#152: Brian Malow / The Science Comedian / Moon Landing / Stand Up & Science / SciFi

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together,

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Brian Mallow.
As if as if there was 2L's in

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your last name, but there is
one.

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Great to have you here.
Science communicator, comedian

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obviously overflowing with
enthusiasm and charisma already.

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Obviously.
How are you?

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How are you today?
Good, thanks for having me.

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Yeah, you know, I have how?
Did you find me?

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Oh, I was trying to avoid you.
How did you find me?

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I found you with assistance of
grok where I.

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Oh no, I don't know if that's
good or bad.

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I'm known to the AIS already.
You are, by the way, I got, I

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got my first call.
Someone reached out to me.

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I found you using AI and I'm
like, oh, that's what it feels

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like.
I see I had done an interview

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about a month ago with a a
nuclear physicist and stand up

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comic named Kevin Hickerson.
And and he was, I think he, oh,

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he didn't as much try to focus
on blending the two arts as much

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as pursuing them as, you know,
two different careers and

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ultimately chose to focus more
on the nuclear physics and felt

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like he had more to, you know,
offer than.

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Jekyll and Hyde 1 is a comedian
by day.

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You know, probably nuclear
physicist by day, comedian by

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night.
But why couldn't it be the other

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way around?
I, I honestly, I don't know.

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I don't know.
I kind of do the I kind of live

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my business life like that
because most of my podcasting

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ends up being during the day.
I do, I do sales.

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Otherwise with I work with my
dad.

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You know what?
So when I was growing up, way

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before comedy was an idea as a
career, like I liked comedy, but

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like when I growing up, I did
have early comedy influences.

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Like I had George Carlin albums,
Richard Pryor, Monty Python

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album, the original crew of
Saturday Night Live had an album

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that was very popular at some
point there in the late 70s and

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Steve Martin, you know, like,
but I, I, I hadn't what, but I

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wasn't thinking of comedy as a
career.

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I did like it and those
influences were there as well as

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like science and science fiction
influences.

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But I had a friend that we
started writing songs together

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and he was a great composer and
mostly I wrote lyrics to his

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music.
And we we're torn because we

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wanted to be rock stars.
We also wanted to be scientists.

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We loved physics, especially,
and astronomy, astrophysics.

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So we always thought about that
like scientists by day.

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Rockstar.
By night.

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And yeah.
Totally in the end.

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We became neither.
It's wonderful.

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Well, I mean, you find a
different way to blend it.

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And actually, I, you know, I, I
spoke with, I had another guest

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recently who was a musician
first and then ended up ends up

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studying music in the brain and,
you know, music with cochlear

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implants and perception of
music.

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The Yeah.
And really, really.

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Cool stuff.
Her name was Karen Barrett,

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Doctor Karen Barrett.
And she's a, she's a a trained

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classical pianist and has been
studying dementia and

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neurogenesis and creativity.
And one thing that she recently

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did was creativity with kids,
where she'd put kids in the FM

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RIMRI scanner, I guess have a
background music loop play, give

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them a keyboard and have them
improvise and let them play

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music in the FM RI scanner and
see which parts of their brain

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would light up and which
circuits were being activated

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while they were improvising to
see, to study creativity.

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Yeah.
Like in a tangible way, it was

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really, really cool.
But she said the same thing.

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She goes, I didn't know where,
where, where my research was

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going to take me.
I just knew what I loved.

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And I just had to figure out
one, you know how to put 11 foot

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in front of the next and then
and then you get there.

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I've had I've given talks to
students, especially older

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students, high school or college
and where I discussed my path

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because it was very non linear.
It wasn't like this is what I

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always wanted to be.
And then I became it.

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I I was always good at science,
but I was also good at writing.

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I liked both the science and the
art and.

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The performing I bet, and the
performing I imagine, right?

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You know, that actually came
later.

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I was kind of a shy kid.
Like I would get nervous if I

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had to stand up in front of the
class and speak.

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So although I had dreams of
being a rock star with my

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friend, that was a dream very
fantasy based because I didn't

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really I didn't have much stage
experience.

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I did a couple like little plays
or something, but but I didn't

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have much stage experience until
much later.

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So that's something I actually
had to overcome later and get

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get used to.
But I didn't head straight into

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any of this.
I, I went, I was a great student

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and when I went to college, I
went to the, I grew up in

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Houston mostly actually.
So I was born.

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I like saying I was born in
Chicago.

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We moved down to Texas and I
went to California and then to

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North Carolina.
So I don't even know what that

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means.
But as a Jew, what is this?

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But that's the path I took.
I, I, I hit the four corners of

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the country kind of.
But what I'm trying to say there

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is that I was at at the
University of Texas, I was in

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this liberal arts honors program
called Plan 2, Roman numeral 2.

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And I I was pre Med at the
urging of my Jewish parents

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mother.
One of my jokes is that that's

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very truthful is like I I'm very
often open with this.

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My name is Brian Mallow and I'm
not a doctor, but I play one in

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the broken dreams of my parents.
There you go.

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And then?
When they laugh, I I thank them

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for laughing.
But it wasn't, it wasn't even a

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joke.
It's a pretty honest statement,

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but I was pre Med and I started,
I graduated with a high GPAI

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started to study for the MCAT,
the test you take to get into

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medical school.
But I knew this isn't what I

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want.
That's not even the science that

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I like best.
I prefer physics and astronomy

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and and then I was out of school
for a year and then I went to

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Graduate School in TV production
in a way, and I learned video

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skills.
Wait a minute while.

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I was doing that I tried stand
up for the first time.

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There was a funniest person in
Austin contest that I was ready

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to try it.
And so then I left that and I

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became a comedian and then it
became science comedian.

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And so this path like but the
whole time kind of like what

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what she said that previous
guest.

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Yeah.
Karen Dr. Karen.

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The I just sort of was
following.

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Maybe I was just following the
path of least resistance, but if

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I want to I a more positive take
would be I was just following

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like what felt right.
It's like, I'm glad I learned

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this, but I'm going to do this
now.

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Now I'm going to do this.
And where I've come to now, I

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basically use all those things,
all of those things, irrelevant.

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Now, I do, you know, I have a
nicer video set up here than

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most people because I'm bringing
my video background to it.

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I'm using a DSLR and a nice
microphone and lights and what

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The lights aren't really set up
but it looks OK.

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Good to me.
Yeah.

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So in the end, you know, I don't
know if you've, there's a

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comment, there's a video on
YouTube from Stanford University

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and it's Steve Jobs giving a
commencement speech.

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I show it to all my high school
students every.

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Year it's only about 20 minutes
long and it's and he's like has

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like 3 main things he wants to
talk about and one of them is

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what I just said.
It's that like looking back at

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my career, you never knew when
you were doing it.

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But when I look back, it's
almost like all those pieces

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were stepping stones to hear.
Like it makes sense when you

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look back at it, but it wasn't
planned that way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He, he says you can't connect

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the dots looking forward, only
looking back.

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And you have that faith in
something going forward, you

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know, and that's passion, the
universe, God, whatever it might

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be, and.
And then mostly it was following

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what felt right.
It's like, oh, like following

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the passion the whole time.
I guess it could lead you

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astray, but it worked out.
When I get to be and there's a

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little bit of the teacher in me,
so I get to give science first

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of all.
Some of my comedy might be a

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little educational, where I make
science subjects kind of fun or

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funny.
I also give talks to help

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scientists be better
communicators.

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Which is really important.
Yeah, so some gigs that I have,

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like I love just performing
comedy, but like in the summer

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I'll have this gig in Germany
and then I'm going to go to the

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University of Mines, Maine.
It looks like Maine's but.

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And as part of a speaker series,
it's like the physics

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department.
And they'll have like this

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colloquium and.
And most of their speakers are

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physicists.
Yeah, but I will be giving a

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talk on science communication
and my path maybe.

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And so it's like, so I get to
use my video skills.

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What I do is both art and
science and education.

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And it's just like it involves
all these, like the skills I've

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picked up along the way or
developed.

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I, I, I think I have AI, have AI
have a couple of thoughts and a

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couple of questions.
Follow up questions.

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First of all, I, the entire, I,
I, you know, the entire old, old

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school of Hollywood was founded
on Jews in the similar

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situations to you whose parents
wanted them to be doctors and

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lawyers and they said, screw
this, I want to do something

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fun.
And they ran off to to

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California and just build.
I can make movies about doctors.

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And, and the other observation
that I actually, that I, that I

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had recently, and it's so cool
to see this actually apply to

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you is I think that creativity
comes out best in people when

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they feel like they're being
stifled.

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I think that that is whether you
and that could happen like a

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cultural level, you know, like
with the counterculture, the

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whole counterculture world, the
Sixties, 70's rock jam bands,

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you know, like the psychedelic
and hippie era.

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That was all born from a group
of people feeling like

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disillusioned with the world,
suppressed by the world around

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them.
And like they like they were

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just trying to figure out a way
to like be themselves And like,

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it's loaded into like this
incredible, you know, culture,

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you know, pros and cons, of
course, but but that happens to

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people on individual levels too.
And you know, and to go from

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being pre Med, getting ready to
go to Med school, being a

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science oriented person, like, I
mean, I could even imagine old

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school Jewish family, if you if,
if their son came back to them

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and be like, guys, I hate to
break it to you, I'm not going

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to Med school.
I'm going to be a physicist.

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You know, like they'll be
disappointed on one end.

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Like they come back and go, I'm
taking a year off and I'm going

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to movie to to to to, to design
to, you know, to, to, to the

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film school.
What was what was that react?

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What was their reaction?
You know what?

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You just reminded me of several
different things.

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The last thing you just reminded
me of was many years ago, I saw

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there is a remake of film The
Jazz Singer with Neil Diamond.

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And he was supposed to probably,
like his father, become a

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Cantor, but he wanted to be a
rock star.

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And so, you know, he had to
break the family's heart.

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You know, my father was an
accountant.

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And I think things like, I think
in a way I had more like 100%

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support from my mother than my
father because my father is

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like, if you instantly became
rich and successful at it, then

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he's all on board.
So that was his concern.

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And I think my mom was more
concerned that you do what you

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like.
And so I know that was tough to,

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it's like such a tease to begin
to study for the MCAT and, and

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all this and then go, I'm not
doing this.

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This isn't, this is what you
want, but it's not really what I

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want.
And that's a hard thing to do

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sometimes.
We people in general, in all

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parts of your life, like to not
be bent by other people's

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expectations and to to realize
this is your dream.

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For me, it's not my dream
exactly.

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And I hate to break your heart,
but the other but two other

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little things you reminded me
of, I remember.

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I don't know whatever came of
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guy in a filmmaker in the Bay
Area and he was making a

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documentary about why there are
so many Jews in comedy way out

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of proportion to their numbers
in the population.

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Why do Jews dominate in
Hollywood and in and in comedy

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in particular is what he was
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And, and then, you know, that
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And in the recent several
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minorities that have been held
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up.
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black comics and Asian comics
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Comics.
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In America politically
libertarian and right leaning

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comics now.
Which like you could.

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Thanks so much.
Definitely say we're definitely

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considered a minority,
especially in the corporate

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world or the, you know, whatever
kind of world that like they

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definitely like for sure.
And you see the same kind of

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rise now.
So is there something there

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because you hear up and been
during the Holocaust or

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something like like that.
Sometimes some humor is born out

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of being repressed or being
torn, you know, like art in

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general.
There's this idea that art in

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general, any, any art form is
that like, it comes out of

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suffering and pain and torture
and that if you had a really

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messed up childhood.
And in fact, like I wrote a

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little joke about how I, my
parent, I was never abused or

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even neglected.
Like, I feel like I could have

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been a much better artist, but I
was never abused.

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And I blame my parents because I
could have been.

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Why didn't you know, you took
too good care of me.

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I could have been a greater
artist.

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Andrew Schultz has a very
similar joke where he says all I

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have to do to make he goes, I
I'm happy I had a girl, he goes,

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but it requires a lot more work
because if I had a boy to make

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him great, all I had to do was
just ignore him or beat him up

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every now and then.
He's like then he would have

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been great and I wouldn't end of
it, but and then.

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So the but the thing that you
said was about like where, like

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like part of the I don't
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about where what gives birth?
The feeling of being suppressed,

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the feeling of depression leads
to like this kind of what?

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Needing to break out and need to
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Really.
Well, I I've had the opportunity

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to do these a couple really
interesting events with Brian

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May, the guitarist from Queen,
who also has a PhD in

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astrophysics.
He he complete, he was working

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on it before Queen.
That's what he was studying.

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Was that in the film?
Was that in the movie Bohemian

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Rhapsody?
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Mentioned on it because all of

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them were pretty good students
in in in different fields and he

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but he was studying astrophysics
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He had papers published.
He had a co-authored paper in

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Nature.
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Then.
Like by 1970 or something, he

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was pretty getting pretty busy
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But when he was like 59 years
old, he, that's the kind of guy

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he is.
He completed his PhD and so he's

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Doctor Brian May and then he was
knighted.

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So he's Sir Doctor and he's an
animal rights activist and an

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evangelist and publisher of 3D
photography, which is how I.

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What's 3D photography?
What's that?

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What is 3D photography?
Well, you know, like 3D movies

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and so and and three DI wish I
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I almost do.
But before 3D movies, there were

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the these classic like the
stereoscope where it's this like

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maybe a wooden device and you
put your eyes up to it.

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And all it is, is a simple way
of there's two images and one

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represents the view from your
left eye and one from your right

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eye.
And the reason we have depth

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perception is because of having
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And our brain builds this 3D
World out of these two different

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views.
And if you close one eye, you'd,

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or if you lose one eye, you
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because you don't have true
depth perception.

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Yeah, Now, you know, like I
close one eye, I still know that

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those shelves are behind this
camera.

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You know what I mean?
Like there are.

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Other people protect the focus
and they close one eye when

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they're aiming for something.
They're really just making it

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harder for themselves.
Yeah, that's an interesting

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thought.
I don't know, but the 3D

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photography, what involves is
taking 2 pictures from slightly

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different angles.
And then when you see like a

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stereo card that you would place
in one of these stereoscopes,

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all it is you would look at a
glance, it looks like the same

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image twice, but they are.
But just like our two eyes, it's

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2 slightly different angles.
And then when you the

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stereoscope, just make sure that
your left eye sees one and your

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right eye sees the other.
When you go to a 3D movie, they

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might be projecting the two
different images with polarized

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light.
And light can be polarized in

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different ways.
So like 1 image is being

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polarized One Direction and the
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And then you wear these glasses,
and that means this lens only

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lets you see one.
Set of.

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Images and the other lens only
lets you see the other images.

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And so that's a clever way.
And it used to be the green,

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blue, you know, same thing.
And those different lenses.

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It's these are all just ways of
serving up one image to the left

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eye and a different, slightly
different image to your right

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eye.
And then you can have 3D,

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whether it's film or like a
little stereo card.

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And anyway, so this was all to
say, Brian May and this

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astrophysics physicist friend of
his started an event called

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Starmus.
It's like star and music, our

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mus music, and every year or two
they'll have one of these events

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and they have astronauts and
scientists and musicians and

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artists.
It's a great.

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It's all about art and science
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Where is it?
It moves around the I did it

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once in Zurich and I did it once
in Bratislava, Slovakia, and

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there's one coming up later this
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Or in.
Tenerife it's so this was a lot

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to get to the point relevant to
what you said, because one of

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his friends that's, that's
involved on the, on the board of

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Starmiss is Brian Eno, great
musician, producer.

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And I, I overheard I, I was
sitting in and, and listening to

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a conversation between Brian and
it was the year this Apollo 11

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documentary came out and it was
in 20/19.

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It was the 50th anniversary of
Apollo 11's landing on the moon.

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And so the guy that did the
music for the documentary was

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talking to Brian Eno.
They're talking about music.

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And Brian Eno said something
really interesting.

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He said that sometimes when he
like, downloads some music app

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and plays with it and there's a
premium, but there's a free

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version that's hobbled and then
there's a premium version that

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has all the bells and whistles.
He likes to start with the free

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hobbled version because it
forces you to work within

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limitations.
It doesn't do all the things the

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fancy version does.
Let's see what you can do when

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we force these limitations on
you before he goes and he plays

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with the full 1 and it's like
it's just you see the connection

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there.
It's like, oh, like, how is how

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can it force you to be creative
by really limit?

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Like if you were told you're
great artist, but you can only

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use a pencil instead of all your
paints or you can only use

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charcoal or you know, like all
of a sudden, well, what can you

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do with this limitation?
And you see what people do with

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all sorts of crazy limitations.
It's incredible.

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It's really yeah.
And it's and that's how you get

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some of the coolest inventions
and, you know, but you need.

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And this is actually something
that I actually, I also wanted

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to talk to you about because I,
I was running through some of

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the YouTube videos that that you
have.

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And one common theme I saw a lot
was about the repeating the

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expression, you know, about not
growing up and, and.

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I haven't noticed this.
I, I saw that a bunch, it came

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up a bunch.
And one of the things, but, but

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I think that, and, you know,
and, and a lot of the great

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creatives, the great
communicators, the real, you

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know, they always say, you know,
they're always saying things

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like getting older, but don't
grow up.

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And like, you know, and, and,
and I think what they generally

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tend to try to say or imply is
that growing up is more of a

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mindset of like, I get how
things work.

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And like I've taken, I, I've
understood the world and now I'm

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going to navigate within the
world that I understand.

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And not growing up is still
looking at everything like it

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could kind of be broken and put
back together again.

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And it gives you a lot more room
for play and for playful kind of

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whether it's, it's, whether it's
learning or science or, you

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know, different, different
experimental forms of comedy or

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whatever it is that you're going
to be doing.

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You talk about some of the
values of of that kind of

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mentality and how we can why
it's necessary to adopt it.

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Well, so interestingly, I when I
give science communication

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talks, I usually call my talk A
Science Comedian's Guide to

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Communicating Science.
And I draw from a little bit

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from my experiences as a
comedian, but then also now

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years of being a science
communicator.

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So it's not just that, but I
started seeing all sorts of

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connections between comedy and
science and comedians and

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scientists.
So obviously when you talk about

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not growing up, comedians are an
obvious group of so immature and

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not and always being silly and
light hearted and but you know

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that that's so a slightly
negative.

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That's all like almost like, you
know, critical take on it.

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But there's also the the not
growing up and not losing your

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childlike wonder with the world,
and scientists are very much

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like that.
A scientist might dedicate not

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only their career, but their
life to like understanding.

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Why does that bug do that?
Why you're look at that weird,

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like noticing something that
most people you know when you

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grow up, you start paying
attention to more important

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things like your mortgage and
your children and your and and

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you, and you might lose that
childlike wonder.

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You get hardened by life and
all, but anyone that can hang on

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to that, you can have a little
of both.

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You can, you can mature a little
bit, but still look at the world

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through these fresh eyes and the
joy and the wonder of child,

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that childlike wonder.
And so scientists and, you know,

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there's this other connection
that I feel like both scientists

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and comedians see, see patterns
and connections.

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Like sometimes you hear a
comedian, there are different

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kinds of comedy.
Like sometimes a comedian says

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stuff that you're just like,
that's crazy.

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I've never heard anything like
that.

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And other times it's that sort
of, Oh my God, like it's like, I

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have noticed this before or, but
a lot of times comedians notice

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things that we haven't noticed
before.

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It's like, Oh my God, I never
connected that.

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And you might and you might make
an analogy and and if I

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connected to this and you go,
wow.

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So I saw a connection that no
one saw before.

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And scientists also many science
discoveries are that same thing.

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It's everyone has looked at this
for thousands of years and

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you're the first person to
notice this strange little thing

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and make a connection that's
towards understanding.

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So I think that that's kind of
that says there's that it's

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important to not grow up in a
way that it's important to to

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sometimes see the world with
that child, those childlike eyes

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and don't let that get beaten
out of you by some kind of

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formal education or some kind of
experiences and the need to deal

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with life, life.
Yeah, it's important to be a

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little heretical every, every
now and then, especially as an

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Orthodox Jew, right?
Yeah.

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Yeah, I get myself in a little
bit.

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00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Of trouble are you?
You're an Orthodox Jew.

449
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you.

450
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,400
Know what's funny?
Yeah, I have some.

451
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,720
You know, I've done a lot of
Jewish shows over the years and

452
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,800
I've always had some Jewish
material.

453
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,840
And one, one of the things that
must be is like, well, is that

454
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,880
people like that there are
different degrees of Judaism,

455
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,560
like murder, like so there's
Orthodox Jews and I go, they

456
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,200
follow like 714 commandments
now.

457
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,160
I'm sorry, that's how many home
runs Babe Ruth hit.

458
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,720
And then there's like
Conservative Jews that are like

459
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,400
the porridge in the middle,
right?

460
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,320
And we were Reformed Jews, like
the criminals.

461
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,400
And what that meant is like, we
would take off school for the

462
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Jewish holidays, but we wouldn't
go to temple.

463
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,400
We'd go to Galveston, the beach,
you know, right.

464
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,360
So we observed the holidays from
a distance.

465
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,720
Sure, from a distance from the
beach.

466
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,960
Yeah, Excellent.
It's too funny, by the way,

467
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,240
because, you know.
Yeah, yeah, totally.

468
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,480
I love I all the flavors have
been.

469
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,760
You know what, one of my
simplest jokes that I can't

470
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,240
believe I've never like 2 one is
not being very religious.

471
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520
I'm just sort of Jewish.
Right.

472
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,800
Which many other comedians have
come up with that joke, it turns

473
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,320
out, but one that's almost as
simple as that.

474
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,600
And as far as I know, I've never
heard anyone else.

475
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,920
I tried to research, like,
sometimes you go see if anyone

476
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,600
else wrote this joke before, and
it's that two Jews walk into a

477
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,760
bar mitzvah.
OK there.

478
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,800
You go.
It's so silly.

479
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,000
It's so obvious.
It's just two Jews walk into a

480
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,280
bar.
Has been said a billion times.

481
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,240
And like mitzvah, I just like
that one word that changes it.

482
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,640
Yeah.
It's fun, It's fun.

483
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,480
It's fun, by the way.
That's the type of comedy that

484
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,800
speaks to that speaks to me the
most, is I like to be LED down

485
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,720
one path expecting something and
then and then I love to have the

486
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,200
rug pulled out from under me and
like, you know.

487
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,960
That's just good writing.
That's just like surprise.

488
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080
A lot of comedy is about
surprise.

489
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,120
Sure, sure.
Yeah.

490
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,000
And and just, you know, just.
One word, yeah.

491
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,320
There's a there's a great,
there's the comedian Sam Morrell

492
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,600
had a great line where he goes,
you know, this content's not

493
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,880
going to go well with this
crowd.

494
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,840
He's like, but structurally it's
a great joke.

495
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,720
Trust me.
He's like, you know, like they

496
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000
might not like the material, but
like, I've worked on this, you

497
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,960
know, like you've done.
We, we, we put the work into it.

498
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,640
It's it's important.
You know, there was this most

499
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:08,560
people nowadays only know Woody
Allen now for other stuff, but

500
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,640
for his film career.
But he was an amazing stand up

501
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,920
comic in his early days.
And his stand up was mostly just

502
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,600
squeaky clean and brilliantly
funny.

503
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,400
And one of his simple little
jokes that is like perfect

504
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,960
example of this is that he, he
pulls out this pocket watch and

505
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,960
he goes, there's a great watch.
My grandfather on his deathbed

506
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,200
sold me this water.
And you're like, what's great

507
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
about it is like, you hear what
he's saying and then you're

508
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,240
like, you know what he's going
to say.

509
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,840
He's going to say my grand, his
grandfather gave him.

510
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,760
So you, you totally know what
he's going to say.

511
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,680
And then one word switches the
whole thing.

512
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,080
And that's very that's brilliant
writing.

513
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,600
And and one other example is
there was she was, she's still

514
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,480
around.
I think it's, ah, crap.

515
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,240
Is it Elaine Boozler or Oh, I
might be confused.

516
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,840
I think it was Elaine Boozler.
Brilliant joke where she said I

517
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,720
have no kids.
Well, at least none that I know

518
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
about.
And what's great about that is

519
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
that is a thing that men have
said forever.

520
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560
And it's kind of funny, mildly
amusing.

521
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,920
And she realized that if a woman
is so much.

522
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Funnier and.
You don't even change one word.

523
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,240
You don't even change a
syllable.

524
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,720
You say the exact same thing,
but put it in the mouth of a

525
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,200
woman and it becomes a much
funnier joke.

526
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Yeah, for sure.
I did.

527
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,720
I was, I did a podcast.
It's.

528
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,440
Either Carol Leafer or I think
it was Carol Leafer or Elaine

529
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,920
Boozler.
I'm confused now.

530
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,160
One of those great female
comics.

531
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,920
Yeah.
I I was, I was saying I did a

532
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,520
podcast with a gentleman that's
a Bob Dylan scholar last week.

533
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Yeah, really cool.
We had a lot of fun.

534
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,760
I never did an hour and a half
talk of judged about Bob Dylan,

535
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,920
but it turned out to be more fun
than I thought it would be.

536
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,880
And one thing that we talked
about was the, and, and he

537
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,840
writes about this actually in a
book that he wrote, but that the

538
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,160
voice and the way that it's said
has everything to do.

539
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Like basically was discussing
delivery, you know, and

540
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,280
obviously to stand up comics,
it's, you know, it's one thing

541
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,000
into musicians.
It's, it's almost the same

542
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200
thing, but in a, in a very
similar tone, you know, you can

543
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,560
say the same sentence 5
different ways.

544
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,000
And, and that's, I, I learned
about that in Shakespeare class

545
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,360
because you know, I, I, you
know, we, we in, in college, you

546
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,560
know, I, I was a creative
writing literature major and I,

547
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,440
you know, I'm in my Shakespeare
class.

548
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,880
I'm dreading, I'm, I'm not
looking forward to it because I,

549
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,600
you know, it was like, I was in
the degree for the writing, not

550
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,440
for the literature.
And and then I, and then, and

551
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,960
then the teacher made like 5 or
7 different guy people get up

552
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,680
and deliver the same line in
their own way.

553
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,040
And that's when like my, that's
my whole perception of writing

554
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760
and you know, and, and
performing just immediately

555
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,840
shattered.
And I was like this.

556
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,400
And, and then I have AI have a
uncle that used to work for ABC.

557
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,720
And so he, he used to get
screenplays sent in to, to vote

558
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,080
for best for best script.
And he'd give them to me.

559
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,080
And I'm reading these
screenplays and I'm watching the

560
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,840
movies after I read them and
like this screenplay was so much

561
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,480
better.
What are you talking about over

562
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,960
here?
You know, but like, it's all

563
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,840
it's all about, it's all about
the delivery and it's all about

564
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,480
the way that you that you
embody.

565
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,320
And not only are you embodying
the idea, but you're also

566
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,360
turning it into your own thing.
And then you're sharing that

567
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,520
with everyone else as well.
You know, the way that you're

568
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,760
going to deliver these jokes is
coming through your like who

569
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,800
Brian is, you know, like it's
like flowing through you and and

570
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,720
I'll say the same line, but you
know, and I'll and I'll try to

571
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,840
embody you, but end up doing it
my own way and like that'll hit

572
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,680
totally differently, you know,
and that's what makes things

573
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,320
fun.
There was this great independent

574
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,640
film called Passion Fish.
I think John Sayles might be the

575
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:05,160
director, but Passion Fish and
that McConnell, what's her first

576
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,400
name?
I don't know.

577
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,840
If you ever watched Battlestar
Galactica, she was the

578
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,560
president.
I can't think of her first name,

579
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,120
but in this, there's this scene
where someone is describing an

580
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,080
actor is describing an audition
and it was just one line.

581
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,120
And they were like really
obsessing over how to say this

582
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,640
one line, all the different
reads the line.

583
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,480
It must have been a UFO thing
they were auditioning for.

584
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,760
And and it's like I think the
line is I didn't expect the anal

585
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,720
probe and they're going, I
didn't expect the anal probe.

586
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,400
I didn't expect the anal probe
you.

587
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Know I didn't.
Expect the anal probe, you know,

588
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,160
I didn't expect, you know, like
they're just obsessing.

589
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,720
Like what's the perfect read of
this one line?

590
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,280
You know I didn't and expect the
anal probe, you know, you know.

591
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Yeah, but there's so.
Much you can do with it, Yeah.

592
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,360
And I've actually seen, you
know, other like I've seen

593
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,440
videos talk about like actors,
like directors talking about

594
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,320
actors and just doing surprising
reads.

595
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,880
I think there was a, a, some
video I saw a director talking,

596
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:28,199
I think about Christopher Walken
and how each time each take he

597
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,880
did like like a shockingly
different take.

598
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,960
And you're like, Oh my God, that
was perfect.

599
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,600
And then let's do it again.
And he gives this completely,

600
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,480
where he brings something else
to the scene, but the words are

601
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,480
exactly the same.
Incredible.

602
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Yeah, Incredible what?
So, you know, Speaking of

603
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,880
heresy, which is how we even got
here.

604
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,159
Finally, a subject I.
Know.

605
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,920
Well, I mean, you know, I think,
I think it's I think I think

606
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,440
most creative people have a
healthy dose of heresy to them.

607
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,880
And like, why can't I do it this
way?

608
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,600
A little bit of defiance in that
kind of way.

609
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,280
And that and, and, and, and I
think that what you said is

610
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,280
extremely true that scientists
and stand up comics have to both

611
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,480
have, you know, this real
different way of looking at

612
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,640
things, but it's but they're in
common then stepping in line

613
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,480
with one another.
And there's something about, you

614
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,760
know, I want, and maybe you
could speak to this the content

615
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,840
when you're delivering a joke,
you can say things that you

616
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,280
cannot, that you cannot get away
with and any other context.

617
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,640
And it can be something that
everyone was thinking that no

618
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,480
one is willing to say.
And there's something about the

619
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,120
fact that you're protected by
this like moment where you're

620
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,360
like, hey, I'm on the stage with
a microphone.

621
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,880
And the purpose here is to
laugh.

622
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,920
So, like, if you don't laugh,
I'm sorry.

623
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,680
But like, it's all in this
spirit, you know?

624
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,880
But you can really, really
effectively teach, you know,

625
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,360
like, get different things,
different points across that

626
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,200
people would not be able to hear
in any other context.

627
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,320
Do you agree with that?
Or can you give me some

628
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,360
examples, you know, some of some
ideas of that?

629
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,880
Absolutely.
On stage and off.

630
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,920
I've always known that that I
could get away with saying some

631
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,920
stuff and some of it it has to
do with your personality and on

632
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,760
stage this goes on stage and off
that that I can say something

633
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,560
that might sound mean, but like
the way I say it and the smile

634
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,000
that I flash, like, you know,
I'm not serious.

635
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:43,240
And I, I had a line where I was
talking about like about just

636
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,320
getting really frustrated with
beautiful people.

637
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,880
It was talking about a, an old
VH1 on scene on VH1, a video

638
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,040
with Ricky Martin and Christina
Aguilera and how we over the top

639
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640
beautiful both of them are.
But and that, and I would start

640
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,040
the thing by saying to the
audience, I've started getting

641
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400
really frustrated with beautiful
people.

642
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,960
I don't mean anyone here and
then and so like I would say

643
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,800
that kind of under my breath,
which is like insulting the

644
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,760
entire audience.
But you know that that's just

645
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,000
it's an absurd.
Of course, I'm not insulting the

646
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,560
audience.
That's just a joke.

647
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:23,160
And yeah, this applies all the
time.

648
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,200
We can get away with stuff,
although you can also it can

649
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,080
also backfire in in comedy.
It's like there is this thing

650
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,960
where comedians have caught some
Flack for things they've said on

651
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,880
stage, where it's almost as if,
well, you're quoting him Like

652
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,640
that's just something he said
off stage and not, you know,

653
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,720
even in an interview, a comedian
might be being funny, but but

654
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,360
you can't always quote a
comedian and go look what he

655
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,880
said.
It's like he was on stage in the

656
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,560
middle of a comedy routine when
he said that.

657
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,320
And so maybe there's some non
verb, maybe there's some

658
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,000
contacts and stuff that you go.
It wasn't a horrible thing he

659
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,320
said.
He was just being funny and and

660
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,440
sarcastic like that.
Like when I dismiss the whole

661
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,040
audience is not don't worry, I'm
talking about beautiful people.

662
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,280
It doesn't this doesn't apply to
any of y'all.

663
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,360
You know, that's like obviously
I'm, I'm not being that big of a

664
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,240
Dick.
I'm being I'm, I'm, I'm just

665
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,200
kidding.
I'm teasing pulling your pigtail

666
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,280
and then and, and it's OK to
bring it over to science,

667
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,960
though, as far as heresy,
because, Oh yeah, you can get

668
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,680
away with a lot.
I think there's more to say on

669
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,000
comedy.
But the first thing I thought of

670
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,000
was I have a relationship.
I've been working with this

671
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,120
meeting in Germany called the
Lindao Lindao is a town.

672
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,280
It's like Linda with AU at the
end, the Lindao Nobel laureate

673
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,480
meeting.
And every year, this is their

674
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,920
75th year, they bring in a
couple dozen Nobel laureates.

675
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,640
But this year for their 75th
anniversary, it's going to be 75

676
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:13,480
Nobel warriors, I think, and 600
young scientists carefully

677
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,480
curated from all around the
world, maybe 90 countries.

678
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,440
And it's all about mentorship.
It's really an amazing

679
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,480
organization and meeting, and
I've been privileged to be a

680
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,760
part of it for 10 years.
I, they hired me to perform 10

681
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,480
years ago, but for fun, I was
walking around interviewing

682
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,840
scientists and that that led to
conversations.

683
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,840
So I've never performed at the
meeting a second time, but I

684
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,200
come in, they hire me to do good
interviews and I'm not even

685
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,040
being a comedian.
I'm just giving good interviews.

686
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,840
I might be funny, but I'm not
there to be a comedian.

687
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,480
I'm there to be a good
interviewer, which I love to do.

688
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,680
Talk to these young scientists,
talk to Nobel laureate.

689
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,800
So I've had the opportunity.
So in the course of. 30 years or

690
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,600
so, I've interviewed a lot of
scientists and authors and other

691
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,280
interesting people.
There's a guy, a Nobel laureate

692
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:18,160
out of Israel, his name is Danny
Scheckman, and he came up with

693
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,160
something, he discovered
something called quasi crystals

694
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,200
and what he's, his words were
this is something that shouldn't

695
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,360
exist.
It was forbidden by the

696
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,680
literature.
Like there are forms of matter

697
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,280
that like crystals are a kind of
matter and you know, we got gas,

698
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,720
liquid solids, we have crystals
and but this idea of quasi

699
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,640
crystals, he said, was forbidden
by the literature.

700
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:51,920
So it would be heretical to say
that this is like and like often

701
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,640
happens when a comedian or
filmmaker or musician is ahead

702
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,560
of their time and isn't
appreciated till later some

703
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,360
scientific discoveries.
It was like there was so much

704
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,200
resistance.
And at the time, the most famous

705
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,200
chemist in the world was Linus
Pauling.

706
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,880
And he was a he was like a
double Nobel Prize.

707
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,200
He because he had won a Peace
Prize and a chemistry prize, I

708
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:23,360
think.
And he was very opposed to this.

709
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,960
It was like no.
And he even said there are no

710
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,240
quasi crystals, only quasi
scientists.

711
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,320
He was rude about it.
And and then, and then he had

712
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,560
the nerve to die before Danny
Scheckman was validated and won

713
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,200
the Nobel Prize.
He he did.

714
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,760
But unfortunately, Pauline
wasn't there to have it rubbed

715
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,520
in his face, you know, like, but
he's like, how rude to, to, to

716
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,400
say of some young scientist.
And he was wrong and he was

717
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,960
wrong.
And so, yeah, so he had this

718
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:03,000
heretical idea and it turned out
to be true against all this

719
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,480
resistance that he had to keep
pursuing the research when I'm

720
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,880
sure he was told, stop this line
of research, you're wasting your

721
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,440
time.
Yeah.

722
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:18,120
So that brings me to, I think a
really important and relevant

723
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,680
question in today's world, which
is that institutions are like

724
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,080
objectively pretty much have
collapsed as far as public, you

725
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,440
know, trust of them have go.
You know, whether it's

726
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,360
universities, whether it's
public health, whether it's

727
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,600
government, it does it like no
one seems to take banks for

728
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,320
sure.
Obviously, you know, like no one

729
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,800
trusts like anyone or anything
anymore.

730
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Yeah, it's a dangerous place to
be a dangerous place to be

731
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,960
nowadays, you know, from a
patient's perspective or from a

732
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,760
management perspective.
And and, you know, there's and I

733
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,520
think one of the reasons why is
because the institutions had

734
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,040
overplayed their position of
authority and the people that

735
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,880
were quoted as heretics for a
lot of things, you know, are

736
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,880
turning out to have turned out
to be correct.

737
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,440
You know, and like, you know,
there's these great memes going

738
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,840
on the Internet of like the 2016
conspiracy theorists and like

739
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,120
2024 news or 2025 news trying to
catch up with them and, you

740
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,880
know, all these cute little
stick, but.

741
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,520
How do we?
How do you think you could be be

742
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,440
your people can be discerning
about like an idea that's really

743
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,160
interesting, even though it's a
radical or idea that's a radical

744
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,440
because it's lunacy and
craziness, because that's really

745
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,840
going to be the real issue that
I think that everyone's coming

746
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,680
up with AI and you know, and,
and, and social media and like

747
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,480
this collapse of, of faith in
any kind of objective

748
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,360
institution.
Like what do you, what do you

749
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,320
got to do?
You think it seems crazy,

750
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,800
doesn't it?
Yeah.

751
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,920
You know, this is a terrible
challenge these days.

752
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,440
There is so much misinformation
out there.

753
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,920
And, you know, with the rise of
social media and all these

754
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,280
platforms, you know, it's this.
It's incredible.

755
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,000
It's this thing that each new
technology, we think about the

756
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,280
promise what how television, oh,
my God, it's going to

757
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,000
revolutionize education and the
world and all of this.

758
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,600
And in some ways it does.
But then there was this I, I

759
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,920
have a line I wrote that is like
unforeseen consequences are very

760
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,440
hard to predict.
And, and The thing is, they come

761
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,680
with that.
They're like, you go social

762
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,600
media right at the beginning.
It's like, oh wow, some of these

763
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,080
platforms, it's like you can
connect with people, you know,

764
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,640
maybe you're into some little
niche thing and in your town

765
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:43,840
there aren't many people into
it.

766
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,200
And all of a sudden you found
your people spread around the

767
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,720
world thanks to this platform,
whether it was e-mail or, or a

768
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,680
social media platform and a
group.

769
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,480
So there are all these positive
aspects, but holy crap, we've

770
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:03,120
seen from previous elections all
the, the, the way it could be

771
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,080
abused for spreading for, you
know, we have, we live in a

772
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,840
world where there's really bad
actors spreading bad information

773
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,640
on purpose.
Yeah, everywhere, everywhere.

774
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,840
By the way, I want to make both
spectrum literally everywhere.

775
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,920
It's crazy and.
Then even short of the really

776
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,360
evil bad actors, we have other
people in like Health Science,

777
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,280
so much misinformation and anti
vax stuff and and and flat

778
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,000
earthers and moon landing
deniers and where somebody with

779
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,400
a microphone starts speaking
authoritatively on this subject

780
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:47,000
filled with misinformation.
And yeah, it's very problematic

781
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,080
because so often something I
noticed about conspiracy

782
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:56,040
theories is that so often when
you hear when you don't know

783
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:01,960
better and you hear one of these
conspiracies, you're like, oh,

784
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,640
wow.
Oh, it sounds very compelling

785
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,720
and it could be true.
But then when you hear someone

786
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:14,000
explain like like the moon
landing ones are very

787
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,960
frustrating.
It's just so part of it is like

788
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,720
most older people, like it's a
newer phenomenon because an

789
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:26,920
older generation that's my age
or a little older, they we were

790
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,200
all there for it and experienced
it.

791
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,360
And now you have young kids who
think we didn't, we couldn't

792
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,720
possibly have had the technology
to do that.

793
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,760
And it's like, yeah, we we did.
I know it seems like it was

794
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,200
ancient times to you, but it
really wasn't.

795
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,080
And we could do things like
this, like some of the, you

796
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:50,040
know, but like, like one of the
dumbest moon landing ones is,

797
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,760
I'm sorry, if you're a moon
landing denier, they'll go.

798
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,080
How come in all these photos on
the moon, you don't see the

799
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,840
stars?
And then some people go, right,

800
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,560
it's because it's in a studio.
It's like these things never

801
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,120
make sense for multiple reasons.
Because if NASA wanted to, don't

802
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,720
you think they could have added
stars to the image if they had

803
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,720
to fake it?
You know what I mean?

804
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:18,760
Like they would but the but, but
it's just like, it's like, yeah,

805
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,280
how come you can't see any
stars?

806
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,920
There's the black sky.
Why don't you see any stars?

807
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,040
And, but, and it sounds
compelling if you don't know a

808
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,520
single thing about photography.
But if you know anything about

809
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,400
photography, you go, Oh, well,
that's 'cause the surface of the

810
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,240
moon is really bright.
So if you want, if you, what

811
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,920
I've been saying is about the
flag, the flag, the the flag.

812
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,160
Yeah, that's a tougher 1 that is
like, so some of these sound

813
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,400
compelling, like this one is
just photography.

814
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,000
If you if you shut the lens down
to it so that the bright surface

815
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,240
is exposed, it's just like when
you walk outside at night and

816
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,640
your eyes haven't adjusted.
You can't see the stars yet.

817
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,800
And if there's a light in your
eye, you will not see the stars

818
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,360
if it's.
Interesting.

819
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:01,640
We don't.
See the cars in the daytime

820
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,760
here?
Because it's too bright and

821
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,160
they're not.
I never heard the star.

822
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,520
I never heard the star.
This star argument, the one I

823
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,040
the the main one that I heard
was.

824
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:10,920
This is.
It's one of the most.

825
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,480
Common.
The.

826
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Flag one and do you know OK, so
that's like how come the flag

827
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,200
moved if there's no air and it's
like it's vibrating they stuck

828
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,800
it in the ground and there's no
air to slow it down.

829
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Even so, it.
Did.

830
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,000
This and it's just flopping a
little because the thing it's

831
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,160
really.
Cool by the way.

832
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,320
But how come that answer I I
never heard that answer.

833
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,840
You know everyone ever said
that.

834
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,480
Here's another one.
Where's the information we're

835
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,520
talking about this off camera.
You know, we're we're saying

836
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,080
that that that, that there's
information vacuums with with a

837
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,240
lot of this stuff and yeah and
and I've.

838
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,960
It's so hard and I don't know
the answer because to your basic

839
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,080
question, it's like what do we
do?

840
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Because it's a matter of who you
trust for information.

841
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,360
This is a political thing and
it's also could be anything if.

842
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,640
You.
If you decide Anthony Fauci is

843
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,520
evil and a liar, and then it's
like, whereas the entire

844
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,480
scientific and medical
establishment think he's this,

845
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,320
he's done a, he's an amazing guy
that's done all this good and

846
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,520
these other people think he's
supposed to be in prison.

847
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,920
It's like somebody's wrong.
Yeah, but there's, but there's

848
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,760
objective ways that you can
measure that, right?

849
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Like you can you can match up
the words of the record.

850
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,360
You can match, you can match
like there are ways that you can

851
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,360
that you can like do basic fact
checking.

852
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,160
And I, I think what you're
saying is correct that people

853
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,400
tend to jump to political
conclusions before they even

854
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,840
bother doing that type of
homework.

855
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,480
And so you just say you kind of
hop on a band bandwagon.

856
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,320
Fauci's good.
Fauci's bad, but.

857
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,360
Who do you choose?
If I choose to trust this

858
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,400
YouTube, then I just.
It's like it's saying.

859
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,800
So but that goes back to my
state.

860
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,840
People decide who they're going
to trust.

861
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,120
But that goes back to the
original question, which is that

862
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,120
with institute with with the
collapse of institutional faith,

863
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,760
right?
Because people have been feeling

864
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,920
let down then like, how do you,
and then, and then how do you

865
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,280
know which institutions are BS
ING?

866
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,040
Because certain ones certainly
do.

867
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,800
And you know, and there's
certainly no question about

868
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,960
that.
How do you, you know, like then

869
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,120
conspiracy theories, the best
things that conspiracy theorists

870
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:16,320
can possibly have is evidence,
because then it makes it, it

871
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,240
validates their case.
I say this, you know, drives me

872
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,200
crazy about Candace Owens's show
in particular, because I think

873
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,040
that she, I don't have patience
to listen.

874
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,880
The one, the two or three times
I've tried, the thing I've

875
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,200
noticed that really struck me
was she dissects information

876
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,120
remarkably well and puts it back
together incredibly poorly.

877
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,600
So she's really, really good at
like poking holes, examining

878
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,720
things from different
perspectives.

879
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,000
That inquisitive mind is very,
very valuable.

880
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,120
The question is, how do you put
the pieces back together?

881
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,640
I listened, you know, and
especially now because Israel

882
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,000
and Judaism and everything has
been in the, in the limelight of

883
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,440
society really, really in the
last couple of years.

884
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,760
You know, I listen to people go
on different podcasts, Julian

885
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,720
Dory or Joe Rogan or, you know,
whoever it is Lux Freeman and,

886
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,680
and, and, and you hear people
say things.

887
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,000
And as an Orthodox Jew that has
experience with Orthodox

888
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,120
community, I'm like, again, the
premise of what you like there,

889
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,600
there, there is like grains of
truth in what you're saying, but

890
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,960
like, I don't know where you're,
I don't know where you're

891
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,000
getting this information from
and who's teaching you this.

892
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,720
And so, and, and, and, and only
when I noticed how, how strongly

893
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:27,320
the reality deviated as far as
like Judaism goes from like what

894
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,680
the, the way with information
being presented in the public

895
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,880
was the first time that I really
said, I could really see how

896
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,960
people are really fooled by
conspiracy theories because

897
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,920
they're and dressed up and even
presented with some with, with,

898
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,280
with truth.
There, there is some truth in

899
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,920
some of the information, but
it's just, it's, it's just not,

900
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,680
it's just not true, you know,
and, and, and there's shards,

901
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,640
there's shards of evidence
doesn't put it all together

902
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,920
necessarily.
You know, there's a a good point

903
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,880
in there is that the the best
conspiracy theories, they start

904
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,480
with this little nugget of
truth, but then they veer off.

905
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,640
But but there's this little bit
of truth at the beginning and

906
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,040
like one of the other.
The flag you said, that's a good

907
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,440
question.
When you said the flag, that's a

908
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,920
good question.
That's a little bit of truth.

909
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,240
Good question, right?
Like good stand, there isn't.

910
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,680
There, when you hear them, you
go, oh, you know another one.

911
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,920
Is that the shadows on the moon?
Yes, that's as good.

912
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,080
As they're not all parallel and
and you go, if there's only one

913
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,360
light source, the sun, then they
should all be parallel.

914
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,040
And but this is in a studio and
that's why.

915
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,920
But you know what, there's this
that sounds so compelling, but

916
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,720
you apparently haven't looked
very carefully at shadows on

917
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,360
Earth.
They're not all parallel, but

918
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,440
first of all, topography has an
effect, but more importantly,

919
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,960
it's perspective.
You know, when you look at a

920
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,760
highway and the two sides of the
highway seem to get closer and

921
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,960
closer in the distance, those
lines don't look parallel.

922
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,200
Like, you know they are
parallel.

923
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,240
And the same is true.
Like I've seen someone

924
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:05,960
demonstrate this with with the
lines in a parking lot that that

925
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,800
if you look at them and from
here, they all look like they

926
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,840
converge in that perspective.
And then if you take a drone and

927
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,480
fly up and look directly down,
you'll see those those lines are

928
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,600
parallel, but from the angle
you're looking, they're not.

929
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,800
But when you hear this, you go,
Oh my God, you're right.

930
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,960
All those shadows, there must be
more than one light source.

931
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,600
No, it's like it sounds so
compelling, but you didn't

932
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,840
realize.
No, no.

933
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,280
Look carefully at Earth and
you'll see the same thing.

934
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,400
So, so our conversation, Brian,
I think this is so great and I

935
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,720
think this is so important,
right?

936
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,200
Because there was 2 we both we
just had between in the last 10

937
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,440
minutes or 5 minutes, the 2 two
of the same conversations, but

938
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,960
one is going to win people and 1
is going to lose people, right?

939
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,040
One of them is saying one of
them was your argument, for

940
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,120
example, with Fauci was like all
this entire scientific Community

941
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,880
Trust this guy and like a bunch
of Youtubers don't trust him.

942
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,000
That argument for what I've seen
in the last couple of years will

943
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,840
not win people over changing
with conspiracy minds, right,

944
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,320
because that is depending on the
reputation and institutions.

945
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,760
Like we said that the trust has
dropped.

946
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,120
So until that trust is re
earned, but the way it is re

947
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,240
earned is by the second-half of
our conversation where you say,

948
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,640
I understand why you would think
that you know, because the

949
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,360
because matters are this way
that this is what it is.

950
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,760
Let me explain in detail with
examples of how that's not

951
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,960
necessarily always the case.
And then now you can put the

952
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,920
information together and you can
understand yourself how that's

953
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,560
not true.
Rather than having to rely on

954
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,080
the good word of people that you
might not trust, or a crowd you

955
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,400
might be left out from or or
anything like that.

956
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,840
Like it gives you much more to
work with.

957
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:52,560
You know, two things about that.
One is that, yeah, it's a shame

958
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,960
that we've lost faith in in the
institution or let's let's not

959
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,120
say institution, but expertise.
It's like, yes, so OK, some of

960
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,200
these flat earthers, you're
telling me that you think you're

961
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,720
smarter than Einstein and
Stephen Hawking and Isaac

962
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,680
Newton.
You think that your knowledge of

963
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,360
the universe and physics.
And on top of that, I love

964
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,040
thinking this.
It's like most of these people,

965
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,240
I'm not being mean when I say,
you know, you weren't good at

966
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,080
science in school.
That's obvious from what you've

967
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,040
written here.
It's very obvious that you

968
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,640
weren't good at science.
You didn't like science.

969
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,400
And yet here you are thinking,
you know, the science better

970
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,720
than Einstein and Newton and
NASA and everything.

971
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,760
And it's like, what is it that?
And it's that you've heard of

972
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,040
the Dunning Kruger effect where
you like what you, oh, it's this

973
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,480
famous thing in psychology where
people who have a little

974
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,080
knowledge of something sometimes
overestimate how much they know

975
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,160
about a subject.
And, and there's a weird, the

976
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,120
corollary is like a lot of
times, people with a lot of

977
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,720
knowledge, you know, what comes
with that is knowledge of your

978
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,600
ignorance.
And so like, sometimes, so

979
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,520
scientists are always pretty
careful about how they say

980
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,760
things.
They go, you know, in all

981
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,440
likelihood they, they, they are
always qualifying things because

982
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,520
that's how science is.
It's like, you know, we go to

983
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,000
the highest percentile.
This is true, but we admit that

984
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,520
that some things change over to
that we learned.

985
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,160
But and so there's this thing
where people think why?

986
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,880
How do you think you know more
than it's like, where did you

987
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,760
get this idea?
And I know you know you were bad

988
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,440
at science.
Here, here's a good let me tell

989
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,280
you one other moon like space
denier one, please, because it's

990
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,120
so funny to me, but not fun.
I don't really mean funny.

991
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,240
It's frustrating.
There's this thing.

992
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:53,600
Have you ever noticed that every
almost any rocket launch that's

993
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:59,600
going into orbit, the rocket
takes off and then it's going up

994
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,160
and then at some point it starts
curving?

995
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Well, the flat earthers and
science and moon landing deniers

996
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,280
and space deniers, they all say
that's proof.

997
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,720
It's like, look, it's curving
and it's going to land way over

998
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,800
there.
It's it's going to go land.

999
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:24,480
And.
Here's the irony is oh, you're

1000
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,800
not understanding a very basic,
fundamental thing about orbits

1001
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,040
and rocketry.
If you go straight up and then

1002
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,440
cut your engines, you'll fall
straight down what an orbit is.

1003
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,040
And we've known this since Isaac
Newton hundreds of years.

1004
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,000
Like if you shoot a bullet at a
certain speed, it'll travel

1005
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,720
pretty far and then fall and and
it's falling the whole time.

1006
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,160
If you shoot it faster, it'll
fall farther away from you.

1007
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,320
And Newton realized if you shoot
it fast enough that the rate

1008
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,600
that it's falling, the Earth is
curving or under it.

1009
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,880
If you shoot it fast enough,
you'll hit yourself in the back

1010
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,640
of your head.
It'll keep going.

1011
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,240
And that's what an orbit is.
An orbit is about the sideways

1012
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,840
motion.
The reason every rocket does

1013
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:19,880
that is because you have to
achieve a certain like 17,500

1014
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,320
miles an hour sideways.
That's why they turn sideways,

1015
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,320
because that's what an orbit is.
So when you maintain, when

1016
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,920
somebody says that's so stupid,
you people that understand go,

1017
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,280
Oh my God.
But why don't people?

1018
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,280
This is fun.
This is this.

1019
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,200
Is hundreds of years old
science?

1020
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,760
This is basic if this is what an
orbit is and you're

1021
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,080
misunderstanding it and it's
frustrating.

1022
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,680
So why is that not just the
answer every time?

1023
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,160
Like I think that it because it
is.

1024
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,200
But they never learned.
But also, here's the other thing

1025
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,680
I wanted to say that that you
point out is like for science

1026
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,760
and for communicators in
general, science, health,

1027
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,440
medicine, anything.
You know, sometimes when people

1028
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,680
are against GMO's or people are
against this or any new

1029
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,200
technology, you have this,
there's a tendency to berate

1030
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,280
them and go you're stupid for
thinking that and that's not

1031
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,920
going to win over.
Anyone.

1032
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,320
But what you were saying is
like, you go, oh, like I would

1033
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:29,880
say, oh, I tried this.
I went into some Facebook groups

1034
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,000
that are flatter.
And.

1035
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,880
I went in optimistically,
thinking that I could.

1036
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,200
And so here's what happens.
Yes, every time that happens,

1037
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,840
you have people you can't.
Do it on the Internet.

1038
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:46,240
I don't mean the Internet.
What happens is it ends up

1039
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,560
degrading into, well, you're
just stupid.

1040
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,880
No, you're stupid people.
You're stupid for believing

1041
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:58,040
this, but but I was, I would get
excited and go, oh, you don't

1042
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,400
understand what an orbit it is
and what an interesting,

1043
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,480
beautiful thing because like the
moon is orbiting the Earth and

1044
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,880
and and and or the space station
is orbiting the Earth.

1045
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,440
And, and it's like they're
falling the whole time.

1046
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,560
You know how some people think
when you're up, up in the space

1047
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,720
station, you're beyond Earth's
gravity.

1048
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,480
You're not beyond Earth's
gravity.

1049
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,760
Earth's gravity holds the moon,
The sun's gravity holds Pluto.

1050
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,800
You know, it's like you're not
beyond gravity.

1051
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,440
You're in free fall.
The moon is falling towards the

1052
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,360
Earth, but it's also moving
sideways.

1053
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,160
So it's always missing.
And then it's so so it's this

1054
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,680
beautiful thing, the space
station or the moon is endlessly

1055
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,960
falling around the Earth.
So it's always in a state of

1056
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,800
free fall because it's falling.
It gets closer to moving.

1057
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,200
Well, no, because.
For every only get back out.

1058
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,160
What?
I'm sorry, I want to just make

1059
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,800
sure I'm understanding what how
things work for a second, right?

1060
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,720
So far what you're saying, so
you're in Earth's orbit and

1061
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,960
Earth is the is the huge mass
that is keeping you kind of

1062
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,800
sucked in from getting from
drifting out to space forever,

1063
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,720
right?
Maybe.

1064
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,440
Well, yeah, I don't understand.
I'm just, I'm asking.

1065
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,480
Make sure I understand
correctly.

1066
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,440
I'm.
I'm asking, yeah.

1067
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,360
Well, yeah.
Well, here's what would happen

1068
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,960
if if all of a sudden you turned
off the gravity.

1069
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,280
Gravity, yeah.
What the moon or the space

1070
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,600
station would do this is this is
Isaac Newton's laws of motion

1071
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:27,080
that that an object, if it's not
acted on by any force, it'll

1072
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,600
just can, it'll either stay
motionless or in motion, uniform

1073
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,120
motion.
So if you turned off the

1074
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,880
gravity, what they would do is
here they are orbiting as soon

1075
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,760
as you turn it off, they would
just shoot off in the direction

1076
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,280
in a straight line.
But what's happening is they

1077
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,520
want to move in a straight line
that way.

1078
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,000
But the Earth is pulling them
down, so they're moving really

1079
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,160
fast and bending, and they're
constantly.

1080
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,160
Being towards the Earth.
So it's falling, but it's

1081
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,080
missing because of that 17,000
for the for the space station

1082
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,360
because it's different at
various heights.

1083
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,200
Gotcha.
So at the stations level about

1084
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:12,080
17,500 miles an hour sideways
perfectly matches the speed

1085
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,320
you're falling at.
So, so you're already always

1086
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,640
falling, but never getting
closer because you're always

1087
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,440
just skirting around.
And so an orbit is really this

1088
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,040
beautiful thing.
It's this balance and and you

1089
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,080
are and and you think so that's
why they like.

1090
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,000
How do you escape orbit?
How do you get out of orbit

1091
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,560
unless you have an?
Artificial.

1092
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,120
Rust.
Yes, a little faster.

1093
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,960
But how do objects?
How do other objects unless

1094
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,160
Unless for example stuff
collects in orbit and then it

1095
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,560
becomes heavy enough that they
could break off on their own or

1096
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,280
that doesn't happen like how do?
You wait.

1097
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,720
What do you mean by that?
Let's say hypothetically we're

1098
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,280
going, you know, you have
garbage, you know, massive junk

1099
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,680
floating around Earth, right, N
orbit.

1100
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,440
If over time it kind of got got
built up right, became heavier

1101
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,480
than the individual parts that
were orbiting, could that new

1102
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,040
weight, that new mass be collect
enough speed or inertia I guess

1103
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,440
to to break out of the orbit?
The only way see but The thing

1104
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,120
is something would have to
affect its speed.

1105
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,120
You would have to add a force,
so something would have to push

1106
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:19,880
it.
Or the weight.

1107
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,560
The new weight would be the
force, no?

1108
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,520
Yeah, no, not enough.
It that's it's all moving at the

1109
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:30,480
same speed and yes it's more
massive but but it's not adding

1110
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,120
to its velocity.
I see, I see, I see.

1111
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,160
And so how do you, so how do
things end up traveling through

1112
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,240
space that's through explosions
and stuff like that?

1113
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,520
Oh yeah, there.
There could be many things, but

1114
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,840
like, like so the Artemis 2
mission that just went to the

1115
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:52,480
moon first, it went up into
Earth orbit and, and it, it did

1116
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,680
a couple orbits around the Earth
and they tested some stuff out.

1117
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:00,120
And then when they wanted to
leave Earth orbit, they, they

1118
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,240
burn the Rockets again.
And then that gave them enough

1119
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,440
speed that now they still
weren't completely detached from

1120
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,720
the Earth, just like the moon
isn't but, but it put them in a

1121
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,320
different path where this path
could go all the way out to the

1122
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,560
moon and around it and then back
to the Earth.

1123
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,080
You know, here's another one of
the conspiracy things.

1124
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:29,040
They're like, how could that
rocket be carrying enough fuel

1125
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,080
to go all the way to the moon?
Yeah, that.

1126
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,760
Was a question that people
asked.

1127
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,280
But you know what?
But it's a very simple answer.

1128
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,080
They're not burning fuel the
whole way.

1129
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,240
They burn it at the beginning
and then they get on a certain,

1130
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,680
they hit a certain speed and
they're headed in a certain

1131
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,680
direction.
And then they then they just

1132
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,560
coast the whole thing.
And then at a certain point the

1133
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,440
moon's gravity was pulling it
in.

1134
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,600
And then when they came back
around and they started heading

1135
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,360
towards, and then they, they did
a little burn to break away from

1136
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,600
the moon and then they're
basically headed to the Earth.

1137
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,640
And the closer they get, the
stronger the gravity is.

1138
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,360
So the closer, so almost the
whole time they're coasting, the

1139
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,640
the size of the rocket.
The reason the rocket is this

1140
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,960
big and they're in a little
capsule at the top, that's how

1141
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,960
much fuel it took to get up to
that speed.

1142
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,680
Once you hit that speed, you
turn off the engines and you

1143
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,920
just coast.
And every once in a while, they

1144
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,440
correct their course with a
little.

1145
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,440
Yeah, like seriously.
Just Wally.

1146
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,360
Like Wally with his fire
extinguisher.

1147
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,280
Yeah, totally.
It's the same thing and there

1148
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,520
are all sorts of conspiracies.
But The thing is, it always

1149
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:38,440
comes back.
To that's.

1150
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,480
Great, but I never don't know
the basic science.

1151
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,360
No one, ever.
Sits down and says that and

1152
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,720
that, and that's really, really
great information.

1153
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,680
And like I said, and you know
what?

1154
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,120
I think it's insane that I have
to be 30 years old on a podcast

1155
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,600
with the, with the, with the,
with the, with the comedian

1156
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,880
e-mail, with a code call e-mail
to you, to, to, to, to, to, to,

1157
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,000
to, to, to hear the answers to
this question instead of just

1158
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,680
having a textbook and just being
like, this is what the answer is

1159
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,320
like.
I don't.

1160
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,800
I don't know well, but The thing
is, if you take a physics class,

1161
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,920
you do learn this.
That's the.

1162
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,200
Place.
That's a good answer, people.

1163
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,280
That are doing this.
That's why I say you were never

1164
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,640
good, and I don't mean to
insult.

1165
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,440
No, I'm not.
I was not, by the way.

1166
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,160
That's why I'm revisiting this
now, because I, because I was

1167
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,720
not.
And I and I, and I think to

1168
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,400
myself, I've got to be a, and
I've say this about everyone

1169
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,920
else in different contexts.
If I'm bad at something when I'm

1170
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,280
15, I have to be a moron not to
look at again when I'm 25 or 30.

1171
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,600
Like you have to be like to
write it off for the rest of

1172
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,720
your life because you weren't
good at it while you were in the

1173
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,560
middle of developing.
And like you have no idea where

1174
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,040
your brain development was at
that point.

1175
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,840
Like, I know.
So revisiting this stuff and I'm

1176
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,360
loving it.
I'm loving every minute of

1177
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,240
everything that I've been.
Learning.

1178
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,640
Well, let me tell you another
thing they'll say like sometimes

1179
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:47,080
they're like, you're telling me
this craft is going 17,000 miles

1180
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:52,000
an hour or 25,000 miles an hour
and it's not crushing the people

1181
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,320
inside.
There's another thing about

1182
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,160
physics.
When you're coasting, you feel

1183
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,840
nothing.
It's only when you're

1184
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,640
accelerating.
Like if when you're on an

1185
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:07,280
airplane, when you start to take
off and you're only going 70

1186
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,360
miles an hour, you're pressed
back into your seat, right?

1187
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,920
Or when you're up in the sky.
See, here's the thing.

1188
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,640
It's like people don't think
like when you're up in the sky

1189
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,320
going 600 miles an hour, you
don't feel anything.

1190
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,200
You can walk down the aisle and
you feel nothing because you're

1191
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,560
not accelerating.
You're just maintaining like a

1192
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,240
600.
And it's like, you realize like

1193
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,760
you feel nothing at 600.
You felt something at 60 in a

1194
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,160
car.
You force, you feel

1195
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,760
acceleration.
And that's the thing when a

1196
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,560
force is acting, as soon as you
turn it off, you're just

1197
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,040
coasting.
And that's how rounded.

1198
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,080
Part of it, right?
Yes, Oh, at that first part of

1199
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,320
it, they feel like several times
the Earth's gravity, like

1200
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,520
several GS and they were
pressed, but at a certain point

1201
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,160
they cut the engines and now
they're just floating and

1202
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,920
they're going like 17,000 miles
an hour or whatever.

1203
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:07,400
When they were coming back, you
know, they got up to this speed

1204
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,640
and they headed to the moon.
The whole and and they cut their

1205
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,200
engines the whole time they're
headed to the moon, they're

1206
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,200
slowing down because the Earth
is still pulling on them.

1207
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,160
So their speed was gradually
decreasing because the Earth is

1208
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,840
still pulling.
And then they got into this.

1209
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,920
They went around the moon, and
then when they started heading

1210
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,600
back, they slowed down to like
900 miles an hour, at least I

1211
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,120
saw the thing.
And then they were heading back

1212
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,120
to Earth, starting at about 900
miles an hour.

1213
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,479
And basically they're coasting
and they're getting closer and

1214
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,560
closer to Earth.
And the closer you get, the

1215
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,600
stronger the gravity is and
they're accelerating.

1216
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,200
So by the time they hit the
atmosphere, they were going

1217
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,560
25,000 miles an hour, which is
insane.

1218
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,520
But it was, it was, but it was
virtue.

1219
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,080
They're just falling.
The whole time they're.

1220
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,240
Falling towards the Earth, and
when they got really close, it's

1221
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,200
really pulling them in.
But then they hit the atmosphere

1222
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,960
and the the that this was in the
frictionless vacuum of space.

1223
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,279
But when you hit the atmosphere,
yeah.

1224
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,520
You now.
You start slowing down

1225
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,880
incredibly and it all this heat
and the heat Shields.

1226
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,080
So then they, I mean, by the
way, all this makes Elon's like

1227
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,439
reusable rockets like all the
more incredible, right?

1228
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,640
Because I mean, you think about
everything that he's got, that

1229
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,200
he's got a combat and fight
while, you know, in order to do

1230
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,640
that.
And you're like, like, on one

1231
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,000
hand, OK, that's cool.
On the other hand, we like when

1232
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,000
we even judge this conversation,
it the way I like to look, the

1233
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,359
way I like to think about this.
Or the example I like to give

1234
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,520
is, you know, my dad's been a
car junkie.

1235
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,040
My, you know, my whole life.
And like, you know, he used to

1236
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,800
pull, you know, come home with
these vintage cars you find on

1237
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,520
eBay, you know, and like you
and, and I would look at it and

1238
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,000
I would see one thing and he
look at the exact same thing and

1239
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,720
see a lot more than you know.
And like we're looking at the

1240
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,760
same object, but our
understanding, our perception of

1241
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,840
it is so fundamentally
different.

1242
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,880
I think that one of the one of
the incredible.

1243
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,240
That's why education and
learning.

1244
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,520
And with any piece of art, what
a piece of art means to you, you

1245
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,560
might focus on, oh, wow, I'm
focusing on the relationship of

1246
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,880
the guy with his father, but
you're focusing on, you know,

1247
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,240
some other aspect of the film.
Yeah, yeah, Incredible,

1248
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,000
incredible.
And so I think I so that, yeah,

1249
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,560
I think that there's tremendous
value in even having these

1250
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,920
conversations because it's it's
it it gives me a whole new depth

1251
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,800
of understanding and
appreciation for stuff like

1252
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,080
this.
I got to.

1253
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,320
I have two questions I want to,
I want to ask you because I'm

1254
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:46,640
having so much fun with this.
Number one is we know, oh man,

1255
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,480
there's so many ways to go.
We know that there's we know

1256
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,760
that it takes a long time.
Technology, our technology, what

1257
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,840
we're capable of is far greater
than what we've implemented into

1258
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:02,480
society, right.
What do you think the process is

1259
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,800
like to implement new science
into into society?

1260
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,240
Because again, people kind of
almost have, it's a little bit

1261
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:12,080
of an inherent pushback or, you
know, there is pushback to new

1262
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,360
things, new technologies in
particular, especially if old

1263
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,560
ways are threatened.
And two youth, I have a

1264
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:18,960
three-year old and a one year
old.

1265
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,160
What do you think the odds are
that they, that they'll be in

1266
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,440
space throughout their, you
know, throughout their lives

1267
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,160
based on where we are and where
our potential is?

1268
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,720
Because and the two questions
are bridged by the fact that I'm

1269
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,920
sure we could get there, you
know, and I'm sure that, you

1270
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,160
know, we have, you know, between
nuclear energy, robotics, AI,

1271
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,880
like the way that the, the, the,
the pace that we're growing and

1272
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,400
developing.
It's really just going to be a

1273
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,200
question of are we implementing
it in time for this generation

1274
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,640
to really be able to kind of
explore beyond where any of us

1275
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,160
have ever been before?
Yeah, You know, I hate like we

1276
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,560
should move beyond the Flat
Earth moon denying thing, but

1277
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,120
everything connects a little bit
to it.

1278
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,960
And one of the things is people
are always like, oh, right, we

1279
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,800
went to the moon in the 60s and
we never went back.

1280
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,160
Why?
And all these things.

1281
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,960
And it's like, because it's
insanely expensive, like the

1282
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,960
science.
Well, not with alternative

1283
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,400
energies.
Maybe.

1284
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,960
But, well, right now we don't
have anything that compares to

1285
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,880
burning rocket fuel like like
maybe nuclear power, you know,

1286
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,640
the, the, there might be some
new technology.

1287
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:26,760
Magnetics.
Nuclear.

1288
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:34,800
Now to get up into space now now
private enterprise, SpaceX and

1289
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,200
others have helped bring down
the cost of just getting to

1290
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,520
orbit.
But going to the moon, it's The

1291
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:46,160
funny thing is like the science
and math was worked out a long

1292
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,640
time ago.
It's an engineering, you know,

1293
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,720
like sometimes we're like, Oh
no, it's like where they think

1294
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,440
that's what the why it's so
funny that it's like this isn't

1295
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:56,400
hard.
You'd like you can just do the

1296
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,840
math.
If we burn this much fuel for

1297
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,360
this long, we'll hit this
velocity and then we coast to

1298
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,920
the moon.
It's like the actual ideas were

1299
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:10,400
worked out, but the engineering
and cutting it off, that's hard

1300
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,880
and it's expensive.
And the reason we did it in the

1301
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,040
60s because we were in a space
race with Russia, we were trying

1302
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,760
to outdo each other.
So the problem with so many

1303
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,840
things is this isn't a science
problem.

1304
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,920
As far as the science goes, we
could go to Mars and the moon

1305
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,320
all the time.
It's a political problem.

1306
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,720
It's what are we willing to
spend money on?

1307
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,840
And it's the same thing with
income inequality.

1308
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,440
Sometimes people are like.
Why are you wasting?

1309
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:39,560
Money on NASA when you could.
It's like, you know what, if

1310
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:44,040
they cut NASA's entire budget
tomorrow, it's not going to help

1311
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,480
our healthcare because that's a
political thing.

1312
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:51,000
The money isn't being allocated
that way, but it's not because

1313
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,600
of NASA or the environment.
It's a political decision.

1314
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,240
It's interesting.
That's the.

1315
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,320
Problem.
It's like it's like, wow, our

1316
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,440
future could be astounding.
Your kids could.

1317
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,760
Yeah, you.
Have to remove the shackles we

1318
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,920
have.
We have our shackles on but.

1319
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,240
It has to be do we have the will
and the political the political

1320
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:15,240
will to like, hey, let's spend
the money on that instead of if

1321
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,520
just think if we took that
military budget and we put it

1322
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:19,760
towards going to.
Mars.

1323
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,320
We'd be at Mars tomorrow.
I would be thrilled.

1324
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,800
I'd be thrilled being, you know,
the way that the example that

1325
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,720
came to my head while you're
describing this is, you know,

1326
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,760
the amount of time it takes to
come up with a great song,

1327
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,480
right, to be creative with the
song.

1328
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,840
And then the next day it turns
out that it's really easy for

1329
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,320
every other kid to play right.
But you still got to learn how

1330
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,240
to play an instrument in order
to play the song.

1331
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,000
So you can have the song, the
song can exist, the riff can

1332
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,360
exist, the the tabs or the notes
can all be there, but someone's

1333
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,160
got to learn how to play the
instrument in order to actually

1334
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,000
bring it back to life again.
Yeah, that's an interesting

1335
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,080
analogy.
I like it.

1336
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,000
Thank you.
I just thought of it while you

1337
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,880
were saying that because I think
it's really what it is, you

1338
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,760
know, because one of the things
I learned was like, I'm

1339
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,960
watching, you know, I, I picked
up guitar out and I was like 24,

1340
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,840
I think.
And I'm going back.

1341
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,320
I'm going to actually, I'm
switching to piano.

1342
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,920
I hope I've always felt more of
a connection to it.

1343
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,320
But keep the guitar but.
One thing I learned was like

1344
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:15,200
these riffs, you know, Norwegian
Wood by The Beatles, right?

1345
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,960
And I'm like, that's, I love
that riff.

1346
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,840
And I'm like, oh, that's pretty
easy to play.

1347
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,000
And I'm like, but imagine coming
up with that riff and then like,

1348
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,240
I had to learn guitar for three
years before I could even think

1349
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,640
about trying to replicate it.
So I think that like everything,

1350
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,800
like everything, there's no,
there's no, there's no shortcut

1351
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,120
to, to greatness.
There's no shortcut to success.

1352
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:39,400
Just because it's been done
doesn't mean that it doesn't

1353
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,080
require more effort to be
replicated, right?

1354
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,480
Like the same way that it takes
to learn something like that.

1355
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,840
Before I let you go, because I
know we're we're almost there.

1356
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,800
Can you give me a couple of your
favorite or most accurate?

1357
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,960
I, I love this question.
Accurate and least accurate

1358
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,120
sci-fi movies as far as this
kind of stuff concerned, Because

1359
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,240
while you were describing I, I
thought of while you're

1360
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,040
describing the orbiting
Interstellar, that scene with

1361
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,280
Matt Damon where they were
orbiting and he was trying to

1362
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,240
also make that connection with
the space station before it

1363
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,280
explodes.
You know, you know, you see what

1364
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,960
I'm talking about.
Give me more I I I saw it, but

1365
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,240
it's been a long time.
So they were.

1366
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,120
They were visiting the water
planet, they find that Damon in

1367
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,760
space and he was like this
abandoned.

1368
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,440
He he was this abandoned
astronaut trying to find a

1369
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:29,120
viable home for people.
And, and one of the ways that

1370
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,680
and they only had a certain
amount of fuel.

1371
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,400
And so they had to basically
time their release, you know,

1372
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,920
that they whatever fuel they had
left at the exact right time in

1373
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:42,720
their orbit to be able to break
off to head towards the safe

1374
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,800
base where they had to go.
But it was all a matter of exact

1375
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,400
timing.
And you had you had very limited

1376
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,880
fuel.
But whatever that what what your

1377
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,600
opinion anyway, your favorites
and least favorites as far as

1378
01:16:54,600 --> 01:17:00,440
accuracy and least accuracy?
Well, there's a lot to this

1379
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,480
because I've been a science
fiction fan forever.

1380
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,840
I don't know if that's
technically a true statement.

1381
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:13,600
Maybe not forever, but but since
very young and growing up, the

1382
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,480
the science fiction that I
gravitated towards the most was

1383
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:21,720
where it's.
It's often called hard SF, hard

1384
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,680
science fiction, but not because
it's hard.

1385
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,280
It specifically means that's the
genre of science fiction where

1386
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,880
the science really matters,
where the author cares about

1387
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:37,720
scientific accuracy, and also
where the science is an

1388
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:42,520
essential part of the story.
Like it like, like this, it's,

1389
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,040
it's a kind of science fiction
where the science matters and

1390
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,040
it's central to the story and
everything.

1391
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:52,160
And so I was reading people like
Isaac Asimov and Arthur C Clarke

1392
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,760
and Robert Heinlein and, and,
and I liked this science fiction

1393
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,120
and I wasn't really into fantasy
and, and this other stuff.

1394
01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:04,120
But then as I got older, I
started discovering some other

1395
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,960
writers who it's not about the
scientific accuracy, but it's

1396
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,080
like, Oh my God, what an amazing
book.

1397
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,560
Philip K Dick and a guy named
Rodger Zelazny who wrote a kind

1398
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:22,200
of fantasy in science fiction.
Philip K Dick was this amazing

1399
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,360
writer with the weirdest mind
and what made his stuff great.

1400
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,920
It wasn't the scientific actor
like these guys.

1401
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,200
And there's newer people like a
guy named Joe Haldeman and

1402
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:36,400
Robert J Sawyer are some guys I
know that are great modern

1403
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:42,520
science fiction writers who they
care about the science and

1404
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,960
fantastic stuff.
And then but I discovered Philip

1405
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,800
K Dick and you go, oh, it's
weird.

1406
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,280
Like, do you remember, Like a
lot of Movies Now have been

1407
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:58,080
based on his stuff like Total
Recall, Blade Runner, Minority

1408
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,480
Report.
And I love Minority Report.

1409
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,520
And like, so you know, like in
in total recall, like where

1410
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,640
maybe there's a taxi now some of
this is starting to be where it

1411
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:12,960
could be pretty realistic.
But were you have like the taxi

1412
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,400
is having a conversation with
you.

1413
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,280
It's it's like basically robotic
or there's a guy who he's behind

1414
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,200
on his rent.
So his front door refuses to

1415
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:28,080
open unless he puts not either.
And and and yeah, some of this

1416
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,560
stuff is starting to be like
you're like everything is.

1417
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:34,680
We are moving into a Philip K
Dick, a Phil Dickian world is is

1418
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,320
a word.
Here's the thing.

1419
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:43,200
What his stuff, his stuff.
It wasn't essentially about the

1420
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,080
science accuracy.
It was more about exploring

1421
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,480
philosophical ideas.
He was really interested in what

1422
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:51,920
it means to be human.
What happens if you have an

1423
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,640
alien or a robot who is way
nicer than this human who's an

1424
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,400
asshole?
And like a woman's short story,

1425
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,400
a woman the the government comes
to this woman and you know her

1426
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,200
husband came back from a.
Being an astronaut and going to

1427
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,000
Mars or something.
And they're pretty sure he's

1428
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,960
not.
She notices he's not the same.

1429
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,040
He was kind of an asshole.
And now ever since he's come

1430
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,520
back, he's really nice and he's
nice to the kid and he's all

1431
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,600
this and the government is like,
we think he's been replaced by a

1432
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,080
Martian and she's going to
testify against him.

1433
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,200
But at the last minute she
realizes, well, I don't care if

1434
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,360
he's an alien or not, he's much
nicer.

1435
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:34,680
And she's so she's like, I don't
know what you're talking about.

1436
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,080
He's the same and and there's
stuff like that that's really

1437
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,960
interesting.
Mate Runner where where Rachel

1438
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:44,360
doesn't realize she's a robot, a
replica.

1439
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,360
She has implanted memory.
So he's always exploring these

1440
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,680
ideas.
It wasn't about the scientific

1441
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,960
accuracy.
So just to say that I still love

1442
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,520
science that like sci-fi, that
that takes an idea and exactly

1443
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,440
like you go, Oh my God, you're
right.

1444
01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:02,720
Like what if and let's?
Treat this.

1445
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,800
Super scientifically like the
Martian tries to do that and I

1446
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:13,000
haven't seen the Hail Mary.
Oh, by the way, I I wanted to

1447
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,040
like it.
It was Everybody used to love

1448
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,720
it.
I know it was like 45 minutes

1449
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,760
longer than it needed to be.
I think like it was almost 3

1450
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,400
hours.
I went with my wife, my dad, and

1451
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,480
my 15 year old brother and all
three got mad at me because the

1452
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,440
movie was too long.
And I was like, but Ryan Gosling

1453
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:33,280
was amazing.
The the science was really,

1454
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,160
really good.
The story was really great.

1455
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,840
It just felt like the director
or the editors or something with

1456
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,480
the pacing or whatever, they
just felt a little too long.

1457
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:43,040
I like an hour too long, but an
hour is a long time.

1458
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,440
For you, that's good to know.
I, I, I, I want to see it.

1459
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,440
You should.
See it and you should see it.

1460
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,160
It's really I, I, I, I really
applaud Amazon because they

1461
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,480
really they, they did a good job
with it.

1462
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,400
So.
Given that one of my very my

1463
01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:58,920
like my favorite like sci-fi
movies, probably Blade Runner

1464
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,480
again, not because of I don't
even I'm not even looking at it

1465
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:05,920
through the lens of is it
scientifically accurate?

1466
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:12,160
I'm just, you're just immersed
in a world that is so amazing,

1467
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:17,800
visually stunning, and then you
have these artificial people

1468
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:22,200
that are indistinguishable or
even better than humans.

1469
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,480
And, and it's just like the, the
script is beautiful and it's

1470
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:27,920
just like, so it's not about the
scientific accuracy.

1471
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,680
Another one of my favorites is
Galaxy Quest, which I think is

1472
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,760
the funniest science fiction
film.

1473
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,400
I don't think I've ever seen it.
You've never seen Galaxy Quest?

1474
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,960
I don't think I have.
Put it on your list.

1475
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,480
It's for the whole family.
It's.

1476
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,600
Funny.
It's the funniest science

1477
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,840
fiction film and everyone.
It's got to be Tim Allen's best

1478
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,560
performance.
And Tony Shalhoub is hilarious

1479
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,920
and I love him and and and
Sigourney Weaver's in it and,

1480
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,000
and Alan Rickman and.
Oh, it's a great cast.

1481
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,800
It's a.
Great cast and it's hilarious.

1482
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,320
I'll check it out.
I have to check it out.

1483
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:10,400
So funny and it's for everyone,
but you know, 2001 people always

1484
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,600
hold up as the as maybe the
greatest and the most scientific

1485
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,200
that that's a great film.
It's a great film and

1486
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,440
painstaking attention to detail
like.

1487
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,280
But then we.
Also for this AI that that goes

1488
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,720
kind of nut crazy.
Yeah, that's a little scary, but

1489
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,160
that's a, that's a, that's a
little bit more I, I prefer

1490
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,800
space stories to, to, to rogue
AI stories.

1491
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,080
What are some of yours like?
Do you have an answer to that

1492
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,880
question or is that just a
question for me?

1493
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,880
I, I loved interstellar.
I really like, I really like the

1494
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,840
way that you described that you
appreciate the world building

1495
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,280
and how like, like science
catches up with the science

1496
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,720
fiction, you know, part of life.
And like the thing that always

1497
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,920
jumps out to me was like brave
new world where like the

1498
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,920
genetically modified humans of
like like separating classes

1499
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,720
before they're even born.
And you mean you think about the

1500
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,480
world today and it really,
really, really is, you know,

1501
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,360
it's not far off from being.
And all the talks he wrote that

1502
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,560
before they were computers, you
know, like, I mean, I don't even

1503
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,240
know when he wrote that, but he
wrote that like in the 30s or

1504
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:17,800
the 40s, I think something like
that.

1505
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,360
But.
You know, Interstellar, they had

1506
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:26,560
really good science consultants,
including the Nobel Prize winner

1507
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,960
Kip Thorne.
And so the, the visualization

1508
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,480
and the company that did the
visualization and stuff of the

1509
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:35,880
black hole, they were
painstaking and trying to be

1510
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,280
accurate there.
And the fact that relativity

1511
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:43,680
time passes at a different rate
when you're really close to a

1512
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:49,320
black hole and that stuff.
As crazy as it seems, they they

1513
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,800
strove for scientific accuracy
and incredible world building

1514
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,880
too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1515
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,840
And you know, you know what?
I and I'm more interested.

1516
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,240
It's so funny.
I've never been.

1517
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,600
I think the movies have always
scared me, but I am really

1518
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,400
interested in extraterrestrial
or ultra, you know, some kind of

1519
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,880
form of that that that type of
that type of life.

1520
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,760
I'm really excited for
Spielberg's new movie.

1521
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,040
I'm really, really looking
forward to it.

1522
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,720
Which movie?
Spielberg has a new movie coming

1523
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,720
out called The Age of Disclosure
about.

1524
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,240
Yeah.
And my actually my last question

1525
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,320
I wanted to ask you was do.
You can I say, but right before

1526
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:30,040
is that I left out a sci-fi guy
that I loved so much in the 70s

1527
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:34,440
and 80s Larry Niven, his stuff,
he was a mathematician and he

1528
01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:36,560
had amazed.
There's always black holes and

1529
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,040
neutron stars and all this
astrophysics stuff.

1530
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,000
But then you know what IA couple
little Nuggets that have stuck

1531
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,640
with me.
They have more to do with this

1532
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,080
other aspect of science fiction
where you extrapolate.

1533
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,360
So we're like, this isn't part
of the main story, but in this

1534
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:56,760
novel, there's a guy in prison.
What happens is on Earth is we

1535
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,680
have really good organ
transplants at this point.

1536
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:03,960
So what they start doing is when
they take prisoners, if you're

1537
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,560
in prison, you could get the
death penalty and they would

1538
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,320
harvest your organs.
And so imagine I'm a good

1539
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,640
citizen.
I'm not going to get arrested

1540
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,720
for anything.
So why not vote the death

1541
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:21,080
penalty for armed robbery or any
other crime?

1542
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:25,560
And because then there will be
more organs available to keep me

1543
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,200
immortal.
And so there's a part where a

1544
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,640
guy is on a colony world and
he's reading the back on Earth.

1545
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,320
They've instituted the death
penalty for too many traffic

1546
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,000
violations.
So it's like science fiction,

1547
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,280
like extrapolates like that.
What would happen if we had

1548
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,480
really good organ transplants?
Then you would be like, well,

1549
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:47,760
I'm not going to commit a crime.
Let's harvest all those

1550
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,400
criminals organs.
Let's make it OK.

1551
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:54,240
And one other one is he had this
other novel and there's this

1552
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:57,680
tiny little thing I think about
when I take a shower.

1553
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:02,760
He has someone on the moon.
The moon has 1/6 the Earth's

1554
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,080
gravity.
OK.

1555
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,280
Right.
So, you know, and in the, so

1556
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,880
when the guy gets out of the
shower, because of, you know,

1557
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:17,280
how water tension, like water
collects and like on the, on the

1558
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,720
ISS, like water won't just
disperse everywhere.

1559
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,680
It has a tendency to collect.
And you know how water forms

1560
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,200
like like shapes like that, It's
because it's attracted.

1561
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,880
It's adhesion or cohesion, I
forget.

1562
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,760
And then it collects together,
yeah.

1563
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,720
So when the guy gets out of the
shower, there's like 1/4 inch

1564
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,520
sheath of water stuck to him.
Like like, you know, when you

1565
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,000
get out of the water, there's a
shower, there's a little water

1566
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,560
on you.
You might brush it off.

1567
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,640
Well, then on the moon with 1/6
of gravity, there's way more

1568
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,560
water.
And so he's like, and like all

1569
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,760
this water falls off.
And I was like, that is I love

1570
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,600
little things like that, that
you go, Oh my God, you really

1571
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:04,160
thought this through to this
little to a level of like that

1572
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,000
goes from the physics that
something so much that was like

1573
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,280
taking a shower and wiping the
water off.

1574
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,640
Totally.
There's, there's an amazing book

1575
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,720
called The Anxious Generation
and the Introductory and

1576
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,520
Introduction to the by Jonathan
Haidt and he talks and he talks

1577
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,400
about social media and mental
health with kids and stuff.

1578
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,280
But the first thing that he's
the first example he gives is

1579
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,360
your kid has an opportunity to
grow up in Mars and he goes

1580
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,320
through all the potential thing
goes.

1581
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,080
But growing up in Mars, gravity
is going to be different.

1582
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,320
The way that they're, you know,
the, the, the reason why our

1583
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,120
legs are shaped, you know, our
bodies are shaped the way they

1584
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,640
are is because our legs are
strong for any pull down

1585
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,360
constant to keep ourselves up.
He goes and our eyes are going

1586
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,960
to be different and like the,
the, the, the structure of our

1587
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:45,080
face is going to be different.
He goes.

1588
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:48,040
So do you want your kid growing
up in a plant and it you know,

1589
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,560
and like, and I'm like, I didn't
even think about any of.

1590
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,600
This.
Oh yeah, you know.

1591
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,280
Yeah.
Larry Niven also had like people

1592
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,080
working out in the asteroid
belt.

1593
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,720
Let's say they're miners.
They're they're mining the

1594
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:03,160
asteroids.
Well, after generations of that,

1595
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:07,680
those people are getting tall
and thin because they're not

1596
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,160
living in much.
Gravity.

1597
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,520
And then you really probably
after a while, like if you're a

1598
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,640
few generations down and you've
you probably you might not be

1599
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,520
able to visit Earth because the
gravity, you wouldn't be able to

1600
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:21,680
handle the gravity.
Wow.

1601
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,040
Oh man, it's so much fun all
this.

1602
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,880
But you know what?
That's why I think like you hear

1603
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,400
such, you know, I mean you hear
there are really compelling

1604
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,200
extraterrestrial stories.
You know, there's an amazing

1605
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:42,600
documentary called Moment of
Contact and it was and the the

1606
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,960
head neurosurgeon of this
hospital in Brazil, I believe,

1607
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,560
who is totally sober minded,
totally sane, spoken from the

1608
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,800
spoken from the Congress a
couple of months ago, like a

1609
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,240
month or two ago.
And he and part of his

1610
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,840
presentation was all his
associates for the last 25

1611
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,880
years, basically speaking to his
character and his and his

1612
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,960
well-being.
He's like, I had eyes on the

1613
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,760
extraterrestrial for 4 minutes
and like 1995 or something like

1614
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,200
that when there was and there
was a crash and like, and he

1615
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,320
describes it and like they look
humanoid and like they look

1616
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,720
humanoid and like, and, and The
funny thing about, and I've

1617
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,720
heard this from, there's some
really fun UFO podcasts.

1618
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,920
American Alchemy with Jesse
Michaels is incredible and Danny

1619
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,040
Jones is always entertaining.
His guests are always I, I, I go

1620
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,320
back and forth and like what I
think, but they're always

1621
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,080
entertaining.
I did not like the episode where

1622
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,280
I've only seen a little of him
and where I teed into him was he

1623
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,640
had Charlie Duke and he had the
main values of.

1624
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,520
The planning, he said that he
was very upset with how that he

1625
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:44,840
was not happy with how that
went.

1626
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,400
He said.
The whole thing was it was was a

1627
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,920
nightmare.
And that guy was, he's always

1628
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:50,920
been disrespectful.
He got punched by.

1629
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:51,960
Bird side.
Bird side.

1630
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:56,680
Bell got everything for hounding
him and called calling them a

1631
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,280
liar and all this.
And The thing is, it's like you

1632
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,960
don't understand the science.
You know what the thing you said

1633
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:08,520
about music and how once
somebody writes it, it might be

1634
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,680
very easy to play.
If you've.

1635
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,800
Spend 10 years learning to play.
And it's the same thing with the

1636
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,400
science stuff.
It's like, oh, wow, you seem

1637
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,760
interested in the subject.
Why don't you actually try to

1638
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,440
learn some science and then
you'll know which stuff, oh,

1639
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:29,600
that I was wrong about.
But here I'm still wondering

1640
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,760
about this, you know, learn the
science because when when we're

1641
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,640
in these Flat Earth groups, some
of the time you're like, it's so

1642
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,120
frustrating because you go, oh,
oh, I don't even know how to

1643
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,560
talk to you because clear.
It's as if you're talking to

1644
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,560
someone and you're talking about
baseball and they keep talking

1645
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,920
about the quarterback or what
quarter of the game is this?

1646
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,920
And you go, this person doesn't
know the first thing about

1647
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,960
baseball.
And he's like, he's like

1648
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,560
absolute like.
And you go, oh, I don't know how

1649
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,640
to handle this even because.
You're.

1650
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,320
Acting like you're an expert,
but you don't know what you're

1651
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:06,400
talking about.
Yeah, he.

1652
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,680
Does not defend that debate.
He, he was like that debate.

1653
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,240
He goes, I, I love the idea.
He goes in theory, it would have

1654
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,200
been so much fun.
He was like, it was not a

1655
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,720
performance that, that, that I
was happy with.

1656
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:22,480
But I, I, I think I, I want,
there are, there's a website

1657
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:27,960
called Calci and Polymarket.
Now these are live betting based

1658
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,440
on different events that people
think are going to happen,

1659
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:33,040
right?
So what do you know, like 70%

1660
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,800
chance that, you know, the war
that ran is over, you know,

1661
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,400
within the month or not.
You know, I just made a bad

1662
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:38,360
number.
I'm not sure if it's true or

1663
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,840
not, right?
But I, I think it got, I think

1664
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,520
according to Kaushi, a bunch of
months ago, it was up to, I

1665
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,040
think 70% or I don't know if I'm
making up a number.

1666
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:50,720
It was a high number, higher
number than I, than I would have

1667
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,000
expected.
That Trump that that Trump makes

1668
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,520
an announcement basically
acknowledging and recognizing

1669
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,680
that extraterrestrials and UFOs
are real.

1670
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:01,720
What are the odds you think that
happens?

1671
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,520
You think it's going to happen
before 2027?

1672
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,240
Yes or no?
I don't think so.

1673
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,480
Would you be surprised if it did
happen?

1674
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,360
Oh yeah, my, my here's.
Because of the politics or

1675
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:19,480
because of reality, Do you think
in reality they're not here?

1676
01:33:19,480 --> 01:33:22,080
You think that politically, the
president of the United States

1677
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,440
is not going to get up and say,
hey, there's there, There's

1678
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:27,160
extraterrestrials, you know,
hanging out in society among us.

1679
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:31,640
Well, here's the thing, I've
been interested in the subject

1680
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,200
of UFO since I was a little kid.
OK.

1681
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,560
So we're talking like 5 decades.
OK.

1682
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,400
Well, so sometimes I've seen
people recently like younger,

1683
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,040
but like journalists, like
popular people talking on

1684
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,800
YouTube and stuff.
And I want to say that a lot of

1685
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,840
them are younger and they're
very optimistic that because you

1686
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,200
keep hearing people coming out
that it's like we're on the

1687
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:57,880
edge.
There's the document the age of

1688
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,600
disclosure document the
documentary.

1689
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:00,800
Logic.
You haven't seen it by the way.

1690
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,400
It's really I haven't.
Seen it yet?

1691
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:09,520
So The thing is, some of them,
Bill Maher is convinced 100%,

1692
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,760
absolutely.
There's no question that they're

1693
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,680
real at this point.
And it's like that's overstating

1694
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,400
the case.
And here's the thing.

1695
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,760
My opinion is tempered by the
fact that I've been hearing the

1696
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:27,600
same stuff for 50 years and the
real evidence has it's always

1697
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:28,880
been.
I know it's.

1698
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,160
Great story.
What about this story and this

1699
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,560
story?
And these people seem credible,

1700
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:39,480
but there's never a hunk of
metal from a spaceship that

1701
01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:41,320
absolutely couldn't have been
made on Earth.

1702
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:45,600
You know, like where's the
extraordinary claims require

1703
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,080
extraordinary evidence?
This is so.

1704
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:52,680
And, and one thing I hate is
when people on the other side of

1705
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,480
it say they tend to do this.
It's a very disingenuous

1706
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:57,200
argument.
Go.

1707
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,320
So you don't think there's life
in the universe given the size

1708
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,480
of the universe?
And I was like, that's not at

1709
01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:06,400
all what we're talking about.
That's a completely different

1710
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:07,600
topic.
Yeah, the question is whether I

1711
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,680
think most landed on Earth and
hope you are not.

1712
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:11,440
Right.
Most physicists and

1713
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:14,920
astrophysicists think the
universe is vast and there's

1714
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,480
probably life out there.
That's not what we're talking

1715
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:19,000
about.
We're talking about whether

1716
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,680
aliens have come to Earth.
I.

1717
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,800
Know right, so that's my.
Completely different subject.

1718
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:24,400
You don't.
You, you, you.

1719
01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:28,600
You're skeptical.
I'm maintaining a healthy

1720
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,720
skepticism.
I want to believe.

1721
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,880
I want to believe so.
Many of these other people that

1722
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:37,800
don't believe they want to, of
course we want contact, we want

1723
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,000
confirmation.
Would you believe it would you

1724
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,640
believe it if Trump gets up
would you and says that or do

1725
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,360
you think this is a political
stick and you know when I forgot

1726
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,880
about it because the government
announcement right has lied a

1727
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,440
lot, you know exactly forever.
So if they just.

1728
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:56,720
Say it if they just say it and
they don't provide any new

1729
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,360
evidence.
Forget about it.

1730
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:02,640
Then I'm extremely skeptical
because at this point, show us

1731
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:06,920
the evidence.
Not a video, not a black and

1732
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:13,280
white tic tac video that people
have debunked pretty reasonably.

1733
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:15,320
Where yeah, it looks like it's
moving fast.

1734
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,320
That's parallax.
Just like you know what?

1735
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,160
I mean, like, I think there are,
I believe there are and not even

1736
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,280
just American, but all over the
world there are military, there

1737
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,280
are like military records and,
you know, documentation that are

1738
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,920
keeping up with these things
moving very fast.

1739
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,600
We have no evidence to say that
it's necessarily

1740
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,640
extraterrestrial as opposed to
some kind of, you know, maybe

1741
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,360
weapon development or whatever.
But you know, like the.

1742
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,400
The Tic Tac one, for instance,
that looks like and they're

1743
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:44,080
like, whoa, look at it go.
There's a guy named Mitch

1744
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:46,520
Hedberg.
What's this?

1745
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,120
What?
No education.

1746
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,360
You know what?
By the way, Hedberg was a good

1747
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:52,640
friend of mine.
That's no he.

1748
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,840
Wasn't really.
That's a whole other subject.

1749
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,160
Oh, you can't do that to me an
hour and 35 minutes in.

1750
01:36:58,200 --> 01:36:59,240
Really.
He.

1751
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,080
Was like can you tell me?
A little bit about him.

1752
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:03,560
Yeah.
I love him.

1753
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:07,960
I loved his work.
Man, oh man, How'd you know him?

1754
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:13,880
So I first met him, we were
working at a comedy club in

1755
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:20,160
Wichita, KS called Slapsticks
with an XSTIX Slapsticks funny

1756
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:25,000
comedy club names.
He was the opening act, I was

1757
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,520
the middle act, and then there
was a headliner and we worked a

1758
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:32,480
week together.
And so comedy clubs typically,

1759
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,080
let's say it's a show, like a
three act show and everyone came

1760
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,320
from out of town, typically
either give you each a hotel

1761
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,920
room or they keep an apartment.
Like sometimes it's better for

1762
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,400
them if they just keep an
apartment and you share an

1763
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,600
apartment.
So I lived with them for a week

1764
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,160
while we worked this club.
We really hit it off.

1765
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:55,480
We were both living in LA and we
just became, he was one of my

1766
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:59,520
best friends for for years.
We we had a little bit of a

1767
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,760
falling out and we got a little
of strange as he got into drugs

1768
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:09,000
that were a little beyond the
drugs that I was interested in.

1769
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,400
He separated himself from people
he had been close with.

1770
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,800
You know that's that's common
behavior.

1771
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,760
Which makes sense.
You know, it's like, why are you

1772
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,640
doing heroin, my friend?
Yeah, I'm making.

1773
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:25,400
So I just, we just hit it off.
We liked a lot of the same

1774
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,680
stuff.
We were both into music and and

1775
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:31,400
comedy and.
Was his personality similar to

1776
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,200
his stage performance?
Was he like, was he like kind of

1777
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:38,560
that like deadpan, you know,
like deadpan but like twinkle in

1778
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,000
his eye goofy kind of style?
Or was he that was just the way

1779
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,160
he performed, do you think?
Yeah.

1780
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:46,720
You know, like a lot of people,
I would say, and especially it

1781
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:51,480
evolved because I met him early
enough in his career where he

1782
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:53,160
didn't command the stage as
much.

1783
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,160
Like, he was a little shyer and
not his own.

1784
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,240
But over those next years, you
know, the writing was always

1785
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,840
really funny.
And then he got better and

1786
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,960
better at commanding an
audience, and so he became

1787
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,400
stronger.
But when I met him, here's one

1788
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:11,920
of the reasons we became friends
too, is that he was easy to

1789
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:17,440
follow because he was very low
energy and subtle and clean.

1790
01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:21,960
So I got gigs where I was
headlining and I could bring

1791
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:23,880
some.
So I would bring him, you know,

1792
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,040
he became more famous than me.
But for a while there I brought

1793
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:28,520
him on gigs.
So cool then.

1794
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,640
Later I middled for him as he.
Had.

1795
01:39:32,440 --> 01:39:35,120
But that's why we, we, we
travelled.

1796
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:38,520
We, I was in so many places with
him and had so many adventures.

1797
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:45,400
So I would say that, you know,
like maybe this is true of a lot

1798
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:47,640
of us, like what we are on
stage.

1799
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:53,040
You know, some people are a
total character on stage, Other

1800
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,760
people, we we strive to be
ourselves on stage, but it might

1801
01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:01,280
not be exactly how you are off
stage, like a distillation of

1802
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,720
your best self or something.
So like the way he was on say,

1803
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,320
you know, there's a little bit
about his delivery and

1804
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:14,400
everything that's maybe it's a
little exaggerated, but I think

1805
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,960
that.
The essence is there.

1806
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,880
Yeah, the essence is there and
that, you know, that's his sense

1807
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,040
of humor.
And and, you know, here's

1808
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:25,600
something about him.
He might say the F word like he

1809
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:27,520
might have cussed on stage
sometimes.

1810
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,360
But one thing you might notice
is he never had any bodily

1811
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:35,160
function humor like no fart
jokes, nothing like that.

1812
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,840
And this is very unlike most
men.

1813
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,120
He didn't like that off stage,
like he wouldn't make you know,

1814
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,000
I, I know plenty of people that
would make guys that would make

1815
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,800
fart jokes off stage, but maybe
they don't in their act or maybe

1816
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,600
they do.
But Mitch, it's like, Nah, he

1817
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,320
just didn't like that kind of
humor.

1818
01:40:53,480 --> 01:40:57,720
And so like he might cuss, but
he didn't tell fart jokes off

1819
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:58,960
stage or on stage.
He.

1820
01:40:59,040 --> 01:40:59,560
Didn't.
That's good.

1821
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,560
I'm happy to hear that.
Function humor.

1822
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:06,360
He liked his weird, weird
thoughts and a lot of times

1823
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:12,360
about just minutiae.
Kit Kat bars and M&M's and Koala

1824
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,560
bears.
And my neighbor knocked on the

1825
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:16,040
wall because the music was too
loud.

1826
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:19,800
He said, go around, you know, I
don't know what's on your side.

1827
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,880
It's only a wall here.
I know you know, you know one of

1828
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,920
his classics that I just think
is an amazing joke structurally

1829
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:33,160
because out of nowhere it
doesn't just have a regular

1830
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,280
setup and then a punchline.
It just starts with yeah.

1831
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,560
I love that.
I think Bigfoot is blurry.

1832
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,600
Five word.
No set up like.

1833
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:46,680
Hey, you know when you see those
videos of Bigfoot and like, a

1834
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,640
comic might write a joke this
way and go, well, what if it's

1835
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:55,120
because he's blurry?
But instead those 5 words, boom,

1836
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,920
hilarious punch line.
And then everything he says is

1837
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,000
funnier and funnier and funnier.
Maybe.

1838
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:03,560
You know, that's the problem.
It's not what photographers

1839
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,760
fall.
Bigfoot is blurry and that's

1840
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,120
extra scary.
Yeah.

1841
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:12,240
And it's just like that joke
structurally is so funny to me.

1842
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,080
So as as you're performing
something like that, because

1843
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:19,560
that joke especially is.
Aside from being brilliant and

1844
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,080
funny, we'll take the audience a
second to understand that that

1845
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:24,920
is the joke, right?
Like there's always the

1846
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,520
delivery.
And then it's like everyone,

1847
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,160
like you could see it hit them.
You see it like dawn across

1848
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:31,640
their faces and dawn across
their eyes.

1849
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:34,360
Like, oh, that's the joke.
What is it?

1850
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:38,880
What do you do to deliver that
joke in that like pause time?

1851
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,880
Do you do you, Is it like a
performance like you hold?

1852
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,600
Is it like, is it do you have a
do you have like a like, what do

1853
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:47,200
you do when you know that a joke
is going to take a second for

1854
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,120
the audience to get?
You know, I don't know that

1855
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:52,760
there's a single answer.
I think like each joke might be

1856
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:57,400
a little different but.
That's just, you know, that's

1857
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:00,360
part of writing and performance.
They're two different ways you.

1858
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,800
Know because.
Sometimes when a joke isn't

1859
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:06,200
working, when you have a so you
know you have a funny idea.

1860
01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:08,680
And sometimes you go to the
stage and it's like you can't

1861
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:12,160
make it work.
Well, OK, first of all, is the

1862
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,840
idea actually funny?
Is there a funny idea there?

1863
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:18,480
But let's say that you actually
have a funny idea, but you're

1864
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:21,320
not sure how to get it across.
So that's like, how do I write

1865
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:25,240
this to communicate what I find
so funny here?

1866
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,560
How do I make the audience see
what I and it's an art thing.

1867
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,120
It's like I want you to see the
world the way I see it.

1868
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,320
I'm looking at this and I'm
finding it very funny.

1869
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:38,000
You don't yet, but so I got to
find the right words and then

1870
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,960
also delivery can make a huge
difference.

1871
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,080
It's like, what can I also do to
communicate this idea?

1872
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,680
I watched Mark Norman's new
special recently on Netflix and

1873
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,440
one thing that I noticed and he
always did.

1874
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:52,120
This but you could see he's kind
of taking it to new level as he,

1875
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:57,880
you know, matures as a comic is
he holds poses for punch lines

1876
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:01,280
and like, and he does it really
well with like a lot of body

1877
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:02,880
language.
And so like, if he's saying like

1878
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,440
a a line that he know he's going
to get resistance to, like he

1879
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:08,720
has like he almost like plants
himself and like, you know,

1880
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,480
like, I'm going to stand up for
this joke kind of way or like,

1881
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:12,960
whoa, didn't mean to take you
down.

1882
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:17,440
Like he'll do these things that
bring you in with him to like.

1883
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:20,040
So it's not just the content.
It's the you're you're you're

1884
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,360
literally drawing people in.
And one thing I noticed, my wife

1885
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:27,320
and I went to see Tom Segura in
the Hard Rock and, and every

1886
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:32,520
motion, every time he rolled one
of his eyes or both his eyes,

1887
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:37,120
they all 5000 people or 7000
people, wherever it was, every

1888
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:40,240
single eyeball was watching that
eye roll and you felt it in the

1889
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:41,960
room.
And you're like, this guy is,

1890
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,800
this guy is not only a writer,
this guy is like the most

1891
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,640
skilled performer.
Like, he is like, it's

1892
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,120
incredible to watch.
So yeah.

1893
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,680
So I think Mitch has both of
those, too, because a lot of his

1894
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,360
jokes, they're just so funny.
You can just read.

1895
01:44:56,360 --> 01:45:01,640
Them on paper and they are funny
others maybe they're not as

1896
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:03,960
funny, but his delivery helps
make it funny.

1897
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:08,640
I don't know like but I really
love so many like the simple

1898
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,640
ones of like when someone hands
me a flyer, it's like they're

1899
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:14,720
saying here, you throw this
away.

1900
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:19,360
It's so simple.
And I was just listening to, he

1901
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:23,040
had a really old one about I
think he had a paper route or

1902
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,200
something.
And he goes, I was supposed to

1903
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:29,480
go to 2000 houses or two
dumpsters almost related to that

1904
01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:32,280
other one.
Or you know, the I like to play

1905
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:33,840
tennis.
The depressing thing about

1906
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,960
tennis is I know I'll never be
as good as a wall.

1907
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,880
It's it's like some of them are
just so.

1908
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,400
Yeah, some of them they just.
Some of them seem jokier.

1909
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:49,960
Than others.
Some just seem like.

1910
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,000
It's just a sentence, but it
always plays very funny.

1911
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:56,560
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
He was he's he's definitely a a

1912
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:58,280
great for sure.
And it was, it was, it was a.

1913
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,800
Tragedy that he that he died.
So yeah, he died.

1914
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:05,480
Well, you'll be happy to know
there a guy who's, well, now

1915
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:07,400
he's a friend of mine.
Jeff Siegel, There's a

1916
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:09,200
documentary that's almost
finished.

1917
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:12,880
Oh sweet.
So exciting sometime maybe in

1918
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,840
the next year or.
Something.

1919
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:18,040
We'll see it somewhere a major.
Mitch Hedberg documentary.

1920
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:24,000
OK, that's what I'm saying as
well as an unbelievable.

1921
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,400
He interviewed.
Everyone.

1922
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:30,960
So he interviewed everyone.
So it'll be a fascinating.

1923
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:32,920
I'm looking forward to it.
That's going to be awesome,

1924
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,000
Brian.
This is so much fun.

1925
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,560
I would love to have you back
sometime in the future because I

1926
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,440
really had such a no.
I think we ran out.

1927
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:42,520
Yeah, we ran out of time.
There's so much more to talk

1928
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:44,440
about.
I was about to say we ran.

1929
01:46:44,440 --> 01:46:47,920
Out of time we went overtime,
but I, I, I I this is what these

1930
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,440
are the.
Conversations that I love

1931
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:51,000
having.
These are the podcasts that make

1932
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:52,960
me want to keep on going and
excellent.

1933
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,720
I really appreciate your time.
This is this is a ton of fun.

1934
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,200
Thank you so much.
OK.