#134: Joshua “Pacey” Neuman / Venezuela / Free Speech / Oral Hygiene / Parenting

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together,

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Pat.
Yeah, in an apartment building

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you always get to because
there's 100 people see your

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Wi-Fi.
Cheers, dude.

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You're so fine, dude.
I needed, I need a, what do you

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call it?
I needed to this to be a one of

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those talking, talking things
out podcasts rather than.

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Yeah, I think.
So.

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It started.
I I got some guy texted me while

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we were all going back and forth
on our chat about Venezuela the

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other day.
He's like, dude, I would love to

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hear Pacey.
I'd love to hear you, Pacey,

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record a conversation about
this, about Venezuela, And then

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I'd let me text you and you're
like, yeah, I'm down, dude.

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Yeah, it's fun.
Yeah, all this stuff is fun.

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What's funny is you keeping up
and you good.

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Yeah, I then this was almost
done.

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It was almost over pissed.
Oh, oh, 'cause you.

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Yeah, you get a little air when
you drink beer.

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Yeah, yeah, I didn't do that.
But yeah, man, there's so many

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different things that I felt
like we always talk about in the

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group.
But it's so much better to just

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like, have a conversation about
and let it let it all breathe.

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Like I walked to kiddish the
other week also that I, I feel

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like we always have this idea
that, that everyone, like I, I

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always at least think that some
of the points I say are kind of

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obvious.
But then you'll see and like you

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see a lot of people online,
like, I don't know, I don't mean

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it like I don't mean it.
And so I'm saying like most

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people are just kind of going
about their lives.

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And that's why it's cool when
people put pieces dealing like

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you'll instinctively know, like
Jordan Peterson was good at that

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originally.
At the very beginning, he was

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like, here's a lot of stuff that
like we all kind of know, but no

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one's been able to kind of like
word it correctly.

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And he came out and said a lot
of that stuff.

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And obviously later on, you can
say he, he he is playing with

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ideas more and maybe he's a
little more abstract or

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whatever, but those original
ideas were pretty neat.

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Yeah.
And I bet it's because he's been

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working on them like he's been
working on them for years.

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Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

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And then you got caught with
new.

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Content and you're like.
Oh, you see how hard and you see

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how how having the original
staff, it's so hard.

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That's why I stopped listening
to Ben Shapiro at a certain

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point and not the way because
it's funny.

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I mean, I probably disagree with
him more now than I ever have,

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but especially when I was in
college and I was a creative

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writing literature major and I
was surrounded exclusively by

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like far, far left people.
And it's funny because I wasn't

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ever exposed to politics, so I
didn't even know what that was

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like.
I didn't know what any of that

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meant.
And I would just hear a lot of

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people in my English classes
trying to explain their

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perspective and very little of
it actually made very much

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sense.
So I was like, well, if this is

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politics, it's kind of dumb.
It's kind of dumb that

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everyone's kind of worked up
about this.

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Yeah.
But she grew at that point was

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really like, absolutely going
through campuses and like, like,

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just really.
He he was so grounded and so

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evidence based and he was going
scorched earth on earth on

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people and obviously bad on late
on bad ideas, lazy ideas at

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work.
Yeah.

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Not thought out, lazy at at
worst bad.

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Yeah.
OK, fine.

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Yeah, and he just did such a
good job.

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He used to go around from campus
to campus and his videos were

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huge.
And and you, I'm sure you used

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to watch those videos.
It was like a 45 minute.

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That was our adventure.
That was our child.

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That was our.
Yeah, when we were coming up,

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that was it.
That was the Charlie Kirk at the

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time.
Yeah, he was the, he was the

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Charlie.
And you know who else?

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Dude who popped up randomly on
Tucker's podcast the other week?

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Milo Yiannopoulos, dude.
Oh my gosh, dude.

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He almost came to Binghamton.
My friend Heim Eagleman almost

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got him to come to Binghamton at
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And he got and then I think he
got cancelled as like as he was

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about to like join or maybe the
university flipped out or

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something like that.
Well, because he's a he was on

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his flaming, what do you call
his flaming bang tour, whatever

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you call him.
Yeah, he was, he was a like

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provocateur, but it was weird
because we, we had words for

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things that we don't word now.
Like, I don't know if he called

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himself a provocateur, but he
certainly said things purposely.

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Yeah, in a provocateur.
And he would and he would, he

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was so, and I don't know if his
ideas always fit together, but

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like 70% of it was that like
initial stuff everyone.

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So it's like cool.
And obviously he was, he was

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gay, but a conservative.
So yeah, like a niche.

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He's a rage beater.
And he was, yeah, he was rage

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before he had rage beaten point.
He was an incredibly unique,

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unique and.
And as far as an entertainer,

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Yeah.
Yeah, I mean that how do you

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beat that kind of entertainment?
No.

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But then he got, I think it was
politically, he got that.

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You know what's so funny?
Every time people try, try to

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silence, that's what we want to
talk about.

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Freeze.
Every time people try to silence

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voices, it never goes the way
you want.

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So you got Milo out of the car.
I'm not about.

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I disagree with almost
everything.

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Let's be very vague.
He's down for an ethno state.

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Christian nationalism.
Like, is he like, yeah, I mean,

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he well, because now he they get
to come back like this would

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come back.
He knows what he needs to do.

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He when he when he lost his
audience, he went, he said he's

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no longer gay.
And that's something he said and

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he went and yeah, he said that
the whole thing on top.

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Yeah, the whole episode is about
him trying to not be gay.

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He went to he went to a
Christian kind of angle and you

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know, the only ironic.
But now it's it's so

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contradictory to his nature,
like, well, yeah, but he's

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trying to survive in a world
where the the yeah, the thing he

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would to be provocative thing he
was just doing was it Yeah, was

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snagged.
And so he pivoted.

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Listen, you got to respect the
of effort.

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But yeah, I was thinking
recently it's it it's so

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interesting that guys like Lex
Friedman and Huberman and Rogan

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have like kind of catapulted to
like this like really historic

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level of exposure and influence.
And in a way that like in the

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past may have been delegated to
musicians or political leaders

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or, you know, like they, they
have taken like such an intense.

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I really think a big part of why
alcohol consumption has been so

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down in general, it's because
rowing quit drinking and talks

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about it.
And Huberman has been never,

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never really drink and always
said like, do drink what you

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will if you want to, but here's
what you're doing yourself.

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Just be aware of what you're
doing.

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That's true.
I remember that.

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I remember that episode came out
a huge episode.

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Multiple people I know were
just, I've been drinking for

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like 6 months after that was
scared.

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I tried to not drink.
I severely limited my drinking

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like 6 months after that.
But, but the point is that and,

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and what I would imagine,
imagine is that throughout

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history, at least through
American history, but I think

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our history in general, the
people that are going through

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the hardest times are the people
that become the most creatively

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fertile and the most
trailblazing, I guess in a

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certain sense, right?
The reason why the Blues were so

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great in the 60s was because
that was like the peak at that

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point, or I guess the conscious
peak where where it was so close

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to getting, we're so close to
rights for the black community

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and so far from it.
And like you could taste the

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freedom.
You were right there and you and

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then the Blues come out of that
and soul comes out of that and

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jazz comes out of that.
And I think that I think the

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spirit of that, of that, the
oppression of that and the

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fighting back and the fighting
back, Yeah, yeah.

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And the fighting back isn't the
best way possible, is suffering

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in the worst way, of course.
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And I think it's become so cool
to have rejected conventional

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values that people that have
conventional values like

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yourself and myself feel like,
it feels like, I don't assume

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that people are like interested
in getting married or having

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families or having kids.
And like, it almost feels like

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you're part of a club.
If you're like, you know, if

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you, if you believe in the
nuclear family.

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Like it's such a, it's such a
cast aside.

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It's not, it's not portrayed in
Hollywood.

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It's not portrayed in music.
It's not really portrayed in

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culture.
Everything's about individuality

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and and freedom by untethering
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opposed to freedom from building
responsibility.

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It's funny.
I was just, I was just actually

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like going down a rabbit hole.
I mean, it's an obvious one, but

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you always hear obviously and
you hear about, right, Judaism

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is a, is a box, but life is a
series of of restrictions and

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that is freedom.
And you go back to like, and

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these are like the Cliche or
Socrates, Aristotle, right?

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Everyone always mentions them,
no one else.

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But if you go back to
philosophers, that's my thing.

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It's like, it's like, it's like
it's like faux philosophy or

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like intellectual.
There's a great quote by the

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Plato.
Plato.

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No, but all of the people of
that time, we think of the the

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the mission statement of the
Enlightenment, all these things

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was individuality and was adding
individualism to a world that

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did, you could argue need some
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when people's ability to express
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Today, if you look at the 2025%
of the world doesn't have basic

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human rights in the free speech,
it's almost like an abhorrent

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way more than 25% does not have
free speech.

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Way more than 25%.
I think it's, I think it was

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back when I looked this up, it
was 24%.

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But then with this China, which
stuff, by the way, China has a

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one out of people does not have
free speech.

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True.
True.

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But I'm saying 1/4 of people.
Yeah.

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So is, if you think about it.
Yeah, it's crazy.

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More people on this planet.
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Cannot say what I think.
Like these are the people that

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just can't like.
And then you have countries

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where it's like half and half
like whatever, but they talk

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about, it used to be the idea of
in old philosophy, it was not

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the shedding of all
responsibility.

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It was the idea was you should
be allowed to shed whatever you

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have.
But part of that moral equation

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was you have, you still have a
moral affirmative duty to, to

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put together a framework of your
own or you and your colleagues

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or your community.
So you can't, it's not just shed

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this stuff and just leave it
alone.

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I think that's why you see a lot
of people now like the Charlie

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Kirk stuff where it's like,
yeah, well, we want a framework

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and it's like the government's
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framework.
And I'm very the great point of

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the itself often like the
government is the highest goal,

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the highest value, the highest,
the the Big Brother of society

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as opposed to something like God
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community or traditional values,
even your own family, dude, like

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people have more, are more, much
more invested in what the

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government has to say than what
their family has to say.

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Yeah.
Which is which is why when you

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think about it, it's just yeah,
it's yeah.

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And so I think yeah, we've so
you're right.

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We've spent so long as a culture
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And by the way, I showed my high
school students the The Dead

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Poets Society.
Yeah.

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Oh, that's right.
We're talking about the nominal

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movie, phenomenal movie.
And the.

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You had seen it.
Yeah, I have seen it.

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Yeah.
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Who didn't see someone we know
since she would only only see

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who was on the call.
Calm out.

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But I mean, the fundamental

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dynamic of that movie is the
misunderstanding between the

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adult authorities and the
children who want to express

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themselves.
And Robin Williams is the person

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that says, listen, like, to be
in a Shakespeare play, you have

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to be great in a Shakespeare
play, you have to be enormously

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talented.
You have to put time in for your

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lines.
You have to do the work through

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the Shakespeare.
You have to translate to

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yourself for yourself what
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the actor of it.
I mean, I don't know if you've

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ever taken a Shakespeare class
in college, but, oh, you're an

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English major.
You had to have, right?

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Did you?
Yeah, of course.

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So I mean, you can watch 5
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about Nothing and every single
one of them is so fundamentally

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different from one another just
by the way that we before.

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I mean, that's the reason why
when you read a script.

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So, but anyway, the point so, so
this movie was about how a kid

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wants to act and his dad doesn't
let him and says, no, you got to

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be respond.
Like to shut down greatness,

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creativity and affinity towards
the, the, the humanities in the

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arts is obviously so wrong.
But to go all the way the other

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way to say to pursue the arts to
the extent that there is no

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responsibility.
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and I think that's where we are.
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full circle why things like
Rogan and Huberman, unless

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Freedman are so popular, is
because they're people that are,

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that are not afraid to self.
First of all, they don't self

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censor and they say things like
we want family values.

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We respect that, you know, Rogan
respects his family and his

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privacy and humor.
Made talks about how he wants to

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have, you know, get married and
have a family.

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And like, even if you've been
following Human's podcast for a

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couple of years and you notice
things like his dad is on and he

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always talked about how you had
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his dad and then to have him on
is like you can feel for him as

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the audience.
Hey, I'm cheering on a father

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and a son repairing a difficult,
obviously relationship difficult

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and tense and I want to do that.
That's beautiful.

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That's inspiring as as opposed
to I know people that have wrote

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in college thesis papers on why
you should never talk to your

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family again if they're
unhealthy and like what you

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going to do, you know?
No, I, I think these are I think

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it's just life is just very can
be very tumultuous and

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complicated and trying to reduce
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Well, I think in general, are
you going to talk about the, I

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think people are just trying to
reduce things down to its

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simplest form because it's bite,
then it's bite size.

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I remember my father had a funny
line because he, my father wrote

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books and you know, very a
successful therapist,

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specifically in marriage and
divorce.

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And, you know, he, he had this
joke, obviously this joke

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because he, he loved writing, he
loved great ideas.

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But he said he's like, I don't
know why I write these, these

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substantive books that teach you
real lessons and and tell you

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about the hard work you can do
to, you know, repair a

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relationship, make the
relationship sounds like he's

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like, I don't know why I'm doing
that when, you know, I could

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just write.
I just write a 50 page, you

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know, wish it wanted do it right
from what the fact, like he

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always joked about that, like he
would probably sell more.

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That's what that was the joke.
But he didn't want to do that

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because because he you could.
I mean, the reason he's very

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good at weight because he
genuinely loves helping people

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and and he has the emotional
intelligence for it, the IQ for

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it, and he just very good at it.
But that translated into the way

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that he raised you guys.
Like do you see that he was very

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conscientious about very
conscientious.

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And you can pick that up as his
kid.

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Yeah, more and more as you got
older, right.

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As a 5 year old, I just see,
wow, you know, my father's very,

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he's listening to me like
whatever.

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But but no, he we've talked
about it.

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I even did a little video with
him.

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But where it's, it's, it's not
like just about listening, but

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understanding where someone
comes from.

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And I think I've like the world
has so much Gray in it.

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If you just understand where
someone's coming from, you'd be

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shocked how much 90% of the
work, how much of the work that

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yeah, that that gets you.
It's just it's it's almost you.

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You'd almost wouldn't believe it
unless you like really try

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because then you realize
everyone's.

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And that's a thing.
I'll talk about Bench.

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I think Ben Shapiro's mistake
recently was kind of leaving

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that doctrine where he always, I
think Peterson said that he said

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you always have to assume that
the person's coming to the table

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is really means it, right.
You can't assume a bad faith

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actor or you can't or you won't
ever engage in that.

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It'll just shut down.
You always have to assume the

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person's being authentic.
I know.

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I'm just realizing one of the
issues maybe today is that it's

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not is that everyone's
everyone's with all the rage,

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but you're mixing up the comedy
and the authenticity and it's

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fun.
Listen, I'm not saying it's not

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good fun, but if if it if you
can't really parse it out and if

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you try to hold someone to it
and they dance around it

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because, well, that was a joke.
I said on street, It's it.

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I maybe that's why it becomes
different, by the way.

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But even if that happens, that
does clarify and repair the

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damage.
It does repair the damage and it

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does, I think for example, like
the Dave Smith and Nick Fontes

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debate or conversation, rather a
podcast where Dave, he was like,

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dude, like you really think that
there weren't 6,000,000 Jews

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killed?
He was like, Nah, he goes, I'm

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not.
Are you going to push me?

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That and I'll be like, yeah, OK.
Like, I don't feel like I don't

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care enough to, like, make this
statement.

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So am I going to be inclined to,
like, say something outrageous?

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Yeah.
And then if I'm pressed on it,

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will I change my mind?
Sure.

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Like, it's not, it's not a hill
I'm willing to die on.

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And I think that we need more of
those type of hills that I want

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to die on.
And then you prove a bad idea to

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be a bad idea.
And then all his listeners

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presumably will understand like,
oh, well, like, if that's not a

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hill will die on, we're not
going to die on the hill.

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You know, you're like, that's
great.

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So that's the that's the value
of the conversation.

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Yeah.
And if you if you let everyone

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just talk, I don't know, like,
it's just so obvious, like I was

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you speak like one of the things
I like freedom of speech.

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It's like, besides all of the
the ACLU work that was done

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with, you know, trying to
protect Nazis, right.

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To to speak to Mark.
It's a great article from 2021.

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I remember it because it was
Wall Street Journal.

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They were, I think, celebrating
the one of the last good

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articles they wrote recently.
They wrote about a 20 and 80

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year old ACLU Jewish lawyer.
It wasn't the main guy.

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I'm forgetting his name.
I apologize, like setting the

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article.
I just remember vitally, and

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it's him at this celebration on
in on behalf of him and all, and

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he's sitting there at the ACLU
event and all the new attorneys,

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all these young and like as as a
lawyer, I understand where

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they're coming from ambition
wise.

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They're they're playing in the
world.

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They were giving right.
They don't want to defend Nazis.

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They don't want to defend white
supremacists.

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They want to defend, you know,
they want to do the SJW.

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They want to do the the that
that you know, quote UN quote,

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good work.
And so they're doing speeches

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where they're saying and we're
proud because it's it's it's

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different branches like each
state.

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We're proud to have defended
this group, this group, this

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group and not this group.
And the article goes through the

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Sky's like almost horror at like
this isn't this isn't a defense

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of free speech.
This is advocacy.

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And this is like a nightmare.
And you.

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We're not.
You know, excuse my friend, I'm

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bullshitting here.
Like AI is coming.

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Like if like are we here to
preserve people's ability to say

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whatever they want whenever they
want without prosecution of

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government or are we not And
either you believe that the

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people's ability within 10
years.

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We're not, I don't think.
And that's the worry.

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Yeah, I think that we're already
kind of not there, but it's.

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But I think that here's I think
I think that all the information

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is being consumed and recorded
and stored.

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I think that if it were acted on
and it and and the people that

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were collecting information,
whether it by the way, again,

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and you know, there was such a
great explanation for this quote

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UN quote deep state, which is
the equivalent and such a great

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example of metaphor of a renter
and owner.

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You know, and and and and the
top positions are general within

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any kind of government
bureaucracy, There tend to be

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renters.
They're there for four year

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terms, 2 year terms sometimes.
And then they, and then and

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because the people on top, Tulsi
Gabbards, the the RF KS, the so

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the Marco Rubio's, Marco Rubio's
will be done in four years from

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now.
And then you move on.

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And but the people 2 two steps
below him are, are losing their

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jobs.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

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But so I think that those people
are the people that are saying,

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hey, we need a tight shift.
We need security.

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America needs to be #1 if you
know, and, and honestly and,

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and, and I guess everything
always kind of, again, this is a

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pendulum swinging safety.
Equals less freedom inherently

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yeah, that's Tom yeah.
Tom Thomas Jefferson.

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Yeah, which is 11.
The classic give a little

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liberty for a little security
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly.
And so I think that right now

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there is so much fear, whether
it's manufactured or not true.

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I think that if they were
revealed tomorrow in a mass

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scale, another Ed Snowden type
of situation where the NSA and

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everyone is in cahoots to spy on
all the American citizens, I

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don't think that many people
would be like that upset.

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I don't think that many people
would care that much.

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I think that a few people would
be upset because of principles,

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and I think that most other
people would be like, yeah, I

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hear.
I don't want any terrorist

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attack happening either.
And you know what?

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I don't want the deranged Trump
fans or the deranged liberals or

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deranged anyone coming at me.
And so I want FBI to know what

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they're saying.
I'll Do you want better?

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Yeah.
That happened.

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You mentioned Snowden.
Never Snowden.

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Remember when that happened?
Yeah, I remember when that.

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I don't remember that happened.
I remember.

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I remember learning about it
because I wasn't aware of

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anything when that.
No, no, So.

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No.
So the truth is, I remember

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like, listen, I was as a kid, I
was very into politics.

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But were you as a kid?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Not many people were, but like,

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I remember when it's like
everyone started having like, I

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was just like read the newspaper
and stuff.

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But I remember Edward so
vividly.

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And it was like 2 months of
like, whoa, yeah.

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And then nothing.
Yeah.

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And it was business as usual.
There's no follow up.

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What do you think of nothing
parts where this and that and

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the other.
It was very weird.

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Oh, the, the I'm not.
He hasn't been parted yet.

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I think he lives in Russia.
He does live in Russia now.

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So I've heard someone say, I
don't know if I believe it, that

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part of the the cost of living
in Russia is trading

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information.
And so you can't accept, you

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can't pardon him or accept him
back.

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Oh, because he might have been
there too long.

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It might just be like you can't
bring him back on.

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But then the other answer is
that he he might not want to

450
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,200
come back if he's really afraid
that he's going to get shot down

451
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,920
in the streets like this might
be just one way or the other.

452
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,400
His thing is long done.
I mean, there's so much you talk

453
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,960
about a news cycle.
He's it hasn't been talk about a

454
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,760
news cycle, dude, talk about a
news cycle.

455
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840
Well, Venezuela, that's how I
did a video today that I thought

456
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,800
was would you was quite that's
here.

457
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,200
Well, it was just about the I
think.

458
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,080
So here's the two ways you can
look at it.

459
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,720
You can look at geopolitics like
the wild, like we saw our chat,

460
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,760
right, Wild West where everyone
can do anything because listen,

461
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,680
outside of your own sovereign
citizens, outside of your own

462
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,760
nation, you have your own
citizens and you have a police

463
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,000
force and you can control
whatever.

464
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,320
So but each nation can't really
control the other.

465
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,680
So we wrote these laws, right?
International, international

466
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,440
laws.
And we said you can't do this,

467
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,280
but no one enforces it.
Yeah, you can't do this.

468
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,080
And it's like that came out of
the idea of like, listen, can we

469
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,840
not nuke each other because
that's mutually assured?

470
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,640
Or if someone holds up their
hand and the only human being in

471
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,680
the neighborhood of war, you
say, well, OK, but then if that

472
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,600
happens, the rest, besides
tonight's a handful of things.

473
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,200
You could argue that the rest is
just political pressure.

474
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,560
Is there enough political
pressure to deter?

475
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,160
Right.
Mutually assured destruction is

476
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,080
the best deterrent because.
Because then it's it's game over

477
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,400
for everyone.
India, Pakistan.

478
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,200
Yeah.
So.

479
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760
So yeah, they're they're, I
mean, I don't want to, I don't

480
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,720
want to jinx it.
One pod.

481
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,400
That's.
Right, that's right, the cosmic

482
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,760
that's going to be called the
cosmic podcast, dude.

483
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,040
It's going to be like like one
of those cinematography moments

484
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,760
where like the IT goes through
the wire and this podcast gets

485
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,760
into the ears of a general in
Pakistan.

486
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,160
He's like it's time the privacy.
Was like the.

487
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:59,120
Worst butterfly yeah, I've been
fortunate to not be involved in

488
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,960
any of those at least not be
conscious of any of the

489
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,040
butterfly effects of any of my
actions.

490
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,680
So far dude so far so Venezuela.
So you made a video you know I

491
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,080
so I just did a so it about how
so I don't know to what agreed

492
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,840
listening could be but now
America is on record doing the

493
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,800
the manifest destiny or I mean
you could say right or wrong.

494
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,000
Listen, I also agree to an
extent that a country in your

495
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,560
backyard, you are the superpower
of a, of a continent and you're

496
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,080
crunching your backyard has more
oil, more gold than anyone else.

497
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,080
And it's just, and it's not even
one of the big countries.

498
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,880
They're just, they're doing it.
What, you know, they're

499
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,840
siphoning it off.
So you're like, I'll siphon it.

500
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960
I get that.
But you know, Taiwan's up for

501
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,600
grabs now.
So here is what I heard today on

502
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:54,800
my podcast today, and I've been
hearing a lot of this and I'm,

503
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,440
I'm not, I've come more around
to the attack or not the attack,

504
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,680
but to the kidnapping.
Then you know, you know, the,

505
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,240
you know, what's going on with
that.

506
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,360
There's a every video, every
person who's done a video about

507
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,840
this, who says the word kidnap.
It's like kind of good for the

508
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,360
algorithm.
There's like 300 comments it's

509
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,400
so funny.
He wasn't kidnapped, he was

510
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,640
arrested.
He was kidnapped just that.

511
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,360
Over and over you look at what
happened there there.

512
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,920
Was an arrest warrant, there was
an international court.

513
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,320
So it's like been good for the
algorithm.

514
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,280
But it's also like, yeah, it's
so funny.

515
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:43,160
It's so funny.
I I'm not happy because

516
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,920
obviously it creates a
precedent, right, that we don't

517
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,040
necessarily want to be play out.
On the other hand, and I wasn't

518
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,640
aware of this at the time that I
had this original opinion, China

519
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,680
and Russia both get enormous
amount of natural resources from

520
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Venezuela.
I think Iran is also part of

521
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,040
that.
Iran is also part of that,

522
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,080
although Iran has their own
obviously very abundant supply,

523
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,720
but a big part of the whole
process is actually being able

524
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,120
to mine usable good oil.
That there's different types of

525
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,880
oils apparently, and not all oil
is necessarily convertible to

526
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520
energy in the same kind of
effective or cheap way.

527
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,600
That is the oil that we talked
about when we say that, you

528
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:31,680
know, buying a barrel of oil.
And so Trump, if he was able to,

529
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,320
which he pulled off, arrested
someone that allegedly had a

530
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280
warrant out for him, although
again, Netanyahu is a warrant

531
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,120
out for him.
Can you imagine the explosion

532
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,120
that would occur if someone
says, Hey, you broke a quote UN

533
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,640
quote war crime in a court,
found you guilty and we're going

534
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,880
to bring you to justice because
you're a quote UN quote

535
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,840
terrorist.
Like, listen, I that, that a,

536
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,320
that is scary because there
really are courts that have

537
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,240
that, that have determined that,
that he's a war criminal and

538
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,320
there are places that he really
can't fly to now.

539
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,280
And if any of those places
decide, hey, you know what,

540
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,840
instead of you waiting for you
to come to us, we'll do what

541
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,800
Trump did, we'll come to you.
But put that aside for a minute.

542
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,840
No one got, no Americans got
killed, no American assets got

543
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,480
injured or damaged.
So there was literally almost no

544
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,640
loss of taxpayer dollars as far
as the operation goes.

545
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:27,360
You put a massive wedge between
China and Russia's practically

546
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,560
Trump just posted right before
we started recording this that

547
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,000
we're getting what, 3050
million?

548
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,880
Was it million?
I don't barrels, barrels of oil

549
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,080
like a lot of we're getting a
lot of oil.

550
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,280
We're getting a lot.
By the way, not marketing, not

551
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,320
not not investing advice, but
buy, buy gas.

552
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:54,960
But buy Exxon, you know, but.
So we are making enormous.

553
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,520
At the end of the day, the
question really to me for a long

554
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,800
time was does America need to
act this way, need to act this

555
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
way?
And the answer right now has

556
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,680
become a little bit more clearly
probably like, yeah.

557
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,600
And that becomes the question
and probably does that mean do I

558
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,240
want 18 year olds getting shot,
getting killed in the streets?

559
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,440
No Do I want 20 year olds,
American troops grabbing

560
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Venezuelans out of their homes
in like in suburbs, like what

561
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,880
was going on in Iraq and
shooting up families, God

562
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,520
forbid, and being traumatized
for the rest of your life and

563
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,680
creating terrorists?
No, of course not.

564
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,640
But no one died here.
I think there's a couple of

565
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,080
Venezuelan deaths from the from
the land strikes.

566
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,680
I will say no.
So the actual initial attack,

567
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,800
what a wild that's the whole
thing because we want to talk

568
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,520
about, I mean, you know, guys
like Dan Carlin who are military

569
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,240
historians.
I mean, they'll be studying.

570
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,000
That's a cool.
You think so?

571
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,920
I think it was very cool.
I think that's a wild thing to

572
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,080
do.
That being said, I just saw, I

573
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,040
mean, to think that the entire
country will be centralized

574
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,400
right now, it's you destabilize
the country.

575
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440
That's not there's people in the
in certain regions now where

576
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,800
there's there's, you know, rogue
paramilitary, whatever.

577
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,440
It's just kind of wrong.
Absolutely.

578
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,000
And the person you put in charge
is still kind of, you know, for

579
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,480
Maduro, Well, there's no one in
charge.

580
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,920
They're being overseen by Rubio
Hexath and and one of the dude,

581
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,080
yeah.
I just I just mean it's it's if

582
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,640
it if it's all said and done and
somehow they're able to

583
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,800
stabilize this country fully and
get it to a place where the

584
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,480
election cycle could happen.
Legitimately happened totally.

585
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,360
And by the way, just another
step real quickly before before

586
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,240
it just happened between as far
as China and Taiwan go.

587
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,240
China needs energy to invade
Taiwan.

588
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,840
China needs energy and gas to
function as a society.

589
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,800
And if Trump cuts off an
enormous percentage, I think

590
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Venezuela itself covers like 20
or 30% of the world's oil as far

591
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,880
as usable resources go.
If you're cutting off 20 or 30%

592
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,920
of we're trying to be getting
practically free oil in exchange

593
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320
for the investments that they
made and the infrastructure in

594
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,000
Venezuela, which they've done,
then China's in debt because

595
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,760
they put the money into
Venezuela, right?

596
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,480
So the citizens have to pay the
taxes they were counting on free

597
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,240
oil as a compensation for that,
for that debt that they were

598
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880
getting free oil and and and
energy sources.

599
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,520
And now that just got cut off
while while this business

600
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,080
transaction is still in the
middle of happening.

601
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,440
So right now trying to
basically, I mean, it's the

602
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,480
equivalent of a view in the
middle of 12/20.

603
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,920
There's someone who arrests the
store owner I.

604
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,360
Mean like I just.
Picked the guy, you know, like,

605
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,600
oh.
I'm sorry, he's arrested, he's

606
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,680
gone, you know.
Money's gone.

607
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,080
So this apparently, allegedly,
ostensibly could hold up China's

608
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,240
China's mobility, tactical and
military mobility.

609
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,000
They, they're going to continue
doing whatever they do with

610
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,320
their soft influence and their
spy power.

611
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,760
And that's what they're best at
anyway.

612
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,840
But it, it looks like it could
have pushed off or potentially

613
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,120
push off a little bit Venice,
China's invasion of Taiwan.

614
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080
I think the, it's possible, who
knows?

615
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,920
For 70 years they've been
non-stop talking about

616
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,000
reunification and the other they
think big picture too.

617
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,800
So 70 years is like nothing.
I mean, it's like, I mean the

618
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,400
ability for this country to wait
a handful of years until another

619
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,000
president, another foreign
policy and then take president

620
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,920
10 presidents.
And I'm not saying that.

621
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,360
And that's the point I was being
is listen, precedent may not

622
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,160
matter.
It's political power, but if

623
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760
this precedent was and it might
have need to happen anyway

624
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,120
because I I agree that you're
that that Venezuela just I mean,

625
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Venezuela is not worth siphoning
generally Western resources and

626
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,800
creating a hub of Intel.
I mean of of not puppet state,

627
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,680
but a a great relationship with
your enemies is in your

628
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,760
backyard.
Ricks, You know, Ricks is but,

629
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,560
but one could say that Taiwan is
the same thing.

630
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Now, listen, they don't have
gold, they don't have oil.

631
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,160
But Taiwan is the not like #1
they're virtually the only

632
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,960
producer of the supercomputers,
the, the, the chips needed for

633
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,080
the net for AI.
And so you want to talk about

634
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,480
the most valuable resource on
the planet?

635
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,200
I mean, those ships have a
little bit of oil is a little

636
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,480
bit of oil isn't going to hold
you back from getting the chips.

637
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,400
Because this ship, how are the
four ships they need to take the

638
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
island Like, like they got
billions of people.

639
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,120
Yeah.
And what?

640
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,560
And you're telling me the only
thing they got to do is wait?

641
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,760
What is it?
What's what's 12 months times

642
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,360
336 times?
What's 36 + 12?

643
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,840
So they got to wait 48 months
until Trump's out of office and

644
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,880
to see what's in stories because
maybe maybe they're worried, but

645
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,840
whatever the case might be is, I
don't know if this is the

646
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,960
precedent they needed or wanted
or whatever, but it does.

647
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,480
I don't to some measurable that
changes the game.

648
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,640
So I totally get what you're
saying.

649
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,600
I totally even agree with you.
I what I would say is I had a

650
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,800
teacher, a rabbi one time in
yeshiva that used to say you got

651
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,120
to plan your life somewhere
between 5 minutes and five years

652
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,120
from now.
He's like, you're too short

653
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,240
sighted.
You're going to make a lot of

654
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,000
mistakes.
You're too long sighted.

655
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,520
You're never going to make the
short term decisions.

656
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000
You need to get you there to
that long term decision.

657
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,560
For example, if you want to, if
you want to get up, end up with

658
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,120
a six pack, you know, by the end
of the year, right, you got to

659
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,040
take a series of short term
steps and decisions that will

660
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,760
get you there.
You know, and if you think I

661
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,480
have a whole year to go ahead
and get that 6 pack and then for

662
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,680
the first six months you're
snacking away anyway and you're

663
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,680
not and you're not getting off
the couch, you know, OK, now I

664
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,200
have half a year and like, and
all these little decisions end

665
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,960
up making an impact on your
ability to actually achieve your

666
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,800
long term goal then.
So it might not.

667
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,960
So you're right that China has
the benefit of being able to

668
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:11,199
plan and strategically even hold
back for a presidency or two

669
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,040
presidencies or even 3
presidencies.

670
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,880
But if they keep on taking hits
along the way and they're kind

671
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,880
of just oozy, they're they're,
they're, you know, they have a

672
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,360
bunch of with the leading out,
you know, because of different

673
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,679
hits on Venezuela and then
tariffs and then this from there

674
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,679
and that I get it, I get it.
But now and listen, what's the

675
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,400
alternate right?
Don't take Venezuela.

676
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,679
And they do the same thing
anyway.

677
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,520
I'm I'm not saying that's the
case.

678
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,760
I'm saying that America's new
bullish position is now on, on

679
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,080
the, and nothing happens on the
world's.

680
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,560
And, and you're talking about a
country that switches leaders

681
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,719
every four years on the world
stage.

682
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,920
The countries that keep the same
leaders for long periods of time

683
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,600
that, that, that have
centralized power in, in a way

684
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,880
you can't fathom.
I mean, those countries are that

685
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,320
changes the geopolitical stage
totally.

686
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,720
I mean, the resource they want
is a part of a island, Nate.

687
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,720
I mean, not island nation, a
sovereign nation right off of

688
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:10,720
their coast.
Yeah.

689
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,480
I mean, that's similar from Cuba
or.

690
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,960
Yeah, I mean, and then you went
to a South Korea.

691
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,800
Like, I don't know it just.
I listen.

692
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,480
I don't know when I hear, but I
hear.

693
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,880
All I know is my whole life I've
heard about Taiwan.

694
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Yeah.
And something's kept them back.

695
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,840
Well, I guess we'll see what
happens.

696
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,360
I guess so.
Do you know what you.

697
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,960
You ever hear of bricks?
I just don't know what this term

698
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:38,960
today it's Brazil, Russia,
India, China and S might be

699
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,600
might be Saudi, but I might be
wrong.

700
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,480
I don't want to say that for
sure.

701
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,360
Syria, Sudan, Sandfield
probably.

702
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,200
But either way, it's basically
the largest, the largest

703
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,240
countries and superpowers of the
world other than the United

704
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:02,800
States that are basically
pushing back and opposing

705
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:06,720
Western philosophy from
conquering and spreading

706
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:11,040
throughout the world.
And so, but these powers are not

707
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,880
small powers.
Brazil, Russia, India, China,

708
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,840
and fill in even whatever 1 you
want for the last one.

709
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,920
That's a lot for the United
States and Europe because United

710
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,720
States basically supports Europe
almost at this point.

711
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,200
That's a lot for us to go up
against.

712
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,680
And so there really is our work
cut out for us in the in, in the

713
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,720
coming years, especially if we
continue self sabotaging and

714
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,480
thinking so short term.
And we just think about

715
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,840
tomorrow, we just think about
the midterms and the next

716
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,760
election cycle.
And you're like, dude, you got

717
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,240
to make a decision.
That's a little bit more.

718
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,200
One of the one of the things
that one of the reasons Hope and

719
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,800
gang is right, I'm pretty sure I
am, is that you had the

720
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,600
constitutional amendments right,
your inalienable rights and

721
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,320
inalienable rights.
Foreign policy wasn't one of

722
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,720
them.
I'm pretty sure foreign policy

723
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,840
was sourced from the crown or
something like it.

724
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,880
The idea is like you don't have
a right to dictate foreign

725
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,760
policy and there was an
understanding that who doesn't

726
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,080
have a right who as a citizen
that foreign policy there, there

727
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,280
was two things.
There was the there was that and

728
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,200
then there was the practical
consideration, which is back in

729
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,560
a time when like male even now,
but for sure then where male is,

730
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,880
you know, it takes two months to
get a letter or whatever that

731
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,000
foreign policy decisions
couldn't be made at a democratic

732
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
level, right?
You have to have one guy at the

733
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,520
top saying, you know, this, this
and that because that's the only

734
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,200
way you can.
So these other nations, they

735
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,200
don't have those political human
rights to the people, right?

736
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,440
But one of the things they do
have are one guy at the top who

737
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,640
make a decision very effectively
in One Direction in might be

738
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,800
wrong direction or might be
right.

739
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,480
Well, what we have, and This is
why I, there was a, a great

740
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,920
debate that I watched.
I shocked the guy, one of the

741
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,400
top guys from the Chinese
government, from the Democratic

742
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,560
Republic people Party.
He said, yeah, they have an

743
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,800
analogy to use in English.
She's like your, your car is 4

744
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,440
wheels going in different
directions.

745
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,080
Our car is always in One
Direction.

746
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,480
And then his, it was funny
because his thesis was because

747
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:28,000
all of our people agree and we
are unified and we agree.

748
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,680
And then like, obviously the the
guy was questioning, he was

749
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,920
like, and what do you do with
the people who don't agree?

750
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,160
You throw them off a bridge.
Yeah.

751
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,480
Yeah.
So so they just weed out.

752
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,240
So that is one of the tools that
I think come in the coming.

753
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,560
I mean, listen, you sacrifice
liberty for it, but it's a a

754
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,680
practical political
consideration you have to make,

755
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,320
which is what you're saying,
which is every four years your

756
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,120
foreign policy shifts.
We have Biden and we have Trump

757
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,960
and he's like, we need to take
over the hemisphere.

758
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,000
Yeah, but you know what?
It hasn't shifted 50 freaking

759
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,560
years.
It hasn't shifted as far as

760
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,400
foreign policy goes.
Now, we might have flip flop

761
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,880
back and forth between who we're
aligning with and who we're not

762
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,640
and like which terrorist, which
groups we're assigning as

763
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,800
terrorist groups or which groups
are inviting into the White

764
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,200
House or not.
No, but but but they but our

765
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:24,480
foreign policy generally
speaking has always continued to

766
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,920
be creeping towards expansionism
resources.

767
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,120
And we justify it by saying if
we don't do it, China or Russia

768
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,280
and someone else is going to do
it.

769
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:41,640
And what you sacrifice along
that way, all those, you know,

770
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,840
hypotheticals that you are
checking the box that you've

771
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,320
conquered, you've sacrificed all
your freedoms in the process of

772
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,400
actually achieving all that
safety and all that expansionism

773
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:57,520
and all that empire building.
Yeah, I, I think, I think I, I

774
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,360
was saying in well, every four,
yeah, fair enough.

775
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,760
Because I, I do think it's, it's
like, I think that's basically

776
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,160
the same.
That is just change that is

777
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,600
true.
Like what has changed as far as

778
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,120
foreign foreign policy has, is
concerned almost since World War

779
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,400
Two.
Well, I think you do have Trump

780
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,680
said I'm ending wars.
He's just started two more, but

781
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,800
people's people's own personal
philosophy.

782
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Could dictate right.
So you had Obama was in office

783
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,640
and he's like, listen, let's
make a deal with the Iranian

784
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,520
government and that can look a
certain way based on one person.

785
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,520
Sure, but then he's bombing
Yemen while he's on Yeah, but

786
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,880
and he's doing he's and like
he's a bombing Libya while he's

787
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,240
doing it and like he's doing
these things that were part of a

788
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,960
foreign policy agenda.
I'm not saying there's a

789
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,160
military industrial complex who
has like tremendous influence

790
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,360
career politicians and stuff.
I'm just saying that that

791
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,600
there's one guy at the top who
could make executive decisions

792
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,920
and that can change on a time.
And if you and especially you

793
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,800
might argue that now that
someone's gone into office and

794
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,600
changed it on a time it's not
taboo to do so, like like who

795
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Trump, in what sense would he
change?

796
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,960
Well, he's trying to take over
the hemisphere.

797
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,400
He's she's taking Greenland.
He's talking about in the news

798
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,680
last year and now now he's now
he's officially.

799
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,160
That's not like the next 20 days
of that same perspective, which

800
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,880
is which is imperialism and
continuing to or we're saying

801
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,680
that as as insistent.
Yeah, meaning we had that.

802
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,640
That's still like you might say,
for example, if, if Obama's

803
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,080
focus is on a couple of
countries in the Middle East and

804
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,880
some focus on Greenland in
Venezuela, it's still

805
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,680
impossible.
We've tried a bunch of yeah,

806
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,080
we've tried regime change.
Everyone listen, everyone has.

807
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,280
That was the whole thing with,
with the whole conversation.

808
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,240
The whole issue that everyone is
having with everyone, with us

809
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,560
being concerned about the rest
of the world is how many issues

810
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,400
we have at home that we are,
that we aren't dealing with.

811
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,680
That's the problem.
And I, and I said this before

812
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,560
and I'm going to, I'll say it
again because I just read this

813
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,080
and it kind of, it really blew
my mind.

814
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,920
I, I don't know if this is true,
but it's very easy to imagine

815
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,440
this is true.
OK, hypothetically, let's say

816
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,960
there's three to five people
that have half the wealth of the

817
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,240
United States.
Elon Musk, Bill Gates, David

818
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:08,280
Slash, Larry Ellison, you know
the Ellison family, right?

819
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,720
And let's say one or two other
people, hypothetically, right,

820
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:17,000
if they make 10% annually on
their investments, and then the

821
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,000
other half of the country, which
is everyone else, right?

822
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,800
Other half of the wealth of the
country makes loses 3% and stays

823
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,640
equal right or even as it gains
1% or 2% or 3%.

824
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,280
The point is you can report a
positive GDP, you can report

825
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,560
that your economy is going
strong and most of the people

826
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,800
will not feel it.
And that's what's been

827
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,080
happening.
Trump's been talking non-stop at

828
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,840
how great the economy is.
But for some, for, for some

829
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,000
reason, everyone does.
Everyone feels like, hey man,

830
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,760
you got your like a year ago,
you had your finger right on the

831
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,360
pulse of like what everyone
wanted.

832
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,560
And now it feels like it's so
far off.

833
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Well, I mean, that goes to the
main point is I think there's a

834
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,560
stated preference and actual
right though the whole actual

835
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,360
preference, right?
You can say you want something

836
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
and then you actually what you
actually do is different.

837
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,000
I think most vast majority of
people are just they just want

838
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,480
the economy to be good and
that's all they want.

839
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,520
They want to go to that is like
all they want and, and and and

840
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,360
not to talk down or not like to.
I hate when people are like, Oh,

841
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,560
we understand the Nick Fuentes
people and they're just, they

842
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,520
just want to be loved and they
just want girlfriends.

843
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,440
It's like, no, or like they just
want, but there is something to

844
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,080
be said that people who have who
are frustrated because they

845
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,400
can't pay their bills, they
can't do this, can't do that.

846
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,560
We'll just start getting
frustrated in different

847
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,760
directions and they'll start
getting angry at everyone around

848
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,240
them.
And then you say, we're going to

849
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,680
crack down on this, this and
that, on immigration, on this

850
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,880
and that, and we're going to,
but then nothing's changed.

851
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,680
And you're like, what the fuck?
What's going on?

852
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Yeah, dude.
I told my, I just my, when I'm

853
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,200
teaching my 9th grade students,
I showed them a video about,

854
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,080
about white supremacists in
America.

855
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,720
And one of the things that I
wanted to really emphasize to

856
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,360
them was that they're just that
a lot of these people start the

857
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,160
same way that everyone else
does, which is they're just

858
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,480
regular dudes that are working
or having a hard time or don't

859
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,680
know where to look.
And then someone takes the, the,

860
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,120
the, the, the premise of truth,
which is the world is hard and

861
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,160
life is hard and think and like,
in order for you to succeed, you

862
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,880
have to take on responsibility
in your life.

863
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,360
But instead of saying that, they
said the world is hard, the life

864
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,640
is hard.
And it's because of XY and Z,

865
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,640
and it's because they came here.
It's because he's here.

866
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680
It's because she's there.
It's because of the Hispanics or

867
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,160
the Jews or the blacks or
whatever you want or the Indians

868
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,680
or whoever you want to call it,
right?

869
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,880
I mean, you could talk about
there's tons of white people

870
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,960
now, but a lot of people
remember when the the Irish and

871
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,680
the the Italians were at war.
I I have a friend.

872
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,640
I have a friend who's always
getting beat up.

873
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,080
Dude, you're a friend who was
Italian.

874
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,960
His grandparents.
I remember going to them for for

875
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,320
one's house.
They're talking to his grandpa

876
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,240
only speaks Italian, doesn't
speak English.

877
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,200
Yeah, And if you to this day, I
don't know if it's still alive.

878
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,440
This was five years, six years
ago and he was older.

879
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:24,560
But if you said to him that you
were Irish, I mean, he wouldn't

880
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,880
talk to you.
He would get like angry like he

881
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,520
wouldn't.
He would be like like people,

882
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,120
people forget because now it's
like, it's like anyone from

883
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Europe.
It's okay.

884
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,240
We just want people from Europe,
right?

885
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,640
Just pure golden.
It's like it's kind of I hated

886
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,400
each other when it was just you
guys.

887
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,560
Yeah, history, 1000 years of
history, 1500 years of history,

888
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,640
all all I want.
So it's like, what do you think

889
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,720
that Jews don't do that either
though?

890
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,480
Like you stick.
Absolutely, absolutely.

891
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,840
I think everyone, it's just
tribalism dishes.

892
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,800
So yeah, tribalism.
I'm not saying it's good or bad.

893
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,120
It's just you have to understand
the world.

894
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,440
We're totally, totally.
And I actually explained this

895
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:02,960
the same thing to the students
too.

896
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,560
I was like, if you think you're
better than that, ask yourself

897
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,840
why you make fun of conceited
people.

898
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,840
You're asking why.
Ask yourself why you make fun of

899
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,800
modern Orthodox people.
If you think that you're so much

900
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,520
better that you would never be a
racist, but like where you would

901
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,520
never, like fall for the trap of
white supremacy or Nazism, were

902
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,600
the not the, what were the
experiments called there?

903
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,240
There was a series of social
parents in the in the 60s and

904
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,560
70s that dealt with that
question.

905
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,200
They said social science right
back when social science was

906
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:28,880
real.
Yeah.

907
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,760
And not just like, can you yell
again?

908
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,200
I saw an article the other day.
I sent it to my family.

909
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,160
It was especially my cousin who
who was like, I guess she was

910
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,320
like in therapy programs,
psychology programs in college.

911
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,200
And it was science.
A series of scientists.

912
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,960
Yeah.
Determined that pigeons don't

913
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,520
like to be screamed at.
The funniest.

914
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,680
It's like fake social science.
Yeah, But back when they did

915
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:03,360
social science and realized that
if you were a German child in

916
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,160
Germany, I mean, the chances
that you would be a part of Nazi

917
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,280
youth and accept it.
Are you kidding?

918
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,200
I mean, you wouldn't believe.
How?

919
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,200
And what do you do with that
information?

920
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,680
The idea?
What do you do?

921
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,440
You you try to, I guess, adjust
your moral framework where you

922
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,400
get it wrong and you just and
open yourself up.

923
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,840
No, and and what I was going to
say before, before is that

924
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,040
something full service.
I understand where someone comes

925
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,520
from is then you're you're
almost breaking that cycle.

926
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,480
You have you are, you're almost
breaking you are.

927
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,920
You don't have to agree.
By the way, we I've been talking

928
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,560
about there are all sorts of
people, whether within Judaism,

929
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,640
with another, you don't have to
agree with them.

930
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,000
You're the dude in Rogan.
He was a couple of months ago,

931
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,680
his black dude.
And like he just through being.

932
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,840
Yeah, for sure.
And well, I think of Pete Reagan

933
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,000
just through just through his
literally awesome personality

934
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,560
and being a musician.
He turned like hundreds of white

935
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,960
supremacists and like Nazis and,
and, and got them out of the Oh

936
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,760
my gosh.
By the way, he was on again

937
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,440
because he was on back.
I mean, yeah, yeah, he came

938
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,720
back.
He he, he came back a couple

939
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:13,080
months ago.
Wow.

940
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,240
He was awesome, one of the
coolest characters you'll ever

941
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,120
see or hear about.
He just wins him.

942
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,840
He's like, so he'll walk up to a
Nazi.

943
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,480
You're like, hey man, why do
you?

944
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,960
What's up?
He's like, I don't talk to

945
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,400
people like, why not?
He goes.

946
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,760
You're the rude of our problem.
It's.

947
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:33,720
Like, how's that?
And you can't give me, by the

948
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,160
way, it's so funny because
aggression requires aggression

949
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,200
to exist.
It's like fire requires air to

950
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,560
exist.
Regression aggression requires

951
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,480
that someone else participate,
otherwise it goes away.

952
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,360
Yeah.
And that's why in road rage, if

953
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,040
someone says my that, yeah,
you're stuck there, like like

954
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,000
I'm trying to yell at your.
Kid, you're mad at your.

955
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,600
Wife, you're mad at your parents
and like and then like are your

956
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,480
siblings and all of a sudden you
hear like these words and you

957
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,200
don't want to hear them
sometimes because you want to be

958
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,600
upset, of course.
And you're like, now you're

959
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,880
right, Right.
You're like, God damn.

960
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,760
Or if I want to get out of
things, I'd be like, yeah,

961
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,600
you're right.
I'm sorry about that.

962
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,640
I messed up like, well, really.
And I'd be like, well, yeah, you

963
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,800
know, I totally get where you're
coming from.

964
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,200
And I should have been more
thoughtful about that.

965
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,040
What are you gonna say today?
You're gonna fight?

966
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,680
Hang on.
Let's take a quick break.

967
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,360
Can I ask you a question?
Sure.

968
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Do you collect toothpaste?
Because there's like 4 in your

969
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,360
back there one year.
What's going to be going on with

970
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,040
toothpaste?
Yeah, I do, dude.

971
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,960
I'm in healthy toothpaste
through all the buys.

972
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,320
Healthy toothpaste, dude.
It cost like $7.00.

973
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,000
It's cost like $7.00.
Is it right?

974
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,920
No, screw fluoride, dude.
Is that fluoride?

975
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,280
Fluoride.
Yeah.

976
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,240
That's the stuff that, like,
makes you tardy.

977
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,360
Like on Earth Day.
It saves your teeth.

978
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,760
They're all you need.
No, you have enough in your

979
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,600
water.
You don't need more.

980
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,480
Now, is it fluoride?
What's the fluoride?

981
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,440
Makes your teeth stronger with
too much of it is bad.

982
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,360
Oh, my gosh.
They got you.

983
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,120
They got you, dude.
Are you crazy trying to listen?

984
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,200
We're talking about
understanding.

985
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,400
I don't know where the dude.
By the way, I have absolutely no

986
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,000
bases for saying.
Anyone in your family to have a

987
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,640
tooth extraction and you're
like, OK, I'll start brushing my

988
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:11,240
teeth.
Correct.

989
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,360
No.
So for years I brushed my teeth

990
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,280
correct.
Right.

991
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,840
I was like, what is correctly
mean?

992
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,120
Exactly what I thought was
correct.

993
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,480
Circles across your teeth 60
seconds back.

994
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:23,640
Yeah.
Behind.

995
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,680
Yeah.
What is the amateur, of course.

996
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,720
Sure, dude.
You never know who was or lied

997
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:30,480
to you.
It's true.

998
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,920
So I remember watching somewhere
that.

999
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,760
So that was my standard
flossing.

1000
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,280
Watching somewhere flossing
wasn't what?

1001
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,080
You just mouthwash.
No.

1002
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,800
Whoa, I know.
See, you cannot mouthwash

1003
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,920
instead of flossing.
So I was awoken because all it

1004
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,840
takes is like someone in your
family or like or whatever

1005
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,120
extended family to like, start
telling you like, all right, we

1006
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,440
had a tooth extraction, which,
by the way, happens as you get

1007
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,080
older.
You'll have that another week.

1008
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,040
Yeah.
You have a get a, a root canal

1009
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,000
and then the root canal, you
know, the doctor's head.

1010
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,120
And they're like, we got to take
out the tooth, you know, the

1011
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,840
doctor's head.
She said stop using the hippie

1012
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,600
toothbrush.
No.

1013
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,520
And they said you use too much
fraud.

1014
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,760
Get the hell this guy.
That's not true.

1015
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,560
Get at it.
No, dude, no.

1016
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,200
So now, so the toothache sucks,
dude.

1017
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:31,000
So in the last few years I've
been I learned how to brush your

1018
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,080
teeth.
And let me tell you something

1019
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,600
you want to talk about the life
philosophy you're talking about

1020
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,480
that life is, is not the
glamour, the glamour you're too.

1021
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,040
So it's so funny we mentioned
this because I think it's a

1022
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,160
perfect example.
The like brush.

1023
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,240
You want to brush your teeth
like circular your whole teeth,

1024
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,520
get out all of your teeth for 60
seconds and then rinse your

1025
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,840
mouth out and feel fresh.
That's the the real hard work.

1026
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,520
You ready for this?
You're supposed to turn your

1027
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,880
toothbrush to an angle, do
little things on each and then

1028
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,640
and then flick downward.
Like flick.

1029
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,400
I don't do the bad stuff off You
do the flick, flick.

1030
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,280
I, I floss.
I don't flick.

1031
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,160
You flick.
But when you floss often enough,

1032
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,800
there's not a lot to flick.
Usually that's where they get

1033
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,600
you.
Who they It's yours.

1034
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,280
It's yours.
Dude.

1035
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,080
No.
And then here's the best part.

1036
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,160
This is the part that's going
to.

1037
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,560
I'm telling your audience is
going to believe this part.

1038
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,480
You're supposed to only use a
little bit of toothpaste and

1039
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,280
you're not supposed to rinse.
No, no.

1040
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,600
You're supposed to just spit a
bunch of times.

1041
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,560
What?
Yeah, just leave.

1042
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,720
What?
And they say if you're really

1043
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,960
time out, once you're really
uncomfortable after 30 minutes,

1044
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,880
you can rinse 30 minutes.
Yeah, my balls strung to the.

1045
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Ceiling for 30 minutes.
I isn't that crazy, but that's

1046
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,080
life.
That's the hard stuff you don't

1047
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,160
want to do.
That's the the day in, day out.

1048
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,920
Work on your teeth, floss,
floss.

1049
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:05,680
Then you.
Floss what?

1050
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,240
What flick is there?
No, no, no.

1051
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,080
You don't flick with floss you
can't flick with floss you can't

1052
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,520
flick with.
It's like a sign.

1053
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,520
This is just talking about for
sure there's a sign of it.

1054
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,840
I was talking to guy.
Cheers.

1055
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,320
Hi, dude.
Here's here's the next time

1056
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,480
question.
Go for it.

1057
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,240
Do you would you rather listen
to an hour of Candace or an hour

1058
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,640
of Nick?
Find this well, if it's got to

1059
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,920
be Nick Fred just because it's
he's he's for sure he's that's,

1060
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,600
that's yeah, that's obvious.
Because also with with Candace,

1061
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,320
you're just for me, it's like a
yeah, it's just if nothing's

1062
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,880
going to make sense or like I'd
rather I'd rather just be

1063
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,960
entertained like I used to
listen to.

1064
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,120
I can't listen to her anymore.
Dude, I tried, I've been trying

1065
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,080
recently and like the big videos
and like, yeah, I mean, is that

1066
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,800
thing going to be off the whole
time going?

1067
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,320
Off you're the beep.
What beep.

1068
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,320
All right, I stopped listening.
That you stop listening.

1069
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,760
You know what that is?
What is that?

1070
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,400
That's.
I want to do You add ice.

1071
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,680
What you add ice?
Is this an ice machine?

1072
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,040
No, that's I don't even know
what you're talking about.

1073
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,640
I've tuned it out after like you
haven't heard any beeps in the

1074
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,640
entire time I stopped hearing
it.

1075
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,320
You know, it's crazy.
You know, was it you someone?

1076
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,480
I had someone a couple months
ago for for a meal.

1077
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,440
They said that there Oh, there
it is.

1078
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,120
What is that?
It's going on the entire time.

1079
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,800
It's an hour and a half.
It's my podcast.

1080
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,880
Yeah.
So by the way, it's funny how

1081
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,720
big the mind could, Yeah, you
could holding out if you hear it

1082
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:46,760
enough.
But so that is the old security

1083
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,880
system.
There you go.

1084
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,400
And I have tried, but like, I
don't want to pull it out

1085
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,480
because I don't want like wires
hanging out in my house.

1086
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,320
But I know where it is.
I know where the box is and it's

1087
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,920
coming from that thing.
No, no, no.

1088
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,320
It's that there's a box right
there.

1089
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,800
It breaks you by the hallway
fucking wall.

1090
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Then I got like I got kids.
I can't have like a wires

1091
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,520
hanging out.
So the answer is he's going to

1092
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,560
get the wires.
OK, yeah.

1093
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,320
I'll tell you what it is.
I don't hear you.

1094
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,240
Don't hear.
I believe you, by the way.

1095
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,960
You know, I believe you because
I found out that I say, you know

1096
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,320
a shit ton in the middle of
talking every time I'm trying to

1097
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,880
make a point and there's like a
moment of sun, excuse me, your

1098
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,920
hesitancy and now I might hear.
I fill it in with you.

1099
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,360
No, and someone pointed out to
me.

1100
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,120
And then ever since I've heard
that I can't stop noticing

1101
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,360
words, filler words.
Someone if someone points it

1102
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,600
out, you just can't stop.
I mean, I just ruined.

1103
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,480
I just did 160 fucking episodes
and they're all terrible, dude.

1104
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,520
They all just say, you know,
every fourth word.

1105
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,680
Mark Cuban has his his word is
he does it all the time.

1106
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,240
He goes right, he'll say shit,
he'll say so AI is the next

1107
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,840
thing right and and he'll just
and they're prompting me able to

1108
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,000
listen to him without hearing
it.

1109
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,440
They're prompting words, not
just.

1110
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,520
Yeah, but you're not secure in
what you're saying.

1111
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,840
What it.
Doesn't make a joke.

1112
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,320
It's not just stupid people like
you.

1113
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,080
Yeah, it's not.
Stupid people like Mark Cuban

1114
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,640
too.
Exactly dude.

1115
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:14,280
His campaign for Kamala made no
sense to me.

1116
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,320
Dude, why do you do that?
He had to.

1117
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,960
He had to have a reason.
He's, you know what's

1118
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,600
interesting?
He's he's good at thinking 2

1119
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,280
steps down the road.
And I'm not.

1120
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,000
So a lot of times I'll think of
people that are thinking 2 steps

1121
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,080
down the road.
I'll mistake them for being

1122
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,480
idiots.
But this just felt like a really

1123
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,320
bad, like, just like, just like
it kind of just ruins his

1124
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,920
credibility.
And then and then he kept on

1125
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,320
afterwards.
Remember afterwards he kept

1126
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,440
trying to have debates with
people about like, yeah.

1127
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,680
And he and he wasn't, he wasn't
good at it.

1128
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,800
Yeah.
He was terrible.

1129
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,960
Yeah.
Well, just also that goes to

1130
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,000
show debating scenario for me.
I remember, I can't remember

1131
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,480
who.
I think one of these guys, one

1132
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,360
of these Internet guys, like,
why?

1133
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,320
Why am I good at it?
Because because I've done it

1134
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:02,880
1000 times.
That's all I do.

1135
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,280
If it's all you do, your idea
might.

1136
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,960
It doesn't even.
It's not about the idea.

1137
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,360
It's just your ability to
communicate in that way and

1138
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,680
organize information in a way
that's palatable.

1139
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,640
Yeah, this is noise.
It's a noise machine that I hear

1140
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,920
from the radio in his room.
Yeah.

1141
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,040
This whole time, dude.
No, no, no, I haven't like

1142
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,560
hearing, hearing.
No, no, no, I'm just.

1143
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,120
I'm just curious.
He sleeps in the noise machine.

1144
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,000
What are I was going to ask you
this whole time You heard that?

1145
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Yeah.
What are some some dad tips that

1146
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,240
you that you picked up
throughout the year?

1147
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,240
Throughout the year, dude.
Come on, dude.

1148
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,640
First year of being a dad, dude,
having a kid is the best.

1149
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:51,440
It's crazy, isn't it?
But like what you learn so much

1150
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,400
Like I know so much more about
life, about bringing, bringing

1151
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,920
up kids now, like they just
everything's fluent.

1152
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,360
Like it goes to show learning
new skills.

1153
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,120
You can still do it because you
have kids.

1154
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,960
You learn whole new skills.
And I knew like what was going

1155
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,240
to happen about with life.
I knew that like you knew life

1156
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,520
was going to change, be ignored.
No, I even knew how I just used

1157
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,720
that.
You can't possibly Yeah, yeah,

1158
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,560
it's like going for a workout.
It's like I knew I just now I'm

1159
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,760
in it.
What about you, dude?

1160
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,080
Because you have you have
multiple.

1161
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:33,600
It's been it's been crazy in the
sense that I'm experiencing my

1162
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,040
own evolution of my
responsibility and awareness and

1163
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:43,720
consciousness.
But I as who, how I see myself

1164
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,960
having caught up to the way that
I behave on a regular basis.

1165
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:53,080
That's a fantastic point that
your internal sense of self.

1166
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,280
I still look at myself as a 25
year old and I'm thirty with two

1167
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,760
kids and I don't look in the
mirror and I'm like, what is

1168
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,880
going on?
I, I don't even like to look in

1169
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,840
the mirror like it's, it's, it's
disconcerting.

1170
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,360
It really is, dude.
More wrinkles in the forehead.

1171
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,600
I I, I, I'm looking at myself
and I'm like, this dude's a 30

1172
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,040
year old.
I, I never thought that I'd get

1173
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,320
to and not even like I would die
beforehand.

1174
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,720
I just never thought that I
would live long.

1175
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:23,600
I, I thought that 30 was so
astronomically far away that

1176
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,760
like I'm never going to get
there.

1177
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:31,360
And then like here I am and I'm
still me, but I still feel like

1178
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,640
a 2425 product of I think so I
think everyone kind of stops

1179
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,360
around 20.
I think it depends on like when

1180
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:44,080
you feel your sense of self is
caught up to like yeah, but but

1181
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,400
I think that's a testament to
your living in the moment,

1182
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,840
right.
Like I always, I never had I

1183
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,080
didn't have that like 30 year
old.

1184
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,240
I didn't have that like older
epiphany.

1185
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,680
I think I was I've I've always
kind of like I've just kind of

1186
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,480
like thought life continues just
to health, wealth, happiness,

1187
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,760
like wealth, wealth in on
spiritual sense.

1188
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,880
Sure.
Well, physical too is not too

1189
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,760
bad.
Physical is not bad, but.

1190
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,480
But I never, it didn't like
affect me in that way.

1191
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,240
But I think if you're I've
noticed people who are I guess

1192
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,880
very in the moment in enjoying
in that way and I can do that,

1193
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,880
but not maybe not as easily.
Maybe it's different because

1194
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,800
it's not like that plan ahead
thing you were saying.

1195
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Yeah, I don't know if that makes
sense.

1196
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:33,280
No, it does.
I do you feel like you're a very

1197
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,680
in the moment kind of person.
I am in the moment.

1198
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,720
I you you you have a podcast.
You're you're clearly doing long

1199
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,800
term goals.
But you know what seem more at

1200
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,120
the moment than than some other
people, right?

1201
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,520
Yeah, everything's on the
spectrum, right?

1202
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,840
Yeah, I I don't have and I've
always been bad at this.

1203
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,040
I've always been terrible at
this.

1204
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,760
I don't have an idea of what I
want.

1205
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,920
Like I don't if you ask me what
an end goal for what my family

1206
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,600
looks like.
I don't know if you ask me what

1207
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,320
an end goal for what my career
looks like.

1208
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,440
I don't know if you ask me for
angle what this podcast looks

1209
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:07,760
like.
I don't know.

1210
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,200
I, I, I, I, I I I'm really I I I
had for some reason, I have a

1211
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,760
very, very difficult time.
Kidding.

1212
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,560
No, no, I looked distracted
because he was moving around a

1213
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,520
little bit.
I don't have, I don't I, I don't

1214
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,520
like if you ask me how rich do
you want to be?

1215
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,280
I don't have a dollar amount on
my mind.

1216
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,480
I'm like, I don't know, however
much money it cost to have 10

1217
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,600
kids, you know, And then I'm
like, that's however much money.

1218
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,360
It seems like enough money to
because I have 3 and I go on

1219
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,160
vacation.
Dude, it's crazy how expensive

1220
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,320
let's get like get so quickly.
And then by the way, to that

1221
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,080
point, it's almost struggling.
Like you see, it's so expensive.

1222
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,360
And I feel like we're like, I'm
sure you're the same thing where

1223
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,640
it's, it's it's you're almost
like just over the like

1224
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,640
assistance from a ray, you know,
you know, you do.

1225
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Well, anyway.
Whatever.

1226
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:03,200
Yeah.
Why?

1227
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:09,280
What do you mean?
No, I, I did notice for myself

1228
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,720
that I think that there.
And I've talked, I've talked to

1229
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,000
my, I was talking to my sister
about this.

1230
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,640
And I've talked about this in
the podcast once or twice

1231
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,840
already.
But the notion that happiness in

1232
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,880
the feeling of satisfaction,
contentness and joy with the

1233
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:30,280
life that you're living, it has
to almost be inherently

1234
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,920
separated from the amount of
money that you have.

1235
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,680
Because I think the people that
accumulate a lot of money

1236
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,840
without having a sense of
identity or purpose or direction

1237
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:45,680
don't know, look at money as a
substitute for those things.

1238
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,000
Absolutely.
And so I'd rather have this

1239
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,120
stuff.
I'd rather learn how to speak to

1240
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,000
my kid and love my kid and not
have a ton of money right now

1241
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,840
then have a ton of money and
that makes me immediately not

1242
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,240
relatable to my kid because my
kid knows nothing about shit and

1243
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,880
he's just listened to what his
old man has to say, you know?

1244
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,240
And like.
So my question is because I feel

1245
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,080
the same way.
And a lot of people I think

1246
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,160
don't not in a bad way.
I think, I think they just

1247
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,920
listen.
Human nature is to need and want

1248
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,880
resources to survive.
Totally.

1249
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,400
Like, like, can we find what I
got to read a book to my kid?

1250
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,800
Like, like, come on.
Like I'm saying, like I'm not.

1251
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,720
Yeah, I believe me.
I'm not talking down.

1252
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,880
And so I wonder what the what
the difference maker is there.

1253
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,880
What's I don't know if one's
right or wrong, or maybe we have

1254
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,320
the luxury of never having to
have worried about, you know,

1255
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,080
being homeless, right?
I don't think you and I have

1256
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,200
ever had to seriously
contemplate the idea of just

1257
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,200
because, man, never.
We're just because we're

1258
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,720
fortunate enough to have been in
the like we talked a culture, a

1259
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,320
society, a we're a part of what
is.

1260
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,480
My mind is selling my house and
movie to a cheaper community

1261
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,280
that is a place where I can get
more bang for my buck for my

1262
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,400
house.
If I can make three $400,000 in

1263
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,200
my house in the next couple in
the next 5 years North Carolina

1264
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,320
and I go to Tennessee or North
Carolina or something like that

1265
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:17,000
and I can buy a house where I
right now my I just put up a bug

1266
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:22,040
bed in my in shoes room.
So let's say if it 2-3 kids in

1267
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,200
that room, I don't want to, I
don't.

1268
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,920
And, you know, it might be fun
for a couple of years.

1269
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,840
You don't want three teenagers
living in, in a, in a, in a, in

1270
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,320
a, you know, one bedroom.
And it could be done.

1271
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,320
It could be done.
It really could be done.

1272
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,920
But I don't know if I want to
like the question becomes for

1273
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,000
what?
And the question becomes why?

1274
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,200
And if the answer is because
we've been living here until

1275
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,040
now.
So that's why that's a stupid

1276
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:44,560
thing.
I don't answer.

1277
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:45,920
That's a good enough reason for
sure.

1278
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,560
Not, I think if you have a
particular affinity to our

1279
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,680
community or if you have family.
But if you, if neither of those

1280
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,880
things, you know, beat out that,
but but my point before was just

1281
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:06,160
more the ability to, to
prioritize joy and the moment

1282
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,080
because it once it's gone, it's
gone, right?

1283
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,600
Like that whole thing about
this, think about how many

1284
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:14,280
people you know, make enough
money to afford to, let's say

1285
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,360
they're making throw out a #200
plus $1000 a year.

1286
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,840
The amount of the amount of time
that you have to work to make

1287
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,640
the type of job, the amount of
time you have to work to make

1288
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:28,240
upwards of $200,000 a year.
And that part of the $200,000

1289
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,200
generally includes help or a
nanny or you know, cleaning lady

1290
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,080
or something like that.
And now you say, how much money

1291
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,640
would you give up to watch your,
your two year old son take his

1292
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,200
first steps to be there in their
lives, to be there in their

1293
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,920
lives and then say, you know
what, how much money?

1294
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,480
How much would you rather wash
dishes and work from home for

1295
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,480
being an office for 15 hours a
day?

1296
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,720
So let's say you make $120,000
as opposed to $250,000.

1297
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,000
But you're not paying for a name
and.

1298
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,160
You're not having a cleaning
that come and instead you're

1299
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,560
actually taking the time to
spend time with your kids and

1300
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,600
watch them grow up.
And you know what?

1301
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,680
If you have to do more work
around your house and if your

1302
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,240
toilet breaks, you go to Home
Depot and you buy a $2.00 pedal

1303
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,360
replacement instead of paying a
plumber $75.00 to come to the

1304
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,040
house and fix it for the same
cost.

1305
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,120
And you say, you know what, I'm
going to look for ways.

1306
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,800
Instead of eating out, we'll
make pizza, we'll make date

1307
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,200
nights.
We'll do particular things.

1308
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,200
But at least I'll get to
participate in the development

1309
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,800
and growth of my family and
experience what my kids are

1310
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,880
like, how they're growing up and
how they're participating in the

1311
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,600
world and, and what lessons are
shaping them and what values are

1312
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,680
shaping them.
And you're gone for the whole

1313
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,280
thing.
You're in an office to make 253

1314
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,920
hundred fifty, $500,000 a year.
And you know what someone else

1315
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,800
is raising their kids.
Guess what?

1316
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,920
Take my take that stupid money,
man, take the money, take the

1317
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,760
job.
This is my family.

1318
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,120
This is the future of the world.
This is my genes.

1319
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,400
I I have to make sure that
they're doing the right things.

1320
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,920
It's, it's not only, it's, it's
so true.

1321
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,880
It's very hard, I think for a
lot of people.

1322
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,960
I remember reading an article
about his CEO who did that.

1323
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,480
He was at the top of his, again,
one of these artists, he was at

1324
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,800
the top of his game.
And his daughter, his nine year

1325
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,920
old daughter said to him.
And I remember at the time I

1326
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,120
like understood it.
But now I it's like, yeah, so

1327
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:26,920
much more emotionally relatable
that it was to a, to a, to a 15

1328
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,800
year old totally, by the way.
And you think you get it as a 15

1329
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,800
year old, you think you get it.
And he's and he, he was like

1330
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,760
worth a bunch.
Obviously he's the CEO.

1331
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,880
So I have a major company and he
so he leaves his job to be there

1332
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,320
with his daughter and like the
comments section was like, well,

1333
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,840
good for him.
And it's like now you sit there

1334
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,880
and you think like this was this
guy's whole framework.

1335
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,480
His framework was my his.
I'm sure his value was

1336
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,680
associated with wealth because
he had enough money, right?

1337
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,640
You're talking about this guy
could, could have bought

1338
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,440
probably 3 yachts and not shed a
tear and retired, right?

1339
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:07,400
But his whole framework was that
and then, you know, his daughter

1340
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,960
says to him, I guess something
obviously something enough that

1341
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:18,120
he released, he stops and and
and that's an even more dramatic

1342
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,720
version of what you're saying.
And it's so, it's so and because

1343
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,160
you know what, in a certain
sense, it's really harder In a

1344
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:31,319
certain sense, dude, kids and
kids are so unpredictable and

1345
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:34,560
they're not rational.
So they keep you on your toes as

1346
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,479
to how you have to be able to
respond to the most irrational

1347
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,160
requests and behaviors that you
can think of.

1348
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:49,000
There's no, there's no linear
behavior pattern necessarily

1349
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,479
with kids.
And anyone that thinks to have

1350
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,960
it worked out, we always, you
know, we find out that there's

1351
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,120
more and more that we're always
learning.

1352
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,080
So you know what, even if we get
a general, you know, I think a

1353
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,840
lot of people, a lot of guys
don't know what to do.

1354
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,800
They wouldn't know what to do if
it was 6:00 at night and they

1355
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,760
had three kids crying and all
that had to take baths and then

1356
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,279
your wife's trying to make
dinner and then you're thrown in

1357
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:14,200
there and it's your job to make
everything calm.

1358
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,560
Now guys are like, dude, get me
to the office.

1359
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,200
Absolutely.
Get me to my desk, get my boss

1360
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,319
screaming at me right now
because.

1361
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,880
And I did listen, my father, I
was, but I was fortunate.

1362
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,279
And I said before my father, he
said I think he was a very

1363
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,359
balanced individual, but he
happened to have a niche enough

1364
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,319
where he can be an
entrepreneurial individual and

1365
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,359
be their first kids.
And he was at every single one

1366
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:47,600
of my football games he was at.
I mean, he was at, he was I, I

1367
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,000
can't, it was only until I was
an adult.

1368
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,720
Yeah.
I mean, I was well into

1369
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:58,480
adulthood before he decided to,
to, to do like the I'll go away

1370
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,920
and I'll see, you know, the, the
business trip.

1371
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,120
I mean, he would do trips, but
here's the crazy part.

1372
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,600
But the trips he used to do when
we were kids, he would bring

1373
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,760
every one of the each kid would
go on a trip by himself with,

1374
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,760
with my dad.
That's so great.

1375
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,120
So I remember the handful of
times I went on a trip special

1376
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,840
with my so listen, was he
threading a needle?

1377
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,720
I don't think that opportunity
exists for everyone.

1378
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,120
Do I think that there's a way
for me to attain that?

1379
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,280
I would hope.
And that's that's what I'm

1380
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,040
working towards.
I don't I don't think I'm

1381
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:33,280
working towards working to to
you know, to your to your point.

1382
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,640
Yeah.
But almost it's best of both

1383
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,240
worlds.
But you have that beautiful

1384
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,000
opportunity where you.
I go for my my 11:00 in the

1385
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,520
afternoon jog and I see you on
your walk when you're getting

1386
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,320
it.
Never from home.

1387
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,200
Yeah, exactly.
But you get to be there to watch

1388
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:55,880
your kid grow up.
And I, I, I, I just, you know,

1389
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,240
the same way that I think the
world would be a better place if

1390
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,680
more people looked at themselves
like teachers and the people

1391
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,080
around them like students.
I think the world would be a

1392
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:10,680
much better place if people
looked at family not as like a

1393
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:15,800
dead weight that holds you back,
but an opportunity to really

1394
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,360
truly extend.
And, you know, it's also fun and

1395
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,640
we could wrap up soon.
Don't work it out.

1396
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:22,840
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.

1397
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,000
I was leaving my phone to see if
my wife.

1398
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,520
I was talking to, you know, I
was talking about students

1399
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,240
because again, in Dead Poets
Society, you know, the the the

1400
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,440
main character, his dad is not
wealthy relative to other kids

1401
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:37,600
in the school.
And he says, he keeps on saying

1402
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,200
that the movie.
And you don't really know what

1403
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,400
he's referring to, but you
understand that he sacrificed a

1404
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,560
lot to have his kid attend this
top tier private school.

1405
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:52,240
And, and you, it's very clear
that the kid is the father is

1406
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,840
expecting his son to fulfill his
dreams.

1407
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,200
And I, there was a life that I
wanted to live that I couldn't

1408
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,560
live.
And you are going to live it for

1409
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:08,560
me, whether you like it or not.
And that mentality exists with

1410
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,640
teachers.
That mentality exists with

1411
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,280
parents and, and, and and and
it's by the way, it's totally

1412
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,800
natural.
I mean, these are these are

1413
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,520
genes, these are these, these
are kids.

1414
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,320
If you're not working for the
best life that you could

1415
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,240
possibly provide them, what are
you working for?

1416
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,240
On the other hand, you're not
putting, you're not giving them

1417
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,040
any input into anything that
they do.

1418
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,080
You know, you're not letting
them be them or you're not.

1419
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,640
I think that's the whole thing.
You're trying to be like, I'm

1420
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,760
going to be a frame 2.0.
This kids going to be me without

1421
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,200
all the bugs.
Yeah, You know, we take take all

1422
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,560
the bugs out and it's it's a
terrible way to raise a kid.

1423
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:46,960
I don't know if there's a right
way.

1424
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,880
And we're going to all be
raising kids with AI in the

1425
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,520
world.
It's it's going to be AI.

1426
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,040
Think it's dude, I'm not, I'm
not going to give my kid a

1427
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,960
smartphone for a long time.
But then then you have the

1428
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,200
challenge of trying to, I mean,
then your kids going to be the

1429
01:12:59,200 --> 01:12:59,800
Amish kid.
Yeah.

1430
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,200
He's going to be the kid that,
yeah, doesn't know how to enter

1431
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:03,960
into the world.
No.

1432
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,600
What are you supposed to do?
I think that I think that that's

1433
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,520
the value of community.
I think that that's I think that

1434
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,480
there's a real value.
I think that there's going to be

1435
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:15,080
in the world that we're in, in
the community that we're in,

1436
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,560
that there's going to be enough
people that interact on a

1437
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,080
regular basis without that, you
know, that have similar values

1438
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,040
that there's going to be this
kind of isolated pocket of

1439
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,480
community that even if the kid
might be one of the few in his

1440
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:33,160
class, hypothetically that is
not have a phone, even though I

1441
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,120
plan to probably send him
tomorrow to school anyway.

1442
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,480
But even if not the people that
that his his friends and the and

1443
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:43,920
the world that he grows up in is
not going to revolve around

1444
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,160
that.
And I also hope to really be

1445
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,280
transparent.
I think that there's, I think

1446
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,960
that there's, I think that one
thing that my parents didn't do

1447
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,720
as much, which I really could
have probably benefited from,

1448
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,920
even though I understand.
And as I got older, because as,

1449
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,760
as you know, as things happen,
you're like, I'm not a glad I'm

1450
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,000
not having this conversation
with my parents, like figuring

1451
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,480
out like what this is.
You know, on the other hand, I

1452
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:10,320
really would have liked like
some kind of heads up as to like

1453
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:11,960
what's going on.
And they didn't even know what

1454
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,720
was going on.
You know, I mean, when I was 14,

1455
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,120
I had to go to my mom and tell
her to put a block on my phone.

1456
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,680
Like she didn't think to do that
by herself.

1457
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,600
She had no idea what I was able
to access my phone.

1458
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:26,120
And and like, I had and I had
such a strong sense of Jewish

1459
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,560
guilt that, you know, I
couldn't, I couldn't, I

1460
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,480
couldn't, you know, whatever
with that, with that without

1461
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:33,880
feeling bad about it.
Yeah, Yeah.

1462
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,520
I seriously did, you know, but
but that, but that is that

1463
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,560
Catholic.
But that that's right.

1464
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,440
But that, But I I also think
that that shows what instilling

1465
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:45,080
values.
Like my mom didn't know that

1466
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,760
porn was accessible for a 14
year old on a smartphone to like

1467
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,120
go in a private browser and go
to Google or download an app

1468
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,960
because the private browser was
blocked or whatever.

1469
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,880
And like she didn't know that,
but she instilled me with enough

1470
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,040
values to say, even when I'm,
even when I figure out a way to

1471
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,800
do it, it doesn't, it doesn't
sit right with me.

1472
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,400
It's not the thing I want to be
doing with myself, but with my

1473
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,560
time.
So if that, that comes back to,

1474
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,760
to, I think the the point about
creating a moral framework where

1475
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,680
if there are pockets of if, if
for some reason you find

1476
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,400
yourself with an excessive
amount of individuality and

1477
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,160
you're sitting there thinking,
you know, I have all this

1478
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:28,880
freedom, but I'm just scrolling
through an app that's meant to

1479
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,960
tap into the lizard part of my
brain and drain me of my

1480
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,280
dopamine because I'm just
searching, searching, searching.

1481
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,760
And then I'm at the end of an
hour and I'm like, if you're

1482
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,720
sitting there and doing that and
you're, you're fortunate to have

1483
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,720
people who I guess did the hard
work and said, Hey, listen,

1484
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,880
here's a framework that when you
came in contact with that

1485
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,280
obstacle, you're able to say,
hey, listen, this isn't good for

1486
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,480
me.
This is too, too much access to

1487
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,360
to an external pleasure that
yeah.

1488
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,480
So you think that having you and
that having that you guys

1489
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,000
generally being around for your
kid will be more likely to

1490
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,920
reinforce that very healthy
absolute moral compass.

1491
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,640
It's why I don't.
It's why I'm not thankless,

1492
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,600
hopefully, right.
I'm, I'm, I'm able to, I, you

1493
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,560
know, my work doesn't take me so
far away from, from being able

1494
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,800
to raise my kids actively.
But for sure, Debbie, hopefully,

1495
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,000
of course, the I absolutely
think that one of the reasons is

1496
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,480
like everyone's like which
school to send kids to.

1497
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:36,280
And I think the school matters.
And this may be because the way

1498
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,520
I was raised, so I was
homeschooled.

1499
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,640
So it may be that that I feel
this on a different level than

1500
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:49,120
other people, but my interaction
with Judaism, my interaction

1501
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,720
with society, I mean, all of
those things were from the the

1502
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,520
home.
And it wasn't, it wasn't like,

1503
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:58,320
because there's two ways to do
it.

1504
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,120
There's the fear of the outside
world, which is absolutely the

1505
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,520
case.
Most homeschoolers from back in

1506
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,880
the early 2000s.
Today it's different because of

1507
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,120
social media, but back in the
early 2000s, if you were

1508
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,480
homeschooled, a lot of those
parents were were Christian or

1509
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,920
evangelical, like very ultra
like we don't believe in the

1510
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,800
public school system.
The devil's work.

1511
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,120
Is that what it was?
Absolutely.

1512
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,760
All of those kids were not all
of them, but a lot of a lot of

1513
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,920
those kids were, were just very,
you can see very bogged down

1514
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,360
with the with with the, with the
narrative they were given.

1515
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,360
I was given a very creative
narrative and a very yeah.

1516
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,640
And it reflects the way and it
reflects the way that you feel.

1517
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,040
I thought, I thought of my life
like Little House in the

1518
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,320
Prairie.
It was, I really, I really

1519
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,440
enjoyed my upbringing
tremendously.

1520
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,640
And it gave me a framework.
And so I, I do think at home you

1521
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,920
can, you can communicate a
framework so that if the, if a

1522
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,040
kid is in school or interacting
with society and they're like,

1523
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,600
well, listen, this doesn't sit
with me the way I want it to.

1524
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,280
You can be the, the, you, you
know what I mean?

1525
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,040
Like you have more, you have
more control over what happens

1526
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,560
to your kid that I think people
may realize.

1527
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:18,000
And, and the less of a stranger
you are to your kid, the more

1528
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,640
your kid, the more your kid can
communicate with you.

1529
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,640
And the biggest problem that
happens with so many people is

1530
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,840
that they feel like their
parents can not and will not or

1531
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,960
do not hear them.
You know, whether it's

1532
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:35,840
intentional or not, they, my dad
does not hear the words that are

1533
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,400
coming out of my mouth.
He he hears the words.

1534
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,720
He does not put them together
and process them.

1535
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,680
He doesn't get me.
You know what?

1536
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,080
I'll talk to someone else and
that's on him.

1537
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,400
Yeah.
You have someone.

1538
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:48,840
You have to.
I'm curious that you have

1539
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,800
someone else coming up.
Not that he wasn't there for

1540
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:58,040
you, but my dad was always was
always a little bit more aloof

1541
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,160
emotionally, but always very
dependable.

1542
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,040
And almost every other.
I'm not saying you're dead,

1543
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,280
that's my point.
I'm not trying to say that my

1544
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:10,360
mom was excellent emotionally.
And so I always had a

1545
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,640
combination of fallout, like
fallout, like there are times

1546
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,080
where my mom would be far too
rational.

1547
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,720
I'm in your house, dude.
Oh man.

1548
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,200
Yeah, in case that the park got
cut off.

1549
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,320
But either way, my dad was more
supportive in most of the ways

1550
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,120
other than emotional depth.
And like he would always support

1551
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,320
you, he'd always come with it,
come to you for things he would

1552
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,680
always like.
He would participate with you.

1553
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,760
He's very participatory, but my
mom was real.

1554
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,000
Like you talked to her about
dating, you talked to her about

1555
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,480
feeling like your teacher hated
you and you felt like you were

1556
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,160
an idiot at school and like, and
like you could talk to her about

1557
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,600
the more real insecure aspects
of life that.

1558
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,200
And sure, by the way, it's I
think it's good that each parent

1559
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,440
kind of takes on different
responsibility that you can look

1560
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:13,440
at one for one thing and the
other for the other thing.

1561
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,520
And everyone kind of has their
roles.

1562
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,920
Absolutely.
I think that's a great thing.

1563
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:24,120
But there was just.
And again, and to keep going

1564
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,120
back to this movie, I guess
could stop my mind so strongly.

1565
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,800
But the Deadpool Society where
the entire time the main

1566
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,320
character can't look at his dad.
Like he could talk to him and he

1567
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,720
could talk to Robin Williams and
he could talk to a teacher that

1568
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,240
makes his.
And you could see that the dad

1569
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,680
has his own pain and the dad has
his own problem.

1570
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,880
And there's just like this,
this, this terrible cycle of, of

1571
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,480
aloofness and not relatability
from father to son, where the

1572
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:52,400
relatability is so necessary
because a kid is looking how to

1573
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,720
navigate the adult world from
the only role model that he

1574
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,880
knows, which is his dad.
And like, it's so it's so sad

1575
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,520
when when that's not the case.
And not to say you can't get out

1576
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:05,240
of it.
Not to say you.

1577
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,480
Can't make a life.
But you know what it does

1578
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:09,200
fucking suck.
It does sucks.

1579
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,440
It's harder and it doesn't feel
as good.

1580
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:15,960
It's not as colorful.
And I'll I'll say the the like I

1581
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,640
I think I handled things.
It was more of an internal

1582
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:25,720
dialogue, but my twin brother
who was who is to this day the

1583
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:30,600
if not one, you know, obviously
if my spouse anything, but I'm

1584
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,840
very, very close with my father,
my parents, my I mean my family.

1585
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,640
It's even even if you don't
utilize it, having that

1586
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:43,160
connection with people that
they're always there if you need

1587
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,080
to is also it works.
And to know that you could do it

1588
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:51,080
under the hood that that you,
because that's what it expands

1589
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,680
your world from an internal
dialogue to the option of of

1590
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,200
this kind of like vibrating
universe around you, right?

1591
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,320
If you sit there and you have an
issue, you may, you may deal

1592
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,440
with it on your own, but the
just kind of knowing

1593
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:09,520
subconsciously that if you
couldn't handle that issue,

1594
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,680
which we all, sometimes it's
just too much and you have to

1595
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:17,200
kind of like search outside your
own head that there's all these

1596
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:22,560
different paths to handle that.
And to think there's so we don't

1597
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:23,600
have to, we don't have to go
down this.

1598
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:24,640
That's all.
That's all I don't want.

1599
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:25,720
Fair enough.
We don't have to go down this

1600
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,840
hall if you don't want it.
But what do you think is the, do

1601
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,520
you think there's a value, but
you don't think it's there's

1602
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:36,040
value to loneliness And like the
feeling of like, I would say

1603
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,600
value.
So like value.

1604
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,280
I think like I happened to have
a couple of stretchy years of my

1605
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,720
life where I really felt like
there was no one that could

1606
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,320
relate to me in my hand.
You, you, me.

1607
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,760
They couldn't relate to me, to
my to, to, to what spoke to me,

1608
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,720
to what I was looking forward to
what I found meaningful.

1609
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:01,200
And it was profoundly lonely,
but it also helped me build and

1610
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,640
recognize my own identity.
So, so I'm not saying just you,

1611
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,520
you, you kind of said the
answer, I think, and that I was

1612
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:16,520
going to say this anyway, which
is, I think if the loneliness it

1613
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:23,240
produces a, a kind of lets you
develop your internal monologue.

1614
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:29,480
I think then you're sitting
there developing your internal

1615
01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:32,120
monologue, which I relate to.
I, I have an internal monologue.

1616
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,360
I think a lot of people have it
and it's, it's a, it's a, it's a

1617
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,640
rich sense of self.
I think you use God.

1618
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,240
I think, I think there's a lot
of ways.

1619
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,560
I think it plugs into God a
little bit.

1620
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:50,200
I think if it go if it's not
that I just I don't think I'm

1621
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:55,160
I'm yeah, not only destructive,
but it's it's so antithetical to

1622
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,200
the human condition and it to
the point where it's a great

1623
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,720
point where the it's used as
punishment, the crazy isolation.

1624
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,800
So, so, so it's it's so funny
because it's so incredible at a

1625
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:10,800
certain point.
Yeah.

1626
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,160
And then and then it like that,
it could you're sitting there

1627
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,840
like, fuck, it's just me.
And that's where and then you're

1628
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,640
then then a lot of people get,
or you could be one of the quote

1629
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,400
UN quote lonely people.
That's one of the powerful

1630
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,520
people, you know, and you feel
like you don't play the same

1631
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,160
game as everyone else.
Yeah.

1632
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,920
You're like a different level of
man and only at the top or

1633
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,600
whatever that is.
Yeah.

1634
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,760
And listen, you might get stuff
done.

1635
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,000
I'm not saying, not saying there
aren't leaders that not go by

1636
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,880
themselves at the top.
I guess what are you measuring?

1637
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,480
If you're measuring it at
quality of life and overall

1638
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,520
health, it's a, you know what
that is?

1639
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,680
That's like saying cigarettes.
You know what?

1640
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:53,280
That's a great example.
It loves cigarettes because

1641
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,760
cigarettes are very helpful with
short term memory, right?

1642
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:04,800
They improve short term memory.
They improve short term anxiety.

1643
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,600
It's a short term.
So there are medicinal

1644
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:12,320
applications to cigarettes.
They're also incredibly

1645
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,480
addictive.
And so so you know, you want to

1646
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:20,920
say, listen, there's leaders at
the top that were finance Bros

1647
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,360
and they got to the top and
they're and they're, they're

1648
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:26,760
improving life because someone's
got to be the ruthless

1649
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,360
sociopathic leader.
OK.

1650
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,800
But I think it's a much like a
cigarette, you know, there's

1651
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,880
benefits to everything.
Anyway, what do you think of?

1652
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,640
Do you ever listen to Modern
Wisdom, the podcast with Chris

1653
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,880
Williamson?
No, dude, I'm gonna send you one

1654
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:48,720
of his episodes.
This dude is like every

1655
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,800
corporate frat bro catchword put
into a podcast.

1656
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,160
Did you ever see this?
He feels like a dude that went

1657
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,440
to like that was like a Delta
Chi or like some crazy frat when

1658
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:03,200
he was in college.
And then they got a job and like

1659
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,640
human resources and learned all
the corporate doublespeak.

1660
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,200
And then just like the worst mix
of everything.

1661
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:11,080
And it's funny because he's
incredible guest.

1662
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,200
He's just humor, humor in on for
three hours.

1663
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,880
Yet the other day, Oh, he's
dialed in, dude.

1664
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,960
He's dialed.
He's got he's got I think 4

1665
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,760
million subscribers on YouTube.
He's a big deal, but he he

1666
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:27,640
judged.
It drives me nuts, like every

1667
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,080
other word he speaks like the
dynamic between the flow and the

1668
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,520
arrangements of the composition.
And I'm like, you just sound

1669
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,280
like a douchebag, dude.
Like, like, what are you saying?

1670
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,800
Just use the word dude.
Just talk to me.

1671
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,600
Just really I don't understand.
What's going on?

1672
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,680
That's all you got to say.
Yeah, man.

1673
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,600
All right, dude.
Hey, you ready to catch?

1674
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,160
You ready to wrap up?
Think that was fun?

1675
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:54,720
That was fun.
I'm going to give some real time

1676
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,600
feedback for the audience to
listen to your thoughts on the

1677
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,040
conversation.
Real time feedback.

1678
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,480
Real time feedback.
Tell me, what am I supposed to

1679
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:03,640
do?
How do you feel about the last

1680
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,040
hour and a half of our
conversation?

1681
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:09,440
Oh, I, I feel it was, it was
good.

1682
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,800
And you're listening at this
point and obviously you thought

1683
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,000
so too.
That's a win.

1684
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,920
All right, dude, thanks for
doing this catch on the flip.