#138: Minnesota, 1st & 2nd Amendments / Create Your Own Algorithm/ Corporate Airbnbs

0:01 Welcome to another episode of Come Together. We are live. This is another solo episode. I am going to do my best to keep this a quality. We'll see how it goes. So I'm just adjusting my screen. I'm not comfortable in front of the camera yet. I have so many thoughts. It's been a little while since I've done a solo episode and it's really been a while since I've done a coherent, I feel like solo episode where I feel like I actually have something to talk about or some thoughts to get out there. So here we go.

0:43 It's been a lot of fun. One, I literally have just been thinking I was just sitting by myself in the in by my by my desk, catching up. I took a week off last week with my family to go to Orlando, still did a couple of recordings and released a podcast episode with William Mann, who is a awesome historian of Hollywood and college professor and New York Times bestselling writer. He's the man. We did a really, really cool episode talking about Marlon Brando, old School Hollywood. His new book that's actually available is it today is today the 27th tomorrow, tomorrow the 27th. So if you're listening today, you can check out the book tomorrow.

1:23 It is called because I don't want to butcher it. Let's see. I'm sorry. Here we go. His new book is called Black Dahlia Murder, Monsters in madness in Midwest Hollywood in mid century Hollywood, and it's and William Mann ventured into the world of unsolved true crime, Hollywood murders, not necessarily just to kind of jump into the into the into the bandwagon of true crime, but he really observes it in the context of its impact on society.

2:04 So for example, I know that, and this is some really interesting stats that you could look up relative to, for example, the the Charles Manson infamous murder was the fact how many people bought guns after that in Hollywood or how many people bought enhanced door locks or security in Hollywood after the Manson murders. And it's really, really interesting because it these these events do have societal ripples and impacts. And I mean, obviously we see it right now how we see with a lot that's going on in the world today. And the events are the events and we might not ever know the real story behind them.

2:46 This, you know, I mean, you have 10 different accounts, 10 witnesses, you have 10 different accounts of what's going on. And you also have unfortunately, interpretation, which is, which is when people, when people witness something and because, you know, we're only experiencing, I would say we, we're, we're getting a particular type of input we're getting, we're viewing something and our brain is making sense of it in the context of what we already know. So when we've witnessed events like things that obviously most hot topic these days are going on in Minnesota, when we witnessed these events, three people, five people, 1000 people could look at the pictures and the videos that are going on that are making the way through online and through corporate or formal media. And we all interpret it in the context of the way of the picture that's already in our mind of what we presume is the case.

3:46 And then there are the ripples that actually flow out of into society about what happens as a consequence of it. And you know, we obviously know, for example, that some of the most consequential, you know, you have small scale events. Like I said, Charlie Manson was horrifying, but relatively small scale relative to something like 911. And the scale obviously impacts the scale of the ripple effect in the reaction. So I think that William Mann did a really, really amazing job expressing his points. It's worth checking out his episode. It's worth checking out his writing, his books. He's written on a bunch of different really cool Hollywood characters and families and even political families like the Roosevelts. And I think it was the Roosevelts I'm going to get, I'm going to feel bad if I got that wrong. Yeah, the Roosevelt, I was right, and it's worth checking it out.

4:40 I was trying to think about what to talk about and I didn't want to kind of, I didn't want to dwell too much on the Minnesota situation. I kind of have to talk. I feel like I have to talk about it because A, it's relevant and B, it does have real life, again, implications and consequences. And it's really, really interesting just to sit on the side and observe the voices and the reactions that's going on. And I'm not, What's funny is I'm not really tuned into what the most prominent voices are saying because I don't really listen to the most prominent voices.

5:25 I just they're not, I'm not in that. They're not in my algorithm. I'm not exposed to their information on my feed. But this is kind of funny. I mean, not nothing about the nothing about the conflict in particular is funny. But what's funny is how just a couple of years ago the right was complaining about freedom of speech and right to bear arms. And now the left has been making that very, very same argument. And the right is, or at least not all the right, but at least the government representation of the right has been pretty dramatically pushing back, almost in the same sense that you're really seeing the pendulum swinging. It's so funny because people would say a couple of years ago, yeah, well, in the 60s, you know, I really had more in common with the liberal if someone was Republican, rather if someone was to the right and they say, yeah, in the 60s or 70s, I really probably would have had much more in common with the modern Democrats, with Democrats then then modern Democrats.

6:28 And, you know, it's really, really, it just shows how extreme everyone's become because we're pro free speech and we do want limited war. We don't want a lot of war. And we do want to control enormous organizations, whether it's corporations or government. And you're like, wow, that sounds, you know, really similar. But but then you have like literally just in a span of like a year and a half, like you have, you have people complaining about the fact that one of Biden's the first thing Biden did when he got into office was go to the social media companies and start to and start to silence people that would, for example, push back on COVID, on the COVID vaccine or on January 6th or really on any kind of political issue that became a matter of politics and policy.

7:17 And it takes a year. That's all it took. Took a year and a half for everyone that was just screaming on the right to that we need free speech and the right to bear arms. And then you have Cash Patel walking around now. I saw a video of him saying, well, you can't walk around with a gun and come to a protest. Imagine three years ago, imagine 2020, imagine if someone that was on the right went to a Black Lives Matter riot or not riot, I apologize. Let's say protest. Let's say it is now a protest. It is peaceful. I've actually seen a bunch of actually when I was, I was living in Seattle in 2020 and listen, it was fascinating to experience all the protests and Chaz and you know, all the I didn't really see, I never personally saw any violence.

8:08 I never heard any. I never experienced any violence. I never heard anyone escalating anything beyond. So you know, social justice chance, which everyone's entitled to do. But just imagine for a minute that you have a story of a Black Lives Matter protest and there's someone in the crowd that is protest protesting, you know, anti protesting. And he's standing on the other side and he has a weapon in his pocket. He doesn't take it out, he doesn't use it. He just has a weapon and he's legally loud. He is a carrying permit or whatever it is. And, and for whatever reason, someone, you know, he gets, he gets detained or shot or hurt or killed because he had a weapon, the right would flip out.

8:53 We have, you know, we, we have, we need rights. We had it's a Second Amendment we have to overthrow. If you're able to overthrow a government that's going to become a dictatorship or, or communist or fascist or, you know, filling the filling the hot topic word that anyone is throwing out. But it really just took a year and a half for all the tables to just flip. And it's incredible how quickly it went. And it's incredible how quickly people, when you point out the inconsistency to them, as I've tried to do with some people that I know where the answer becomes, yeah, but. And that, yeah, but is the exact same answer and the exact same perspective that the left had for the woke years and for 20/20/2024. And it we, it's not great.

9:42 It's not a great look and it's not a great look because I think that people today are more done with partisan politics than ever. And I think that people today are really seeing that they're seeing everyone's inconsistencies. I, I, I saw actually today on, on on X and I had a whole response ran out that I didn't write yet because I think I might just send it personally to try to reach out personally. I saw that Ro Kahana, who's a California governor that's been working with, I think he's a governor working with Thomas Massie and he's, and I heard him on Sean Ryan show. I heard him on Theo Von.

10:26 And I have to say I was overall extremely, extremely impressed with a couple of things about him. Obviously he's very eloquent. Obviously he's a politician. He's supposed to be eloquent. One thing that he did say, and it's so upsetting because it's hard to believe, especially after all the excitement that I had a year and a half ago with, with all the, with the, with the huge MAGA wave with Trump and Elon and RFK and Tulsi and you know, and all the people that everyone is really excited about people haven't heard from them in a long time. You know, Elon, Elon's fallout with Musk, which I'm sorry, Elon's fallout with Trump, which looks like it's kind of being rectified a little bit.

11:07 RFKI heard the best call. I think it was Tim Dylan was so funny. He's the least controversial member of the cabinet at this point, which, you know, go figure. You know, everyone was pushing back the hardest against him and and he just kind of quietly minding his own business and occasionally confessing to extremely bizarre things on social media. And yeah. And then and Tulsi, I mean, no one really heard from her. And the truth was that that she was supposed to be the representation of the anti imperial America, the the empire perspective. And it looks like she kind of got shunned aside a little bit. But so I think that a lot of people include my myself included, we're really, really hopeful.

11:49 And now we're not. And then and, and so Rocahana said something really interesting, which kind of piqued my interest, even though I'm skeptical just because and you know, I, I, I know that this is potentially A fallacy, but I think that it's also, I, I think that enough history has proven that it could be an issue is a, the guys from California, which, you know, which is the governor of California, which makes me think that he and I know that he has a much more grounded story that he failed, I think, two or three times to get elected. And I think, I think on his third or fourth try he got, he got, he, he was successful, but I don't know, seems just a little too. He's really smart.

12:36 He's saying really, really smart things. He's talking about, for example, Epstein, which is a uni party issue. And he's talking about ICE and immigration, which people on the right and the left are really not very happy about. And again, you know, the question isn't whether or not there should be immigration enforce. The question isn't whether or not ICE should be active. The question just is to what degree the behaviour is what to what degree is the behaviour justified, acceptable? And it's really, really hard. And I've heard, I've heard both cases that, you know, for example, cops have to wear badge identification badges and ICE agents don't. So if I mean really there's no way to identify if a cop's misbehaving, you could get their badge number, you could get their name and look them up.

13:30 If an ICE agent who is wearing a mask and has no recognizable signs for you to be able to report any kind of abuse of behavior. If the ICE agent doesn't have any of that, it becomes a lot more difficult to kind of control and hold them accountable for potentially bad behaviour or even behaviour that is justified. But that you might want to take some some look into the context of the, of the person and the story and the character in the history. And it's really, really, it's really, really hard to do. So anyway, so Rocahana was talking about how the elite just seemed to be getting away with everything. And this, that's the problem with this, with this administration.

14:12 And I wanted to comment. And I want, and again, I'm going to, I'm going to reach out. And obviously, I mean, overwhelming odds are that it's not going to get anywhere. I'll attach a couple of the episodes that feature the relatively prominent and recognizable names of people that I've spoken with to try to add some credentials to who I am. But I want to reach out and say, hey, if this is really uni party issue like Epstein is where everyone on almost everyone on the Senate floor and everyone in Congress was going to be able to was happy to pass along this this bill to force that force the files and information out. I think that I think that the elite behavior is a uni party issue. And by you phrasing it unfortunately as the problem with this administration is that we take advantage from an executive level.

15:00 Well, guess what, pal? Unfortunately, you kind of lost playing that card if you didn't if you didn't fight back against a lot of what went on in 2020 to 2024 or again, you know, 20/16/2020. I think we just came. We, you know, since 9:11, I mean, since 9:11, we've really become very, very authoritarian, a more authoritarian, a lot more government control over the people, a lot less freedom. And that actually is going to lead me to my next point, which I was so excited. This actually got me talking. This got me excited to record. And I'm 15 minutes in. I didn't get started yet, I'm sorry. But the point that one of the points that I really was thinking about was, OK, so there's awesome, awesome, awesome scientist named Eric Weinstein.

15:49 And he one of the things, and I've talked about him before. I'm a huge, huge fan of his. Every time I hear him or every time I see that he's done some kind of podcast or conversation, I try, I try and listen and participate to the best that I can. He's really, really smart and I can't keep up with everything he says all the time. But one thing that he did say that was really interesting to me was that human beings also essentially kind of work like LLMS, like large language models. And I'm shifting gears right now from politics more to technology and more to the way that we get our information and more to the ever present issue of the algorithm.

16:34 And I put these kind of thoughts together as I was trying to think about what to talk about. Human beings work very, very much like LLMS. And I'll explain, for example, in a way that hopefully makes sense. We, our brains are lazy. Our brains want to be efficient, efficient and effective, and our brains also want to use the least amount of effort or energy in order to be able to accomplish a mission or a task. We just, we've evolved to try to be efficient. Sometimes we cut too many shortcuts. So for example, and this is a very, very common experience that I have, it's my life.

17:19 I work with my father and we're very close. We speak on the phone 10/15/20 times a day for a couple minutes at a time just dealing with whatever work issue we're dealing with or talking about life or sales or the business or family or whatever. And a lot of times we'll, if we have a disagreement, which we often do, and I've been trying to work on this and sometimes I can't help it and sometimes I'm better about it. But if we have an, an issue or a disagreement and I think I know he's going to say he's going to start by making a point and I cut him off midpoint. I'm like, yeah, but and then he goes, you didn't even hear what I finished saying. And my brain, my LLM Green finished his thought for him in a similar way to and it's funny because it's just a matter of degrees of how much better it's getting right. If you if you remember a couple of years ago when Apple was first rolling out or iMessage was first rolling out there, I guess dipping the toe in the water of LLMS large language models.

18:18 And one of the things that one of the ways that LLMS work is by predicting what the next, what the best potential choice of the next word or feature is going to be. So for example, if I was sending a text sounds the answer that you know, the recommended word choice, the potential words to follow the to the net potential word to follow the word sounds would most likely be good like sounds good with a thumbs up or be sounds awful or sounds interesting, right? And so the LLM would predict would give you 3 predictions of words that you're most likely to use with that that follow the word sounds. When I cut off my dad and I'm having the argument with him, I am essentially guessing what he's going to say based on my experience of having dealt with him before. I'm not letting him finish his thought out. I'm not letting him expresses his point. I am predicting what he's going to say and am choosing to respond in real time before I even have all the context. I'm choosing to respond in real time without having all the information.

19:22 And it's a stupid fucking way to communicate with people. And I do apologise because I do it a lot and it makes me a really, really bad listener, unfortunately. If we are Ella, you know, if we do think like LLMS and you know, I think and also, you know, there's only so many words and conversations and predictive ways that you can have a conversation, right? So you start off with someone, you say, hey, how you doing? There's only a limited number of potential responses. And then we kind of get thrown off if there's anything else, right? So the answer is usually pretty good. You all right, or another day in paradise or whatever it is. And then sometimes if someone throws something like I'll usually tell people, oh, I'm just peachy man.

20:04 Sounds gay, but. Sorry if I, you know, in the in the old school way, I asked someone what's going on. There's only a certain amount of expected potential responses and any other potential response, any other response throws you through a loop a little bit. So you notice when someone says, hey, how you doing? Pretty bad actually. You're like, whoa. And that person will actually leave a mark on you because that was a new implementation of a potential response into your LLM diary or LLM tool book. And you kind of keep an eye out for it. And if you go, if, if it's an anomaly, then it's an anomaly and you end up being surprised or sometimes you notice it more.

20:46 And that's kind of what happens. For example, if you, and I've had this experience myself, I forgot what it's called, but when you buy, for example, a car or you lease a car. So when I got my Kia K5, I never heard of the model my entire life. And the second I got the car, I started seeing them everywhere on the road. And I'm like, that is wild. Like I had like my, the, my brain was not looking for that detail. And now that it exists in my library, I can keep an eye out for it. Really, really interesting. So that on a very, very surface level in very, very, I'm sure there's a ton more of more depth. I'm sure there's a ton that I'm missing. I'm not claiming to have everything covered over there, but I think that there's a general gist that we tend to, people tend to work that way. Our algorithms, we, our algorithms are shaping us more and more everyday because it's constantly reinforcing a perspective without giving you a chance to explore other avenues, overwrite your associations or be exposed to new perspectives and new thoughts.

21:58 And So what we determine and deem to be truth or reality is really just a whole bunch of reinforced information. And I've heard people complain about that quite a bit and I've heard people talk about how that's a massive problem and it is. But I really haven't heard of many people offering very many solutions other than don't do social media, which I'm an advocate for. And just because I advocate for not doing social media doesn't mean I'm not addicted to it. You know, it doesn't mean that I don't spend a ton of a ton more time on it doesn't mean that my opinions and my perspectives are not shaped by it. And in fact, every single time I try to find myself, I say, oh, I'm just, you know, I'm just being blasted with, with, with, with content that is meant to, you know, put me into a, a particular frame of mind or enforce a particular perspective. I look for other content to balance that out and the, you know, and, and, and then, and then you have to catch yourself. OK, well, at a certain point, everything becomes anti authoritarian.

23:06 At a certain point, everything is a problem. What are the good things? What are the potential good things? How am I looking at this in a way that is both kind of picking it apart and also potentially positive? But it's really hard to do. And So what I was thinking of actually, and what I hope to encourage now is the value of creating our own algorithms. And I think that that means that there's a lot of really cool ways to create our own algorithms. Choosing content, particularly long form historical, scientific or narrative based content, I think is in long form content like a book or like a long podcast or an audio book or a movie or ATV series or whatever it is.

24:00 I think that the long form contents and allow us to create our own algorithms and instead of us being shaped by what is being fed to us or presented to us, we can get up, go to the do the equivalent of going to the supermarket and picking out a healthy meal for ourselves. So if you're sitting at home and you get up and you look and you say, hey, I'm hungry, can you get me a, you know, and you ask your sibling, you ask your parent, you ask your spouse, you ask your friend, Hey, can you grab me a snack? They're pretty much subject to what they bring you. You know, you get up and do it yourself. Then you can pick what is actually going to be healthy. You could pick something that might, you're in the mood for, it could be something that you're potentially interested in.

24:49 You want to see how it goes with other flavors. And I think the same thing applies to knowledge and our understanding of the world and information that we choose to consume. I think that if the more that we use social media, the more the information is being imposed on to us and the more that we choose the information to consume is the more that we're getting up and choosing what kind of snacks to have, whether they're healthy or not, whether they're good for you, what kind of mood you're in. Again, do you need something that's a little bit salty, sweet, high, high calorie, low calorie doesn't matter. There's a context for everything. There's a time and place for everything. And So what is best for us to do is to decide that for ourselves. I think that we think that because our algorithm will respond to, you know, obviously our algorithm is responsive to what catches our eye, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's what we want. If I walk into a pizza shop and I that sounds incredible, doesn't mean that someone should shove a pizza in my face. It doesn't, it doesn't mean that someone should shove a pizza down my throat.

25:52 It just means, whoa, that's interesting. I like that. I don't know if I want it right now, but I like it, you know, and I think that, you know, I myself have been going on this really, really interesting journey where I've kind of been learning about, I haven't been following broad news, but I've been taking particular news stories that I've been hearing and I've been diving into understanding what they're about. Because it turns out that there's a Hebrew expression. I love the expression in Kaddash Takasashemesh. There's no, there's nothing new under the sun. Everything that we think we've seen already has already had everything that we thought that we think is new has already happened already. And everything that we thought, you know, if we haven't seen something doesn't mean that it hasn't existed in a particular way.

26:37 And that's, I mean, that's my personal push and plea for learning about history and learning about humanity, but I think that that's important for everything. So for example, let's say again, just to stick with an example that we started talking about earlier with the ice stories and does you know, you can find out there's so many worlds to learn about what the context of what's going on over here is. What's the relationship between Minnesota and Somalia? What's the relationship between ice and the citizens? Where was the right always embracing ice and what was ice created for? Was it created to catch Venezuelan cartel members that are running around the country?

27:22 Was it designed to enforce all immigration law? What's the point of that right. So you do, I mean, and then that that so those two topics, Somalia and Minnesota ICE and and and and its purpose are enormous deep dives that require a lot of learning. And you can pick what you want to learn about it without having it fed to you. You can find the books that look interesting to you. You can find the articles that speak to you or the podcast with the podcast ghost guest or host that will go into an understanding of what the context is. So that while these events are unfolding, regardless of what your opinion is, at least you're not as as short as short sighted, short memoried as so many people are.

28:09 Where a year and a half ago we're talking about defending gun rights and the rights to protest and to end for free speech, and now are shutting down the exact same thing. And the more that people start to continue, hopefully to take their information and the learning into their own hands instead of depending on it being fed to you. Like me sitting on the couch waiting for my friend or my kid or my wife or someone to bring me a snack and getting up and doing it myself. There's enormous, enormous value. And every now and then, yeah, it's good to have someone bring you a cheap snack. If you're feeling lazy, if you feel like you don't want to get up and you don't really care what you're in the mood for, you're just hungry, then go ahead and go check out social media for a little bit. But I think it's much, much, much more productive and much more valuable to to really do the work yourself and create our own algorithms.

29:02 And then, and then everything snowballs and, and, and, and it's incredible to see how entangled all of society and all of culture and all of economy and all of music and, and all of film are just so deeply and tightly correlated. And, and I mean, and so, so if there's a particular aspect of, let's say, the news that is interesting to you, do deep dive, because along that deep dive, you're going to find other rabbit holes and you're going to learn more and you're going to understand more. And you're going to see really how much things are really entangled and how events that are being that that, that that feel like they are isolated really are all just circular. And it's really, really interesting. It's really, really cool and I really, really encourage people to do to to, to learn about this and to dive into and this is the value of democratized education and this is the value of democratized information is that this allows us to fight propaganda by.

30:10 But propaganda is always going to be put out there for better or for worse. Sometimes it's good propaganda, sometimes it's bad propaganda. But in order for us to maintain our own perspective, and this is how we still know that we live in a free country. And, you know, even though people will say, yeah, it's not free, there are definitely aspects of society that really, really aren't. But you know what, the fact that there are podcasts with hundreds of thousands or millions of listeners that are saying things that are very, very clearly against the establishment or the elite class or whatever it is. And the fact that they have the right to do it. And the fact that that that millions of people have access to it. And the fact that people are listening to it and whether they're doing anything about it or not is another conversation.

30:51 But the fact that it's out there means that it's inherently free and we do not want to destroy that. We do not want to trample that. It's a really, really potential scary road to go down. The other topic that other topics that were just came to mind because I came back from again, another trip to Orlando and it was really, really a lot of fun. I have, excuse me, I what, what, what, what we usually do nowadays is we get a Airbnb in Orlando. And I don't know if you've ever been to Orlando, but they have this enormous.

31:32 I mean, it's obviously one of the tops hubs for vacations, conferences, tourism in the world other than rather in America, other than potentially Las Vegas, a couple other places, but Orlando's really up there. And what was really cool, So Airbnb, it started off a couple of years even as even as recently as like 5 or 6 years ago, Airbnb was something that was essentially a kind of form of second income for, for everyday people that own their houses. And that if you lived in a house that was a little too big, or you had a back house, or you had a garage that you can convert into a private low suite, then you'd rent it out. Sometimes if you had a vacation home, you made an investment, then you would, you know, then you'd buy a house and you'd rent it out when you didn't want to go on vacation. And then while you're on vacation, you would you'd be able to stay there.

32:24 And Airbnb was awesome is awesome. I love Airbnb. And then corporations started realizing that this is a phenomenal business model. And So what Airbnb is in particular started to do is what corporations rather started to do was to buy and develop huge communities. And this is happening all over Orlando. And instead of people renting out their summer house or instead of people renting out a house, you know, the second-half of their house or whatever it is, the garage back house. And I've stayed in some really, really wonderful Airbnb's in Austin, TX, for example, I, I stayed in someone's back house and it was really, really, really an awesome experience. It was cheap, it was spacious.

33:08 There's a separate walking path for us to get into and the host and the host, even though we'd interact with them, had had thought of everything and were really, really great. And then there's another time where I went to with a couple of buddies of mine, Sam and Heim to oh, gosh, Newport, RI I love Newport. I've been there a couple of times and it's such a cool place, such an, it's so much beautiful nature. I, there was the bridge that you drive over to go to Newport and I don't even remember what was going on in my life in particular at that point. But I remember driving over that bridge and thinking about how beautiful it was and seeing all the sailboats and the literally just like sapphire water below me. And I just, I, I got emotional. I was tearing or crying or whatever, but it was really a Newport's a really, really beautiful. That part of Rhode Island in the country is really, really remarkable.

33:59 But we stayed at Airbnb there and it was in someone's back house, right? So you would you can go through the front or you can go in on the back and you climb up the the back stairs up to the deck on the second story of the house. And there you had a big, it was a big loft area that they converted into a bedroom with a couple of beds and shower in the bathroom and is closed off from the rest of the house. But the owners that were living there were very, very warm and very sweet and very nice. And they had a little garden. And during the morning, they just knocked on the door and said, hey, we have some, you know, some tomatoes and cucumbers. And if there's anything you need, just let me know. We'll help take care of you. And then, and then Fast forward five years from now, you go to Orlando and you go to Airbnb and you go to a house that's owned by a corporation that make you sign this form, this liability, not liability form, but like rules form of, of, of procedures that you have to follow.

34:59 And the bathrooms have these little like mini shampoos from the hotels and stuff like that. And they give you the little hotel towels and thin sheets. And, and I'm not complaining because the houses are remarkable. The only thing I'm complaining about is the fact that this is a common thread that's been going on for as America's evolved and as the country has become a little bit a lot more geared towards corporate takeover. Where is where and you have an idea and you have a concept or a business that starts off really, really fun, individualized, personalized and for the everyday person. And once it scales into a business model, then, and I don't even blame the people for trying to make money then in corporations, hedge funds, investment banks, they see the opportunity for revenue and they'll take it. And I don't, and I, I, I genuinely do not blame them for it.

35:59 I just wish that it kept a little bit more of the homey feel and a little bit more authentic and customer based. And but it doesn't surprise me because I think that it feels to me that a lot is corporatized, including people's personalities these days. It's so funny. And I didn't get LinkedIn used to get a lot of I've seen that LinkedIn got a lot gets a lot of hate, even though I think it's a really nice platform. But one of the reasons why is because it kind of corporatized all humanity and it turned everyone into these very polite robots that write the same way. I was down to my luck and, you know, several paragraphs below it where you have to click see more.

36:46 And then I didn't. And then I didn't give up. And then my luck changed. Keep hustling, you know, And that's every LinkedIn post, just in another variation one way or the other. I got fired from the job. But I know that tomorrow's going to be a brighter day. And yeah, I mean, that's cool, but it also kind of feels robotic and not real And film, I've complained and I've I've complained. I've talked to people, I've observed and talked to a bunch of guests recently, especially in entertainment world about how the film industry. And this is again, I'm not, this isn't a, this isn't a blame game. I'm not trying to blame people or say this is all a problem or I understand where this is coming from. Film studios, streaming studios and services, they have to make money.

37:35 I get that they have to make money. The question just is what are you? Where are you going to trim the fat from in order to produce profits? And if that fat trimming is customer based, then you're going to have a push back from the customer base if the trimming. And that's why actually. So it's what I think is interesting. And what I've heard from anecdotally from several Amazon employees that I know personally have spoken to throughout the years is that Amazon is known to be a very difficult place to work, even though they obviously care tremendously about the customer. And so where they'll say they'll, they'll trim the their quote UN quote fat for to make profits might be on their employee end as opposed to the customer's end.

38:23 And so for all the customers that are happy that Amazon has no questions asked returns, that might just mean that their employees are getting their employees are getting paid less because they have to figure out where to cut those where to make that difference. And by the way, I don't even know if this is the case. I'm literally just speculating, making this up. But the point and and the point is not in the example that I'm giving, but in the in the general gist of the idea that I'm portraying. And that is that I don't fault you for having to be responsible financially and to make money. I fault two things #1 having it come out, coming out of the customer experience, and then #2 expecting to be bailed out on a massive level.

39:05 Like with government, When big airlines or big banks, Oregon, big entertainment companies start falling apart and the government saves them if they're falling apart, there's a reason for that. That's capitalism and to save them is such an issue because it ignores the rules of what people, of what people want. And I mean, that is that's something that's also really, really interesting as far as democracy goes. If you're going to be a capitalist, most, you know, mostly capitalistic democracy. Companies shouldn't get bailed out by the government if they go out of business or if they fail because they're failing for a reason. And that's because they're not doing a good job. So by keeping them afloat, you get, you're incentivizing them to continue mistreating customers. And that to me is much more of an issue than anything else. So these, you know, and I'm in these Airbnb communities and I've spent, I mean, I've spent a lot of time with them and I go to them quite a bit because at the end of the day, they're convenient.

40:05 They're huge houses for really cheap and they're really good for my family and for my good, my kids to run around and, and it really does feel like a good getaway. And so I am happy to go and I am happy to pay up for it. But when you walk down the block, are you go, are you going for a drive? And you see for miles and miles on end the exact same houses that are all sitting empty, that are all built the same way, the same style, cut and paste, copy, paste, copy, paste, copy, paste. You feel like you're missing a little something. You feel like you're missing a little bit of soul. Till next time guys, We got a bunch of episodes coming up this week. Bye.