440
people to come and I get people
to come.

1531
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:00,000
I would love to start something.
I think that I think that we

1532
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,240
need, I think that what I think
would be a huge benefit to

1533
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,600
everyone in every capacity in
this country would be more

1534
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,680
embodied experiences, would be
more people getting up, leaving

1535
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,800
their houses and going to do and
going to be in other places with

1536
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,880
other people.
I'm a huge, huge advocate of it.

1537
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:22,480
And I could see, I know for a
fact, isolation is the worst

1538
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,800
thing you can do to people.
It's so easy and I've thought

1539
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,000
this, this could have happened
to me so many, so many times

1540
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,560
over in my life.
I went a very typical route

1541
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,960
where I was in high school, I
went to college, I got a degree,

1542
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,680
I got a remote job where I could
live wherever I wanted, have an

1543
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:41,200
apartment by myself, be home for
10 hours a day and then be in my

1544
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,800
apartment.
I could drink or smoke weed or

1545
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,080
do whatever to go or be healthy,
go for a job or whatever.

1546
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,000
But I'm probably not going to
because, you know, I'm a 22 year

1547
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,840
old living by myself and I have
my phone and I whatever and I'm

1548
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,760
working remote.
I'm tired at the end of the day

1549
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,080
and I can go days or weeks out
seeing people.

1550
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,080
Solitary confinement, it's like
the worst psychological

1551
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,320
punishment you can do to anyone
for sure, and it's happening on

1552
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,760
a mass scale everywhere.
Without even thinking.

1553
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,840
Yeah.
And with it's like voluntary,

1554
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,240
it's voluntary.
It's voluntary prison like.

1555
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,160
That very interesting.
Yeah, I agree with you.

1556
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,920
So we know you.
Want to you want to have a

1557
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,280
solution for that you want to
do?

1558
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,520
Something well, so that I think
that's I think that's that's a

1559
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,600
huge benefit.
I know in my life and like I've

1560
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,160
talked about a lot of my friends
recently that, you know, just

1561
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,960
about the benefits of religious
lifestyle is like the community,

1562
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,160
like for sure, whatever.
Like I hang out with people.

1563
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,480
I'm with people every single
day.

1564
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:37,880
I'm with groups of people every
single day of my life, whether

1565
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,720
it's three to five people in jiu
jitsu a couple days a week or

1566
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,680
whether it's 20 people in
synagogue.

1567
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,440
Even if I'm only talking to like
four or five of them, I still am

1568
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:50,000
with and talk to, you know, 20,
you know, four or five people.

1569
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,120
Yeah, community and then people
coming out because you know

1570
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,360
what, you're someone that lives
2 doors down that has a kid and

1571
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,200
that's also working, you know,
long hours and wants a beer at

1572
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,080
the end of the day and so am I.
So let's just sit in my backyard

1573
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,360
together for 20 minutes and have
a beer and go home, you know?

1574
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,920
And like that is so healthy.
That's so like, I forget what

1575
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,840
you think about like God or
organized religion or anything

1576
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,800
like that, Like.
And just healthy people have

1577
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:14,720
that.
No, I agree with you.

1578
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,040
Kids are growing up playing
football with each other every

1579
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,360
Saturday, you know, for four or
five hours because they can't do

1580
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,080
anything else.
There's no phone or electronics

1581
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,360
or TV or anything like that.
The only option you have is to

1582
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,560
knock on someone's door and say,
hey, is your kid home?

1583
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,320
Can I play with them?
You know, and like, and you go

1584
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,840
up in like a really healthy
environment.

1585
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,600
You know, it's really so, so I
think it's, I'm, I'm really

1586
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,160
trying to encourage people.
To put you out there, yeah,

1587
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:40,920
yeah.
Yeah, I think that.

1588
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,400
And I'm sure that, you know,
even if religion is all BS and

1589
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,680
all made-up, which I don't
believe it is, but even if it

1590
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,080
was, yeah, it's still a pretty
freaking good thing, you know,

1591
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,520
like the alternative.
I don't.

1592
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,760
Think it is.
I don't think it is, but yeah.

1593
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,600
But to your point, yes, exactly
there is.

1594
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,520
Even if someone think, you know,
it's completely bullshit or

1595
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:04,200
whatever, then definitely
there's a lot of truths in it.

1596
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,880
And you know, like a lot of you
can find truths in it or like

1597
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,880
good stuff that it, it can bring
to your life.

1598
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,200
Exactly for sure.
But yeah, we should definitely,

1599
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:20,280
definitely be more out out and
together, like doing stuff that,

1600
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,520
you know, like as people agree
with you.

1601
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,280
But sometimes it's, it's it's
hard to to put yourself out

1602
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,280
there or to step outside of your
shell or, you know, your own

1603
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,040
brain.
And just like, OK, I'm going to

1604
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,640
do this.
I'm going to go do this.

1605
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,480
I'm going to go try open mic.
Like the first time I went to to

1606
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:41,200
the open mic asked my wife and I
was going to explore, you know,

1607
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,840
I didn't go to to say I did.
Yeah.

1608
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,720
I was like not experimenting.
I was doing research.

1609
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,240
I was doing research.
I was like, what's going on?

1610
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,400
How does this work?
You know, yeah, it's

1611
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,920
interesting.
But that's the first step.

1612
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,520
That's okay.
You don't have to play.

1613
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:57,880
No, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1614
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,240
But walking to the room.
Just Mama and me, the person

1615
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:04,800
behind the bar, the Super nice
people, the cool people behind

1616
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,560
the bar.
And then next time you come they

1617
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:07,800
say, hey, it's good to see you
again.

1618
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,600
You're like, all right, I know
that it's okay, everything is

1619
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,920
good.
Shout out to my Mamas.

1620
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,320
By the way, yeah, shout out to
my mom.

1621
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,120
This is wild man.
That was wild.

1622
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,320
That place is amazing.
It's so, it's, it's so cool.

1623
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,560
I feel like that's the good
place that I feel like is a

1624
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,560
personification of like the 60s
and 70s, like found in today's

1625
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,640
world.
Yes, yeah, yeah.

1626
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,320
I mean, I, I didn't read a lot,
but it feels very like, you

1627
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,920
know, from what I know from
maybe movies or what you're

1628
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,720
telling from the latest story,
right, Yeah.

1629
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:38,800
And stuff like that.
Yeah.

1630
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,000
And all the people there and
just like.

1631
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,640
It's some people personalities
and people come and some people

1632
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:44,960
buy records.
Some people just come to hang

1633
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,080
out and see whatever, like just
what the people look like.

1634
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,320
Yeah.
You know, I mean so much fun.

1635
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:50,440
Yeah.
Are we going this week?

1636
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,480
I'm not going to be here.
What's up?

1637
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:55,720
Where are you going?
Well, first of all, Tuesday's

1638
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,880
hog and I'm going to, and then
I'm going to New York, NY, Yeah.

1639
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,640
I'm.
Going to play, I hate getting

1640
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,200
complaints.
Yeah, but it's a short flight.

1641
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:07,400
It's a short flight, such I.
Know about to pack.

1642
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,760
You got a pack for.
I got a pack for four, actually,

1643
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,360
by the way, I'm not even going
to do all the packing before I

1644
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,800
wipe this, but I'm going to be
slapping the things before and

1645
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,160
then and you got to be on the
and you got to be in the plane.

1646
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,240
Yeah, but that's a short.
That's like 3 hours.

1647
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,360
I mean, you have kids who are
different, but I sometimes like

1648
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,600
movies I like.
That's where I catch up on like

1649
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,360
silly movies, you know, on a
plane.

1650
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:32,760
I don't.
I don't know if you can do it

1651
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,000
with two kids.
I can.

1652
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,720
Maybe a little, Maybe.
The best I could do is take an

1653
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,960
edible and, like, listen to the
listen to the Grateful Dead in

1654
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,760
one ear, you know, while I'm,
like, hanging out the other.

1655
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,240
Exactly.
Yeah.

1656
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,400
That's the best I could deal
with that.

1657
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,120
But it's OK, you know, by the
way.

1658
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,920
And then by the way, flying by
myself since then has become a

1659
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,800
luxury.
You know, buying by myself is

1660
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,480
like, this is awesome.
You know, I'm by myself.

1661
01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:59,080
I'm playing solitaire or ball
breaker, you know, on the on the

1662
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,000
screen the whole time on the
way.

1663
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,520
Where is it going?
I think from Israel to

1664
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,800
Amsterdam.
No, Amsterdam, back to America.

1665
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,080
That's a longer, long, longer
flight.

1666
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,800
Longer flight I legitimately
probably spent 4 hours playing

1667
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,960
ball breaker on on the plane and
like I felt my eyes hurting and

1668
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,960
my head hurting and I'm like I
never get to just like sit and

1669
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,520
do nothing I'm just going to.
Yeah, I'm just going to belt

1670
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,920
your.
Brain, yeah, for sure.

1671
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,520
It's amazing.
It's amazing.

1672
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,040
It's amazing.
Nice, but.

1673
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,360
So so no open mic.
I'll try.

1674
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,320
I'll try to.
Go go to it.

1675
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,320
Go go to it.
By the way, go by yourself is

1676
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,720
more fun I think.
I actually had a lot, a lot of

1677
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,320
fun last time we went together.
It was.

1678
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,560
It was really cool.
You could be, you could be more

1679
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,920
risky without anyone there.
There's no pressure of like the

1680
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,040
person, no.
But but going with a friend, you

1681
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,640
know, it doesn't feel risky.
It feels for me, it feels

1682
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:55,960
risking quotations, going with
someone I don't know, like.

1683
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,600
Going with my wife was a
horrible was horrible for me.

1684
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,720
Yeah, it wasn't fun for me too.
It's.

1685
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,120
Hard because it was also like
I'm trying to press my wife like

1686
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,280
at the same time I don't want to
like.

1687
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,080
It's it's a too close of a
person.

1688
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,600
Yeah, right.
And like, you know, already

1689
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,240
there's there's like you guys
know each other a lot.

1690
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:12,920
And.
Yeah, exactly.

1691
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,360
But with a friends, like, I
don't, I don't care.

1692
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,760
Like, yeah, I, I feel like, you
know, like next to you.

1693
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,480
I don't, I don't care to fumble.
Yeah.

1694
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:21,320
Or to goof around.
Because, you know, I don't give

1695
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:21,840
a crap.
Exactly.

1696
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,120
And say yeah.
And vice versa.

1697
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,280
Exactly.
So that's fun.

1698
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,600
You know, you just.
And that's, that's also a big

1699
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,800
thing about like just being out
there with a community, with

1700
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,720
community over with friends,
like, yes, you know, being able

1701
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,400
to do stuff not on your own.
I mean, there's something to do

1702
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,200
things on your own and being a
wolf or whatever, that's also

1703
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,320
cool.
And there's some cool stuff in

1704
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,560
that.
But yeah.

1705
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,320
There's also that and I, I, I.
What I've found particularly fun

1706
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,360
and cool is that, like what I
said about making friends is

1707
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,760
that you guys find something in
common to begin with, right?

1708
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,040
Yeah.
If you're a relatively

1709
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,240
interesting human being, you
have probably more than one

1710
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,480
thing that you like, right?
Like, you could probably speak

1711
01:23:01,480 --> 01:23:04,280
to someone for hours about your
bike, and I'm not that person to

1712
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,640
speak to, right?
Like, it's not my language,

1713
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:07,600
right?
Yeah.

1714
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,440
And so you have friends that you
can be certain ways around based

1715
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,000
on the premise of your
relationship.

1716
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,040
You know, like my premise of my
relationship with you is

1717
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,320
largely, I would say like
emotional and musical, like just

1718
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,240
like talking about like emotions
and talking about things and

1719
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,480
then also musical.
But like so I don't so but it's

1720
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:30,240
not say based on our kids being
friends, you know, or our wives

1721
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:31,240
being friends.
So like this.

1722
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,360
So, so who we so, so this to the
side of me that comes out when

1723
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:38,480
I'm hanging out with you is it's
a side that I don't always get

1724
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:41,480
to bring out all the time.
It's a it's a side that's there

1725
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:44,280
and it's like, you know, like
it's, you know, it's I try to

1726
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,240
feed it and help it grow and
like I love it.

1727
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,280
And then when there's other
people to share with, that's

1728
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,200
when it really grows.
That's when it really, I feel

1729
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:53,280
like when we were jamming
together.

1730
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,320
You get better at playing music
just in that one experience.

1731
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,560
I'm like, I felt like I got, I
got, I became a better music

1732
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,960
player, like a better guitar
player just in that one time.

1733
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,240
And that's all it takes.
And so like, and then you have

1734
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,120
your photography friends and you
have your running friends, then

1735
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,520
you have your jiu jitsu friends,
then you have your beer friends

1736
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,320
and like, and every single side
like you're, you're, you're

1737
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,920
expressing a particular aspect
of you with someone else.

1738
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,520
They're like a embodiment of
your passion in your life to

1739
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:19,160
you.
Can be.

1740
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,760
Can be they can be right and
that and I think that's a really

1741
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,240
cool.
I think that's, that's also one

1742
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,560
of the huge benefits of
relationships is like emergence,

1743
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,440
like when you, when you share
something together so that, you

1744
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:31,480
know, the, what comes out is
bigger than the individual

1745
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:37,000
parts, you know, And so it's,
that's, that's, that's and they

1746
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,720
really, I, I'm also, I, I want
to advocate these ideas and I

1747
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,040
want to get them out like as
profoundly and.

1748
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,640
Clearly, as I can already, you
know, this podcast is really.

1749
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,680
Cool.
You just get listeners, you

1750
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,040
know, a couple more.
Even if it's one.

1751
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,920
By the way, I even want that.
I was just thinking recently, I

1752
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,480
just came to the realization
about like a couple of days ago

1753
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,400
even that there are more people
in my life that I even realized

1754
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,040
that think highly about things
that I say.

1755
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,840
Like take what I say seriously.
And that means that I have a

1756
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,680
responsibility to like be
selective about what I say.

1757
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:18,720
You know, like if I'm embodying
negativity, like about a

1758
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,720
particular thing that is
contagious to people, I've

1759
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,200
noticed.
And so that gives me the

1760
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,160
responsibility of having to be
on.

1761
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,640
Positive, positive oriented,
yeah.

1762
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,400
Or like, yeah.
Whatever that is.

1763
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:38,840
But you're still allowed to
explore and question and voice

1764
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,440
it out, right?
And also, you know, like you to

1765
01:25:42,440 --> 01:25:43,840
be a human.
But it's a wait.

1766
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,040
But if I have a 500 people
listening or 5000 people

1767
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,600
listening, I do I, do you think
I'm going to have the same kind

1768
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,000
of conversation?
You're going to be doing like

1769
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,760
the same thing.
Like that's something that I've

1770
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,280
been thinking about that like is
really.

1771
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,520
Let's let's pretend we have
sitting on me.

1772
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,800
We have for this episode live
right now.

1773
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,880
We have 10,000 people listening.
Do you think it would have gone

1774
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,360
differently?
Maybe, I don't know.

1775
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,400
It's the probably the same.
Yeah, it's probably the same.

1776
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,240
I guess it's how confident I am
and what got me there, right?

1777
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,400
Like if I'm confident that what
got me there was me doing was me

1778
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:19,120
being it was me being me, then
just keep doing that, you know?

1779
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,040
But if I felt like what's what
got me, what got me there was

1780
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:25,120
something else, then I have to
keep up that, you know, that

1781
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,800
charade or that.
But but that's that's also

1782
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,920
that's interesting.
It's cool, you know, like you

1783
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:34,760
have those morals, ethics
questions that you ask yourself,

1784
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,080
that you check yourself, you
know, that you're still in line.

1785
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,440
Like am I still in line with
what feels good to me, what

1786
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:45,400
feels like in my with religion
and even without just like as a

1787
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,080
person, Right.
Yeah, definitely.

1788
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,440
As a person.
It definitely resonates with

1789
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:54,000
Judaism and with your with the
religion, obviously, but but

1790
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,040
also just with a person.
Exactly right.

1791
01:26:58,440 --> 01:27:00,560
And I think I think that's
that's good.

1792
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,760
I think that's good.
You know, that you can you, you

1793
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:08,160
ask those questions to yourself.
And yeah, I think more people

1794
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,920
actually should ask question
like that in general for about

1795
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:17,320
themselves, you know, like am I,
am I doing good for the people

1796
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,760
around me?
I don't I don't think, I don't

1797
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,000
think enough people ask maybe
you know, a lot of people, you

1798
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,520
know, they're kind of
self-centered.

1799
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,840
I think so.
It takes time, it takes work.

1800
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,080
I had to work to become mature.
And I also think by the way,

1801
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,080
your brain evolves as you take
on more responsibilities and you

1802
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,080
learn to think that way.
So for example, like the way

1803
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,320
that you think now that you have
a wife is very different than

1804
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,280
when you thought when you were
single even when you were

1805
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,960
dating, right?
Like the way you consider things

1806
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,400
and like the way that you
measure out your actions and the

1807
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,520
way you spend your time and like
your resources is fundamentally

1808
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,720
different right now.
And it's just, it's just the way

1809
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,840
our brains work, right?
So as presumably as you progress

1810
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,320
you, as you progress through
life, as you go through

1811
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,040
different stages, your brain
evolves to become more

1812
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,880
considerate because you have
more responsibilities if you're

1813
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,200
avoiding those responsibilities,
if you're not choosing to take

1814
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,160
on those responsibilities.
And a lot of people, their

1815
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,360
brains don't evolve.
I wouldn't imagine their brains

1816
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,240
are evolving to learn to be
considerate the same way because

1817
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,480
they don't have to be.
Like, I think part of like my

1818
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:28,120
consideration is out of
necessity, I have to, I can't

1819
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,000
spend all my money on beer and
weed, you know, because I have a

1820
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,840
mortgage to pay.
And I got like his tuition bill

1821
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,520
to pay and I got to have my my
daughter's food to pay for, you

1822
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,120
know, and yeah, yeah.
You know.

1823
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,560
And so, so, so it forces me to
start thinking about things

1824
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,000
differently.
It forced me to start thinking

1825
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,920
about, well, now, yeah.
Now that I have, now that I'm

1826
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,920
considering my money, how am I
with my time?

1827
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,440
How am I with my interaction?
I think that's why a lot why

1828
01:28:51,480 --> 01:28:54,280
sometimes people can be we're
not.

1829
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:58,840
Sometimes why people can be, I
think that that's why there's a

1830
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,800
lot of weakness maybe in the
world, let's say that I think

1831
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:06,240
there is because people don't
take enough responsibility on

1832
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,600
themselves, which is not fun,
right?

1833
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:09,960
Yeah.
I, I, you know, I had

1834
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,440
conversations with my dad that I
straight up told him like, I

1835
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,240
don't want to work.
I don't want to do, you know,

1836
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,520
like I told him I if if I
straight up told him if I could,

1837
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,680
I was running Duddy or whatever,
told him if I could, I could

1838
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,960
just, I would just lay on the
beach and be a bum, you know,

1839
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,360
just do you.
Think you would you would just

1840
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,120
satisfied with your I.
Had a moment in time that I, I,

1841
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,400
I, it was really easy for me to
say that and think that right

1842
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,480
without really doing it.
I was just like, I just want to

1843
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:42,760
see sunsets all day, just be in
the ocean, you know, just want

1844
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,120
to ride a motorcycle and come
back to the ocean and just like

1845
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:51,640
play Frisbee or, you know, and
there is that side of me that,

1846
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:56,000
you know, really enjoys that,
you know, would let me indulge

1847
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,920
just being at the beach and
just, yeah, but not really, not

1848
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:05,400
really just doing that right.
But I think there's also that

1849
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:10,400
like that there's a lot of
weakness and, and and self doubt

1850
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:15,400
and not taking responsibility
and and like trying to put more

1851
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,760
on yourself, you know, like, oh,
I can take more, you know, yeah,

1852
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,040
I can be a husband.
Yeah.

1853
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,440
I can have like a serious job
and maybe even workers under

1854
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:27,160
you.
Or I'm afraid of that part of.

1855
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:31,560
That kids, Yeah, Well, makes
sense, you know, makes sense.

1856
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:35,760
Maybe Jordan Peterson came up on
my You should be.

1857
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:40,000
You should be.
You should.

1858
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:41,760
Be by the way, you should feel
better man.

1859
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,560
Apparently apparently he's been
super sick but.

1860
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,840
Just set it.
Yeah, it's so good.

1861
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:50,680
So good, by the way, you damn
well should be.

1862
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:54,800
He's great.
I love.

1863
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,440
Him.
Yeah, man, that guy's a trip.

1864
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,200
That guy's a trip.
I what's fun about him.

1865
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,880
So my friend pointed out to me
the other day, he's like, he

1866
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,640
said, he admits he's like like
20 years ago he had his ideas

1867
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,800
and like the last 10 years or 15
years, he's like flushing them

1868
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,600
out in real time, you know, And
I think people and people are

1869
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,720
giving him a hard time about
like not having fully

1870
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,800
established ideas a lot of the
time.

1871
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,280
And they say, oh, he talks a lot
and it's a lot of, you know,

1872
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,400
gibberish.
But I think it's part of the

1873
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:25,320
process of getting to like
discovering your idea like to.

1874
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:26,960
A point.
To a point you think.

1875
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,760
No, no, you're saying?
Oh, to a point, yeah.

1876
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:35,240
So for example, you know, there
if if there's something about

1877
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:36,880
there's something that's
bothering about teaching, right.

1878
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,960
And it felt like I was investing
myself and try to find the most

1879
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,120
fun classes for my students.
And for some reason, and I tried

1880
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:44,280
to keep them fun and
entertaining.

1881
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,120
Like it gives me music and it's
going to be a project and

1882
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:47,720
they're going to be able to like
choose their own way to do it.

1883
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,200
It's going to be so much fun.
And then I explained to them and

1884
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:53,920
I'm like, and here it is.
And they're like, how many

1885
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,840
sentences does it have to be?
You know, I'm like, what?

1886
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:58,840
I don't care.
Just like do well.

1887
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,520
And they're like, no, I'm like,
and I'm like, oh, wait.

1888
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,600
And then it took me, it took me
months to like talk it out to my

1889
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,280
friends and like be like, I
don't get it.

1890
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,880
And like, what could it be?
And you know, maybe it's the way

1891
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:10,760
that I'm presenting it.
Maybe.

1892
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,520
And then I realized like, oh,
wait a minute, I'm teaching

1893
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,400
because I want to teach.
And they're in school because

1894
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,080
they're forced to be in school.
And if they're not in school,

1895
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,280
then their parents going to get
mad at them and they're going to

1896
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,760
be in trouble.
And like we're both coming at

1897
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,080
this from totally different
areas.

1898
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:28,120
And like, it took me like 3 or 4
months of talking this idea out

1899
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:31,000
with different people, like my
mom and my friends and my wife

1900
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,960
and, and my, and the principal
of the school and like talking

1901
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,240
about these ideas.
And then after some amount of

1902
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,080
time talking it like it just
like like it's almost like a

1903
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,440
sculpture where like you chip
away at different like pieces.

1904
01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:42,720
No, it's not that.
No, it's not that.

1905
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,160
And then you have the final
product like, oh, now I see what

1906
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,200
this is.
This is what it is.

1907
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,520
Very cool.
Yeah, Honestly, it's very cool.

1908
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:52,880
Very interesting also, and very,
very connected.

1909
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,920
I can see what you're saying
about Jordan Pearson.

1910
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,920
And I think that's also a part
of like, you know, the the

1911
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,760
mainstream thought or
consciousness, right?

1912
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,040
That it's everything, especially
nowadays, has to be rushed.

1913
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,000
We're watching 22nd videos.
Oh, you didn't get to your

1914
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,560
point.
You're stumbling on your words.

1915
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:15,720
Or maybe you're still developing
a point because the world is

1916
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:19,000
still in motion and you know,
things can coexist and whatever.

1917
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,560
I don't know, I'm very
generalizing, but you get what

1918
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,080
I'm saying.
It's very interesting what you

1919
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,440
said that, you know, like it
took you in a few months to

1920
01:33:26,440 --> 01:33:29,520
really see the whole picture and
and kind of figure it out like

1921
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:30,280
that.
It's it's.

1922
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,720
There's a lot of things, there's
a lot of things that happen.

1923
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,720
And I think that that's been
like that's been for me, the

1924
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:42,120
most useful and helpful tool to
get to know myself is talk is

1925
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:48,440
really talking to people in a
very open and honest and raw way

1926
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:57,960
because and then getting
feedback and a lot of times

1927
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,640
being forced to explain yourself
helps make sure that you really

1928
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,320
understand the idea.
Well, you know, it's a classic

1929
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,240
thing with like, you know, when
I was in school, the teacher was

1930
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:07,280
like, oh, you get in.
I'm like, yeah, OK, well say

1931
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,560
back to me and you're like, I
can't, but I get the idea.

1932
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,600
Are you familiar with this white
Jamaican boy?

1933
01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:18,400
His real name is Gideon.
I forgot his Instagram Instagram

1934
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:24,200
tag but shout out to Gideon.
So he's it's like, I don't know,

1935
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:28,680
like his content sometimes, you
know, it's like 818 plus, right?

1936
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,400
It's not for kids, right?
The things he talks about or

1937
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,720
whatever.
But he's hilarious.

1938
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,480
But he also he trolls people.
So for example, he would go in

1939
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:41,840
Jamaica or in the United States,
and he will tell you a joke and

1940
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:43,920
he will see like you want to
hear a joke.

1941
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:49,040
And then in his patois, Jamaican
accent, OK, go.

1942
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,720
Then the fish and the fish and
the lizard.

1943
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,840
And they said hello, ha, ha, ha.
And he starts laughing.

1944
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,440
And then the other person laughs
too from discomfort.

1945
01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:01,320
Yeah.
And they ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

1946
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:02,880
And then?
You get it.

1947
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,800
Funny, right?
And then you get it and then the

1948
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,760
person says yes and he's like,
explain it.

1949
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,200
And then it's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1950
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,600
It was a show, by the way, what
we people find funny, right?

1951
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,560
Like I, I love going to the
movies and laughing with an

1952
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,120
audience.
Like I love going to the movie.

1953
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:22,560
Like I'm a Marvel fan, right?
The feeling when Captain America

1954
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:26,520
and End Game picked up Thor's
hammer and the whole theatre

1955
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:32,400
exploded was such a like moment
where it's like how many people

1956
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,320
are doing IMAX theatre, right?
It's like 200 people are all

1957
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:41,600
there and everyone goes and
like, and like you're just

1958
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,440
surrounded like people
celebrating and you're like

1959
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,800
elated and like, and then you
watch it again at home.

1960
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:48,880
You're like, that was pretty
cool, you know, you know, but

1961
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,360
like there's something so and
also go out there goes to like

1962
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,520
the shared experiences that like
these things are contagious, you

1963
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,480
know, and these things and like
you walk away and they're

1964
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:58,120
heightened and they're fun and
they're cool.

1965
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:01,840
But, but, you know, to the
point, like to the point is that

1966
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,960
the best way that I got to know
myself is because I'm trying to

1967
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,480
explain myself to people.
And if they don't get it, it

1968
01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:10,320
forces me to try to explain it
more clearly or cut down or cut

1969
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,840
away crap or cut, you know, to
the root of things or the core

1970
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:14,960
of things.
And then I'm like, oh, wait,

1971
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:17,440
that's what it really is the
whole time, you know, and I

1972
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:19,800
didn't even know that though.
I didn't even know that until I

1973
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,120
was like, you know, to figure it
out, you know, So it's all there

1974
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,360
and you kind of and, and, and,
and, and it helps and it helps

1975
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,680
to talk and refine it.
And that's why therapy, I think,

1976
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,320
is so useful to people.
And that's why people that like

1977
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:36,040
have close good friends, a lot
of times they're mentally a lot

1978
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,160
more healthy if they feel like
they can confide in people and

1979
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,240
have real conversations. 100%,
yeah.

1980
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,760
Because you're not.
You're not just speaking to

1981
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,360
yourself without words, like
thinking, right?

1982
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:47,560
Yeah.
You're not just in your head.

1983
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,440
You hear yourself, which is a
different process.

1984
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,280
Probably also neurologic, like
physical, right?

1985
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:57,040
You're listening to your pitch
even right now, the addiction,

1986
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:58,600
right?
That's how you say addiction.

1987
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,080
Addiction.
I was about to say dictation.

1988
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,880
Dictation is another word that's
all similar, yeah.

1989
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,520
Dictator to dictate something to
lead the way, yeah.

1990
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:07,640
Interesting.
OK.

1991
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:09,640
You dictate to Siri.
Yeah, yeah.

1992
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:14,040
So you hear yourself, right.
And then you can, if you're

1993
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,440
being aware and really trying to
listen to yourself and what

1994
01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:21,720
you're trying to listening
right, then you're able to

1995
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:26,000
really process yourself better
or differently, right, Even the

1996
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,920
way that you write things down
for sure.

1997
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,840
Yeah.
And that's, yeah, that's your

1998
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:36,440
point, you know, like being like
being out there and, and maybe

1999
01:37:36,440 --> 01:37:38,200
talking to other people and
being together.

2000
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,920
I definitely notice a big
difference.

2001
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:46,040
Just like even even with you or
just speaking to friends, for

2002
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,640
sure.
Because, yeah, if not, if I'm

2003
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,200
not doing that, then I'm not
feeling well.

2004
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:53,560
We need to be outside.
Yeah.

2005
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
My favorite question to ask you

2006
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,320
about is what are you thinking?
Yeah.

2007
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:58,400
So what do you think?
What do you think?

2008
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,000
And they're like about what I'm
like, I don't know whatever is

2009
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,360
in your mind, Like I want to
hear like your train.

2010
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,840
I want to like hear your train
of thought.

2011
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,480
I want to.
And a lot of times, by the way,

2012
01:38:05,480 --> 01:38:08,440
and I could tell who I like
based on what their answer a lot

2013
01:38:08,440 --> 01:38:11,200
of the time is.
Because if you will get annoyed

2014
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,640
by that question, they're like,
I don't want to bother like

2015
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,480
thinking about expressing what
I'm thinking.

2016
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,000
And I'm like, that's not really
like fun, you know, like that,

2017
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,120
you know, like, OK, we could
talk about something stupid that

2018
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,560
I could like, I could, I could
look up on Twitter.

2019
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,240
But like, yeah, I want to get to
know you.

2020
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,880
Like, I want to get to know
like, what makes you a human

2021
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:30,440
being?
You know?

2022
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:32,640
Like there's something there
that like, I want to have a

2023
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,240
relationship with.
And if there isn't, then like,

2024
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:36,920
what am I having a relationship
with, you know?

2025
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,760
Maybe there or maybe there's no
because, you know, you don't.

2026
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,640
Not everybody connects, you
know, like it doesn't.

2027
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,400
Yeah, my friends said the the
friendship is different.

2028
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,160
You know, the conversations are
different and it's also like

2029
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,160
different depths.
You know, it can be a little

2030
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,520
more shallow or whatever.
And that's also.

2031
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:53,600
Yeah, also the perfect.
It's fun.

2032
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,920
Yeah, it's fun for sure.
Should we should we get the

2033
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,720
jamming a little bit?
Yeah, but I think, but I think

2034
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,480
off.
Yes, let's call it here.

2035
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,720
This is a lot of fun, dude.
I really appreciate it.

2036
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:04,440
It's your first podcast.
You did first podcast.

2037
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:06,040
What do you think?
That was really fun.

2038
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,360
Just that means another
conversation with you, so I.

2039
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,880
Know, but it's.
Just having just talking shit.

2040
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,960
I think it's a great time.
Yeah, a ton of fun.

2041
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:14,200
All right, dude, thank you so
much for doing this.

2042
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,760
I really appreciate it.
Come together.

2043
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:17,320
Right now.