#126: Dr Michael Broukhim / Ketamine Therapy / Judaism / Meaning Post Capitalism/ AI

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together,

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and we're live with Doctor
Michael Brokheim.

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Brokheim.
Yes, awesome.

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Brokheim.
Brokheim.

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Brokheim is better.
Brokheim beautiful, which means

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welcome, doesn't it?
Bless.

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Blessed.
It's pretty good.

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It's pretty good.
Well, I'm really excited to talk

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to you.
Mariah introduced us, you know,

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as soon as I finished talking
with him and his was by actually

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by far had the most listened so
far.

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He was very popular.
His episode.

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We talked a little bit about
generational trauma and finding

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meaning in life and stuff like
that.

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You know, all the important big
questions that everyone's

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looking for these days.
And after I finished talking to

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him, I said, you know, would
you, do you have any?

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I thought this was awesome.
Do you have any recommendations

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for anyone else that you think I
would speak to?

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And he and you, he responded
right away with your name.

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So I've been excited ever since
then.

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So it's been a couple of weeks,
but here we are.

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Thanks for coming.
Thanks for having me.

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Of course.
So what's been on to us?

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So.
So tell me a little bit about

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yourself.
You're an integrative

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psychiatrist.
And I actually asked my wife

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what that meant last night
because she I said because she,

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she was like, oh, that's so
cool.

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And I said, well, you know what
I mean?

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She's like, I think it means he
integrates all sorts of

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different things into his
psychiatry.

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And I'm like, oh, well, that
sounds right.

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So you want to tell me a little
bit about a little bit about

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that?
Yeah, As a integrated

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psychiatrist, you can also call
it a holistic psychiatrist

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because I blend aspects of
conventional treatment, event

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space treatment with more, let's
say, let's say, not as popular

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treatment.
Sometimes there's not as much

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evidence for it.
This can be supplements, this

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can be other forms of therapy.
It could be psychedelic assisted

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psychotherapy.
It could be, you know, more of a

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focus on spirituality.
I might refer people to, I might

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prefer patients to, you know,
hypnotherapists, which is again,

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not not common practice amongst
the psychiatrist.

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So I like to use whatever works,
and sometimes we don't always

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know the research behind it, but
I know it works because I've had

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patients report feeling a lot
better and things resolve.

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Right, so if it works, it works
as the expression goes.

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If it works, it works, but also
it doesn't cause any harm.

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There's minimal risk, right?
Right.

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How did you how did you develop
this attitude?

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Because I know that it's a
little more common, I guess, you

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know, the last couple of years I
feel like, but you know, I think

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that generally speaking, most
people have a story how they how

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they became more open minded to
the non conventional, you know,

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and I certainly have my own
story, you know, experiences for

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my own unconventional roots
throughout different places in

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my life.
But you know what?

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How did you, how did you decide
to embrace all these different

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aspects of it?
It was, it was on my mind as my

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dad was slowly passing away from
cancer when I was 19.

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I was thinking about what would
help him stay alive.

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So that that was a big, big part
of it.

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And then a few months after my
dad passed away, I came upon a

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research project where I was
involved in a study that

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involved looking at healers who
could heal cells in a Petri dish

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from thousands of miles away.
So all product healing similar

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to Reiki and they this modality
they they use certain

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frequencies to them it's colors
that are associated with

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healing, usually blue-green and
white and they would send it to

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the cells.
And when I read the textbook for

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this modality actually comes
from Kabbalah.

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Really.
Yeah, it says in textbook.

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This is like a has origins from
Kabbalah.

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OK.
And is this something that's

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cut, that's being researched a
good amount?

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Like I've I've never really
heard of this unless I'm just it

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isn't another rabbit haven't
gone down yet.

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I I don't think there's that
much research being done on this

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healing modality.
Unfortunately, the project that

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I worked on couldn't get
published because the researcher

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passed away.
I see, I see.

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And when that happens, could
someone pick up research?

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Like could someone pick up like
from his lab or something from

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his state?
Be like, hey, you know, it's

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cool.
I mean, I think that happens

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again.
I don't have an extensive

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research background.
Primarily did it during college,

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but he didn't really share the
data with anyone else to to

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publish it something.
Right, so you 19 is young, by

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the way, because I remember when
I was reading story, I, I used,

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you know, whenever you hear
these kind of stories until

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you're 19, until you place
yourself when you were the in

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the head or the mind of a 19
year old, you know, you kind of

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think, ah, 19, you're pretty
much an adult, you know, you're

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pretty mature, but you're really
not, you know, you're really

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not.
And I can't even imagine.

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I can't even imagine.
That's your experience as a 30

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year old, you know, with a
family and you know, my own

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income and my own, you know,
everything like that.

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I can't even imagine, you know
that.

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So how, what would you, what
would you do to cope?

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What was your, what would you
do?

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Did you turn to anything?
Did you have any kind of relief?

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What was your?
What was your system?

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I mean, what kept me, I don't
want to say distracted, but I

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was very focused on school.
I was in college when this

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happened.
But I think there was a sense of

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the fact that my dad, two months
after he passed away, talk to a

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patient like his spirit, talk to
a patient and relayed a message

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to me.
I got my dad's always a lot.

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That's crazy.
What was that?

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What happened?
It was the day after Christmas,

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December 2007 and a patient said
that my dad came to him while he

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was getting X-rays to tell me
that I need to obtain the

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knowledge.
Really.

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That was it, Yeah.
What do you make of that?

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Well, you know, I I still don't
fully know, but I am constantly

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seeking new knowledge ever since
then and it continues with

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starting rabbinical school in
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So I don't know what that I
don't know what the knowledge

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is, but I'm a very curious
person and I love learning about

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a variety of things, whether
it's within my own field,

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whether it's about health,
spirituality, physics, I mean,

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so I, the way I, I kind of
integrate that message is just

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continue to be curious.
Right, I so funny that you say

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that.
I had, I did my first breath

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work class of a couple months
back and you know, it was, I

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forgot the type of breathing.
It's I think similar to Wynhoff

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though, where you kind of take
two inhalers and then an exhale,

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you know, and it kind of gets
you into a little bit more of a

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psychedelic type headspace.
And, and for a long time I've

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been numbing, you know, either
consciously or unconsciously or

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both numbing, you know, the fact
that I was not only a father,

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but a relatively new father of
two, you know, and I don't think

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that that ever really fully
processed in my, in my head, you

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know, I mean, I was taking, I
was going through the motions

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and having the responsibilities.
And part of the reason why was

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because I think that I didn't
really have a idea as to what a

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father figure or role I was
really, I'm really supposed to

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be taking.
Yeah, I think that a lot of

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young men in general kind of
have this kind of problem today

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where we don't really know what
kind of identity a father role

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should have.
You know, we know that a

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generation is very strict.
We know that a generation is

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very lenient.
And we kind of don't know, you

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know, like, you know, I'd say my
grandparents generation say they

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generally the people that are in
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much stricter.
And my dad, that's in his late

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50s, early 60s, was extremely,
extremely laid back.

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And I wasn't sure which one is
kind of better or which way to

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go.
And while I'm doing this

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breathing my, my grandfather,
who'd passed away about two,

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about two months after my, my
first son was born, So just over

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2 years ago, I, I completely
felt his spirit extremely,

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extremely, tangibly right next
to me.

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And, you know, and, and I have,
and you know, I have, he and I

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were very, very close.
He was a Holocaust survivor.

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He was, he, he was in a Soviet
labour camp.

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And you know, he came to America
when he's about 10 or 12 years

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old.
And he was the tough, loving

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authority, but family oriented
figure.

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He was like the, I guess, you
know, prototype father role.

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And he didn't, you know, he
wasn't perfect himself.

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He had a lot of, you know, anger
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general at the world, at the
pain.

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And but I was able to actually,
while I was reading to it, I was

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able to really experience the
root of his, of a lot of what

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his anger was.
And I felt like it was either

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fear or not being, you know, it
was a combination of fear and

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not feeling like he was being
heard or understood in a very,

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very primal kind of way.
And that would end what he

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didn't get angry to try to hurt
people.

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He got angry to express himself
or when he felt like he was

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being backed into a corner.
And I didn't know at the time,

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you know, what that was about or
why I was, you know, having that

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particular experience.
And like after a couple of

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weeks, I was like, this has
like, you know, like my, my

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grandfather visiting me, I Saba
visiting me, you know, was for a

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reason.
I almost felt like his spirit

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got a little comforted by my
understanding of his spirit, you

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know, and, you know, I don't
know whether this is completely

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just in my head while I'm trying
to make meaning out of it or

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whether this is something that's
really metaphysical and really

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real.
But it certainly feels like

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it's, it's changed my life.
It's changed my outlook in the

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way, that, you know, I perceive
reality and the way that I

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perceive myself even, you know.
Well, I, I, I tell people that

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when a loved one passes away,
you actually get to be closer to

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them because they're no longer
limited by their physical body

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to engage you.
Right.

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So you might have a living
grandparent who lives, you know,

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multiple states away and they
feel far.

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But again, when they pass away,
you can actually engage their

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spirit at any moment, at any
part of the day.

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And it's not limited by time or
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So no, Yeah, I think, I think
you're ability to connect with

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your your grandfather is very
likely to have happened and and

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it's very accessible.
Right.

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Can you tell me a little bit
about the ketamine therapy or

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ketamine assisted therapy and
kind of a little bit more of,

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you know, your experiences with
how that's worked or you know,

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what the process is like is I
actually have not done very much

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homework on ketamine.
I feel like it's, I don't know,

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there's something that that's a
little a little more unnerving

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to me about ketamine than like
psilocybin or, or LSD or

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something like that.
And I don't know why I have that

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kind of inclination.
But can you tell me about your,

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you know, the experiences as you
know as a therapist or as a

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psychiatrist with it and what
you've noticed and what are the

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benefits or otherwise of it?
Yes, I'll I'll go into the

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history of Academy Academine is
used for anesthesia.

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It was originally created for
that.

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I think they started using it
maybe 50s or in the 60s.

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And over time, I think people
started noticing that patients

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were having psychedelic
experiences on it.

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And there's this great story.
I'm trying my what what book I

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read it from, but there was this
hospital that had some healers

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and some clairvoyant people come
to the hospital and say, what

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are you guys doing in this
hospital because your patients

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are coming into our energetic
space.

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And they realized that like it
was their patients on ketamine

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fat energetically transported to
their space.

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incorporated with with
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Last 10 years, ketamine
treatment for anxiety and

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depression have become really
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I can tell you in LA there are a
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you can get lozenges.
IV ketamine, What does it do

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biochemically?
It's A and then the NMDA

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antagonist receptor to
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to antidepressive effects.
But there's more and more

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research shows that it does a
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It's not just the one specific
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effects.
And it's legal.

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It's the only legal substance
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Sure.
And I've seen it do a lot of

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things in my work with it.
I've seen not only people being

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less anxious, depressed, but
also letting go of unresolved

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trauma, improving your
relationship with yourself,

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improving people's relationship
with pain.

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So like pain, their experience
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change can happen really fast.
Like like people can improve

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quite quite quickly.
There are cases where people

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actually get more depressed for
more suicidal.

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Really.
Yeah, I mean, there, there,

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there are those cases of that.
And so we just know that they're

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not a good candidate for doing
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But it it really helps people
who are very stuck to a certain

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type of story to let go of that
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Let letting go of stories that
don't don't serve them.

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The way that I've understood it
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that like the way our brain
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associations.
And as time goes on, those

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associations become further and
further entrenched, almost like

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you're digging, like, like a
digging a path, you know, And

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the further along it goes, the
deeper the path is.

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And you know, you could get out
of it, you know, you could find

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your way out of the trench.
You could find your way out of

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that, you know, those
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negative, you know, but it would
take a lot of slow work.

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psychedelics is that they allow

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you to to quit relatively
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change or at least reframe those
those associations with you.

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Was that is that your experience
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Yeah, from a neurogenesis
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very quickly with with
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we have a negative or positive
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neurons that are formed, which
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PTSD can develop pretty quickly
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psychedelics just really
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direction.
Like you can actually become,

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and I've seen this, people can
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I'm extremely anxious.
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creative.
The sense of like cushion from

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their negative thoughts.
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So what do you, what can you do
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you can do to kind of make
people a little bit more open

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minded to the concept or the
notion of some kind of

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psychedelic treated therapy?
I know that living in

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California, you're probably
having a little bit of an easier

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time than, you know, going to
visit Wisconsin or, you know,

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even, you know, parts of Florida
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But you know, how, how, what,
what do we like?

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You know, there's an enormous
amount of stigma behind it.

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And, you know, there's not
nearly, for example, as much

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stigma behind getting a
prescribed pain medication, you

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know, or something like that.
So, So what would you, what,

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what would you, what, what would
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get, would you to tell people to
be a little more on board with

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it?
Well, I think what what would

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help is 1, someone's already
tried other treatments already,

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they've tried multiple
medications, they've tried other

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forms of therapy and they're not
finding any relief or long term

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solutions.
So that typically convinces

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someone to pursue treatment 2
When people want a treatment

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that works a little bit more
quickly, that might be an

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incentive for them to want to do
it.

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And again, it's really to the
first point is like some people

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have suffered so much for so
long that the pain of what

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they've been experiencing is
like, I just need, I need

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something that works.
And again, they've tried

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everything already.
They're still really suffering.

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Like they don't really.
And they know the risks and

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benefits.
I mean, that's, that's all

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that's needed.
So we, I mean, a lot of patients

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who have said, you know, I, I'll
be the last guy who would ever

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want to do anything like
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This is psychotherapy.
But I'm so tired or desperate of

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feeling all this pain and the
suffering and feeling this

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paralyzed.
Now what can also help someone

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feel safe to pursue this
treatment is doing it with a

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therapist.
So I usually recommend to only

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do with a therapist, not just go
to a center and get an IV

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treatment and leave Doing it
with a therapist, you know, do

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it with the IV because it's more
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They can control the doctor can
control the dose and there's

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weighted.
There's ways to do it in a very

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Safeway in a good container with
good support staff with the

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therapist being present.
The doctor can be present as

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well to administer like the the
dosing per per hour and can be a

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really great experience.
Yeah, I'm really, you know, it's

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funny because I feel like I
think the music culture has

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probably also had a huge, a
hugely positive influence or

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impact on people's willingness
to try them out.

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Because, you know, it's, I've
been, I'm very into the 60s

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counterculture movement and, you
know, the Grateful Dead and, you

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know, that whole era of beats
and hippies.

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I did a couple of fun podcasts
with some guys that were around

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back then and.
Excuse me.

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And and you know, one of the
cool things about the music

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culture is that, and I know
this, notice this even my even

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myself today, you know, with
guys that are fish fans or

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Grateful Dead fans that, you
know, you could be an investment

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banker.
That's the straightest guy

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you'll ever see in your entire
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You could be a hippie, you know,
that never worked a straight job

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his entire life.
And they all kind of come

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together around this music and,
and, you know, that that kind of

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era of music kind of it felt, it
definitely feels to me like it

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created more of a community and
open minded world where people

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realize that, hey, you know,
just because we look so

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different on the outside or
spend so much time, you know,

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spend so much of our time
differently, you know, we still

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have this in common.
And this is something that we

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all find relatable.
I feel like that really opened

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up the floodgates for, you know,
the potential of, you know, what

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else do we do, do we have in
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of being able to acknowledge

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that, you know.
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But have you, have you done any
kind of homework in terms of

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using psychedelics for, for, for
aging, like Alzheimer's or

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dementia or anything like that?
Because I've been, I've been

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hearing some, some, you know,
some whispers and a little bit

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of research every now and then
or some posts and articles that

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that mentioned that part of the
neuro, the, the neural

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generation that occurs, you
know, when taking psychedelics

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would potentially help with
dementia or Alzheimer's of those

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type of diseases.
I've not looked much into that,

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that data.
I, I, I haven't heard of it.

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I have heard it's not fully
related, but I have heard of

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psychedelic.
It's a psychotherapy helping

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people that have, for example,
people that are on the spectrum

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that that are opposite can help
them be more sociable.

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Really.
So increase your social

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awareness and your and I guess
that part of your brain that

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kind of contextualizes or is
good at context like social.

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Engagement, social engagement
improves one way and then it

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seems like it does.
It kind of slows things down for

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for that for that population.
Really.

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Interesting, even people with
ADHD have said that they can

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focus better after doing certain
types of psychedelics like like

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psilocybin can be really great
for ADHD symptoms.

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And do you see like a world in
which, you know, like a kid has

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ADHD, so you give him, you know,
like a little, I'm not a kid,

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but adults say, you know, you
know, 18 you're working or 21

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you're working.
And instead of taking on

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Adderall, you give them a little
micro dose of a, of a, of a

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mushroom candy that they take
once a day.

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And like, that's fine.
Or you don't think that's going

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to happen anytime soon?
I think it happened very soon.

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Oh, you think so?
Yeah.

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I hope so.
I.

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Mean again, it's, it's, it's,
you know, so sad and still

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illegal.
But I've heard from a lot of

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people outside of treatment that
they use psilocybin to help them

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focus, like a small dose, right?
And it's helpful.

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Right.
Yeah, I hope so.

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I hope so.
That'd be so cool.

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You know, I mean, I, I and I've
heard anecdotes of people, you

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know, of that happening too.
I've never heard it being used

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in the context of ADD, but I'd
be really interested in in in

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observing what that you know
what that is.

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Can you, I also saw that, you
know, while I'm doing while I'm

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doing some prep that you that
you've drove down a little bit

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of evolutionary psychology or
psychiatry, and I happen to be

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super, super interested in that.
Do you want to tell me a little

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bit about of, you know, any of
the work or research that you've

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done with that or I understand?
Evolutionary Psychiatry.

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Evolutionary.
Yeah, or psychology.

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I mean, I'm somewhat familiar
with it.

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I wouldn't say it's my area of
of of expertise.

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Gotcha.
OK, Well then let's talk about

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your religious this, this
rabbinical school and your, this

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religious journey that you're
that you're that you're heading

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towards.
Yeah, decided this, I think it

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was this May to move forward
with starting rabbinical school.

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I've been thinking about it for
about about a year before May of

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this year.
And you know, I went to Jewish

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private school growing up and I
enjoyed reading, reading the

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Torah.
I wasn't like super passionate

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about it.
But when I started reading the

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Torah again couple years ago
with two friends and like

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discussing the partial each
week, I was just fascinated

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with.
What caused you guys doing that?

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I just got invited.
Oh, really?

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You got I got invited to being
like this discussion group.

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You just joined it.
Yeah, I just joined it and I

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loved it.
I love reading the partnership

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and discussing it, bringing the
commentary.

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It's just very intellectually
simulating not just the humash,

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but you know, look at Joshua,
King Samuel, Isaiah.

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It's it's just fascinating.
It's I like learning about also

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I can just enjoying reading the
history of the early, early

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history of jewelry, the early
part of Israel, which is super

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fascinating and you learn a lot
about leadership A.

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Time.
You learn a lot about it and I

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can say with a lot of the
difficulties I've had in my life

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this past year or so, I've
really I thought about our our

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forefathers, Abraham, Isaac,
Jacob, Joseph, Moses, think

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David, just the the thing, the
things that you need to keep in

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mind when you make really
difficult decision to overcome

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obstacles.
There's lots of it.

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I have just started studying
with learning with a friend of

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mine in the mornings.
We're very close friends and you

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know, and it's so funny because
I think that a lot of people

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have like a Jew, you know,
religious aspect to their lives,

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or you know, at least a God
fearing or observant aspect to

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their lives and like their own
lives.

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I feel like they have, you know,
and that's kind of what

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everyone's relationship is.
So certain times and places

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like, OK, now it's time for God
and religion.

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And then other times they're
like, OK, now it's time for me

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time, you know, now it's time to
do whatever I feel like doing,

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you know, and, and I really
don't.

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And I, and part of what I, what
I try to do is I try to make

449
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the, I try to blur the lines as
much as possible.

450
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,400
I don't want there to be
separate lines.

451
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,200
You know, I think that the the
the Torah, the Bible, you know,

452
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,160
the Jewish law, the Jewish word
is something that's specifically

453
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,760
supposed to permeate through all
aspects of our lives.

454
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,640
And the better off and the
better that we are at it, you

455
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,280
know, the more intentional,
conscientious and elevated we

456
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,360
have an elevated consciousness
on the day-to-day life.

457
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:43,680
Yeah.
You know.

458
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,080
A prime.
There is no blurred lines,

459
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,560
there's no blurring.
It's it's everything I mean.

460
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,960
But the Torah makes it
explicitly clear God is present

461
00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,280
everywhere.
And that it is life, Kim Kyenu.

462
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,800
It's our lives, you know?
Yeah, and so reading the Torah

463
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,520
again as an adult and just
having my my background as a

464
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,520
psychiatrist, that's why
becoming becoming a rabbi was

465
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:19,440
just a no brainer for me is just
the awareness that every single

466
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,280
behavior we take is going to be
evaluated by my God.

467
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,960
And there.
So it's kind of an empowering

468
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,880
feeling as a human being knowing
that every single decision I

469
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,120
make is going to have
significant impact on the world.

470
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,800
I and you won't fully know what
that is, but just know that has

471
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,720
significant involvement, which
then makes you be not fearful,

472
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,360
but just very conscientious
about which thoughts you choose

473
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,400
to engage in and like bring into
life and which ones you can

474
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,960
ignore.
Yeah, it's a great, it's a great

475
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,240
way of putting that up.
Yeah.

476
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,600
It's, you know, I think that you
know, with the beauty, the

477
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,800
beauty of a lot of this is, and
I'm sure that part, this is part

478
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,760
of why you're enjoying it so
much more now is that as you

479
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,280
become, you know, more as you,
as you hopefully mature in your

480
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,320
life and you know, develop in
the course of your life, you

481
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,640
take on additional
responsibilities, whether that's

482
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,680
a job or a wife or kids, or, you
know, whatever it is that you're

483
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,160
choosing to take on.
And you start to realize that

484
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840
all your actions have an impact
on other people as well.

485
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,080
And you know, when you're a kid
with the beauty of youth is

486
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,880
real, is that your behavior
almost exists in a vacuum.

487
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,800
You feel like, you know, you can
just do whatever you want,

488
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,320
however you feel like, and
that's fine.

489
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,720
And then as you become older,
you know, take on

490
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,000
responsibilities.
Hey, if I sleep in today, that

491
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,320
means my wife had to wake up
early.

492
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,480
And I don't want that.
You know, if hey, if I, if I

493
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,920
didn't, if I didn't change my
kids diaper, that means that my

494
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,960
wife had to do that or the kids
running around with The Dirty

495
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,120
diaper, you know, what am I
going to do?

496
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000
You know, I think having that
elevated sense of consciousness

497
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,400
and awareness, you know, starts
to speak and make more sense to

498
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,160
you as you become an adult.
And as a youth, you kind of want

499
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,880
to learn how to, you want to
kind of push the line a little

500
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,240
bit or total line or figure out
what, you know, like, oh, all my

501
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200
actions are in a vacuum.
And I think that actually is a

502
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,920
beautiful thing for a certain
point of time.

503
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,440
I don't know if it's forever,
you know?

504
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:19,640
And it this is related in the
sense that if you look at

505
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,200
Abraham, you know, Moses, for
example, it took a long time for

506
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,600
them to engage God, like I think
Abraham was in his 80s. 75. 5

507
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,120
Moses was around 80.
They were, they were shepherds,

508
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,720
I think.
I think in terms of you can say

509
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,080
prophecy, the person that really
seemed to have that type of

510
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,920
experience a lot sooner was
Joseph in in prison.

511
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,760
I think he.
Was only like 30 he.

512
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,680
Had when he was young, but but
he was able to get there pretty

513
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,960
quickly because he suffered a
lot.

514
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,240
I mean, he went through a lot.
I mean, he was sold off, you

515
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,520
know, then he was accused of,
you know, sexual harassment.

516
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760
And so I think that's an
important lesson for today's

517
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:18,920
world of a sense of patience
with having your calling that

518
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,320
you have to kind of earn your
stripes to really gain a sense

519
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,320
of wisdom from from from above.
But it takes work, like whether

520
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,800
it's life experiences or it's
learning, it's that's what it

521
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,160
takes to really receive some
type of, I don't know what's the

522
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,920
right term, but yeah, wisdom is
the word that that comes up,

523
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,560
wisdom from, from.
It's so funny that you say that

524
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,480
because I, I had a very profound
experience.

525
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,520
I was in my, I guess my about
five years ago.

526
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,960
It was maybe I was turning 25.
So it was about almost exactly 5

527
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,520
years ago, Yeah.
And I was still single and I

528
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,120
didn't know what I wanted to do
with my life.

529
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760
And I was very, very much in my
head about it.

530
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,120
And I felt like I was
regressing.

531
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,720
I'd moved away from home and
then I moved back and I had a

532
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,200
girlfriend I was serious with.
And then it didn't work out and

533
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,800
I didn't like working with my
dad.

534
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,440
And now I'm living with him, you
know, and everything kind of

535
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,560
just felt like it was kind of
falling apart.

536
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,920
And I was really beating myself
up about the fact that.

537
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,600
And not only that, I'm turning
25 and at the time, and I'm a

538
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,600
huge music junkie and I'm, you
know, and I'm thinking about

539
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,240
Springsteen, I'm thinking about
Bob Dylan.

540
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,160
I'm thinking about Springsteen
came up with Born to Run when he

541
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
was 23.
And Bob Dylan ain't, God knows

542
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,960
how much he put out by the time
he was 25, you know, and what

543
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,000
he, what he accomplished.
And then actually I was reading

544
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,360
the portion, the partial, and I
was reading the, you know, the

545
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,320
weekly portion.
And I was reading about, I was

546
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,000
reading about Avraham, the fact
that he had that.

547
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,960
And I was thinking to myself,
this guy had a kid when he was

548
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,560
100, his first kid when he was
in his 80s, I was like, Can you

549
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,880
imagine how long he wanted to
have a kid for?

550
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,960
Let's say he decided he wanted
to have a kid when he was 20 or

551
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,560
when he was 30 or 40.
And he tried for 30 years.

552
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,840
I was like, and here I am, I'm a
25 year old.

553
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,960
I'm complaining.
I was like, you know what I'm

554
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,000
going to do?
I'm going to just make myself

555
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,880
the most ready that I can be to
be the man I'm supposed to

556
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,320
become.
You know, I'm going to work on

557
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,960
my character.
I'm going to work on my habits.

558
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,160
I'm going to work on these
things.

559
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,080
And whenever, you know, if it
happens in 10 years, it happens

560
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,560
in 10 years.
If it happens in 20 years,

561
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,560
whenever it happens, I'm going
to be ready for it, you know,

562
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,720
and I'm going to take the time
and devote myself to be ready

563
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,560
for it.
And that that shift immediately

564
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,880
caught, you know, that that was
a very tangible turning point in

565
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,080
my life where I, I was able to
say, there's a bigger picture.

566
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,840
Whatever I don't have right now,
it's not because I can't get

567
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,920
her.
It's because I'm not capable of

568
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880
getting it.
I just got to keep myself

569
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,160
getting ready for it and just
keep working at it, you know,

570
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200
And I think that that's, you
know, again, without the Bible,

571
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,440
without the Torah, we don't, we
don't have that, you know, I

572
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800
think that, you know, and a lot
of people are returning to God

573
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,000
these days or religion or
believing in God or faith.

574
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,280
And I think it's because the
vacuum that was left for 20-30

575
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,600
years now has proven to be a
disastrous, you know,

576
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,960
experiment.
Society without ah, society

577
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,320
without direction is is hard.
Another way to say is that

578
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,520
living life without how to know
how to make meaning out of it,

579
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,400
Like how do we make meaning out
of adversity, out of horrible

580
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,840
events that happened throughout
the world?

581
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,560
How do we make meaning out of
not having enough money, being

582
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,480
lonely.
I think that's why people have

583
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:46,120
gone to whether it's Kabbalah,
you know, back to Christianity,

584
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,280
back to other faith systems,
because they're, they're,

585
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,360
they're really seeking an
understanding of them.

586
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,159
What are we doing here?
Why are we experiencing what

587
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:02,280
we're experiencing?
And again, the Tanakh has

588
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,280
fantastic stories of how to make
meaning out of her life.

589
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,320
Yeah, it was one of my favorite,
the late great Rabbi Jonathan

590
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,640
Sacks.
He wrote an amazing book in the

591
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,960
early 2000s called The Great
Partnership.

592
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920
And one of the arguments that he
was making at the time, which

593
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,640
was considered revolutionary,
was at the time in society was

594
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,440
that science and religion are
two sides of a coin, That

595
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,200
religion.
Science tells you how and

596
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,160
religion tells you why, you
know, and as as as much as

597
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,080
science can provide how things
work, It doesn't tell you how to

598
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,280
why you know, why, what the
meaning is, how to navigate,

599
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,240
what its purpose is.
It just tells you.

600
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:45,800
And by the way, and you know,
and I'm a huge advocate for

601
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,360
science.
I think the scientific thought

602
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,320
is that, and I think that
Judaism is too.

603
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,440
The Ramba Maimonides begins by,
you know, his his, the

604
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,480
foundations of, of his faith in
God by saying, if you want to

605
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,320
learn how to love God, study
science and study how the world

606
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,160
works, because it's going to be
so beautiful and so incredible

607
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,600
that you won't be able to help
but fall in love with it, you

608
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,080
know, So I think that, you know,
the recent schism between

609
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,320
religion and science is only
recent and it's, you know, I

610
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,080
mean, the ancient, the ancient
world was very, very in tune

611
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,880
with both of them.
And I think you got to be.

612
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,040
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I I would say that

613
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,360
I became more spiritual through
science.

614
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,400
Oh yeah.
Can you elaborate how that

615
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,960
happened?
I would say it was through

616
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:40,800
quantum, quantum physics, space,
which is how vast the universe

617
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:48,160
is, different ways we can heal.
You know what humans can do.

618
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,360
It's just it's.
And how is it?

619
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,360
And what's your what's your
process like?

620
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,560
All this great, amazing stuff
equals something more?

621
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,080
How does your brain create?
How does it connect it to?

622
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,560
Between science and
spirituality.

623
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,240
Yeah, like how did, how did, how
did it make you more spiritual?

624
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,040
What was your what?
Like how did you put them

625
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,760
together?
Oh, that, that what we see, like

626
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,280
what we can physically see
happen in our life.

627
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,920
It's, it's so wow.
What's not what's good?

628
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,080
What's a good way to say it?
The chance of all this happening

629
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,760
is just so infinitely rare for
it to work this well with each

630
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,200
other.
I mean it's there is an

631
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,320
intelligent creator.
Right.

632
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,640
So do you think there's a
contradiction necessarily

633
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,040
between religion?
Yeah, not a personified, yeah,

634
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:54,920
but like an order that can
manifest in a human way for us

635
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,680
to understand what's happening.
Like the Torah is portrays God

636
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,280
as with like, like
characteristics that a human can

637
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:11,000
have, but it's just a tool for
us to try to understand and

638
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,280
relate to God.
Does that make sense?

639
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,280
Have you heard of a gentle, A
gentleman named Defraying

640
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Pavanov?
I'm going to send you a link to

641
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,600
He has some incredible podcasts
that I think that would speak

642
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600
very, very strongly to you.
And I think and they're, and

643
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,920
they're all generally, he's a
biologist and, and you know, and

644
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:39,600
I guess a Torah enthusiast, you
know, and he's, and he's got

645
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,120
some really, really spectacular,
you know, classes that combine,

646
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,000
you know, spiritual, scientific,
you know, biological and, you

647
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800
know, everything, you know, just
everything kind of just flows

648
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,880
in.
And that's actually what's going

649
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,000
back to what you were just
saying.

650
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,720
It's not even that there's so
many incredible systems.

651
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,320
That's so unlikely.
It's also that everything flows

652
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,640
into one another that it's all
like that, you know, and when we

653
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,400
say that God is 1, it's so cool
because it really is 1.

654
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,760
I mean, you know, that's how you
kind of know whether something's

655
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,480
real or not.
If you say, you know, I, I, I,

656
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,240
you know, there's certain.
There's a great book, The Art of

657
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:20,880
Learning by Josh Whiteskin.
And one thing that he emphasizes

658
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,440
throughout his life, he was
excellent.

659
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,000
He was, he's world class at a
bunch of different things that

660
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,480
don't seem to have anything to
do with one another.

661
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,360
He's a great chess player,
martial artist, Foiler, you

662
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,720
know, he's a coach for
businesses and for basketball

663
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,240
teams and all kinds of amazing
things.

664
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,280
And one thing he says that
there's certain disciplines that

665
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,320
just weave their way through
everything.

666
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,200
You know, you get if you
practice them, you can apply it

667
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,120
to anything that you want, you
know, And I think that's also

668
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,280
part of like this fundamental
truth of oneness that exists for

669
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,480
sure.
Yeah.

670
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,120
But yeah, I think that is, you
know, another another fun topic

671
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,520
that you know, so going back to
my friends and I were we're

672
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,560
talking, you know, we started
learning together and we have,

673
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,960
you know, the time of Hanukkah
coming up and Hanukkah coming

674
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,000
up.
And the, I don't know if you, if

675
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,840
you, if you're aware of this,
but a lot of the premise of the,

676
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,760
of the Hanukkah story is
actually rooted in Joseph and

677
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,720
his brothers and their
relationship with one another.

678
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:26,640
And, and Joseph, Yosef and
Yehuda or Judea or Judah, you

679
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,920
know, actually represent two
sides of a coin.

680
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,560
And it's interesting because the
Hanukkah story takes place while

681
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,880
the Jews are living in Israel,
while they have their temple.

682
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,400
You know, like by all physical
standards, it would feel like it

683
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,440
is not considered an exile, You
know, I mean, you got, you got

684
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,760
your own, you got everyone
living there or a lot of people

685
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,280
living there.
You got your own temple, You got

686
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,400
your own Kingdom.
There's a, there's a, there's

687
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,160
the, the Greek king that's
ruling that.

688
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640
That's technically you're paying
taxes to, but as far as you're

689
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,880
concerned, you're able to do
whatever you want to.

690
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,960
And there's a great commentary
named Shimshunder Falhirsch,

691
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,800
Samsoner Falhirsch that that
does amazing articles, writes

692
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,680
amazing articles.
And one of the things from the

693
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,280
19th century, so from the late
1800s.

694
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,480
And one thing that he talked
about was that the Hanukkah

695
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:26,480
story happens after, after
Alexander dies, his Kingdom gets

696
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,200
broken up into four sections.
And, and in the north, the

697
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Syrian empire is where
Akashvirosh is.

698
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,040
And in the South, Egyptian, in
the South, there was an Egyptian

699
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,120
empire.
And he said that the northern

700
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,360
empire with Akashvirosh
typically did not care what

701
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,800
religion anyone practiced.
So it's a very it was considered

702
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,680
an anomaly that they would try
to attack, you know, try to

703
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,800
strike down the Jews, the the
Jewish faith or religion, you

704
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,400
know, because they understood
that by leaving everyone to do

705
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,040
their own thing, everyone would
all just be very happy and just

706
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,800
continue paying their taxes.
It's kind of like what America

707
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,720
is today, right?
And he said that the second that

708
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:08,680
they saw that, he said that,
that it that Jewish leaders had

709
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,840
indicated to the Greek leaders
that the Jews were not committed

710
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,200
to their philosophy, that the
Greeks came along and said, OK,

711
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,480
well, if you don't need it,
then, you know, we're not going

712
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,640
to, we're not, you know, then
we're not going to let you have

713
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,800
it.
Like if you really feel like

714
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,840
it's not that valuable to you,
then we want you to be more like

715
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:28,880
us.
And that relationship, you know,

716
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
and, and, and it's, it's funny
because in today's world, you

717
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,840
feel like, you know, we have, we
have Israel and we have, you

718
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,840
know, we have, you know, the
Jews for the first time in

719
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,960
thousands of years have, you
know, their own country and

720
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960
their own state.
And you would think, and all, by

721
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,720
all, by all standards, by all
physical standards, you know,

722
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,640
we'd have almost the exact same,
you know, like this would be

723
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,080
like, what, what makes you think
we have an exile still, you

724
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,680
know, and the answer is that
philosophically, I don't know

725
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,560
that we're quite there yet.
You know, I don't know that

726
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,840
we're taking on the, you know,
the, the, the, the spiritual and

727
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,360
the, and the values and the
meaning and the relationships

728
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,320
that we're necessarily supposed
to embody in order to able to

729
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,520
fully return it.
Yeah.

730
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,240
Any thoughts on it?
I think, I think the thought

731
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:18,080
that comes up is I think the
thought that's always come up is

732
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Judaism is religion has a lot of
rituals, traditions, laws.

733
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:33,720
And how do you observe all these
laws when you're alongside other

734
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,440
countries that might have a lot
of their own traditions.

735
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,800
And I think the reason why US
has been a great place for Jews,

736
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,240
because you have people from
around the world that moved to

737
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,120
the US and the US is very
accepting of us practicing

738
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,800
whatever we want.
And so it's been a pretty good

739
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,480
rule, pretty good relationship.
I think what's happening right

740
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,200
now is there are people in
America that are saying, if you

741
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,320
serve in the IDF and have like
allegiance to that country and

742
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,040
you serve, you give up your
life.

743
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,560
If you're willing to give up
your life for Israel and you've

744
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,880
served in the Israeli army, you
and you chose to serve them

745
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,680
rather than the United States.
Why should you be AUS citizen?

746
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,640
So that so that that kind of
reminds me of like that story

747
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,520
of, you know, back in back in
the ancient times.

748
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,840
And so can can you as Jews, can
we have the duality of having an

749
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,160
allegiance to two countries at
the same time, two different

750
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,600
cultures at the same time?
And I think it's possible.

751
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,520
But I think what happens is that
when we have limited resources

752
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,120
and we have to choose where we
want our resources to go, that's

753
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,080
when either country might feel
like, for example, US has a

754
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,840
short, has a shortage of people
that want to voluntarily serve

755
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,120
in the army.
Well, Israel's having the same

756
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,800
issue right now where, you know,
there's legislation to get or,

757
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,760
you know, the ultra Orthodox
used to serve in the army.

758
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,400
And so, yeah, it's, I don't know
what's gonna happen, but it's,

759
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,200
it's a bit, I think it's a long
standing debate.

760
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,240
I think so too.
I think that I've, I've heard,

761
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,040
I've heard that complaint and
that that sentiment actually

762
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,960
being expressed.
And the truth is that if I were

763
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,720
not a Jewish American or, you
know, if I was not, you know, if

764
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,160
I was, if I was, if I had no
association with Judaism, Israel

765
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,560
or, you know, and I was just
purely American, I probably

766
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,240
would be on, you know, a
similar, I probably would think

767
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,080
a similar way.
So I really do understand where

768
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,560
the perspectives coming from and
I kind of even agree with it.

769
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,640
I only think that I would
potentially say or say in

770
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,240
response is that, and, you know,
I'm sure that you know this as

771
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:11,720
well as I do, America and Israel
almost feel like they're

772
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,160
satellite offices of one
another.

773
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,200
You know, and I know that
everyone makes them, you know,

774
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,120
that they feel like they're, you
know, foreign enemy.

775
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,600
And they are, by the way, it's
different.

776
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,880
But, you know, I think that at
the moment, right now, the lines

777
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,000
are very blurred.
You know, a lot of Israelis come

778
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,760
back and forth.
A lot of Americans come back and

779
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,920
forth, a lot of people, you
know, Israelis, Israelis love

780
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040
America.
They want to come to America to

781
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,440
make money.
They want to come to America

782
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440
because they love capitalism and
they love the culture and the

783
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,520
freedom, you know, and, and vice
versa.

784
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,840
And I think that I think that a
lot of Jews realize that the

785
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:48,280
well-being of America is in
there is in the Jew is in Jewish

786
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Americans best interests as
well.

787
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,920
And so even if you do choose to
spend a couple of years in

788
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,680
service of another country, odds
are you have family, you have

789
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,480
friends, you have cousins, you
grew up here.

790
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,440
This is your life.
You plan on spending most of

791
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,320
your life here most of the time,
you know, even if you are a lone

792
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,960
soldier for a couple of years,
you know, and, and most of your

793
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,680
life is paying taxes, trying to
make the society a better place,

794
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,320
having kids, sending your kids
to school, trying to make the

795
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,800
American culture a better and
wholesome culture and really,

796
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,280
really contributing to it.
So, you know, I mean, I don't, I

797
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,280
think that, you know, obviously
it does become like what you

798
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,400
said, when resources become
finite, it does become a little

799
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480
bit more of a prickly topic
because and that's really the

800
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,920
root of all war.
All war typically is just when

801
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,720
it comes down to a matter of
trying to get acquire more

802
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,280
resources.
If you feel like you're

803
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,880
threatened or have a shortage of
it, you know, the goal is to

804
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,360
help people understand that we
hopefully are living in a time

805
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,560
or heading to a time of so much
abundance that this shouldn't

806
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,280
even be a, you know, a problem.
You know, and like the question

807
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,360
should be, what are we
contributing?

808
00:47:53,360 --> 00:48:01,560
I I think I think the early
history of Israel is a great

809
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:10,520
historical reference point.
The the more division there is

810
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,760
within the state of Israel, the
more likely it's going to

811
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,040
collapse.
Just looking at the history of

812
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:26,520
of Israel and the morality of
the state, that's another

813
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,200
contributing, factoring together
so many stories of when there's

814
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,000
more people not actually
disconnect from God, There's

815
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,960
more.
So like your behaviors when the

816
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,760
society is engaging in more
behaviors that are sinful or

817
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,640
disconnected.
Again, Israel has been prayed to

818
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,960
be taken over.
So yeah.

819
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,480
Yeah, I mean, sorry, please.
No, that's it.

820
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,200
Yeah.
All over the Torah, all over.

821
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,600
I mean, you want to look all
over the Old Testament in the

822
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,080
Bible.
I mean over and over and over.

823
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:05,040
The Bible emphasizes God
emphasizes your relationship to

824
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Israel is based on your
behavior.

825
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,560
You know, like the people that
are, you know, and you know,

826
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,240
like you got to earn it.
And if you're there, you got to

827
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,080
behave in a way that will allow
me to keep you guys there.

828
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,000
Like, you know, it's not
because, and and there's such a

829
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,240
great line in I forgot whether
it's by mid bar or the 4th book

830
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:29,520
or Dvarim, but and God's like
it's not because of your

831
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,440
righteousness that you're that
you're getting this, you know,

832
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,040
like you got you guys have to
earn it.

833
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,920
Like you're not you like you
don't walk in all ready to go

834
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,240
like you got it.
You got to build yourselves up.

835
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,600
And listen, 40 years in the
desert is hugely symbolic of

836
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,880
trying, of shedding previous
identities and trying to

837
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,080
recreate, you know, and find
your own identity to find out

838
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,800
the truth.
You know, and I think that I

839
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,200
think that a lot of what's going
on in the world today is, I

840
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,000
mean, there's a massive
breakdown in institutions and

841
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,560
institutional trust and, you
know, and people don't really

842
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,600
know where to look for reality.
Like it almost feels like

843
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,120
there's like a bit, you know,
there's 350 million people in

844
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,120
America.
There's 350 million different

845
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,120
realities, you know, that are,
that are all isolated.

846
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,360
They're all kind of, you know,
playing together at the moment.

847
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,920
You know, we got to be able to
have some kind of sense of unity

848
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,160
or some kind of sense of
connection in order to really be

849
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,840
able to maintain that, you know.
Well, I mean, what you just said

850
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,760
is part of the reason why I want
to go to rabbinical school is

851
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,520
because I see so many shifts,
major shifts in our life as

852
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:42,440
humans, that for my own
stability, my future family

853
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,200
stability, my my existing family
stability, my community

854
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,600
stability.
I want to be able to root myself

855
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,840
in the belief system that has
stood the test of time, that has

856
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:01,600
the framework has helped a group
of people overcome some of the

857
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,960
most difficult situations a
group of people can ever go

858
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,280
through.
So yeah.

859
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:16,360
And for me, that big shift in
the way we live is AI is

860
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,520
artificial intelligence, which
is going to slowly take over all

861
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,520
of our jobs.
You know, a lot of a lot of our

862
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,200
groups.
I want to remain.

863
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,960
I want to keep my sense of being
human as much as I can and

864
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,160
become a rabbi as like one other
reason.

865
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,880
Yeah, think about what do you
call it?

866
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,960
Think about what happens when
Elon's, when Elon Musk's, you

867
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,640
know, Tesla robots are mixed
with Grok AI and you literally

868
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,320
have a physical manifestation of
your, you know, of your, of your

869
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Grok or your ChatGPT.
Yeah, that's literally, well, do

870
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,800
everything around your house,
you know, everything for you.

871
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,640
And the question will become
what's meaning and what's

872
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,560
purpose in your life.
You know, and I'm trying to

873
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,280
actually, you know, I teach high
school part time.

874
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,680
And yesterday I had I, I, you
know, we're talking, I, I like

875
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,000
to make my students think a lot.
I think that a huge, I, I, I

876
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,920
teach English.
So we bring up, you know, it

877
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,400
gives me a lot of flexibility as
to what I'm choosing to expose

878
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,360
them to.
And I try to get them to think

879
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,280
about big topics, like if you
didn't have to work ever.

880
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,840
You know, yesterday, I gave him
two prompts.

881
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,520
The first one was, if you never
had to work again, you get all

882
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,760
the money in the world, what
would you do, right?

883
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,680
And the second prompt was, now
that you gave me your dumb

884
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,080
answer about what you do for the
first five years, what are you

885
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,360
going to do the rest of your
life now?

886
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,040
Because, you know, it sounds
really great until you realize

887
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,160
that you have a whole life to
live.

888
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,960
So I think about that all the
time.

889
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,240
What would I do if I had all the
like?

890
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,480
What would I do professionally
if I had all the money in the

891
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,680
world?
And it's exactly what I'm doing

892
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,360
right now.
I'd still practice psychiatry, I

893
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,040
would still be in a rabbinical
school, and I would still, right

894
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,920
right now, making an app called
Rituality.

895
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,560
Hopefully it gets launched in
January.

896
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,840
But I'm making an app that's
going to help people practice

897
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,320
rituals or practice rituals
either with themselves or with

898
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,280
other people.
Amazing.

899
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,640
No matter what your background
is, whether you're Jewish,

900
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:22,600
Christian, Muslim, Buddhist,
Japanese, Persian, Yeah, my, my,

901
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,000
I'm here to help people be
connected to themselves and

902
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:32,480
others.
Whether I have $10 in my bank

903
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,320
account or a billion.
But it won't doesn't make a

904
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,760
difference.
But it's a great, it's a great

905
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,440
question for people to ask
themselves.

906
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,920
If you had all the resources in
the world, what would you

907
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,600
actually want to do?
Yeah.

908
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,520
I mean, ideally, most of us can
do something professionally that

909
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,200
is very meaningful and feels
like you can make an impact.

910
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,520
But I know a lot of people don't
feel like that.

911
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,320
Yeah, I think that the potential
issue, and actually Murad and I

912
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,080
were talking about this, is that
at a certain point, you know,

913
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:13,440
that that voice, that inner
intuition, that inner passion, I

914
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,000
think does become stifled as the
years and decades go on.

915
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,920
You know, and I, I, you know, if
you're optimistic, hopefully you

916
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,360
could try to rediscover it.
If you're pessimistic, you

917
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,960
probably, you know, you probably
missed your boat.

918
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,800
You know, we do know that there
are ways to, you know, and

919
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,440
that's actually the fun of stuff
like, you know, like observing

920
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,160
neuroplasticity, you know, like
to figure out that there are

921
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,680
things you could do to actually
open up your brain more as even

922
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:45,360
as you get older.
But yeah, I, I think that that's

923
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,080
going to that, you know, that
we're going to have almost like

924
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,960
in the future, society is not
going to be based on how much

925
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,040
money or not you have.
It's going to be how meaningful

926
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,200
of a life you live and how much
you do with your life or not.

927
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,560
That's going to, you know, put,
you know, that's, that's I think

928
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,480
what the classes are going to
become as opposed to, you know,

929
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,400
wealthy or poor.
So like meaningful or creative

930
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,760
or not?
I why I think with, with AI,

931
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,400
productivity is going to become
almost instantaneous in a sense,

932
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,920
like, like the amount of effort
it takes from ourselves.

933
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,680
This can be minimal.
What's left over is just finding

934
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,320
meaning because all the
productivity stuff has already

935
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,960
been taken care of.
What else is there?

936
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,840
It's finding meaning in
connection.

937
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,320
So I think the, I think the
benefit of AI is that we don't

938
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,120
have to do things that are, that
are meaningless.

939
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,280
We can have AI do that for us,
which is great if it, if it

940
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,680
takes me, if I'm spending, you
know, 3 hours a day trying to

941
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,280
manage my own house and I have
AI like AI robot that does that

942
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,040
for me.
I have now more time to spend

943
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,280
time with other people, learn,
get back to my community.

944
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,760
So we're going to be freed up
with so much time in the future.

945
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,360
And the question is, what are
people going to do with it?

946
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,680
Are they going to choose
entertainment?

947
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,040
There's going to be a lot of
great entertainment.

948
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,880
By the way, AI makes great
entertainment.

949
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,040
So scary.
I'm excited for the more time we

950
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,920
get to have because we don't
have to do things that are not

951
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,320
very meaningful for us.
I think I know you're excited

952
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,720
about that.
I think a lot of people are

953
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,960
scared about that.
You know, I think that a lot of

954
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,760
people wouldn't know what to do
without their jobs.

955
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,360
You work 80 hour weeks on Wall
Street for the last 20 years,

956
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,040
even the last 10 years, you
know, and you're like, this is

957
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,760
my life, you know.
And then you said, sorry, no,

958
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,400
it's not anymore.
You have here's all the money

959
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,280
you want, but have a good life.
I don't know what people are

960
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,640
going to.
Do with that learn, you know,

961
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,160
people are going to become more
spiritual, people are going to

962
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,000
be more familiar with the land.
People are going to people are

963
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,040
going to engage the land more
people are going to be out in

964
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,600
nature, more people are going to
be more social.

965
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,960
People are going to do want to
do more things in person.

966
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:05,720
So if you just look at human
history, that's what we go back

967
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:11,520
to is connection and curiosity
and being out in nature.

968
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,280
Those are like fundamental
principles of being human.

969
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,160
So I'm not as concerned.
I'm not.

970
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,840
I, I think, I think the part I
think what we're speaking to is

971
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,960
people's lack of imagination and
lack of creativity.

972
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,200
Yeah.
If you can be creative, which

973
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,040
again, most humans are very
creative and we use our

974
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,960
imagination like a kid, does a
kid get bored?

975
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,840
No, they find ways to make all
types of things meaningful.

976
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,200
I think human beings can do the
same thing when they're in their

977
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,840
40s, fifties, 60s.
So.

978
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,800
Yeah, I guess it's just a muscle
that has to be exercised, you

979
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,480
know, and I think it happens.
Which is not we, we, we, we, we

980
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:03,000
don't live in a country that
helps us foster our creativity

981
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,520
and our imagination.
Instead of we're given timelines

982
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,760
and expectations of this is how
life is supposed to go and AI

983
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,360
comes in and shattering all of
that.

984
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Things are now significantly
accelerated because of AI.

985
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:27,000
And I like to help people see
how it can be done so in a

986
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,240
positive way.
Yeah, I think we need more of

987
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,480
that.
One thing I was, you know, I was

988
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,000
talking to my after there was
there was a school shooter a

989
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,680
couple of months back and he had
like this crazy notebook.

990
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,760
And, you know, I don't know if
you remember seeing this, he

991
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,520
shot up a church I think with
and there's I think two kids

992
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,160
that died and a bunch were
injured and it was really,

993
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,840
really devastating.
And one thing that I was

994
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,680
thinking about was thinking
about this poor kids head,

995
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,280
right?
Because let's say he was 22 or

996
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,800
23, COVID started when he was
probably 17 years old.

997
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,720
So he's locked down in his
house.

998
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,880
You know, he's spending, and
probably realistically most of

999
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,080
the country spending an enormous
amount of time on social media,

1000
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,320
you know, being locked down, not
having community, not having

1001
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,160
relationships, right?
Over the course of COVID, we

1002
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,480
have an enormous amount of
remote work that becomes

1003
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,640
accessible and immediately
available, right?

1004
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,720
So people, myself and my friends
included, are literally able to

1005
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:30,200
go from the age of 20 to 25 or
20 to sorry, 17 to 20 or 17 to

1006
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:35,720
25 or 20 to 30 without really
with having almost no new

1007
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,800
relationships or interactions
with people.

1008
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,680
Because you could be a single
dude going through college

1009
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,280
classes online or a single girl
going through college classes

1010
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,880
online, spending your time on
social media, moving to an

1011
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,360
apartment when you get a job
that's a remote marketing job or

1012
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,040
whatever it is.
You know, your accountant or

1013
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:55,240
marketing or whatever it might
be or, and, and you work at your

1014
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,440
apartment.
Maybe you go to the office one

1015
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,680
to two days a week if you're
lucky.

1016
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,840
And you're getting blasted with
social media and news about how

1017
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,880
the world's ending all the time.
You go and then and and you

1018
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,080
don't even have to go to the
supermarket, you Uber Eats or

1019
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,720
you DoorDash everything and all
of a sudden you have a enormous

1020
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,760
chunk of your population that
has no idea how to even interact

1021
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,000
with other with other people.
You know, So I think that it's

1022
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,160
enormously valuable and more
than valuable integral if we're

1023
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,000
going to like be a healthy
country and, you know, raise a

1024
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,480
healthy generation to encourage
play and interactions and to not

1025
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,640
be afraid of other people and to
encourage in person activities.

1026
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,760
You know, and it's cool because
like, again, from a religious

1027
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,800
perspective, when God created
Adam and Eve, he put them in the

1028
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,720
garden, in the Garden of Eden,
but they were still working.

1029
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,360
He says you put them there,
Abdullah Shamrah, to work into

1030
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,960
guard.
What do you mean?

1031
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,480
You're in the Garden of Eden,
you know, but you can't do

1032
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,600
nothing, you know, you can't do,
you can't do nothing.

1033
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,120
You got to work together.
You got to participate.

1034
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,320
I mean, there's a line that says
God said that they were alone

1035
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:03,560
and God had created more, you
know, those animals or more

1036
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,480
things that they can have domain
over.

1037
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,440
I think that's the fear is like,
what are we going to have domain

1038
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,400
over if AI comes in again?
I'm very, we live in an abundant

1039
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,840
planet.
There's a lot of things for us

1040
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,760
to do.
We need to take care of our

1041
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,800
planet.
Our planet is, I mean, again,

1042
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,880
there's a lot of pollution.
There's a lot of people that are

1043
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,200
lonely.
We have a lot of people.

1044
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,040
So there's a lot of things that
people can do if AI is taking

1045
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,440
over their work, there's a lot
of functions we can do.

1046
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,480
And so I'm just not, I'm not,
I'm not considered, is it?

1047
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:46,320
I'm yes, people are going to
have to make some big changes.

1048
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,520
Yes.
In the end, it's going to be OK.

1049
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,840
I really hope so.
I really, really hope so.

1050
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,880
Because and you know, it's cool,
you know, I live in an, I, I

1051
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:59,400
moved into a neighborhood in
Hollywood, FL and there was very

1052
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,840
few Jewish families here when I
moved here.

1053
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,320
And I moved here when I was,
when I was, when we were

1054
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,600
newlyweds, we didn't have any
kids.

1055
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,360
And over the last three or four
years, you know, let's say 3040

1056
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,080
young couples and families moved
in.

1057
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,200
And since then, you know, it
becomes a very regular habit,

1058
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,200
you know, on Shabbos, on on
Saturdays and Friday nights for

1059
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,800
kids to play in the streets and
for everyone to walk together to

1060
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,160
synagogue and for, you know,
people to hang out in the

1061
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,280
streets.
You see, the whole community has

1062
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,960
kind of started to like pick up
because other people are like,

1063
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,080
oh, kids are playing in the
street.

1064
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,760
And then all of a sudden
families are taking their kids

1065
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,520
out for scooter rides and people
are going biking and jogging

1066
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,120
more.
And I mean, I'm seeing an

1067
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,600
enormous uptick in social
activity just based on the fact

1068
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,840
that there are people walking
around outside.

1069
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:45,760
Yeah.
That's all it really takes.

1070
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,560
Like, people just need an excuse
to smile and to come and to

1071
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,480
interact with one another.
And then, like, it just takes

1072
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,440
off the same way creativity,
like, ignites.

1073
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,400
You tell a kid, what do you want
to do?

1074
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,960
I don't know.
Well, what if this was that?

1075
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,200
And then all of a sudden their
head explodes because they think

1076
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,120
of a million, you know,
incredible ideas.

1077
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,600
You know, a lot of times, all we
need is just a little bit of

1078
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,560
that.
So you're saying what you're

1079
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,440
saying.
I, I, I I totally agree with

1080
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,800
that.
It's going to take some changes,

1081
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,040
but I hope that you know, this
could be a time for a great.

1082
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,640
Again, we have so much evidence
from the past and again,

1083
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,360
including the Torah, that we
have all the answers, all the

1084
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:27,360
solutions we need to come over
any type of evolution in in

1085
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,600
human history.
So we're going to adapt.

1086
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,160
We know what's important.
We know the fundamentals of what

1087
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:39,840
it makes to have a successful,
meaningful, thriving life.

1088
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,280
On a purely speculative level,
out of just for the fun of it,

1089
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,400
what do you think of simulation
theory and all the Uaps and UFOs

1090
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,520
and everything like that and a
completely conversational level?

1091
01:03:53,280 --> 01:04:00,720
Yeah, it's great.
So my belief about the reality

1092
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,920
that we live in is that we have
infinite timelines that have all

1093
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:11,840
been predetermined and every
action we take puts us on a new

1094
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,600
timeline.
And there might be higher level

1095
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:21,960
intelligent beings that can see
all these timelines.

1096
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:31,440
And in terms of UA PS, I kind of
view them as like angels.

1097
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,920
So there's different levels that
could be angels or they can

1098
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,280
actually be like intelligent
species similar to us.

1099
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:46,560
But the Uaps are trying to save
us from ourselves by disarming

1100
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,360
our nuclear weapons.
Yeah.

1101
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,000
So again, the most common place
we find Uaps are near nuclear

1102
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,520
nuclear missile sites.
Facilities.

1103
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,280
And when they facilities and
they when they come, they disarm

1104
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,920
nuclear weapons.
And so I think they're just

1105
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,560
trying to make sure we don't
destroy ourselves.

1106
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,760
I think that also, and I'm
curious if you ever notice this

1107
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:17,280
pattern, but I've noticed that a
lot of UAP folklore, you know,

1108
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:23,280
and general, I guess, tendencies
and stories to, you know,

1109
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,240
actually happen quite a bit in,
you know, in, in, in the Torah,

1110
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,960
whenever, in the Bible, whenever
you know, for example, someone's

1111
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,160
alone in a field or a woman is
praying and you know, and God,

1112
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,160
you know, an Angel from God
comes down and says like, like,

1113
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,560
you know, everything will be OK.
And then, you know, a year

1114
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,400
later, everything is fine.
But no one was there to

1115
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,240
experience it.
And she was in a field somewhere

1116
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,680
by herself.
And I mean, like, there's a lot.

1117
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,880
And that's Hana that Avraham in
this week's, you know, in this

1118
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,760
week's portion, you know, when
he does the he does the

1119
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,520
circumcision for the first time
and then these angels visit him

1120
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,920
and you know, no one else is
there.

1121
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,240
You know, it's and it's an
argument as to like, can anyone

1122
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,880
else see them?
Is anyone else interacting with

1123
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,040
them?
Maybe, maybe not.

1124
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,520
You know, there's a lot of,
there's a lot of really amazing

1125
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,120
stories that kind of Co align
with what we'd call UUFOS, just

1126
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,760
different terminologies.
Yeah, when I, so when I had that

1127
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,000
patient hospital tell me that
they spoke to my dad, I was with

1128
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,920
that patient for 8 hours in
total over 2 days.

1129
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,800
A nurse never came in the ring
one time.

1130
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,720
And was he there?
Was he actually there?

1131
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,800
Was I hallucinating because I
had no other human being

1132
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,240
acknowledged his existence?
I I there was no cross

1133
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,360
confirmation of like, hey, who
is this guy?

1134
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:47,080
Or is it like I So yeah,
typically the most mystical

1135
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,520
experiences we have.
And again, there's a lot of UAP

1136
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:57,520
stories where it happens alone.
And I mean, I would say the same

1137
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:05,200
thing for it's kind of like with
with Moses, you know, it had to

1138
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:11,000
hit, you know, God revealed
himself to Moses in Sinai and he

1139
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,400
only showed his back.
He showed you know, so there,

1140
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,080
there there's not a science, but
there's, there's just a pattern

1141
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:28,040
of the, the miracles of the
universe not be fully revealed

1142
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:33,480
to you in a mass scale.
And it energetically seems to

1143
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,360
have that in a private way.
Yeah.

1144
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,200
And I think a lot of, it's
because a lot of life, and I

1145
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,160
think that we're realizing this
more, a lot of life is

1146
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,680
contingent on our perceptions.
You know, a lot of our, you

1147
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,320
know, reality is made-up of what
our, of our, of our brains

1148
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,000
perception of things, you know,
and, and, you know, that could

1149
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,200
be toyed with, I feel like, or
could be manipulated or, you

1150
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,080
know, even within our, even
within ourselves question is,

1151
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,520
are we seeing things that aren't
there?

1152
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,440
Are we seeing things that aren't
like, you know, there's a great

1153
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,480
Aldous Huxley line from from the
doors of Perception where he's

1154
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,720
how he talks about how, you
know, evolution kind of forced

1155
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,640
us to only just focus in on
what's in front of us.

1156
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,160
And it's almost like a faucet.
We have to turn it to like a

1157
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,040
little drip.
Psychedelics open that faucet

1158
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,040
and just let water pour out.
And, you know, I feel like

1159
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,479
that's, you know, so there are
things that are, you know, are

1160
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,279
there things that are actually
there or are there things that,

1161
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,760
you know, I don't know, you
know, the things that that we're

1162
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,439
perceiving it or is it that it's
been there the whole time?

1163
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,279
We don't typically talk about,
you know, we typically

1164
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:41,880
acknowledge it and we're just
going about our regular

1165
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,439
day-to-day lives without even
acknowledging it.

1166
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:49,840
I think we're at a point where
we're so overstimulated that we

1167
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:55,560
can't really track the nuances
of of miracles that are

1168
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,040
happening every day.
Yeah, yeah.

1169
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,240
I think that the more you, I
think that the more that you can

1170
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,160
open your your mind to seeing
it.

1171
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,720
I think that you do see it.
You know, the same way you open

1172
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,319
your to hearing messages from
God.

1173
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,880
It's the same thing.
Well, you need to believe it.

1174
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,520
You need to be open to it.
You need to have time for it.

1175
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,000
You need to have space for it.
You need to make sure you're not

1176
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,359
distracted from it.
So when you address all those

1177
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,640
things, I mean you can be high
on life every moment.

1178
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,000
Yeah, yeah.
I think this is great.

1179
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:35,319
I think that I love how open our
world's becoming, you know?

1180
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:39,160
And I think that, you know,
there's just so much.

1181
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,920
This is one of the beauties of
truth and one of the beauties of

1182
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,479
hope.
And one of the beauties of life

1183
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,840
is that it just finds a way to
poke its way through, like a

1184
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,920
little hole through and like
permeate just like, you know,

1185
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,479
pop out.
And like, even though it always

1186
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,760
feels like a shroud, sometimes
the darkness or whatever, you

1187
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:59,320
know, it feels like we could
like it does like we're heading.

1188
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:01,400
I, I, I, you know, I mean,
there's a lot to be concerned

1189
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,640
about.
And, you know, but it feels like

1190
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,600
there are so many bits and
pieces of just optimism

1191
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,400
everywhere that if you just
keep, you know, open your eyes

1192
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,600
and keep your eyes open for
them.

1193
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:14,120
We are making a lot of very
positive steps, I think as a

1194
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,080
world, as, as a species.
And, you know, hopefully as a as

1195
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,640
a conscious entity, you know, I
hope that we could develop some

1196
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,120
kind of sense of shared
consciousness that we care

1197
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,880
about.
Anyway, Michael, Doctor, I

1198
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,800
really appreciate your time.
This is a this is a really such

1199
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,480
a fun conversation and you've
really been generous with your

1200
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:34,440
time.
Thank you so much.

1201
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:36,760
I really appreciate it.
And I think this is, this should

1202
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,880
be thought provoking and fun and
hopefully, hopefully a little

1203
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,640
inspirational to some people
around, you know.

1204
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,440
Yeah, No, it was, it was great
talking with you about all types

1205
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:52,280
of aspects of our life and our
existence in this universe.

1206
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,000
And it was.
I'm very thankful to you for the

1207
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,120
yeah.
And I'll send you over the link

1208
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,280
to that other podcast.
I'd love to keep in touch and

1209
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,920
hear what you're working on
because it's been a lot of fun,

1210
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,720
OK?
Sounds good.

1211
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:04,440
Thank you all.
Right.

1212
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:05,440
Take care.
Have a great day.

1213
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:06,160
Thank you so much.