#129: Ephraim Herschmann / Adventure is Out There! / Getting Old / Billy Strings & Honest Lyrics

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Welcome to another episode of
come together.

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We are live with another
episode.

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I excuse me I'm putting my socks
on post jog according this on

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the way out the door to go
teach.

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I'm in my neighborhood has a
local group of dads that play

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softball and they are trying to
get me to come and play and I

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have no interest in playing and
they keep on adding me to a

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group chat and all I want to do
is leave let me go.

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So anyway, we're back with
another episode.

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Did my first guest episode today
where I actually I've done a

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guest episode on podcast that no
longer runs, but technically

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second one.
I suppose I have a lot of my

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mind.
I actually recorded like an hour

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yesterday to 120 minute episode
and 140 minute episode.

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And I kept on trying to convey
ideas that I don't think I was

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ready to speak out, but because
I was tired because I didn't

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really have it worked out.
But we're back and I'm going to

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give this another shot and we're
going to see if we can make some

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sense of my head and see what's
going on.

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So the general gist of what's
been happening, the, the theme

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that I've been thinking a lot
about recently is a theme of

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youth and adventure.
And I think that youth and

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adventure also inherently kind
of is linked to open mindedness

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because when you're young,
you're naive.

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When you're naive, you don't
know whether things are real or

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not real, true or not true.
And you kind of have to break

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things in order to understand
them.

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One of my friends, a couple of
friends, three brothers that are

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all brilliant, Mendelai
Mendelos.

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And, you know, from the time
that they were young, they're

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always, you know, they're, I
mean, I've spent time with each

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of them, one a little bit less
with, but in general, very, very

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fond of the family.
And they're all extremely

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creative, extremely talented and
extremely handy.

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And they're the kind of people
that when they were younger,

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they just spent most of their
time putting, taking things

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apart and putting them back
together, including vacuum

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cleaners and stuff like that.
And so I think that I just

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turned 30 a couple of days ago.
And it's, it's weird because I

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almost like on one hand, I don't
want to be OK with turning 30

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because I want to say I'm upset
that I'm getting older.

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And the truth is it is weird.
The time is going by so fast

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because when I was younger, when
I say younger, I mean 20, you

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know, or when I say I mean 18 or
15, Like if you ever asked me

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what you think you would be like
a 30, I would be like, dude, I

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don't know.
You know, like 30 is so far off

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and 30 is such a 30 such.
It just sounds, it sounds

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mature.
It sounds old.

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It sounds like you're, you know,
supposed to have it all worked

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out.
And now that I'm here, I'm like,

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you know, it's not too bad.
You know, I've been kind of

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preparing myself for it since I
turned 29.

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I said it's not too bad, but I
think I kind of wanted to give

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myself a harder time about it
than I really felt because at

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the end of the day, I don't
really know what more I would be

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a want out of life.
I have a family, I have kids, I

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have a home.
Thank God I'm extremely,

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extremely fortunate.
I got a great community and

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great group of friends and and,
you know, so it's almost weird

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to not be feeling lost or
scared.

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Now it's more of a matter of I'm
in a decade of my life or a part

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of my life.
I mean, who knows how long it'll

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last for that.
I'm more focused on building

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things rather than figuring
myself out.

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Like, and, and it's funny
because I was actually trying

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because I, you know, I, I've
always, I've always written

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poetry as a form of kind of self
therapy and to help me figure

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out my thoughts.
And I really do, I really do

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advise that everyone try it.
Check in with yourself, Write

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yourself a letter says dear me,
I am feeling.

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And the other thing is we're not
used to expressing our thoughts

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and how we really feel honestly.
We're used to filtering it to

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people to make sure it sounds
socially acceptable, to make

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sure that it's relatable.
You know, you don't want to

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sound too far off.
And there's something I think

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really, really healthy about
being blunt, about being honest.

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That's I mean, that's what
people say the value of therapy

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is, is that how many
relationships do we have in our

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lives on a regular basis?
And we could just sit down and

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say, like, I can't stand XY and
Z about this aspect of my life.

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It doesn't happen very often.
And, but, and what people say is

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like almost regardless of what
the therapist responds to them,

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just the fact, just the ability
to get their thoughts out and to

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be just straight up and honest
and not hold back at all is the

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value.
And you can do that anytime and

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you really, really can.
And it does take practice.

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It's funny because what actually
got me into writing to begin

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with, and I've mentioned this
many times, is when my former

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poetry teacher, Joe Isle and Joe
used to he was such he's such a

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blunt and amazing poet and he's
so honest.

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There's AI showed one of my high
school classes one of his poems.

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It's called Ode to Elizabeth
Elizabeth, NJ and it's an it's

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one of my favorite poems of all
time.

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And I mean, I don't have that
many favorite of all time poems,

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but it's one of my favorite
poems of all time and one of my

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favorite pieces of
self-expression because he's so

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honest.
One of the great lines that he

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says is, you know, I don't like
to travel much because I find

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that everywhere I go, I have to
bring myself along and that and

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that's the only thing I care to
leave behind, you know?

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And like this is someone that is
struggling with, you know, who

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he is.
And this is someone that's

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honest with himself.
Like, hey, right now, like I

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don't feel very good about
myself.

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And like, we got to work on
that.

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You got to figure that out.
And if you can't, and if you

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can't even say that, then
there's no work that could be

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done.
So I think I needed a dose of

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that.
You know, I needed to I needed a

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reminder about what it's like to
write honestly and to express

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yourself honestly.
I really actually found that I

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went through a little bit.
I'm going to end up going down

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the rabbit hole with this guy
and know it with Billy Strings

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man has been what?
And I was I was talking to

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friends about him.
Shout out to guy Ben Hanan, but

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friend of the pod, multiple time
guest.

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Maybe one day his own podcast
host.

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I'll see.
Probably not though.

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And you know, I was talking to
he's like, what do you find so

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engaging about him?
I was like #1 musically, he's

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incredibly talented, duh, number
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Number two, he has a great, a
tremendous love and appreciation

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for other music.
And one of the things I love

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about artists that cover other
other music is you can get an

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idea as to like what their roots
are and where they're coming

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from.
And so when Billy Strings takes

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the time to play old country
covers or old Western songs

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covers or old Appalachian
bluegrass tunes, and he's

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bringing this tradition back to
life and he's, you know, keeping

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it breathing and keeping it
going with this whole following

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that's there for him.
But a lot is, is getting an

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education along the way.
I thought that was so great

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because it's also so unique.
It's so personal and it's so I,

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I, I appreciate one of the
things I love about people is

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individuality.
And I'm interested in who you

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are, why you are what you are,
What do you love?

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What makes you, you know, how
like what if you were to kind of

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have a bunch of different
influences throughout your life,

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what would you say you're
influenced by and who?

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These are really important
questions.

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I really do think so.
And I think that you get an

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idea, especially musically, like
what someone's like.

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And then you relate and then you
hear them say lyrics and you

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hear them sing a song.
And you could see whether, and

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you can tell, I could tell with
myself, but you can definitely

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tell us as audience member, when
you're listening to someone and

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they are and they're singing
lyrics that they took and made

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themselves, that, you know,
this, this was someone else's

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song.
And I discovered myself within

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that song.
And now I'm playing it as

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myself.
And there's certain songs that

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you know that, that I think that
you know, depending who you are,

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lend you, you lend yourself to
more or less.

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So that's so that was another
thing that I found great about

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him.
Then I saw and then I said the

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lyrics are judged so raw and so
honest and so, so refreshing.

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He feels like he could have been
writing in the 70s.

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And the truth is that I'm sure
that there's a lot of great

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writing writers, songwriters out
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I don't know how to, I, I
haven't found, you know, I

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haven't found too many of the
recent ones or modern ones.

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And I know that there are and I
know that there's tons of talent

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out there.
And it's funny because as a fan

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of sixties 70s music, without
really having spent any kind of

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time today looking around at
who's actually playing now or

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what kind of music is actually
available now, I was, I was, oh,

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yeah, music kind of stinks now.
Totally discrediting.

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There's like tons of incredible
bands that are writing original

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songs that are, that are
prolific, that are great

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musicians and great lyricists
and tight bands and, and there

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is a ton of amazing talent out
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Actually, my new studio, I got a
Billy Strings poster behind me.

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Allman Brothers and Jerry
Garcia, been in Woodstock.

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If you can't see, if you're
listening, not watching.

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And.
Yeah.

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And So what?
And, and, and, and again, the

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thing I like about his lyrics to
connect it to what I was talking

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about is that they're raw, is
that they're honest, is that

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they're about ups and downs and
honest heartbreak and honest

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loss and honest tragedy.
And hey, man, I'm not even going

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to.
I'm not even going to I'm not

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going to bullshit you, man.
Like this sucks.

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I'm having a hard time.
I feel like I'm just gone or I

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don't even want anyone around to
listen.

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I just want to talk it all out.
You know, Secrets was was the

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name of that song that he talks
a lot about this stuff or in the

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clear.
I mean, just such, such great,

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such great music and so raw.
And so last night I was able to

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really sit down and after I had
two failed solo episode

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attempts, I sat down and I was
able to write honestly for the

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first time in a very long time.
And it just, it felt so it felt

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so great to return to that.
And one of the things that I was

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writing about was, is this
spirit of adventure in youth?

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Because turning 30, you know,
and people say there's all these

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Creek cliches about, yeah, you
can, you could grow old but not

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grow up.
Just bit my tongue.

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You can grow old but not grow
up.

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I'm growing older, but I'm not
growing up or whatever it is.

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But at the end of the day, we
are growing up and like as time

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goes on, you do find that your
opinion things you know, it's

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harder to change your mind.
It's harder to access new

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information.
It's harder to get excited about

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new things.
Or if you've built, you know,

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you're either.
That's what's cool is I was very

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transient to my 20s.
I was always traveling, I was

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always moving around.
I was going from place to place

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and I was free with the wind.
And then as you become a source

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of life, in order to be a
source, if you're the center of

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a family, if you're a parent in
a in a, in a family, in order to

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be the source of life, you got
to be stable.

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In order to be stable, you
sacrifice that youth and

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adventure with stability.
You got to find the youth and

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adventure within that stability
that within the permanence of

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being a solid family structure
for your a solid family for

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yeah, to be a structured family.
Excuse me for trying to figure

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out my words, but I think you
understand what I'm saying in

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the sense that now I'm grappling
with the fact that can I be

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adventurous?
Am I able to be adventurous sort

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of facts question.
I'm grappling with the question

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can I be adventurous still?
Am I losing it?

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And the answer is absolutely
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The answer is it just requires
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available to me to be
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I've ever had before.
But I'm also limited in certain

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capacities.
I was showing my high school

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students.
I show them every year, but I, I

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showed them last year rather.
And I think the year before I

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show them Steve Jobs's
commencement speech.

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talking about in his speech, he

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was speaking at Stanford, I
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And he told three stories about
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told was about getting kicked

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out of Apple and what that was
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And he said, you know, I'm here,
I am, I'm 30 on top of the

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world.
I got a huge company, enormous

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successful company.
I'm, I've got tons of workers

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under me.
I'm the boss.

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And then I get thrown out.
I get thrown out, you know, and

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he goes, but the weight of my
success, I forgot how.

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I forgot what the weight, how
heavy success was, what the

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weight of my success was.
And I found that I was freed

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from that by getting kicked out
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And I could and I was able to
reestablish next, which Apple

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ended up buying and bringing him
back to Pixar, to Apple rather.

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And he ended up starting Pixar.
He's like, I would never be

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inclined or incentivized or I
wouldn't even be conscious

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enough to realize that, hey,
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Being successful.
Being established means you're

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going to be a little bit less
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You're going to be looking less
for what's out there and

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focusing more on what's within
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I, I think that, I think that,
you know, a full life probably

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includes both of them.
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their lives like that.
You know, you have a point in

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your life where you're young and
you're adventurous, Then you get

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older and you got your kids and
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We are a little bit more set and
settled for a particular amount

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of time.
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the house and you potentially
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adventurous again, but with a
different type of perspective

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now, right?
You're looking at life not with

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what's it all going to be like.
But I've seen a lot of this and

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now I want to go see it in
different different variations

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of it.
I want to see different

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communities, different cultures,
different different worlds,

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different people and see how it
compares to what I spent my

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entire life with.
And you know, so I think that

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part of my concern about getting
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there's different forms of
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creativity and explosion.
You know what I mean?

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Right now is an opportunity for
me to it's an adventure raising

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kids.
It's an adventure staring at,

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you know, recording a podcast
for 40 minutes by myself or or

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get.
I did, like I mentioned earlier,

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I did my first guest show in a
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It's 40 minutes and someone
else's show or you know, every

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new guest that I get or every
class that I teach or my first

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adventure of being an educator
all the way through some of the

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classes high school experience.
My, the freshman that I started

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teaching four years ago are
seniors now and they're about to

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graduate.
And so I'm experiencing what the

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adventure of being a teacher is
and the thrills of that.

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And I'm expect and I'm
experiencing the joy of

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watching.
You know, one of the things I

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was actually thinking about last
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how, how, because my daughter,
who's seven months old, just

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kind of started to be able to
hold her own bottle while she's

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eating.
And I was thinking about how I

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remember it happened so fast
that my son Shua was, you know,

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he needed, we need, he needed us
to hold the bottle for him.

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put a hand on it.

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And then he started holding it
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enough that like he has huge

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hands for a tiny kid.
And his hands finally got big

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enough.
He just like hold it with this

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huge bottle with one hand.
He's just hanging out and, and

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eating.
And I was thinking about that

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whole evolution of his
independence all happened like

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in front of my eyes within six
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And that's something incredible
to get to be a part of.

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And that's something incredible
to be able to watch or to see

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him for the first time.
Figure out a scooter, you know,

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and he scooters down the block
by himself.

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And he's, and he's not, he's not
afraid that I'm not right behind

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him.
And he has the sense of freedom

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and individuality.
And I'm watching his hair in the

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wind and, and he keeps, he's
keeping his little foot up as

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he's, you could see he's
enjoying the breeze while he's

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gliding.
And you're living, you're living

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someone's loving life and
experiencing all the beauty and

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joys of life.
You're living it as someone

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that's observing and watching.
Like, that's so beautiful and

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incredible.
OK, We had to pop outside for a

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minute because my daughter woke
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crying.
So which is why Florida houses

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need to be a little bigger for
my Florida house, perhaps.

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Anyway, all this is actually,
you know, a pre.

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I think that I have a lot of
like things in my head that I

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think in terms of themes.
So if I think it's spirit of

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adventure, for example, I think
about different ways that it

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manifests in my life, personal
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And the one thing I was thinking
about was how is a little sad?

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I feel like it's a little sad
and maybe I'm wrong, but it

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feels like America kind of was
founded and really, really

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exploded into being because of
this spirit of adventure and the

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spirit of hey, man, let's see
what's out there, you know?

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And then at certain point, at a
certain point, I think that we

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got so good and so comfortable.
And so just ahead of the game

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that we started, we, you know,
we became successful.

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And like Steve Jobs, you know,
you know, sometimes he had to

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lose kind of what he had in
order to be able to rediscover

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it.
And I think, you know, and it

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kind of it's a little sad that
it feels like we've been

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falling, falling behind.
And I think that one of the

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reasons why we've been falling
behind is because we, I think

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that we feel or we felt, and
COVID was potentially, I think a

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breaking point for this because
it led to a systematic collapse

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of trust in institutions.
We became adventurous again.

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We started.
Asking questions and then when

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someone and then when an
authority says, oh, that's just

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because the way it's the way it
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We started saying, yeah, but
like, why, you know, or how or

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but what about this?
And instead of saying, Oh, well,

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really, it's not applicable
because XY and Z, it's generally

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please be quiet or you're
dangerous or you're an idiot or

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you're wrong and this happened
left or right, you know,

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especially politically.
But I think it's just a general

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like attitude.
It's an attitude towards

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medicine.
It's an attitude towards

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history.
It's an attitude towards

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journalism.
It's an attitude towards

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politics.
And it's an attitude that on one

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hand, obviously the yeah, it's
not great.

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It's great that people ask
questions and it's great that we

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should be asking questions and
we should be trying to get

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answers.
I just realized my sleeve was

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rolled up awkward with his
entire time.

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I in this same theme, I had
eagerly bought The Age of

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Disclosure, the new UFOUAP
documentary on Amazon and it's a

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really really interesting
thought provoking documentary

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that I personally have not made
my mind up about what I think of

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it.
I think it was really well done.

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I think it's only good that it's
out there.

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Well, almost only good.
Pretty much only good because I

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think that even if the
documentary turns out to be a

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massive psyop or a massive, you
know, attempt by a bunch of

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government officials and many of
whom I don't I don't trust

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Schumer, Rubio, you know,
Obama's head of national

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security and the CIA, Brennan
Clapper.

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Is that his name?
I forgot a bunch of people that

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are on there.
And then there are the people

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that like you could and I that
got Lou, I don't know, man, but

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maybe, but I don't know.
And on the other hand, they seem

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to be people that are really
genuinely authentic about it and

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really genuinely fascinated by
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But I think that the value of
the documentary does is that it

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opens a conversation and you
can't make progress and you

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can't be adventurous if you
don't even have the

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conversation, if you don't even
talk about things, you know, And

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so you know, what's fun is you
know, So I still I watched it.

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I loved it.
Sure to also guy shout out

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again, he watched about.
We watched like an hour of it

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together and he was like, he was
getting later Saturday night and

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he was like, dude, I'm not ready
for this.

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I'm like, why?
Is it because it's convincing

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me?
And I'm not ready for that, you

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know, but.
And whether or not it's, you

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know, meant to convince you a
whole other conversation that

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I'll probably get into with
someone else that I can bounce

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ideas off of rather than just,
you know, riffing about it,

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riffing on it.
But yeah, so and then so I watch

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it with Guy and I watch it by
myself.

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And then I showed it to my
students.

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I showed it to 9th grade, 10th
grade and 12th grade.

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And what was really interesting
is that you can actually see the

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evolution and the progression of
open mindedness to close close

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mindedness as far as the
students ability or willingness

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to acknowledge something
bizarre, something that we were

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told that we thought was crazy,
that we're told was crazy, that

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has no ounce of seriousness.
Even though I don't know, like I

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think it's I think the question
of how is the universe so

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enormous and us being the only
conscious form of life possible?

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That to me feels like it's a
silly argument that we're the

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only that there were only, you
know, conscious beings.

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If I think a much more
compelling argument would be if

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there were was conscious life
had developed billions of

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galaxies or billions of light
years away or whatever it is,

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how in the world would have come
to us And sure, you know, want

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to have a conversation.
Great.

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Also, another great point that a
lot of people make is that a

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UFOs doesn't necessarily mean it
has to be aliens.

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It could be another country, it
could be China, it could be

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Russia, it could be that, it
could be that after the Cold

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War, that, or you know, I mean,
we, we know that in the last 80

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years, the last 20 years, how
much has changed, how much has

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advanced?
And everyone loves talking about

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it.
When I was a kid, we didn't even

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have ways.
When I was a kid, we didn't, you

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know, we had a phone book, we
didn't have contacts and now you

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have blah, blah, blah.
And it's true.

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We kind of take it for granted
because we have extremely short

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attention spans and memories.
We tend to just take these

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things for granted.
And we don't think about the

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fact that 200 years ago the most
advanced form of travel was

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like, I don't know, like a horse
and donkey in a boat, you know,

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or a railroad in a boat,
whatever it is.

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But point being, 200 years ago,
they wouldn't, they didn't dream

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of airplanes, you know, and I
mean, in 200 years from now,

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they'll be like, yeah, they
didn't think about they, they

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didn't realize that you could
travel space.

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Like, you know, like my
grandparents came from my

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grandparents.
My grandfather came on a boat

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from Eastern Europe to to
America in the, you know, post

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World War 2, after the
Holocaust.

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And it took him like a month,
two months to get here.

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And like what dude, should I hop
on a plate?

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Like, you know, I mean, in a
couple of years you make what

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like it only takes like 5 hours
to get there.

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So imagine what you know, and
they thought the whole ocean was

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so huge and how are you ever
going to cross it?

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All of space is so big.
How are you ever going to

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navigate it?
How are we going to get to Mars?

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00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,480
How are we going to get to the
moon or back to it?

445
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,840
I make myself laugh how you
know?

446
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,840
And how, how did they not think
of that?

447
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,240
How did they not realize it?
So I mean, it's just so short.

448
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,440
I think that not only is it
short sighted of us, but it's

449
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,240
also potentially dangerous
because imagination is where the

450
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,440
advancement continues.
You know, the, you know, this is

451
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,680
where progress happens.
Is imagination all the greats,

452
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,440
Walt Disney, my own put a movie
and sound together, you know, an

453
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,040
animation and sound together
until he said how how come we

454
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,760
can't do that or make the park
or Steve Jobs, who's famous, you

455
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960
know, and and by the way, if you
haven't read the biography about

456
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Walter Isaacson, 10 out of 10,
one of my favorite books ever.

457
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,440
But Steve Jobs would fire people
if they said no, He's like, make

458
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,000
a computer, but make it like 3
inches thinner than what it used

459
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,080
to be.
And he's like, no, he can't.

460
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,880
So you're fired.
What do you mean?

461
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,840
No, fired is the answer isn't.
I can't.

462
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,440
The answer is let me try and
figure it out, you know, and

463
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,640
like, if you can't end up doing
it and it turns out to be

464
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,040
impossible, I understand.
You didn't even try, dude.

465
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,400
You even try.
So no, I don't want you working

466
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,800
with me if you're not going to
even bother trying.

467
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,520
I think a lot of people cut the
conversation.

468
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,760
I think in America, the
conversation is cut short very

469
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,000
often.
And that has to do with stigma,

470
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,320
you know, but like, therapy was
a stigma too, you know, and, and

471
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,280
of course everything can, you
know, everything is a pendulum

472
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,840
and everything has, you know,
the good side and the bad side

473
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,120
of things.
And therapy has good sides and

474
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,600
bad sides to it.
And travel has good sides and

475
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,680
danger sides to it.
And, you know, I mean, there's

476
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,480
always consequences and there's
always inadvertent unexpected

477
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,760
consequences to our advances
that we never would think about,

478
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,880
just like in our own lives.
And we develop in our own lives.

479
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,520
And you graduate high school,
college, and you go off to live

480
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,920
by yourself in the city.
And you're so excited to live in

481
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,440
your own house, your own
apartment, and you realize, oh,

482
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,440
man, but I have to do my own
laundry.

483
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,920
And if I don't meal prep, then I
don't have time to, like, make a

484
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,920
solid meal during the day and
during the week.

485
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,800
And then you realize, like,
yeah, you know what?

486
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Being adults is a ton of fun.
I have my own responsibility.

487
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,320
I have my own freedom.
But, you know, it also means

488
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,280
that I have to start doing more
things Or if I'm a dad, I love

489
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,320
being a dad.
I love watching these moments

490
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,880
that I mentioned, you know,
earlier with, with my kids, and,

491
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,600
but it also means I got to wake
up in the other night a couple

492
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,320
of times a week.
You know, it also means that

493
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,200
sometimes my 2 1/2 year old is
crying at 3:00 in the morning

494
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,800
and telling me that he wants to
watch Seinfeld.

495
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,720
And it's and I'm like, you're
being absolutely unreasonable.

496
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,160
And he doesn't care.
And, and like it.

497
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800
That's not you know, that's
that's that's an inadvertent or

498
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,160
unexpected consequence to all
the you know, despite having all

499
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,920
the good things about having
family.

500
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,440
So and I think that anyone
telling you that anything it's

501
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,120
all good is just selling you
something.

502
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,800
You know, that's a famous life
is pain.

503
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,680
Anyone telling you otherwise is
selling something.

504
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,560
Was the great line from The
Princess Bride.

505
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Haven't thought about that line
in a long time, but it's a good

506
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:22,360
one.
So I think, you know, so 9th

507
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,880
grade was totally willing to
like talk about this and say

508
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,680
like, maybe it is, maybe it
isn't.

509
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Some of the students really were
not into it.

510
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520
And some of the students really
thought like this is it?

511
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,120
And some of the students were
like, this is definitely a

512
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,560
conspiracy.
And it was like any but but it

513
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,800
was a conversation and you're
able to say, well, what about

514
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,960
this?
And they'd say, oh, interesting.

515
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,960
Yeah, that and what about that?
You know, and, and and by the

516
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,840
way, it's it's fun because a lot
of times I don't even think

517
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,320
through a lot of the questions
that they have.

518
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:54,480
Like one challenge.
I think that I hope I, I, I, I,

519
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,680
I admit completely and I'm very,
very comfortable admitting is

520
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,520
that I'm not really good at
taking one issue and examining

521
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,360
it from different perspectives
all around it.

522
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,480
Other people are excellent at
that.

523
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,920
I'm really not.
I'm good at comprehension and

524
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,560
I'm good at articulation, but
the my detail orientation and my

525
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,440
analysis in that kind of sense
kind of leaves something to be

526
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,360
desired, I suppose.
But you know, I learned a lot

527
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,880
from just having these
conversations.

528
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,880
And even again, even if it
doesn't go anywhere, you're

529
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,800
breaking barriers in your head.
You're thinking of new things.

530
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,720
And then you could think, well,
how does it happen?

531
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,680
And you know what, at some point
and you hear this stories about

532
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,400
this with Silicon Valley, you
hear stories about this music.

533
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,480
You hear stories with anything
that anyone is passionate about

534
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,280
or interested about.
And like you kind of like, you

535
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,720
know, it's, it's completely
contagious, but you're like, I'm

536
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,520
going to get older.
I'm going to dive into, you

537
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,680
know, there's a whole generation
of, you know, let's call them

538
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,000
aliens or UFO nuts or, you know,
whatever.

539
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,320
And it was considered totally
not formal that have these super

540
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,000
eloquent and articulate and well
produced and, and thoughtful

541
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,200
and, and well researched shows
that go for hours at a time

542
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,960
that, you know, really examine
every odd end of all these

543
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,160
stories.
And some of the stuff is

544
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,320
nonsense and some of the stuff
is great and some of the stuff

545
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,800
is in between.
But you're getting somewhere

546
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,720
new.
You're you're you're you're

547
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880
engaging in something new and
you're breaking and you're and

548
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,840
you're breaking and rebuilding
and saying, OK, well, it looks

549
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,080
like this is kind of built a
little dumb.

550
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Let me see, like what happens if
you like, take that away or like

551
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,760
you, you put that there.
Let me see what this means.

552
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,920
You know, under different
context, like, oh, now it makes

553
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,840
a lot more sense.
But if you're going to say,

554
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,240
yeah, this conversation is even
happening, then how are you

555
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,040
going to do that ever?
So, you know, I think adventure

556
00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:03,320
is and it's, I mean, you have to
be careful because technology

557
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,280
typically equals comfort and
comfort generally does not breed

558
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,720
growth or success.
Almost never.

559
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:18,000
I think that comfort is AI think
in the right portions and in the

560
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,480
right serving sizes is
necessary, especially for

561
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,760
recharging our batteries.
I'm someone that pushes myself

562
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,440
far too much all the time.
And I've come to realize

563
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:38,840
probably in the last year, I
would say that comfort is and,

564
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,680
and, and recharging your
batteries is actually what

565
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,680
couldn't allow you to continue
being adventurous.

566
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,880
You know, at the end of the day,
you still need a bed to go back

567
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,280
to it at the end of the day, you
still need to sleep.

568
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,600
At the end of the day, you still
need to take care of yourself.

569
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,440
You need to eat, you need you
need to do the things to

570
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,040
recharge your batteries.
And sometimes the comfort is

571
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,480
watching is watching Netflix for
a day, you know, once a month

572
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,840
and you just can't get off the
couch.

573
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,680
And usually, you know what, like
I just need this right now.

574
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:11,680
But when it becomes a constant
search for it.

575
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,240
And we also, I think, confuse
comfort and efficiency.

576
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,920
You know that apps can make us
efficient, but are they doing

577
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,440
the thinking instead of us?
Is it replacing us or you know,

578
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:32,840
or are we using it to make our
lives easier so we can

579
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,440
accomplish more?
I think that these are, I think

580
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,720
that a lot of these types of
questions are really worth

581
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,960
pondering.
And then to think to ourselves,

582
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
and I think about this all the
time, OK, where?

583
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,840
At what point do I need to just
relax?

584
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,040
At what point do I need to go
all in?

585
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,280
At what point do I need to take
my foot off the brakes a little

586
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,400
bit but still keep on going?
And life is just about

587
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,880
constantly.
Life has been, at least for me,

588
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,840
constantly.
Just been about trying to take

589
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,680
moment by moment and discern is
this good?

590
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200
You know, what is this right for
me right now or not?

591
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,199
And what do I need right now?
Do I need to go full steam

592
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:10,600
ahead?
Do I need some comfort right

593
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,560
now?
Do I need to be adventurous or

594
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,040
do I have to work on it again,
adventurous.

595
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,040
Being adventurous is to break
out of barriers.

596
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,719
But it's very hard then to stay
still and work on the

597
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,440
foundations while you're
breaking out.

598
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,199
So at what point are you going
to work on your roots and, and,

599
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,520
and the core and the foundations
and the basic principles that

600
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,360
you live your life by?
And then you also got to be

601
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,199
adventurous.
And I think that we need all of

602
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,679
them.
And I think that a bit.

603
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,360
And I, and I actually think that
the different phases of life

604
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,800
that we go through help
naturally reinforce that

605
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,840
emotionally, biologically, as
far as, you know, our

606
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,440
responsibilities and what the
world around us requires from us

607
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,960
at different points in our
lives, you know, so I guess

608
00:34:54,239 --> 00:35:01,200
socially, and I think it's time
for some more, for some more

609
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,640
adventure.
And I think and, and, and this

610
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,200
could even be in a social
setting too.

611
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,520
You know, one thing that I've
been talking a lot about on

612
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,840
different podcasts, I mentioned
this, you know, before I, before

613
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,800
I ended my, the, the more
recent, the, the, the show that

614
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,600
was just on, he said, you know,
what are some, what's some

615
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,520
advice you would give people
that were listening?

616
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,360
And I said, have more bodied,
embodied experience.

617
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,320
Do experiences do more things
with people, do more things

618
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,000
together and to have family, you
know, and I think that those two

619
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,560
things lead to more adventure
and more and more stable and

620
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:49,560
strong roots and foundations.
We need this.

621
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:56,200
We we really need this.
People are not interested in

622
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,240
having families as much.
People are not interested in

623
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,840
communities as much.
People aren't interested in

624
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480
meaning in their lives as much.
And they're finding themselves

625
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,000
going, living lives just
satisfied and just fine.

626
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,880
And, you know, I actually did, I
tried to do a solo episode a

627
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,880
little bit about this and I
don't think I ever published it.

628
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,440
But, you know, the difference
between the weed smoking

629
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,360
community and and the alcohol
community and the drinking

630
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,280
community is that the weed smoke
community typically does not

631
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,320
lend itself to being social.
And we're seeing an enormous

632
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,240
uptick in in cannabis use.
Weed makes you want to send, you

633
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,640
know, sit around and listen to
music.

634
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,960
And yeah, sometimes you hang out
with your friends, but a lot

635
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,760
more often, especially very
frequent, you know, cannabis

636
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,320
users.
And if especially if you don't

637
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:44,160
have a very social base to begin
with, it just basically numbs

638
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,240
that part of you that says, hey,
I want to be social.

639
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,040
Alcohol makes you less
inhibited, makes you more

640
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,120
inclined to be social, makes you
want to hang out with people

641
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,440
more.
I think obviously till you over

642
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,080
drink.
But but yeah, even though even

643
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,640
though even our vices seem to be
indicating that we're less

644
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,160
interested in being adventurous.
So we're more interested in just

645
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,280
kind of being where we are and
being comfortable.

646
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,200
And I just want to encourage
open mindedness.

647
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,280
I want to encourage doing new
things.

648
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,960
I want to encourage even if
something isn't true, even if

649
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,760
it's completely fiction, be
curious about it because that's

650
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,800
how it becomes reality.
That's how it becomes true.

651
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,520
The next Gen., you know, the,
the generations of scientists

652
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,840
that grew up on and I and I
started saying this.

653
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,120
I don't remember if I lost my
train of thought in the middle,

654
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,880
but this generation, the only
reason why, you know, a lot of

655
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,760
them were influenced by Star
Wars and by sci-fi.

656
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,000
And then they said, how do we
make fiction reality?

657
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,600
And if the answer is you can't
shut up, then we're never going

658
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,720
to get anywhere.
So we'll call it there because I

659
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,400
got to run, get ready and get
ready for school.

660
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:57,280
But just some food for thought.
Adventure is out there, as they

661
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,080
say in the movie up.
And so I quoted The Princess

662
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Bride up and another movie.
Bye everyone.