142: Epstein & “The System” / Revolving Doors / Sunk Cost with Society / Rebels & Underdogs

0:01 Welcome to another episode of Come Together, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another episode of Come Together. Cheers. Back to when I used to listen to a great podcast called Victory, the Podcast featuring all the guys from Entourage. So Doug Allen, the creator, Johnny Drama, Kevin Dillon and E Kevin Connolly used to do a podcast or still do, but I don't listen to it as much anymore. And one thing they used to do is crack open cans and call them Irish crickets.

0:48 So cheers. We have a lot to go over today and you know, I've been again, I'm always kind of reconsidering and rethinking about the direction of the podcast and I'm always trying to think about the best way to improve it and to keep things going in. I think that it's important to be able to touch up on air or provide some of my own thoughts that are on events that are going on. And I can't imagine a bigger story than the Epstein one that's going on right now. Now, I'm aware that people, a lot of people are using this story as click bait, I'm sure. I'm aware that a lot of people have been really opportunistic about this. And the truth is, I don't blame them, obviously. But this also exposes something bigger and something more powerful than I think we have realized until now. And there are a couple of people that really do some awesome deep dives into web scene's history and explain that he's a lot more than just pedophile blackmail honey trap guy. He is.

2:04 And, and, and I've talked about this peripherally in a bunch of different podcasts where I bring them up with where I bring him up with my guests. And there seems to be an enormous amount of reluctance to talk about it. And I understand that reluctance actually, because it's extremely unpleasant. And the implications, especially as you read the documentation that the Justice Department has been providing we're this is crazy. This is this is really, really, really bonkers. And I think so many people don't know how to wrap their head around it that it's easier to not not even try to wrap your head around it. And there's a couple of things that happen, obviously in the last couple of days.

2:52 We know that Thomas Massie in Rocahana from the congressman from Thomas Massie from Kentucky, Rocahana from California, young guy, relatively young guys, I suppose. And really, I mean, the beautiful thing about and what I love most about Thomas Massie story is that he is middle America. That is, you know, he represents the part of the country that is America, the homeland and not looking and not living on the borders, what you would almost call them our borders, which would be New York, California, the South, the north, where you almost are inherently interested in your nearest potential neighbor. And even though that might be hypothetically an ocean away, one thing that has happened, obviously, as technology, transportation and everything has evolved is that they're still our neighbors.

3:44 And, you know, I mean, yeah, Well, we may have some kind of like physical barrier distance between us, but as far as taxes, as far as business concerned concerned, as far as politics, economics, spillover between people and countries and cultures, it's not it's not really that far apart. And so Thomas Massey represents the group of people that are not interested in necessarily dealing with neighbors. We'd call them for now, neighbors of our country in any direction. He's focused on dealing with in and and only someone that's really focused on dealing with in is going to be able to pull the plug.

4:27 You would call it on this American global presence that we've been working towards since World War 2. And it's been it's been an experiment. And the truth is that I think that I mean, one thing that you have to, that you really could say in all fairness, is that we really did try to give economic imperialism and global imperialism and global power a real shot. And we really did try to do it. And we came up with a lot of different philosophies and a lot of different perspectives and a lot of different justifications and validations for why we have to go to other parts of the world, why we have to inject ourselves in other people's business. And we've made a lot of really, you know, and, and, and listen, apparently the arguments have been compelling enough that that, that we've done it and that the people, that the American people and the, and the rest of the world have kind of come gone along with it. But we're coming to the point now where we're seeing that that that experiment didn't really take and it's not really working.

5:30 And So what we're going to have to do, and this is in this kind of comes to the point. And this is almost the way that I think a lot of people make decisions in their own personal lives too, which is at some cost fallacy, which is like, well, I already sunk so much into this and like, I just got to keep on riding it out. I do this all the time. I buy, I buy, you know, and I've learned to try to not do this. But let's say I go to a brewery and the beer that I buy in breweries is not typically very cheap. And that's why I've kind of stopped going much more often. But I go to a brewery and I buy myself this delicious barrel aged stout. It's a 14% stout that was aged in bourbon barrels for two years, you know, with some coffee and some vanilla beans added to it and just absolutely looks delicious on the menu. And I, and I goes and, and it's $8 for a four ounce pour, 4 pour for anyone that wouldn't know is, I don't know, like I'd say 1/3 of a beer glass.

6:29 No, yeah, a typical beer glass is about 12 to 16 ounces. So do that without what you will. And I'll take it and I'll taste it. And that first sip, I'll be like, oh man, this beer is bad. Now, in order to get for that beer to be 14% alcohol and for it to get all that flavour, there's got to be a lot of sugar, a lot of crap in that that is not good for me. But I already spent 8 bucks on this. So like, what's it like? I, you know, I already spent the 8 bucks. Even if it's not that great, at least it's 14% alcohol. Maybe I'll get a little buzz going. Maybe it's, you know, maybe it's worth it. And I have to spend all these. I have to spend all this time coming up with reasons to convince myself and to compel myself to go ahead and do something that I don't really, really want to do.

7:13 And I think there's a lot of people right now, America is at this national identity point where we're saying we, unless I grew up with it, I grew up with idea. I remember learning now, and it's so funny how these ideas come back to you so many years later and you kind of see how your education has been formed. But I remember learning in history class in high school. And history was a class, one of the few classes that I really enjoyed and thought that I was OK at. I remember learning in history class in America is the world's police. And I remember thinking to myself, why should we be? And then my teacher said, because we are the most moral nation and because moral, I guess, I guess right makes might, which makes right. And, and you know, and, and, and, and I was too young at that point to really think for myself or to really push back on that. I kind of just accepted it as it is. And I don't think that's necessarily the case. Obviously, looking back now, I don't, I don't, I don't think that that should be the case.

8:12 And I don't necessarily think that we should be teaching people, kids like that at the end of the day. But what we do know is we've had this identity since World War 2. Generations have grown up with this perception. And not only that. And obviously, as I kind of learned more and as my podcast guests have become a little bit more diverse in their backgrounds as far as their research and the work that they conduct, we're being, this idea is constantly being reinforced in Hollywood and the movies that we watch too, and the two and the television shows that we watch. And, and we don't even, you know, and so and, and, and, and Hollywood loves to emphasize.

8:55 And there was an incredible document. I'll see if I could try to find the link and post on the show notes captions, but if not, feel free please to Google this. Or you could look this up on spyculture.com on Tom Sucker's website. He does great reporting about this. But that, oh, I'm so sorry, it's in the book. And I'll, I'll post the I'll post the book superheroes movies in the state that the Los Angeles Police Department. What does not allow for their cops or their officers to be portrayed doing anything that is considered racist or ethically questionable, despite their long history of not necessarily doing that? And I'm not, Again, I'm not. I do not want to say that the Los Angeles Police Department is a bad LAPD, are bad people, is a bad organization, is a corrupt organization.

9:45 I don't know anything about it, but I do know that no one's perfect. And I do know that organizations certainly are not perfect. And over the course of many, many, many years with very with, with a lot of really, really weird circumstances happening in California, whether it's the government intervention, whether it's the creative scene, whether it's Hollywood or music, a lot of weird shit happens. A lot of really weird shit happens and, and it's OK, I think, to go ahead and to admit when bad shit happens and say we're trying to clean it up. But there seems to be this. It's so important for the institutions in America to be flawless in the eyes of their population that I don't think they realize that they're stretching it past the point of credibility and that becomes an issue.

10:33 But that's all just an example. And just to say that we have this perception of what America is and we're realizing now, and primarily through Epstein and primarily through what all, you know, how how connected he was and all the relationships he had and how many people have influence and power and business and technology and medicine and politics and everything that this guy had his hands on. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea. And now we're going to have to pivot. And the problem is that America is such a massive ship, is such a huge ship.

11:15 And listen, I mean, obviously it's smaller than China. Obviously it's smaller than India. It could be done. It could be done as far as population, but it's such a huge ship that we have to turn, you know, in order to be able to turn, it's got to be slow. It's got to be a long, painful, difficult process. And it's the same way that people have described, for example, when you work in a company. And I've read many, many accounts of this from because I because I love this world. But the early days between Pixar and Disney in the in the mid 90s when Pixar was just a startup, just a quick nimble startup being funded by literal deposits from Steve Jobs's bank account into the employees pockets, They were able to create incredible, incredible content that Disney, which was already a behemoth established corporate entity, was not quite able to take on the same creative risks, to tackle the same types of challenges in the same way because of just how huge they were and how enormous they were.

12:14 And So what Disney ended up doing was essentially subcontracting Pixar to make a bunch of those, to make a bunch of great movies that they recognized they were too big to be able to or or too slow or too corporate or too mechanical to really be able to come up with on on their own. And it feels like America is does just does not know what it's doing with itself right now. The right is eating itself from the inside. The left has a massive power vacuum. The, the, the, the population of leaders is getting older. Younger people are not interested necessarily in really stepping up in leadership positions. And if they do it, it always feels like they're being bought out, which obviously is the name of the game.

12:56 So this Epstein thing is, and we can see why the government has worked so hard to cover up this this story and this character and all the people that are related to him because he is a shadow manifestation of a global system. And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think that all the documentations on the Justice Department's website kind of say to the opposite. So while it might be a lot to take to wrap our head around, that essentially is what it is. And there was a couple of things that happened in the last few days that really, really emphasize exactly how rotten the system is. And there's always been conspiracy theories about Epstein.

13:45 He didn't kill himself, blah, blah, blah. And it was never confirmed or denied. And the FBI and you have the FBI doesn't do anything. And then you have Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, who make who who who run with Trump on the promise of flipping everything on its head. And the second they walk in, they realize that this ship is a lot bigger than they were able to. And it turns out that, you know, again, and not to ever, ever, ever compare, I don't think, unless it has to be, but unless it turns out to be true. But not to compare Disney to any wrongdoing and Pixar to any right doing. But it shows how vehemently and how, how far a system is willing to go to make sure that its life force is preserved. And even if it's a bad system, and even if it's a dangerous system, it will fight the same way that human body fights, you know, viruses with and fights disease and has an autoimmune response.

14:41 There are big systems like the government that's that, that's, that are set up in order to weed out anything that tries to take it down. And one thing in a couple of astounding, really astounding document drops was number one, that three things. Actually, there's three primary things that in the last couple of days that have really, really blown this hole open for me #1 was the announcement of Epstein's death the day before he died by the Attorney General. I think there was an announcement August 9th, and he died and he died August 10th, which means that. And again, I don't know what it means. I'm not going to say what it means.

15:21 It's judged. It shows that there was some kind of planning or some kind of conspiracy is is the word, I mean, an alternative plan for this for for what the actual actions of the government were going to be and what the story that they were going to tell the public was. And so there was an announcement the day before he died that he was that he was dead. Obviously he wasn't yet. And then there was a body double that was there to quote and look this up in the Justice Department website that was there to distract the press while the actual body was smuggled out another door. We don't know whether the body was alive, you know, whether the body was dead.

16:07 We don't know what kind of condition the body was in. And then the FBI, the FBI on record, again, according to the Justice Department, this is not conspiracy as far as I know. Now, these documents may be doctored now, but and now this may not be true, but then I don't know how anyone's going to measure any kind of yardstick or take anything seriously one way or the other if we're just going to kind of throw all, all sorts of evidence into speculation. But according to the Justice Department, the FBI, A announced, you know, the attorney general announced that Epstein was was dead a day before he died. B Second body C deleted the camera footage, took the camera footage, erased it, deleted it, destroyed it, whatever they did with it gone.

16:55 So just those three things I think are incredible, an incredible indication of just how far a system is willing to go to protect itself. And then to be able to convince the people that are working for the system, like Cash Patel or Dan Bongino, that they can't talk, that they can't do anything about it and that this is going to happen whether you like it or not. And and the system has a way of chewing people out too, because Dan Bongino had lost a lot of his credibility, obviously, based on the 180 that he had to do once he entered the FBI. And then he left and he came back to the podcast world. And you can look this up, actually, this is crazy in like the week since his podcast aired again, since he came back from leaving the FBI after nine months as a deputy director, which is second in command.

17:56 He he started, he started I think of like 1.5 million viewers on his podcast and was losing an average of 300,000 people a day until I just saw I think yesterday, the day before that Fox had decided rehired him. And so Dan Bongino went from being this rumble star, alternative news media, independent news organization, voice of voice of the people, you know, fighting the institution to basically getting sucked into it, losing all his credibility and then getting hired out by corporate media.

18:38 I mean, like it's and I, and I feel bad for him. I really, really do. Because you know what? I don't know what damn Bongino's life is like. I don't know what kind of threats or situations that he had to deal with while he was in the FBI. I don't know who said what to him about his wife or family or whatever it is. And you know what? I don't know that I would do anything differently. Unfortunately, unfortunately, it really, really takes a martyr. It really, really takes a hero and someone with nothing to lose, it feels like, to be able to make a difference like this. Unless your name is Thomas Massie, of course. But so that that that's that I think is like the first installment of how important it is that people do not let go of this story and that the story keeps on going because the institutions want the story to go away.

19:29 People that don't want to believe that the corruption and the sickness is as far reaching as it is want this to go away just so that we could get back to normal. I don't know that things are going to get back to normal anymore. I don't know what normal is anymore. I don't know normal is anymore. We have these crazy UFO congressional hearings that are going on that you have to stick your head in the sand to not hear about. You have this Epstein stuff that's going on. You have advanced military potential weapons that governments around the world, China, Russia, America, anyone are potentially using that no one knows anything about. We have potential nuclear wars going off. We have.

20:09 Yeah, we have Vladimir Putin talking about the fact that if this war is not over in the next two years, he might drop a nuke on Germany. We can't just go back to normal. Like I think that, and I think that unfortunately this goes back to a lot of the American issues that comes from being such a young country and being from being from being such a young empire is we're so short term. We're so short. We're so we're so short sighted and think in such short terms that and we just want to be comfortable and live our everyday lives that we're willing to ignore everything around us to be able to continue that. And until then, events keep on piling up and the consequences are keep on getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And I'm not, I don't want to come across as a doomsday person because I'm really not.

21:10 But I think that it's really, really important to be able to acknowledge the issue that you have in order to be able to respond to it. And this is actually where I kind of get into a little bit more of what I hope to be a little bit more solution based conversation. We know that that the revolving door has always been a point of corruption for any kind of regulation and for anyone that doesn't know what or understand the terminology, revolving door basically is referring to the relationship between private sectors and regulators slash government.

21:52 So, for example, if I work for the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and I understand the government's rules and the way that the government tracks down illegal drugs or illegal drugs and has and, and, and determines whether or not they are being provided and supplied to patients safely and in an ethical way. I have this whole playbook of I understand how the government works. And I've been working for the government for 10-15 years, doing the good fight or even 5 years, whatever amount of time it is, doing the good fight, learning the game, learning how the government regulates and helps protect people against legal and illegal drugs. And then after 5/10/15 years, I say, you know what, I'm done Making $70,000 a year or $100,000 a year and clocking in nine to five and having a, you know, very bureaucratic job. And I'd like to be able to do something more with myself. I can get hired out by a company or by a consulting firm or by a pharmaceutical company to help that company navigate its way around the regulations.

23:08 Now, who is better to do that than the actual person creating the regulations? So this revolving door applies to any industry that you can think of that has regulation. Oil, energy, entertainment, politics. I obviously politics, sorry, you know, garbage, waste disposal, pharmaceuticals, everything, anything, anything that is regulated has the potential for the revolving door. The good news is that you have that, that what we could do is we could apply the revolving door logic the other way around and that is and and and that's and obviously that's always a little bit more dangerous. We have, I think the first step of that is called whistleblowing, right?

23:58 Where you work for a company or an organization or a government entity and you say, hey, we're not doing what we're supposed to be doing right now. I have to make this public. This is wrong. People are getting hurt. It goes against ethics and laws and values of XY and Z, company or government or institution. And I'm going to make this public. I'm going to make this known. That's the first step. And then you could actually join the fight. And that's why I think people there's people like, and I've brought him up before, Mike Benz is such an important and crucial character that is almost single handedly blowing the door open on so many important issues because he is the reverse version of revolving door.

24:49 He had worked in politics. He is a lawyer. He worked under the first Trump administration and then said, you know what? I I get my hands tied in bureaucracy. I get my hands tied, you know, with classified cortical classified information I had, I could only do so much within the system. Let me go out of my own. Let me go to Twitter, let me go to Rumble, let me go to X, let me go to the podcast world. And I'll take the inside knowledge that I have of the workings and I'm going to publicize it and teach people how to combat it. And that is incredible. And for everyone that feels that this fight is hopeless because of this revolving door, just one guy, I mean, just Mike Benz.

25:38 And then you have incredible people like, you know, journalists like Michael Schallenberger or Glenn Greenwald or whoever that understand how a system works on the inside, publicizes it, learns how to maneuver around it, and then helps teach people how to do the same thing in order to make a difference. That is just, it's just a hope. It's just the only hope, I think, for being able to rebound from whatever sick, disgusting and evil philosophies and individuals have taken over the free world. And again, a system wants to save itself.

26:23 We can't. I don't blame any particular person in the government necessarily. I mean, listen, there are particular people that you could blame. And you know, we have their names and they should be held accountable. We should be learning their names and they should be held accountable. But a lot of people are just in a system. A lot of people are just in the system, in the system designed to make sure that it keeps on surviving, that these people still have jobs, that these people still get paychecks. That that I mean, if, if the entire American government fell apart because of all the people that were potentially indicted or potentially involved one way or the other in this, in this Epstein ring world, it's a scary concept. We got to rebuild from scratch.

27:06 And you know what, Well, what's the rush? Maybe we should rebuild right away. What I think about the chaos that happens. And I really hear, I really, really, really hear. But if the if the premise of your house, the foundation of your house is completely rotted away, there's got to be something else to do about it. There's got to be something else to do about it. And this isn't just an American thing I want to say, because this is clearly a global, this clearly a global effort. Epstein was not more tied to America than he was to Israel, than he was to Saudi, than he was to Britain. Then I mean, I think he had a fake, what was Australian, Austria, I think Austrian passport. I mean, he had a Saudi pass.

27:50 I mean, like this, this guy was everywhere. It's not a particular country. It is just a system of what we would call again and and I hate using these kind of terminologies because they really lead to to, you know, quote UN quote conspiracies. It's a global elite. It's a group of powerful people that run powerful institutions that all have similar agendas to one another, which is to maintain power, influence or control or economic wealth or whatever it is that they're looking for. And they just don't want to give it up And but, but positive again, you want to, you want to flip this on his head, You want to, you want to bring something positive out of this.

28:38 Think about all the good that could happen. Now think about all the good that can occur from goodwill, from free, not corrupt trade. You know from from trade and economic relationships that don't result in simply a transfer of wealth from the middle and the bottom class to the top class, but just create opportunity, period, and let everyone and let everyone lift up a little bit. This we see this could happen on a global level because the opposite has happened on a global level.

29:21 And so once the potential for all the bad is exposed and once the potential for all the negative ways that we're all connected is exposed, it could lead to a positive ways that we could be that we could build on it. Once we burn that down, we could have a lot of really, really wonderful relationships. We could have a lot of really, really wonderful communal global efforts where and listen, the part of the reason why and not a part of the reason. And then probably one of the main reasons why any kind of war happens is because 1 country identifies another country that has what they want, whether it's minerals, whether it's a geographic location that's really important, whether it's a country that they border, whatever it may be, they identify something they want. They try to take it by force instead of inviting an idea, instead of inviting collaboration. And I think that, you know, I think that this is we're getting to a really, really interesting point in time and where we're seeing the flaws of our short term capitalism and we're seeing the flaws of we just got to smack. We got to just grab as much as we can for us today. Right now, we just need as much as we can on a daily basis because we have to show every quarter or every month or whatever it is that we that we are still successful and we stop thinking long term.

30:51 We could have a form of long term capitalism which rewards long sighted thinking that might, you know, have. And again, Amazon is such an awesome example of this company. If you want a case in point for a business or for an organization that sacrificed. And I don't know if they still do. I'm sure they do. I don't know as much about it. I haven't kept up as much about it as much as I've learned about the beginning of the company. But Amazon did not care about its quarterly profits for well over a decade of its existence as an organ, as a company. And Wall Street punished them. And their shares were going up and down. And it was a little turbulent as far as Wall Street was concerned.

31:36 But the company itself was establishing itself, was, was setting the foundation to be able to succeed like no other company, really like no other company. And I think that that should be rewarded. I think that is the kind of behavior that we need long term if America's going to find a way to bounce back from this issue. Because I think that everything that we every, a lot of our problems that we have, our social problems, our economic problems, our religious problems, our health problems, a lot of these issues stem from compulsive and perpetual short term thinking that and we can't seem to wrap our head about around what is going to be more than 5 minutes or five months from now. We can't wrap our head around what's in five years or 10 years or what we want things to look like. And by the way, I'm not good at that kind of thinking either. I'm really not.

32:36 And I'm not expecting every business or every company or every individual to have a detailed plan where I hope in five years from now we look exactly like this and 10 years from now be exactly like that. But there are decisions that you could make. They say, hey, I know that I want something better long term. And I know that right now, short term, this might be look good, but this is not what I'm looking for big picture. And so I don't know what the final, my final plan is going to be. But I know that by acting in this short term interest, I'm going, I'm putting my long term plan in jeopardy. And we have to, I think that we should be thinking a lot more like that. The other potential positive aspect of globalization and the fact that everything is so closely intertwined is that it also is able to, we're also able to spread out. Not the blame, I guess, but this, Epstein's story and Epstein's behavior and connections are so far reaching that it's not necessarily just up to the American government to disclose what's going on.

33:54 And just because the American institutions are rotten and corrupt to the point that they're not willing to acknowledge, I mean, imagine how big of a news story this is. This is this makes Watergate look like a joke. This makes this makes a lot of things in American history look like a joke. This very, very well may be one of the most, probably the most influential time as far as a national identity or global identity that this planet is experiencing. And I don't mean that I mean that very, very seriously. I'm not trying to just say dramatic, you know, statements and I'm not trying to grandstand over here the extent of scientists, doctors, businessmen, politicians, world leaders, arms deals, everything.

34:46 I mean, going back to Iran, Contra, banks, everything, everything is involved in this. News organizations, everyone, everyone is involved in this. And so as far as American media is concerned or as far as American, American systems concerned, we're not going to get anything. But you know who's a lot less corrupt? Potentially maybe the UK where they're already having or you know, maybe where they're already having consequences to, to, to the documents being dumped. Maybe Australia, maybe Germany, maybe Israel, probably not maybe Israel. I hope Israel. I would love for that to be the case. I'd love for people to be responsible and to be able to say, hey, we got it. We got ahead of our skews over there. We got caught up in something that was totally not what the right thing is.

35:34 And we and we, we want to take a step back from that. I would love if the country did that. I don't know if they're going to. But the point is that because of the fact this isn't just an American problem, because the fact that there's a global problem, there's an endless amount of ways for the story to be exposed. And so folk in America and I've actually been learning about, I've been trying to do this myself just in general for the podcast. I've been trying to get guests that are not from this country and they're not biased towards our very limited American perspective. There's a lot of perspectives out there that we should be listening to. There's a lot of indications that people are really being held accountable that we should take a look at and say, hey, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

36:18 If I mean, listen, this thing might topple the freaking what do you call the the British, the royal family, the dynasty. I have no idea what's going to happen, but I do wanna I, I think the purpose of the podcast that are the reason why I wanted to talk about this is not to emphasize how terrible things are and not to talk about how bad things are, but to talk about how it's important to acknowledge the issues that exist, but to also say that there's a lot of really potentially good things that are going on right now. Thomas Massie in Rokahana, the fact that the left and the right are supporting about are coming together to support this is an enormous deal. The fact that we're getting a lot of unredacted evidence, we're getting a lot of evidence about the corruption of the system from within the system that's being forced out by the representative representatives of the people is a huge deal. Is hope.

37:15 That is a sign of hope. The same way that that that that, that the podcast world and Twitter, it feels like had such an enormous impact on the elections in 2024. The people are having a huge impact on the Epstein story. And we're seeing the power of militarized, democratized power against a system. And that's good. That's good for now. That's really good for now. That's really hopeful. The fact that Epstein was a globalized, it was a global force, it is a good thing because if he was only constrained to the American government, then we might never get it out.

37:57 But if Switzerland talks about it, if England talks about it, if Germany talks about it, if Australia talks about it, if Saudi Arabia talks about it, if Iran talks about it, hey, all of a sudden we got a lot more information that we can that that that that we the people can use. So I'm not here. And then finally the revolving door. And then finally the people on the inside, whether you're going to be a whistleblower and coming out of the system or whether you're actually going to come out and actually take a stand to make and make this a fight like the way that Mike Benz does. I think that we're going to, I think this is a time for hope. I think this is a time of massive change. I think it's a time of scary change. That doesn't mean that it's not hopeful and it doesn't mean that it's not incredible.

38:44 I'm really, I'm really excited. I'm really hopeful. I'm nervous obviously about their percussions. I'm nervous because again, the same way that body has an immune system that kicks out a probably, you know, that that kicks out invaders. This American system is a big system. It really, really is. But I think that thanks to people like Thomas Massie in Ro Kahana, Marjorie Taylor Green, gotta give her credit. We have Luna. I forgot her. I forgot her first name from Florida, where the people, the people are, are, are are fighting back. And what's so cool? It's so much fun.

39:26 And it's funny how how this changes, right? American media, we talk a lot. I talk a lot about the influence and propaganda the media has, and one of the things that they may have done to shoot themselves in the foot is that American media is always represented the American people as rebels, as underdogs. And we are. I know that as a country we might not be, but as a people being held hostage to a system that has been in the shadows if ish. Has been so corrupt in the shadows for so many years and now it's blown right open.

40:12 We can fight it. We can fight it and we should fight it and we're going to fight it. And we've been taught through media, we've been trained through media that we can escape this. And we are the rebels and we are the underdogs. And the people in America, the people who are told that the that the economy is doing great when they're suffering financially, the people that are told there's nothing to see here when all these unredacted documents are talking about torture videos and 11 year olds and 9 year olds, and I mean, God knows what. And listen, sure. Context, less, sure. Hearsay for now.

40:55 But there's dark shit going on and everyone knows it. There's a lot of dark shit, and everyone knows it. And so at the end of the day, the institutions that have worked so hard to portray America as these underdogs, even though he may not have been as a country, the people have been soaking in these messages for a long time. And I hope that we continue to and I hope that we continue to create content, to put out podcasts, to put it, to make movies and television shows that show that the individuals can escape from the system because we can. We're on the way to doing it. And this is just step one. More podcast episodes coming out for you tomorrow.

41:37 I hope tomorrow or Friday you got a couple of guests lined up and more into next week. Till then, bye everyone and always a pleasure.