#129: Ephraim Herschmann / Adventure is Out There! / Getting Old / Billy Strings & Honest Lyrics

0:01 Welcome to another episode of come together. We are live with another episode. I excuse me I'm putting my socks on post jog according this on the way out the door to go teach. I'm in my neighborhood has a local group of dads that play softball and they are trying to get me to come and play and I have no interest in playing and they keep on adding me to a group chat and all I want to do is leave let me go.

0:46 So anyway, we're back with another episode. Did my first guest episode today where I actually I've done a guest episode on podcast that no longer runs, but technically second one. I suppose I have a lot of my mind. I actually recorded like an hour yesterday to 120 minute episode and 140 minute episode. And I kept on trying to convey ideas that I don't think I was ready to speak out, but because I was tired because I didn't really have it worked out. But we're back and I'm going to give this another shot and we're going to see if we can make some sense of my head and see what's going on.

1:30 So the general gist of what's been happening, the, the theme that I've been thinking a lot about recently is a theme of youth and adventure. And I think that youth and adventure also inherently kind of is linked to open mindedness because when you're young, you're naive. When you're naive, you don't know whether things are real or not real, true or not true. And you kind of have to break things in order to understand them. One of my friends, a couple of friends, three brothers that are all brilliant, Mendelai Mendelos.

2:13 And, you know, from the time that they were young, they're always, you know, they're, I mean, I've spent time with each of them, one a little bit less with, but in general, very, very fond of the family. And they're all extremely creative, extremely talented and extremely handy. And they're the kind of people that when they were younger, they just spent most of their time putting, taking things apart and putting them back together, including vacuum cleaners and stuff like that. And so I think that I just turned 30 a couple of days ago. And it's, it's weird because I almost like on one hand, I don't want to be OK with turning 30 because I want to say I'm upset that I'm getting older.

2:54 And the truth is it is weird. The time is going by so fast because when I was younger, when I say younger, I mean 20, you know, or when I say I mean 18 or 15, Like if you ever asked me what you think you would be like a 30, I would be like, dude, I don't know. You know, like 30 is so far off and 30 is such a 30 such. It just sounds, it sounds mature. It sounds old. It sounds like you're, you know, supposed to have it all worked out. And now that I'm here, I'm like, you know, it's not too bad. You know, I've been kind of preparing myself for it since I turned 29.

3:38 I said it's not too bad, but I think I kind of wanted to give myself a harder time about it than I really felt because at the end of the day, I don't really know what more I would be a want out of life. I have a family, I have kids, I have a home. Thank God I'm extremely, extremely fortunate. I got a great community and great group of friends and and, you know, so it's almost weird to not be feeling lost or scared. Now it's more of a matter of I'm in a decade of my life or a part of my life. I mean, who knows how long it'll last for that. I'm more focused on building things rather than figuring myself out.

4:22 Like, and, and it's funny because I was actually trying because I, you know, I, I've always, I've always written poetry as a form of kind of self therapy and to help me figure out my thoughts. And I really do, I really do advise that everyone try it. Check in with yourself, Write yourself a letter says dear me, I am feeling. And the other thing is we're not used to expressing our thoughts and how we really feel honestly. We're used to filtering it to people to make sure it sounds socially acceptable, to make sure that it's relatable. You know, you don't want to sound too far off. And there's something I think really, really healthy about being blunt, about being honest.

5:10 That's I mean, that's what people say the value of therapy is, is that how many relationships do we have in our lives on a regular basis? And we could just sit down and say, like, I can't stand XY and Z about this aspect of my life. It doesn't happen very often. And, but, and what people say is like almost regardless of what the therapist responds to them, just the fact, just the ability to get their thoughts out and to be just straight up and honest and not hold back at all is the value. And you can do that anytime and you really, really can. And it does take practice. It's funny because what actually got me into writing to begin with, and I've mentioned this many times, is when my former poetry teacher, Joe Isle and Joe used to he was such he's such a blunt and amazing poet and he's so honest.

6:03 There's AI showed one of my high school classes one of his poems. It's called Ode to Elizabeth Elizabeth, NJ and it's an it's one of my favorite poems of all time. And I mean, I don't have that many favorite of all time poems, but it's one of my favorite poems of all time and one of my favorite pieces of self-expression because he's so honest. One of the great lines that he says is, you know, I don't like to travel much because I find that everywhere I go, I have to bring myself along and that and that's the only thing I care to leave behind, you know? And like this is someone that is struggling with, you know, who he is. And this is someone that's honest with himself. Like, hey, right now, like I don't feel very good about myself.

6:45 And like, we got to work on that. You got to figure that out. And if you can't, and if you can't even say that, then there's no work that could be done. So I think I needed a dose of that. You know, I needed to I needed a reminder about what it's like to write honestly and to express yourself honestly. I really actually found that I went through a little bit. I'm going to end up going down the rabbit hole with this guy and know it with Billy Strings man has been what? And I was I was talking to friends about him. Shout out to guy Ben Hanan, but friend of the pod, multiple time guest. Maybe one day his own podcast host.

7:27 I'll see. Probably not though. And you know, I was talking to he's like, what do you find so engaging about him? I was like #1 musically, he's incredibly talented, duh, number one. Number two, he has a great, a tremendous love and appreciation for other music. And one of the things I love about artists that cover other other music is you can get an idea as to like what their roots are and where they're coming from. And so when Billy Strings takes the time to play old country covers or old Western songs covers or old Appalachian bluegrass tunes, and he's bringing this tradition back to life and he's, you know, keeping it breathing and keeping it going with this whole following that's there for him. But a lot is, is getting an education along the way. I thought that was so great because it's also so unique. It's so personal and it's so I, I, I appreciate one of the things I love about people is individuality. And I'm interested in who you are, why you are what you are, What do you love?

8:41 What makes you, you know, how like what if you were to kind of have a bunch of different influences throughout your life, what would you say you're influenced by and who? These are really important questions. I really do think so. And I think that you get an idea, especially musically, like what someone's like. And then you relate and then you hear them say lyrics and you hear them sing a song. And you could see whether, and you can tell, I could tell with myself, but you can definitely tell us as audience member, when you're listening to someone and they are and they're singing lyrics that they took and made themselves, that, you know, this, this was someone else's song. And I discovered myself within that song. And now I'm playing it as myself. And there's certain songs that you know that, that I think that you know, depending who you are, lend you, you lend yourself to more or less.

9:39 So that's so that was another thing that I found great about him. Then I saw and then I said the lyrics are judged so raw and so honest and so, so refreshing. He feels like he could have been writing in the 70s. And the truth is that I'm sure that there's a lot of great writing writers, songwriters out there. I don't know how to, I, I haven't found, you know, I haven't found too many of the recent ones or modern ones. And I know that there are and I know that there's tons of talent out there. And it's funny because as a fan of sixties 70s music, without really having spent any kind of time today looking around at who's actually playing now or what kind of music is actually available now, I was, I was, oh, yeah, music kind of stinks now. Totally discrediting.

10:26 There's like tons of incredible bands that are writing original songs that are, that are prolific, that are great musicians and great lyricists and tight bands and, and there is a ton of amazing talent out there. Actually, my new studio, I got a Billy Strings poster behind me. Allman Brothers and Jerry Garcia, been in Woodstock. If you can't see, if you're listening, not watching. And. Yeah. And So what? And, and, and, and again, the thing I like about his lyrics to connect it to what I was talking about is that they're raw, is that they're honest, is that they're about ups and downs and honest heartbreak and honest loss and honest tragedy. And hey, man, I'm not even going to. I'm not even going to I'm not going to bullshit you, man. Like this sucks.

11:15 I'm having a hard time. I feel like I'm just gone or I don't even want anyone around to listen. I just want to talk it all out. You know, Secrets was was the name of that song that he talks a lot about this stuff or in the clear. I mean, just such, such great, such great music and so raw. And so last night I was able to really sit down and after I had two failed solo episode attempts, I sat down and I was able to write honestly for the first time in a very long time. And it just, it felt so it felt so great to return to that. And one of the things that I was writing about was, is this spirit of adventure in youth?

11:59 Because turning 30, you know, and people say there's all these Creek cliches about, yeah, you can, you could grow old but not grow up. Just bit my tongue. You can grow old but not grow up. I'm growing older, but I'm not growing up or whatever it is. But at the end of the day, we are growing up and like as time goes on, you do find that your opinion things you know, it's harder to change your mind. It's harder to access new information. It's harder to get excited about new things. Or if you've built, you know, you're either. That's what's cool is I was very transient to my 20s. I was always traveling, I was always moving around. I was going from place to place and I was free with the wind. And then as you become a source of life, in order to be a source, if you're the center of a family, if you're a parent in a in a, in a family, in order to be the source of life, you got to be stable.

12:54 In order to be stable, you sacrifice that youth and adventure with stability. You got to find the youth and adventure within that stability that within the permanence of being a solid family structure for your a solid family for yeah, to be a structured family. Excuse me for trying to figure out my words, but I think you understand what I'm saying in the sense that now I'm grappling with the fact that can I be adventurous? Am I able to be adventurous sort of facts question. I'm grappling with the question can I be adventurous still? Am I losing it? And the answer is absolutely not.

13:36 The answer is it just requires more effort. And if anything, I actually have more resource resources now available to me to be adventurous and creative than I've ever had before. But I'm also limited in certain capacities. I was showing my high school students. I show them every year, but I, I showed them last year rather. And I think the year before I show them Steve Jobs's commencement speech. And one thing that he was talking about in his speech, he was speaking at Stanford, I think 2005 or 2006. And he told three stories about his life.

14:19 And the second story that he told was about getting kicked out of Apple and what that was like. And he said, you know, I'm here, I am, I'm 30 on top of the world. I got a huge company, enormous successful company. I'm, I've got tons of workers under me. I'm the boss. And then I get thrown out. I get thrown out, you know, and he goes, but the weight of my success, I forgot how. I forgot what the weight, how heavy success was, what the weight of my success was. And I found that I was freed from that by getting kicked out and having to start over. And I could and I was able to reestablish next, which Apple ended up buying and bringing him back to Pixar, to Apple rather.

15:04 And he ended up starting Pixar. He's like, I would never be inclined or incentivized or I wouldn't even be conscious enough to realize that, hey, you're successful. Being successful. Being established means you're going to be a little bit less adventurous. You're going to be looking less for what's out there and focusing more on what's within and that balance. I, I think that, I think that, you know, a full life probably includes both of them. And I think a lot of people live their lives like that. You know, you have a point in your life where you're young and you're adventurous, Then you get older and you got your kids and your responsibilities. We are a little bit more set and settled for a particular amount of time. And then your kids are out of the house and you potentially have the opportunity to be adventurous again, but with a different type of perspective now, right? You're looking at life not with what's it all going to be like. But I've seen a lot of this and now I want to go see it in different different variations of it. I want to see different communities, different cultures, different different worlds, different people and see how it compares to what I spent my entire life with. And you know, so I think that part of my concern about getting older was that, but I think that there's different forms of adventure and different forms of creativity and explosion. You know what I mean?

16:30 Right now is an opportunity for me to it's an adventure raising kids. It's an adventure staring at, you know, recording a podcast for 40 minutes by myself or or get. I did, like I mentioned earlier, I did my first guest show in a while. It's 40 minutes and someone else's show or you know, every new guest that I get or every class that I teach or my first adventure of being an educator all the way through some of the classes high school experience. My, the freshman that I started teaching four years ago are seniors now and they're about to graduate. And so I'm experiencing what the adventure of being a teacher is and the thrills of that. And I'm expect and I'm experiencing the joy of watching. You know, one of the things I was actually thinking about last night as I was going to bed was how, how, because my daughter, who's seven months old, just kind of started to be able to hold her own bottle while she's eating. And I was thinking about how I remember it happened so fast that my son Shua was, you know, he needed, we need, he needed us to hold the bottle for him.

17:37 And then he kind of started to put a hand on it. And then he started holding it with two hands. And then his hands got big enough that like he has huge hands for a tiny kid. And his hands finally got big enough. He just like hold it with this huge bottle with one hand. He's just hanging out and, and eating. And I was thinking about that whole evolution of his independence all happened like in front of my eyes within six months. And that's something incredible to get to be a part of. And that's something incredible to be able to watch or to see him for the first time. Figure out a scooter, you know, and he scooters down the block by himself. And he's, and he's not, he's not afraid that I'm not right behind him. And he has the sense of freedom and individuality. And I'm watching his hair in the wind and, and he keeps, he's keeping his little foot up as he's, you could see he's enjoying the breeze while he's gliding. And you're living, you're living someone's loving life and experiencing all the beauty and joys of life. You're living it as someone that's observing and watching. Like, that's so beautiful and incredible. OK, We had to pop outside for a minute because my daughter woke up in the room next door and was crying. So which is why Florida houses need to be a little bigger for my Florida house, perhaps.

18:51 Anyway, all this is actually, you know, a pre. I think that I have a lot of like things in my head that I think in terms of themes. So if I think it's spirit of adventure, for example, I think about different ways that it manifests in my life, personal level, family perspectives. And the one thing I was thinking about was how is a little sad? I feel like it's a little sad and maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like America kind of was founded and really, really exploded into being because of this spirit of adventure and the spirit of hey, man, let's see what's out there, you know? And then at certain point, at a certain point, I think that we got so good and so comfortable. And so just ahead of the game that we started, we, you know, we became successful.

19:42 And like Steve Jobs, you know, you know, sometimes he had to lose kind of what he had in order to be able to rediscover it. And I think, you know, and it kind of it's a little sad that it feels like we've been falling, falling behind. And I think that one of the reasons why we've been falling behind is because we, I think that we feel or we felt, and COVID was potentially, I think a breaking point for this because it led to a systematic collapse of trust in institutions. We became adventurous again. We started. Asking questions and then when someone and then when an authority says, oh, that's just because the way it's the way it is.

20:25 We started saying, yeah, but like, why, you know, or how or but what about this? And instead of saying, Oh, well, really, it's not applicable because XY and Z, it's generally please be quiet or you're dangerous or you're an idiot or you're wrong and this happened left or right, you know, especially politically. But I think it's just a general like attitude. It's an attitude towards medicine. It's an attitude towards history. It's an attitude towards journalism. It's an attitude towards politics. And it's an attitude that on one hand, obviously the yeah, it's not great. It's great that people ask questions and it's great that we should be asking questions and we should be trying to get answers. I just realized my sleeve was rolled up awkward with his entire time.

21:17 I in this same theme, I had eagerly bought The Age of Disclosure, the new UFOUAP documentary on Amazon and it's a really really interesting thought provoking documentary that I personally have not made my mind up about what I think of it. I think it was really well done. I think it's only good that it's out there. Well, almost only good. Pretty much only good because I think that even if the documentary turns out to be a massive psyop or a massive, you know, attempt by a bunch of government officials and many of whom I don't I don't trust Schumer, Rubio, you know, Obama's head of national security and the CIA, Brennan Clapper.

22:11 Is that his name? I forgot a bunch of people that are on there. And then there are the people that like you could and I that got Lou, I don't know, man, but maybe, but I don't know. And on the other hand, they seem to be people that are really genuinely authentic about it and really genuinely fascinated by it. But I think that the value of the documentary does is that it opens a conversation and you can't make progress and you can't be adventurous if you don't even have the conversation, if you don't even talk about things, you know, And so you know, what's fun is you know, So I still I watched it. I loved it. Sure to also guy shout out again, he watched about. We watched like an hour of it together and he was like, he was getting later Saturday night and he was like, dude, I'm not ready for this.

23:01 I'm like, why? Is it because it's convincing me? And I'm not ready for that, you know, but. And whether or not it's, you know, meant to convince you a whole other conversation that I'll probably get into with someone else that I can bounce ideas off of rather than just, you know, riffing about it, riffing on it. But yeah, so and then so I watch it with Guy and I watch it by myself. And then I showed it to my students. I showed it to 9th grade, 10th grade and 12th grade. And what was really interesting is that you can actually see the evolution and the progression of open mindedness to close close mindedness as far as the students ability or willingness to acknowledge something bizarre, something that we were told that we thought was crazy, that we're told was crazy, that has no ounce of seriousness. Even though I don't know, like I think it's I think the question of how is the universe so enormous and us being the only conscious form of life possible?

24:04 That to me feels like it's a silly argument that we're the only that there were only, you know, conscious beings. If I think a much more compelling argument would be if there were was conscious life had developed billions of galaxies or billions of light years away or whatever it is, how in the world would have come to us And sure, you know, want to have a conversation. Great. Also, another great point that a lot of people make is that a UFOs doesn't necessarily mean it has to be aliens. It could be another country, it could be China, it could be Russia, it could be that, it could be that after the Cold War, that, or you know, I mean, we, we know that in the last 80 years, the last 20 years, how much has changed, how much has advanced? And everyone loves talking about it. When I was a kid, we didn't even have ways. When I was a kid, we didn't, you know, we had a phone book, we didn't have contacts and now you have blah, blah, blah. And it's true.

25:00 We kind of take it for granted because we have extremely short attention spans and memories. We tend to just take these things for granted. And we don't think about the fact that 200 years ago the most advanced form of travel was like, I don't know, like a horse and donkey in a boat, you know, or a railroad in a boat, whatever it is. But point being, 200 years ago, they wouldn't, they didn't dream of airplanes, you know, and I mean, in 200 years from now, they'll be like, yeah, they didn't think about they, they didn't realize that you could travel space. Like, you know, like my grandparents came from my grandparents. My grandfather came on a boat from Eastern Europe to to America in the, you know, post World War 2, after the Holocaust.

25:44 And it took him like a month, two months to get here. And like what dude, should I hop on a plate? Like, you know, I mean, in a couple of years you make what like it only takes like 5 hours to get there. So imagine what you know, and they thought the whole ocean was so huge and how are you ever going to cross it? All of space is so big. How are you ever going to navigate it? How are we going to get to Mars? How are we going to get to the moon or back to it? I make myself laugh how you know? And how, how did they not think of that? How did they not realize it? So I mean, it's just so short. I think that not only is it short sighted of us, but it's also potentially dangerous because imagination is where the advancement continues. You know, the, you know, this is where progress happens. Is imagination all the greats, Walt Disney, my own put a movie and sound together, you know, an animation and sound together until he said how how come we can't do that or make the park or Steve Jobs, who's famous, you know, and and by the way, if you haven't read the biography about Walter Isaacson, 10 out of 10, one of my favorite books ever.

26:56 But Steve Jobs would fire people if they said no, He's like, make a computer, but make it like 3 inches thinner than what it used to be. And he's like, no, he can't. So you're fired. What do you mean? No, fired is the answer isn't. I can't. The answer is let me try and figure it out, you know, and like, if you can't end up doing it and it turns out to be impossible, I understand. You didn't even try, dude. You even try. So no, I don't want you working with me if you're not going to even bother trying. I think a lot of people cut the conversation. I think in America, the conversation is cut short very often. And that has to do with stigma, you know, but like, therapy was a stigma too, you know, and, and of course everything can, you know, everything is a pendulum and everything has, you know, the good side and the bad side of things. And therapy has good sides and bad sides to it. And travel has good sides and danger sides to it. And, you know, I mean, there's always consequences and there's always inadvertent unexpected consequences to our advances that we never would think about, just like in our own lives. And we develop in our own lives.

28:02 And you graduate high school, college, and you go off to live by yourself in the city. And you're so excited to live in your own house, your own apartment, and you realize, oh, man, but I have to do my own laundry. And if I don't meal prep, then I don't have time to, like, make a solid meal during the day and during the week. And then you realize, like, yeah, you know what? Being adults is a ton of fun. I have my own responsibility. I have my own freedom. But, you know, it also means that I have to start doing more things Or if I'm a dad, I love being a dad. I love watching these moments that I mentioned, you know, earlier with, with my kids, and, but it also means I got to wake up in the other night a couple of times a week. You know, it also means that sometimes my 2 1/2 year old is crying at 3:00 in the morning and telling me that he wants to watch Seinfeld.

28:47 And it's and I'm like, you're being absolutely unreasonable. And he doesn't care. And, and like it. That's not you know, that's that's that's an inadvertent or unexpected consequence to all the you know, despite having all the good things about having family. So and I think that anyone telling you that anything it's all good is just selling you something. You know, that's a famous life is pain. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling something. Was the great line from The Princess Bride. Haven't thought about that line in a long time, but it's a good one. So I think, you know, so 9th grade was totally willing to like talk about this and say like, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Some of the students really were not into it.

29:29 And some of the students really thought like this is it? And some of the students were like, this is definitely a conspiracy. And it was like any but but it was a conversation and you're able to say, well, what about this? And they'd say, oh, interesting. Yeah, that and what about that? You know, and, and and by the way, it's it's fun because a lot of times I don't even think through a lot of the questions that they have. Like one challenge. I think that I hope I, I, I, I, I admit completely and I'm very, very comfortable admitting is that I'm not really good at taking one issue and examining it from different perspectives all around it. Other people are excellent at that. I'm really not. I'm good at comprehension and I'm good at articulation, but the my detail orientation and my analysis in that kind of sense kind of leaves something to be desired, I suppose. But you know, I learned a lot from just having these conversations.

30:25 And even again, even if it doesn't go anywhere, you're breaking barriers in your head. You're thinking of new things. And then you could think, well, how does it happen? And you know what, at some point and you hear this stories about this with Silicon Valley, you hear stories about this music. You hear stories with anything that anyone is passionate about or interested about. And like you kind of like, you know, it's, it's completely contagious, but you're like, I'm going to get older. I'm going to dive into, you know, there's a whole generation of, you know, let's call them aliens or UFO nuts or, you know, whatever. And it was considered totally not formal that have these super eloquent and articulate and well produced and, and thoughtful and, and well researched shows that go for hours at a time that, you know, really examine every odd end of all these stories. And some of the stuff is nonsense and some of the stuff is great and some of the stuff is in between. But you're getting somewhere new. You're you're you're you're engaging in something new and you're breaking and you're and you're breaking and rebuilding and saying, OK, well, it looks like this is kind of built a little dumb.

31:35 Let me see, like what happens if you like, take that away or like you, you put that there. Let me see what this means. You know, under different context, like, oh, now it makes a lot more sense. But if you're going to say, yeah, this conversation is even happening, then how are you going to do that ever? So, you know, I think adventure is and it's, I mean, you have to be careful because technology typically equals comfort and comfort generally does not breed growth or success. Almost never. I think that comfort is AI think in the right portions and in the right serving sizes is necessary, especially for recharging our batteries. I'm someone that pushes myself far too much all the time. And I've come to realize probably in the last year, I would say that comfort is and, and, and recharging your batteries is actually what couldn't allow you to continue being adventurous.

32:46 You know, at the end of the day, you still need a bed to go back to it at the end of the day, you still need to sleep. At the end of the day, you still need to take care of yourself. You need to eat, you need you need to do the things to recharge your batteries. And sometimes the comfort is watching is watching Netflix for a day, you know, once a month and you just can't get off the couch. And usually, you know what, like I just need this right now. But when it becomes a constant search for it. And we also, I think, confuse comfort and efficiency. You know that apps can make us efficient, but are they doing the thinking instead of us? Is it replacing us or you know, or are we using it to make our lives easier so we can accomplish more? I think that these are, I think that a lot of these types of questions are really worth pondering. And then to think to ourselves, and I think about this all the time, OK, where?

33:45 At what point do I need to just relax? At what point do I need to go all in? At what point do I need to take my foot off the brakes a little bit but still keep on going? And life is just about constantly. Life has been, at least for me, constantly. Just been about trying to take moment by moment and discern is this good? You know, what is this right for me right now or not? And what do I need right now? Do I need to go full steam ahead? Do I need some comfort right now? Do I need to be adventurous or do I have to work on it again, adventurous. Being adventurous is to break out of barriers. But it's very hard then to stay still and work on the foundations while you're breaking out. So at what point are you going to work on your roots and, and, and the core and the foundations and the basic principles that you live your life by? And then you also got to be adventurous. And I think that we need all of them. And I think that a bit.

34:36 And I, and I actually think that the different phases of life that we go through help naturally reinforce that emotionally, biologically, as far as, you know, our responsibilities and what the world around us requires from us at different points in our lives, you know, so I guess socially, and I think it's time for some more, for some more adventure. And I think and, and, and this could even be in a social setting too. You know, one thing that I've been talking a lot about on different podcasts, I mentioned this, you know, before I, before I ended my, the, the more recent, the, the, the show that was just on, he said, you know, what are some, what's some advice you would give people that were listening?

35:20 And I said, have more bodied, embodied experience. Do experiences do more things with people, do more things together and to have family, you know, and I think that those two things lead to more adventure and more and more stable and strong roots and foundations. We need this. We we really need this. People are not interested in having families as much. People are not interested in communities as much. People aren't interested in meaning in their lives as much. And they're finding themselves going, living lives just satisfied and just fine.

36:08 And, you know, I actually did, I tried to do a solo episode a little bit about this and I don't think I ever published it. But, you know, the difference between the weed smoking community and and the alcohol community and the drinking community is that the weed smoke community typically does not lend itself to being social. And we're seeing an enormous uptick in in cannabis use. Weed makes you want to send, you know, sit around and listen to music. And yeah, sometimes you hang out with your friends, but a lot more often, especially very frequent, you know, cannabis users. And if especially if you don't have a very social base to begin with, it just basically numbs that part of you that says, hey, I want to be social. Alcohol makes you less inhibited, makes you more inclined to be social, makes you want to hang out with people more. I think obviously till you over drink. But but yeah, even though even though even our vices seem to be indicating that we're less interested in being adventurous. So we're more interested in just kind of being where we are and being comfortable.

37:09 And I just want to encourage open mindedness. I want to encourage doing new things. I want to encourage even if something isn't true, even if it's completely fiction, be curious about it because that's how it becomes reality. That's how it becomes true. The next Gen., you know, the, the generations of scientists that grew up on and I and I started saying this. I don't remember if I lost my train of thought in the middle, but this generation, the only reason why, you know, a lot of them were influenced by Star Wars and by sci-fi. And then they said, how do we make fiction reality? And if the answer is you can't shut up, then we're never going to get anywhere. So we'll call it there because I got to run, get ready and get ready for school.

37:52 But just some food for thought. Adventure is out there, as they say in the movie up. And so I quoted The Princess Bride up and another movie. Bye everyone.