#153: Dalton Lauer / Newlywed Life / Finding Purpose and Self / Post Capitalism / Self Expression

0:01 Welcome to another episode of Come Together. We're live with a newly married Mr. Dalton Lauer. Lauer. Yeah, for sure. Newly married Mr. and Miss Lauer. Dude, I saw, I saw a change. Instagram handle. That's how you know you made it. D That's how you know you made it. And it feels good. It's crazy. It's crazy. Wedding year honeymoon in Hawaii where it all started. Back to where it all began. That's that's that was the best part of it all. How was a pre wedding jitters?

0:41 How? You engaged for years right? A couple years. We got engaged on the leap. The last leap year was February 29. That's cool. 24 Yeah, We were engaged almost two years and then got the. Man, dude, isn't it crazy? 2024 was two years ago. I'm looking at like news stories from 2024. I'm like, that happened like last month, dude. I I say ever since COVID time, just like moves double the pace. It's crazy. It does. But yeah, the leading up to the wedding was, I'm sure just like most people, it's stressful. There's a lot of planning as as a man I'm trying to do play my part in helping make decisions, when in reality to me it's like every little decision. Did you, were you, were you picky about the about the decision making?

1:30 No, and that's where I fell short was like to me when I get asked for help, it's like, well, what's the problem? Yeah, the least resistance here, like let's just make it easy. And I like to just enjoy in the moment and no matter what it was whether the napkins were gold or black or little decisions, just to me it was like let's just make one instead of pondering over it for too long. But everything went good. I mean leading up to it. My wife, now she. How's that feel to say it? Feels great. You're a cigar, the same man as your ring, dude.

2:11 I. Feel like a man now I feel like I'm the next phase is when the kid comes then I'll feel like even more of a man. Dude, you're going to be so tired. Let's see how they feel. It'll be good. We'll be tired for a while. It's going to be a huge shift. That's why we're starting with the dog. Yeah, it's great. You know what I heard someone doing that. Well when you finish telling telling me about your your prepping. Yeah, so leading up to it, it wasn't really that bad because I think her and I were both very like. Was that laid back? She's also laid back. She's very laid back, so I don't feel like there was ever a moment where it was like the wedding at the bridezilla, yeah, or groomzilla or anything like that. And so her mom was a huge help in getting things scheduled as well.

2:54 And she's very good. Like, I work closely with her with real estate stuff. She's very coordinated. Her Val was like taking charge on a lot of things. And I was kind of given the thumbs up, like, OK, I'm good with all of this. Yeah. And then yeah, the wedding couldn't have gone anymore perfect leading up to it. Dude, we thought checking the weather was going to rain every day. Stress yourself out about that stuff, OK? And it was planned to be outdoors. And we weren't going to do a tent because if they wanted to charge an arm and a leg for a tent and at the end we got the 10, thank God we did because it really just like shedded that. Yeah, anxiety. Anxiety exactly of you know if it does rain. It's insurance dude, it just makes you feel better. If it doesn't rain, we still have a brilliant ambience setup where it really captured in a moment. Yeah, I love it.

3:48 Dude, that the wedding coordinator, she's a little rough around the edges, but she got people where they need to be. You have to, by the way, Yeah, because like everyone's having their like, first experience wedding or like, you know, marrying up my kid. I'm so excited and like, someone's got to be that like that voice of reason that, like propels things. Not even voice of reason, but like that, that thing that just pushes everything forward. Yeah, you need a bad guy like. Because somebody's got to do. It and honestly, that's what they're paid for. They're paid to be the bad guy and just be like, listen, like I know you want to do this, but like if you want any shit to get done, like, you know, you got to make this, you go do XY and Z. And so it all fell together perfectly the day up. And what was really cool about it was because we were doing it at a resort and a lot of people were coming from all over the place.

4:33 Instead of just having one night where just like it goes by so fast, We had Friday, we had a rehearsal dinner. We're all down there. What's? Your rehearsal dinner, like ours, We don't have one. And she's don't do that. Really. Really. Yeah. It was honestly, it was just like having a nice dinner with your like closest friends and family, the ones that you know you see the most. And so it it all worked out in Val's favor because she loves the keys. It was always a dream of hers to get married there. However, when we started planning, it wasn't going to work out. Everything was too expensive down there and she's always, once we picked the venue there, it was like, wow. That means we can also do the rehearsal dinner at Lazy Days, which if you ever go down to the Keys, I highly recommend going lazy.

5:20 Days. It's so good. You can sit out on the water and get really good margaritas. They have really good blackened mahi mahi. You mix that with a salad really good. So we did the rehearsal there and we, we were so fortunate because we were going to have it in like a little room where pretty much is like overlooking the parking lot. You see a little bit of the water. And as we're setting things up with the guy, the venue, he's like, oh, I thought we had put you guys down at this other spot, which is right on the beach, and it would have been double the price. And we're like, oh, no, we we were in the other spot. He's like, know what, I'll put you there. Anyway. Yeah, for for the same price I. Was like, well, you booked it anyway, right? Yeah, as well.

6:01 So it worked out and it, you know, having all of our family there, a lot of people flying in, there was some headaches, like literally might. So get this, my grandparents are driving down from Pennsylvania just about they don't know every everybody else is flying. Yeah, but because they're driving, everyone's like, well, let's not Max out our luggage for the weekend. We'll just. Yeah, pack it up with that. My mom's dress, her boyfriend's dress, my brother's suit. I mean my brother who has the ring bearer son, his suit. Everything's in my grandpa's truck and they break down on the way. No way. Where do they break down like early or like? I think about halfway and everyone's freaking out and, and so at this point it's like they're probably not going to make to the rehearsal dinner on time. We don't care.

6:52 I mean, as long as they show up for the wedding, because they have so many people's stuff, they made it. They made it on time. They made it to the rehearsal by the skin of their teeth. So funny what they has to do. They got the car fixed to the. Yeah, it was. No, they got it fixed. They took it straight to the shop. The guy figured out it was a smaller issue than they had expected, and so that worked out and it was beautiful. The weather held off the next day Then was Saturday, and we couldn't do a welcome party at the rehearse at the venue because they would have charged us for upholding the space or we kind of put it out there like, hey, everybody show up to the pool area. This. Time you. Know and we pretty much took over the.

7:33 Pool. The the resort itself is, was really, it's a big resort, but at the same time, it feels like, like you can get around everywhere quickly. And I think there was only like us and another wedding party there. Yeah. So we like had this whole resort to like so much fun, all of our friends and family. The weekend was a blast. And then leading up to the wedding by this time. Wedding was Sunday, Monday. The wedding ended up being on Sunday, Sunday, and by then we had gotten to say like, like catch up with everyone we hadn't seen in a while. Some of my military friends I haven't seen in 7-8 years, and they were coming out to this people who were there from when we met in Hawaii. That's cool.

8:14 They're like coming. To they came in for the wedding they. Came in for the wedding. It's so nice. My buddy who was deployed came back the day before, literally landed and a couple hours later had his stuff packed and flew out to Florida. Wow. Meanwhile, his wife, who he hasn't seen in a while, his one year old who just turned one in California waiting for him to come back. And so like the the way people moved to mountains to be there really meant a lot to us and and showed us like a lot of good people in our lives. That's incredible, man. And to then have the perfect wedding. Beautiful night, tons of fun. And then two days later, because we, we packed up, went home, and then on Saint Patrick's Day, just two days later, it was the day we were flying to Hawaii.

9:01 Yeah. Back to where it all began. Crazy. And that alone was. So very emotional, right? Yeah, I honestly riding that, it felt like a 3 1/2 weeks of just like riding the best high of my life. You know, everything was like there was a permanent smile on my face. Crazy point where you get back and you're like a little bit down. You know, you're like, Dang, back to reality. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, man, so funny. Have you been to Hawaii? Once when I was a kid, OK, I was like 10 or 11. Wine style shirt on today. Oh yeah, dude. Oh yeah, I used to wear these all the time. I love it. My dad's a tiny Bahama nut.

9:43 Yeah, dude, he is like like literally walks in. He's a, he's a sickness, I think. But like he, he walks in. I remember like we, my dad always ran his own business. So like like everything in life, like sometimes things were better. Sometimes things were, you know, a little tighter and like you just like walk in one day with like a rack of shirt of tiger Amish shirts and like 13 different colour like, you know, flower, like, you know, Parrot head shirts and like what is going on? Like like what is like did he? I thought this was like a mafia deal or something like that. Like he's like trading favors, but like you're actually not exactly buying a bunk or you got off a truck or something like that. I don't respect that.

10:27 Because, you know, you like something, dude. Why? Why wait, dude? Because half the time I'm like, I should have just bought more of this same style of clothes instead of having my wardrobe, all these random things and then I never wear half them anyway. Yeah, yeah. If you like Tommy, Bahamas stick. Dude, yeah, but I grew out of it for a little bit. I was. It was a different point in my life. Some of your dad's telling me Bahama and come to Hawaii. Yeah, it is. If there's one place I could recommend to anybody, it would be Hawaii. Go go see it because it's, it's not just a beautiful place in the middle of nowhere. It is something I feel like if you go there and absorb the the nature, the land, the culture, you can learn a lot and kind of have a well.

11:15 It's not really American, right? Like, I mean, it's not an American territory, Yeah. But it's, you know, they follow. There's, it's very Americanized, depending where you go. So we went to Oahu, kawaii and Maui, and one of them really captured our heart. Yeah. And it was kawaii. I've been, Yeah, I've been there. You have? Yeah. Hawaii and Maui in two way too. So Oahu's where we met. It's, it's great because you can find anything to do. They have city, they have mountains and nature, beaches all around. Like a lot. Of how big is the island? Like big enough that you could like. You can all drive around all of them in a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The main island, Hawaii, Kona, yeah, that's the biggest island. That one we haven't been to.

12:02 Yeah. Funny enough, our dog, which we're getting on Sunday. From Kona. We're naming it. Nice. We're naming it Kona, but there's another story behind that. The beer. It's the beer. I do it. There's Kona Brewery, which we was one of our favorite like date nights we would have when we were in Hawaii. The the brewery was there in Where was the brewery? The brewery? Yeah. Where was it? Which? Which? It's in Oahu, OK. They might have it on different islands, I'm not sure. But when you go there, they have like, Kona coffee. They have Maui coffee. Yeah. Maui brewery, Sweet. It's like every island has their brewery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. So Oahu is where we had a lot of our memories and, and our the first couple days of our trip, we started there, kind of revisited a lot of the good restaurants and food and things that we had already done. And then Kauai was meant to be like our adventurous island. We knew it was a lot more land.

12:52 Yeah. Underdeveloped, more sightseeing. Yeah. More authentic. Yeah. Probably to the culture and age. Yeah, for sure. And then Maui was supposed to be where we kind of hung out and relaxed, tapered off of our honeymoon. That's like more like Miami, like the beach, like commercial, like touristy, kind of live, right? And it felt like that it felt very resorty. Yeah. It didn't feel like it had that, like, you know, that Aloha. Yeah. It felt like to be honest, a lot of money goes there and I'm sure builds and it seems like it pushes the locals out. That's don't get me wrong, Maui has beautiful. And we'll have some of our favorite memories there as well. But if we had to pick one island to go to, it would be Kawaii.

13:34 The reason being is just like, First off, we stayed at a hotel in the city in Oahu. That's cool, which is really cool. You can go around and walk to a lot of cool places. Waikiki Beach is right there. The famous Waikiki Beach. What's famous about it I never heard of? It I think it's just, it's the beach that's right there in the city. And so the most amount of like, attraction. Yeah, it's beautiful. I I think they landscape it like a lot. That's cool. Keep it. And then you see you could run into Adam Sandler, Cardi B, like any celebrity, you might just pass on Waikiki Beach, Kawaii. All the beaches I feel like are very secluded. Like you can, there's so many beaches as you're just driving around.

14:23 You could pull off anywhere and stop. And there's a almost like a private beach where it's not a lot of people, beautiful views. And then you drive another 5-10 minutes up the road, pull off at another beach. And that's exactly what we did. So we landed at Kauai like 8 in the morning. We got there so early and the Airbnb check insurance at 4:00 PM Yeah, we got all day. It's like an hour and a half N from the airport. What do we do all day? Right. So we figured we're kind of tired because it was an early flight. We set up late night at 4:00. So let's just go hit a beach and hang out there. We'll kind of kill time as we move N towards Airbnb first beach. We How you?

15:03 Getting around you rent a car. We had a rental car. Yeah, we got a rental car and the first beach we stopped at, we pass out. It was it was great. And we wake up probably 20 minutes later, which is a scary thing because in Hawaii you get burnt easily. We didn't put sunscreen on. The sun is just different there. Like someone from North coming to Florida. And they cry so. We pass out and she wakes me up so that she wakes me up because we we both kind of wake up to the rain starting to like drip down on us like Oh my God, how long have we been passed out checking our skin to see if we're. Yeah, OK. Yeah. And we're like, oh, it must not have been that long. And it was just like, they call them pineapple showers because it's just like, yeah, I guess you guys are in Hawaii. And it's these quick showers.

15:53 Like, yeah, it clears up so fast after by the time we went to the car, find out where we're going to go next, 10 minutes up north, we're going to grab a bite to eat. Well, it already stopped raining by the time we got there. So we grabbed something quick and went straight back to the beach and just hung out at another beach and. I have the patience to sit on beaches dude. It drives me. Crazy. We love it. Dude I have to work on that all myself. I have a hard time sitting still for like anything. OK. So, and that's why I think it's so beneficial to go to these places for people who are living in a city or yeah, yeah, you're, you're, you're living a busy life. It's fast-paced and around a lot of people.

16:33 And then you go somewhere like that. And it is it can be uncomfortable at first because you sit down and there's just nothing but nature and not a lot of people. And you might not even have cell service. So you're like, I can't doom scroll? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm not worried about the doom scrolling, you know? But anything to, like keep you busy, like compared to there. And what I think it is is that the nature's just always kind of moving. So if you sit still and it kind of tunes you back into your senses, which takes you out of that like hyperactive mindset. Yeah, that's a good way of describing it. Slows things down. You kind of like, have to listen to the birds and the trees ruffling. Yeah. Take time to smell. OK.

17:15 Like you. The air is different here. Yeah. It feels wet. It feels fragrant with the flowers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And as you kind of sit and dwell on that, I don't know, I just. Think yeah, for sure. You definitely. Can can slow down and find that piece. So that's why personally I love Kauai because you've got the most amount of that there and it's just beautiful, man. But. You go to the beach all the time here, dude. You spend most you spend. You're always at the Hollywood Beach or Florida. Beach, right. We why? We're 10 minutes from the beach, just a straight shot. So for us it's easy. I don't know how to be when we move to a different location and yeah, and we're a little, it's more of a hassle to get to the beach, but for most you have. A pool. You have a pool, it's in the backyard.

17:55 And that's another thing, once we get a pool, it might be game over because for us, as long as our outdoors soaking up some sun, the water's there to cool us off. But I don't mean there's nothing like the beach. It's. It really is, by the way. There's something, there's something spiritual about it too. There's something like very like, very primal about like, like the horizon ocean, you know, sand, just like the feeling of that going on forever. Yeah, You know, I think that's a good way to put it. Even the the spiritual side of it, maybe not everybody picks up on that unless they are really attuned to that's their spiritual side.

18:37 But I think for me personally, that's that's another. Thing I mean, people feel it. I think that people feel it, that it's just a subconscious appreciation. Like when you're like, for some reason I feel rejuvenated when I walk away from the beach. Like I feel like I kind of like stand to like live life like another couple of days, you know, like, exactly like that, like that, that is. Like the grounding, right? For sure. Like just having your toes in warm sand and being connected to Mother Nature. Yeah. The the ocean, like it all just brings you back to your senses, you know? Yeah, yeah, it's really interesting, man. It's really interesting. I I, I, I'm, I'm really curious to see as you progress like in the in like these because you're going, you're going through a lot like right now is rapid change and then like dogs are rapid change and you know, it's God's help kids whenever that happens, it's it's a crazy change.

19:29 And like, and you, I think you start to, for me, there was like this really crazy shift where in my perception of life where instead of me feeling like there's supposed to be something I'm supposed to be doing, there's like, I don't feel responsible for almost anything except for like the well-being of my family, you know, and like everything else, like I kind of figure out how to make that work for them. But I don't think that. That mindset can happen without something like taking on the responsibility of, you know, a spouse or a pet or a kid, because I think that forces your brain to evolve. I think it force.

20:20 I think it forces your priorities to shift. I think it force. And like a lot of people when they do like I I one thing that I've noticed speaking to a lot of cool and crazy people and even listening to a lot of people talk like one thing that everyone has in common is that the people that have done the most interesting things and the most like furthered humanity are people that do not look. Hey everyone real quick if you're enjoying the show click subscribe and rate the show 5 stars helps a ton thanks so much. Look at life like a system that they have to figure out a play, but a series of games that they can choose to play and you can kind of take yourself in and out of each one of them. You know, like the way I, the way I thought of the example I thought of was, you know, no, like you can't control the hand you're dealt, but you could control what game you're playing.

21:11 With that hand, right? I love that you say that because recently I had some I had heard someone relate life to a game of poker like and and it's so true because you can't control the hand you're dealt where you can control how you play that hand right and just because you're dealt. But I'm saying 1 even further, I'm saying who's to tell you that that that that hand is bad? It depends what game you, you your game, what table you want to sit down at. Yeah, if you want to play poker, that might not be a good hand to gamble with. But if you want to play blackjack, that might be a much better hand. Yeah. And so I think that most people feel like they have to play one game in in this world. And in reality, there's a whole a bunch of different games to play, you know, there's a whole bunch of different lifestyles to live and ways to live and communities to live with, to check out and like experiences to have in industries that like, I think people, you know, and people are afraid that a lot of the very typical glorified type of white collar fancy tech jobs that that have been so valued in the past or losing value tremendously. And like people don't know where to turn to now. Like kind of feels like there's a collapse in like, but what do like the elite, the more elite educated class of people do now that their that their specialty feels like it's useless. You know I.

22:36 Like where you're going with that? I think there's a couple things that hit on there. The the shift, the mindset shift. You have the family now. It's like, OK, things totally change and I have to really focus, focus on my family. You focus on your job or like close that deal. You focus like making sure your kids OK, you know, like. The reason? The why behind it? Shifts. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But I don't think that is necessarily true to everybody. I I know people who who have kids and they're still kind of living in an immature oh, I hear you style. And so I'm curious like. For. You do you feel like, what do you think actually led to that? Because it's not that. It's not.

23:16 But do you feel like you had to reflect? Yeah, no, dude, it's all religious. Decisions. Or do you feel like it was who you were around? No, it's all religion. It was your religion. It was religion for sure. Yeah. It was religion, it. Gives you a good framework. It gives me that's right, that's right, that's. Right, you to really embody that right and, and carry that with you, which is where not everybody's able to do that. I, I know people who are even in my past calling myself a Christian, I wasn't always living that way. And it was when I had a kind of a change with my faith that I feel like I became more internally aware and and focused on like my household. But you know why? I bet it's because you made that like you made it yours, like the religion that you and I think everyone has to experience. Everyone that is like really strong and intentional and deep in their faith as they get older, almost has to deviate a little bit from the way that they grew up because that was given to them.

24:18 And then a lot of times what makes it connect to you is that it becomes your own identity and becomes your own relationship today. And so like you're. Parenting yourself like you just kind of have to go back. That's right. That's right. Somewhere along the lines, you know you have to question everything you believe and everything that makes you who you are. That was. Or at least. Question where, where? Where is it coming from? Did you? For me, it was a big. You mentioned that about a couple of times when we, when we spoke in the past, you know, and each time we, you know, you were at a different phase as, as, as to like where you like we're at. It's always so interesting because I feel like I I'm always evolving. It started when I transitioned from high school to the military. The military kind of sparked that for me, where I had to become my own individual.

25:04 I was away from my family. I had to figure things out on my own. So I think that is maybe that that missing piece. Yeah. When did you kind of sever yourself from like maybe leaning on family or friends or like help and Yeah, and start to kind of become your own man where responsibilities fall back on you? Yeah. Because I and maybe that's where like, OK, you might. Some people can have a family, but they never seem to grow up. Yeah. And maybe it's because they still feel reliant. Yeah, of course. On on other people. Sure, sure. For me, it was the military. I had to become my own, my own man. But then I've evolved like every time I had to move bases, which was like every 2-3 years, I remember I sat back and and I wasn't even a reflective person at the time, but I said OK. The friend groups, the decisions, everything I've made here, I have an opportunity at my next base to not carry that baggage with me, to not carry.

26:02 Or to carry it over, if you're happy to. Carry a good thing. Yeah, exactly. And and better those things because everybody sees you for how they've known you in the past. Sometimes it can be really hard to break those stigmas. Sure. Which also if everyone looks at Ephraim and says this guy used to party back in the days, you know, like that stigma. Whatever it is, it's. Really hard to then be the responsible business professional and everyone's else's images. Yeah, yeah. Same thing with family. Like so until you can release yourself of those expectations, those projections, all these associations, all these associations, yeah, that's I think where the mindset shifts.

26:43 For sure, for sure. And that's why there's there's a Jewish expression that basically translates to in order to change your luck, if you like, you're down in your luck, change where you live, like get up and go because like a lot of times it's not even necessarily your quote UN quote luck. And as much as it's listen, everyone is a product of their environment to a certain extent, and everyone also influences the environment they create. A lot of times we might get stuck in that. And like, I, dude, I know I was just back in New York for a couple of weeks at my parents house. I'm a different human being than my parents house. And like, you know, I'm much less productive. I'm much less on top of things. Like I kind of revert back to being like a kid, like a kid more and parents. Yeah.

27:23 And it drives me nuts. I'm so aware of it. And I'm like, I, and you know, I love being there and I love spending time with my family, but it drives me like on a personal level, I'm like, like over here, I'm like, like, I'm the head of the Fed, you know, like I, I, I got, I, I cover, I take care of shit, you know, like, you got to get, you got to get shit done. You got, you got bills to pay. You got, you got a house that's always on the verge of falling apart with kids running around ripping it apart. And like, if you're not on top of it, who's going to be? And you know, and then they're like the. Same way as shit in my own house. I'm like, is it going wrong and let the RAC broke recently and I I honestly, I sat on it for a second and my wife is like the day it breaks. She's like Floridians worst nightmare. Yeah, dude, it's.

28:05 Going to be. Panic I'm. Going. To die, she's like, I want to stay with my with my and my parents, you know, my experience. I'm like, I could sleep in this for a month, Like we'll get to it when we get to it. But like, you know, and then like you're with the floors, you're like one day you're like, you know, this is my household. I have to also take in consideration of the wants and needs of the whole household. Yeah, that's what that's what forces you to evolve, dude. Yeah, those decisions and that train of thought, it forces you evolve because it forces you to make thoughtful, intelligent decisions that push aside your present need for whatever kind of, you know, satisfaction or whatever kind of pleasure you're looking for at the moment, even if it's doing nothing like that is a pleasure too, you know, like sitting on the couch and not getting up is a pleasure, you know, and succumbing to that for the long term happiness of yourself, your relationship, your kids, your wife, whatever it is. And so I want to take what you're talk, what we're talking about and piece that back in because this is it's very important.

29:12 And I think the mindset Dad just lost my train of thought there. Oh man, hang on. We're talking about being your own person. The evolution of giving up the short term pleasures for the long term happiness. That's what makes That's what forces your brain to evolve. Yes. OK. So that the mindset because we're talking about like obviously how we can like better the world, like that's or how our perspective has changed. But I think you're saying people are confused with like where we go in life, like the high paid jobs, like. Yeah, our our our definition of meaning and values, yes, are very much up in the air.

29:56 It's. Changing a lot right now. This is something I've pondered on a lot as I'm trying to predict where I want to do the future and what what impact I want to have on the world so. What you've been thinking recently? I've been listening to Carl Young's, yeah, you know, a little bit of philosophy, the history, philosophies and all of this. So my mind is like all over the place with with that kind of deeper consciousness thinking. But the mindset in general, I think that's where we lack in because we're all on social media. We all want, we all see these like great images. And until you sit back and have that reflection and can kind of pick apart why it is what you want, that's where I think people will say, you know what, I was chasing something that was impressed on me or because of my circumstances. Yeah, yeah, sure.

30:48 And the family and things like that are what kind of make you look a little bit more internally and hopefully spark that conversation within of what you really want. And I speak personally because going in the military, I wanted a certain thing. Getting out of the military with real estate, I wanted a certain thing. And until, like I said, 2025 when I started evaluating why was that, I wanted those things on a much deeper level of like, not just, OK, I want that because I want to make a lot of money and that's going to be good for my family. That was basically my mindset. Which is not a bad mindset, by the way. It's not, it's not a bad mindset. You're kind of masking it with.

31:29 You're doing this for my family, but I know too many people who that's the mindset they have. And by the time they get the money, the family's not there because they focused too much on one area. And I guess what I'm getting at is that I think the initial thing we, we have people trying to figure out the end goal, but they need to do more mindset work. They need to work on who they are. You know, I look at myself like a like a puzzle that is broken apart and I can, I have to look back on my upbringing, not just my upbringing, my, my parents upbringing and not bring emotions to these things, dude, and then piece it back in together.

32:11 And I can take things that I learned and experience and bring that with me. And if there's things that I don't, it's not like I have to blame anybody else for that. It's I'm this way because of choices I've made. But I don't want to take that carrying forward, and the vision I have for the future isn't just based off of why I need to make money for this one reason. I'm really piercing picking that apart, finding my why behind it. And dude, it's for me been monuments to. Change, but it's also the best thing that you could do for yourself because this is you're stripping, you're finding a way. Life is for people to understand life or the purpose of their lives or to try to find direction of their lives. They have to everyone, like you said, these puzzle pieces that are broken apart or like we have all these or like another way to think about it is like we are whether we like you're not like almost like a giant snowball of all of experiences. We have like our core and like all this snow has been getting packed on like in all different directions and they're kind of sticking to us.

33:08 You got to like get back one layer at a time in order to say like, what was really at my core, like, you know, and the question is if I am just able, like, if I say that money is to support my family and I am paying my bills and my kids are eating and we go on a vacation once a year and we can afford our rent and my kids are going to school, then like, what am I chasing more money than that for? And then at that point the question becomes, well, then, like now that my family is taken care of, care of, now what? And the answer is that there's a lot more to taking care of your family than just giving them A and giving them a credit card or a couple of a couple of a couple of bills. Exactly. There's there, you know, and there's, there's a it's interesting that there's a the first commandment in Judaism in the Bible really is God tells Adam and Eve is to have kids and to multiply and to spread out all over the earth. That was like the first commandment for all humanity is the continuation of life like that is like, I think the purpose of everything purpose of everything. I've been thinking about this a lot is a combination of explore, adventure and exploration and nurture, care and love and like that.

34:19 And, and those two points require like that same level of a yin Yang balance each other out left, right brain, however you want to call it, like the, the part that's always pushing boundaries and going out there. And the other part and that's, that's also literally liberal and conservative, right? Because liberal and conservative are literally trying to conserve XY and Z values. And the liberals are pushing the envelope and saying, well, what makes you think that this is the value that we need to conserve? And sometimes the idea is tested and fails. Sometimes that ideal is tested and succeeds and you can kind of see which parts. But as a whole that society really think like really holds up. And, you know, and then and obviously there's all sorts of factors that go into, you know, aside from what people think, what people will say, right, what people are comfortable saying.

35:08 And, you know, I mean, especially talking, you know, almost 200 episodes for a couple of years, I'm definitely aware of the fact that, like, you have to think a lot before you say anything, any podcast. And like, that in and of itself is definitely a form of censorship. That definitely is like a form of hesitation. But I'm not 100, you know, I guess I'm not 100% confident enough in myself and my ideas that I'm willing to say that without any filter and still consider that, you know, that's also the other. Thing I fall in the same box a lot because there's a lot of things where like I get excited I learned something new, I'm exploring an idea and to speak to somebody who maybe doesn't understand it can feel deflating because like, for sure you go, yeah, you want to have this like methodical conversation. And to them they, they see it one sided and are not open to like kind of like like exploring. Yeah, the option, sure, because sometimes we learn just by talking through things.

36:05 I might say something and then as I'm saying, I'm like, OK, maybe I don't, maybe that's not right or or like, I don't know. I talk through things that way. Yeah, that's a good way to think though. I think that being too, I think that there's, there's a difference between not being too sure of yourself and also being afraid to say what you think. They're two very different things. Yeah, to say for me to have an opinion on some on events, a political event, historical event, you know, social event, whatever it is, I can say I think that I think this like I'm not sure what my thoughts are and I'm working on this. And then there's I have my thoughts and I just don't want to say it because. I've always been the person too afraid to say my thoughts out of a fear of judgement, out of fear of maybe I could get questioned or, or it's not wrong or perceived the right way. And until I sat down, I picked apart my beliefs, put them back together.

36:57 I strengthened my foundation of who I am, of who I wanna be and who I what I believe. Yeah, that's when I had those conversations. Now, I'm not afraid to talk to somebody and ask questions. We have to talk through, or that's how it should be. And I think that society has pushed us into these like, don't ask questions, like don't offend people. We're very meek, we're very mild. We're very like like and social media has kind of done that because social media has given us the, we talked about this a bunch. It gives us a substitute or texting you and has given us a substitute for having, instead of having confrontational conversations where you could just send them in a text and be like, I don't feel like people do it with phone calls now.

37:38 People are afraid to answer the phone or to call someone up and just you'd be like, hey, I haven't spoken to you in a while, you know, what are you up to? How's it been? And. We've been conditioned that way and it's, I see it all the time. So where do you think that? Where do you, because I like the conversation where we're going with people finding purpose because it's something I've been doing. Like I said, 2025 was a big year for me, the end of 2024 where I started questioning myself, my faith, my career. Yeah. My everything. Yeah. And it took me months. I mean, all of 2025, I feel like was picking it apart, piercing it together. It's not a slow process.

38:21 It's or it is a slow process. It shouldn't be a fast process. Yeah. And so when do you feel like you've done that? And and how do you feel like is the best route someone can go to find purpose in their life? Oh. Man. Hopefully that's not like too deep of a question. No, it's not. So you're asking a how do I find? Like how do I find purpose? Or how do I find? Yeah, you seem like you're very intentional, solid in what you're doing in life. And like you said, you're it's a mindset where people you can wake up and and say, Oh my gosh, I have all these things, I'm behind or whatever. Or you can say I'm going to take the day as it is. I know that my family is taken care of. Like my mindset is that things are going to work out and I have a plan.

39:07 Yeah. Like a way to find happiness in in balance in all areas of life because you know that life is it is like a game. And it is one you can step in of and step out of. Yeah. Yeah. I've. Just I've. I've just learned. I've just learned, thankfully, that then because I've been bad at particular games my whole life and like these are the usual games that most people go through, like the classroom school or like classroom form of education or, you know, even the standard way of job of job and business, right? Like all the, I've had to go side routes with everything I had to I, you know, I've always had to find alternative methods of learning, of expressing myself, of even find, you know, even with, with work, like finding my niche within the business because I don't work the same way my dad does even a little, a little bit. And but if I don't find any way I work, then I'm not doing it, you know, then I'm not making any money. So I almost kind of had to learn the hard way by being someone that does like I'm generally a square that's trying to get, you know, that was in a circle system. And so I realized eventually.

40:15 That, and this only happened, I think after I got out of college, a couple years after college was my friends had my friends did everything that I was supposed to be doing, right. A lot of my friends were very successful in the very stereotypical sense, in the sense that they got great grades in school, they did their athletics and they got into good colleges and they and they got great degrees and then they got this wonderful corporate job that started. And it's super exciting. You know, senior year of high school, going to MIT, going to Stanford, going to Yale, going to going to, you know, Columbia. And then you have people in Colombia studying, you know, rocket science and, you know, and computer science and, and, and, and investment banking.

40:56 And then these guys graduate. You know, a lot of the guys that say the accountants get a job at one of these big accounting firms. They fucking hate their lives, right, Even though they have the job that they've been working for the entire lives. They did everything they do they they went through the whole process and they're stuck in the city in an apartment that is too expensive that they can't afford, but they have to be by because they have to be close to work and they can't afford to take time off. And you know, their, their life is enormously restricted. And all of a sudden I found out I was making a little bit less money at the time, but my life was way more flexible and fun. And I was like, wait a minute. Like I'm in like North Carolina this week and like I'm in the office and next week and I'm running back and forth to do this.

41:37 And like, and then I'm learning like the insurance and out of like there's a whole dealer side of like every industry, like, you know, there's a wholesale side. And then there's the, you know, the, the customer facing side. And like, oh, this is how you got, yeah, this is how you like source, source a product that someone's looking for. And even if I never sold it in my entire life, there's ways to do it. Just all this. And I'm like, oh, like, I just was not good at that at that game. And like, I had these cards in my hand and I was not a good poker player, but I'm a way better blackjack player. I'm a way better crafts player. And so I decided to stop playing poker and to switch over to crafts. And I mean, the truth is that it's really hard for me now to see people in my life that are from the poker days, you know, because that kind of reminds me of a point in time where I was more of a joke, didn't fit in.

42:25 Like, you know, it was kind of the guy that like everyone like liked and like knew was like, I was in a dummy, you know, But like, I wasn't doing well. I wasn't doing well in class. I wasn't like, I didn't have a plan for the future. I was like, oh, what's going to do is like, yeah, you'll figure it out. You know, like, we'll see. So there was the least certainty. And then and then when I realized that with that, and then the other thing I realized was the value of patience and time. And that happened with guitar because I'm not a natural guitar player. I'm not musician general. I don't have an ear. And so like for me to get to like where someone would be at six months probably took me a year and. 1/2 I would like to learn the guitar. But it took me a year and a half, but a year and a half of doing something and then seeing the slow progress made me realize I don't need to beat myself up about anything. Like if I like, if there's any reason, if there's anything I want to do and I'm not good at it, it's only because I haven't invested enough time in it.

43:16 And it's nothing to do with what my capabilities are. And I actually think most people in this world are like that. I think that most people need time to learn a skill and don't have the patience or give up because we're used to, you know, short term tourism, gratification, so many other aspects of our lives that the, the long game is actually a great game. It's a fun game to play and that, and that becomes the game of raising a family and that becomes the game of starting a company and that becomes a game of discovering yourself. Because you know what? I thought that I was a piano. I, I love piano and then I started playing guitar and I fell in love with guitar and then I found the piano again and I'm like, but I'm revisiting as a whole new human being and I'm like, I don't even like, I couldn't even conceive of like these worlds that like I'd be participating in with the piano. And I didn't go through that whole that whole process first. Yeah, you got to take the good and the bad for what it is. Just have patience, man everything I I I I I and then if you believe in God and you believe in a in God, fate, destiny, a long term, like a universal love, oneness, truth, that that is reality that it and you know that we're coming. I think that the the most dangerous part of the world is getting so many people to forget that in such a regular basis that we are part of like the most beauty. And that's why I've been recently listening a lot to a lot of like the, you know, UFO type of, you know, UAP, alternative energy, nuclear, you

44:47 know, and like all these crazy things and part of the part of the what's attractive my child. Don't know too much, you'll be the next on the list. Dude, I'll tell you. We'll talk about I want, we'll talk about that in in 2 seconds, dude, because I have some crazy shit about that man, but. But that's what life is. It's like you should. That's why you can have a more positive aspect. I've every time I talk to you, dude, you're, you're always happy and excited. And yeah, there's so much to be excited about. Dude, and that's how we should look at life. Like if you're in something that's making you really unhappy, you just you need to evaluate it and honestly sit down and say, is there a path out of this? Like either for me, for example, I got to the point of like being on my hands and knees in tears, upset at like why I was feeling the way I was.

45:42 Why was I so upset? How did I end up in the position I'm in? What am I lacking? What am I missing? And even though everything around me from the outside looking in looked great, everything looked good. You know, relationships, great work, great everything, but internally something was missing and it was the authenticity of who I am. And I realized that. And this is where I really started getting into reflection through meditation and, and prayer and, and I realized, you know what I didn't? There was, there was things with the military that politics and whatever that I didn't always enjoy, but it fulfilled me in, in a lot of ways that it gave your mission to get through.

46:28 It gave me purpose. Exactly. It's a family. Exactly. It gave me a little bit of like that tribal community, that people. It's more than tribal because you can see the people that you were in it with were willing to put their lives aside and sell and fly across the country or fly across the world to celebrate with you. That's not just tribal like that is like. It meets several areas and that's again, that's why I'm in jiu jitsu right now. That's how we met. That's right. That's because when I went through the process of saying these are the pillars of my life that like, I want to focus on my relationships with my friends and family, my fitness, my spirituality, my finances.

47:09 And then all of a sudden your nine to five job doesn't become the end all be all. It's. Not the end all be all. And you can look at when you when you find those pillars within your own life of what bring you balance. You could say, OK, maybe I'm going to sacrifice more in this area. Maybe work is is stressing me out, but because I'm aware of what brings me wholeness, I can dive in a little bit more on something else. For me, yeah, I chose to do a marathon. That was when I the reason I chose that was because I felt so down. I felt like life was spinning out of control and and I didn't. Have yeah. And occasionally to to like a direction, like a perfect a purpose to hang on to something to. It's a force of gravity in your life that you can revolve around it.

47:49 Yeah, at that point I said, you know what? Like it's not what is going to be. I'm not going to go be an athlete. That's not going to change my world. I have to stick in the business I'm in. But this is the decision I can make that's going to give me control, that brings me fulfillment. Awesome. And through that process, through the challenge and the the process of doing the marathon, I was able to wake up everyday and feel happier. Wasn't like I was rolling out of bed, like, you know, upset with things. I had something to look forward to. Yeah. And. And if. Your whole life becomes that because when you make decisions, your whole life becomes these projects, these seeds that you're watering and you're watching and like, they're all happening at different points too. If you imagine like, you know, like backyard, you just start water. You know what you said?

48:33 You plant different seeds at different points of your life and you're watering it every day and like some seed just starts popping up and all of a sudden another one pops up and you're like, oh shit, I forgot I even planted that. You know, I'm like. And the fact that you're doing it, the fact that you're planting the seeds means you believe in tomorrow. Yeah. You're believing in the future. Yeah, it's bringing. That's also the purpose. That's also the purpose. To the now, that's right, you're not going to do it if you don't believe tomorrow's going to come or tomorrow's you're going to see the fruition. And that's the blending of the adventure and the and, and and the nurture and the path and the care of, of what humanity is all about. And listen, at the end of the day, if you think about it like big picture, what, what life is going to lead to is definitely more life like, it's more travelling, it's access to more life. Like, like what we're doing right now is we're living on a plane where we only have access to XY and Z, very limited things.

49:22 But we're so close. I, I with nurture, we're a sea that's just ready. Like I, I really believe humanity is a sea that's ready to kind of just like pop out of the soil. And we're we're struggling to pop out of the soil and we're right there. We're finally at a point where it's like people are kind of awake to the idea that we don't need war to solve a. Problem. Dude, it's incredible. Have been through our barbaric years for thousands of years and like people are in in the West part of the country, aren't they don't know what's happening in the east part of the country in today's technological age we do and we can say you know what I would. BS is called out everywhere, dude. Everywhere, everywhere.

50:04 It's. Incredible share a beer with somebody in Afghanistan who I was in the military to fight against that thing. So it's like you start to see humans as humans, not as these cultures and, and everything. And, and when you look at life that way, I think it does change your perspective. I, I've had such a perspective shift being out of the military and kind of looking back on things and seeing where my mindset was in the military and the things that I was training for. And and now it's just I just have such a different perspective. Yeah. I appreciate people and human connection more. That's everyday because that's what it's about.

50:45 And you have conversations with people. Our lack of communication is, I think, a big reason why we get into conflicts. Just people not willing to understand each other, People who want power, people who want just, I don't know, to me it's like, and that's why I love kawaii. That's why everybody should go to a place where you can separate from it all the systems and the stress and the people wanting to have a specific persona and you just kind of reconnect with nature, like our roots. And you know, if you don't, if you don't have purpose in life or know what's happening or you're stressing and feeling, there's, there's a lot of anxiety and depression today. And it's because there's a lot of comparison through social media.

51:35 I'm. Sure. A lot of news. A lot of, A lot of. Bad news on the news. It really dude, I went and got a new phone the other day and the guy at AT&T was like 19 years old and he's like man, I don't know like the there's there's no future for me like a is taking over the I just graduated now we're going to war like they feel like there's generation that feels lost but. That generation is going to reject the things that got us there. I have a lot of hope for this generation. Me too, because I think that. Dude, they're religious. They're more religious than they're more religious. More people are going to church. They. Have to, dude, we have to have something to fall back. Yeah, dude, the paradigm, the perspectives that have built everything we have now it there has been progression.

52:20 We're not living in the 1500s where we're just like killing people because we think they're a witch, you know. But but now like people have become more civilized. Technology is being built that I think it's scary to a lot of people because the hands it's in. But my positive outlook is that that technology is it's going to be kind of you should read this into, I would love to because you read a lot of interesting things and talk to a lot of interesting people. But I think that the generation coming up is, is going to be able to kind of hijack that technology for the good. Because I hope that the people, as long as we are not forced into some oppression or like way where we cannot take, have our own control and freedoms, we are a generation that can now utilize this this technology for the benefit of humanity, not just the groups.

53:11 We're with it. We have to get the bad people out, man. There there's there's. A There's a lot of them at the Hell, I think. We're about to go into like our generation is. We need to build some strong leaders. We need to that's, but you know what? That's, I think that is the that has that is by far the biggest issue in the country right now or one of the biggest issues in the country right now is that goes hand in hand that we talked about earlier, that social isolation, that fear of stepping up that, that like this kind of Americans used to be Cowboys. We were nuts. Like, you know, like we didn't care about rules. And like, you know what? If you have a rule, fuck you and force it. You know, like you're not. Good luck trying to. Keep it smoke my stogie where? You know, and like and and and but that's kind of what made to a certain extent.

53:58 But and and again, I think you can have that spirit of rebellion without being a shit person. I think that those that those like you don't have to have one and be the other necessarily. That spirit of rebellion is what built this country. The. Spirit of rebellion is the foundation, I think of of monotheism, of Abrahamic monotheism, for the most part was the idea. Yeah, the spirit of rebellion. It was iconoclasm. And it's not bad to stand up to what you think is wrong with rebelling is it's within our nature. We all rebelled. We rebelled against our parents through history, you see it. But The thing is now hopefully this.

54:40 Rebellion equals good doesn't. Need to be war and slaughter and and and impressing on people. It just needs to be everybody kind of saying we don't need this, This is wrong. But I will say I, I myself, I'm not at the point of and I'd like to learn more about this and dive deeper into this like we need the systems we've built, we need like, you know. Like what? So what systems are we talking about? OK, so like for example, how can we, like we all love the community we have, but how often do most people go out and donate their time and their skills for free to help the community? Not often.

55:21 Most people don't ever do it so. Well, what we say is that you're paying taxes to have to have designated people do that. Exactly. And so if and so, but people right now are like, let's not pay taxes, taxes. Well, they they don't want to pay federal taxes. They. Don't want it? OK, so, but that's. Federal and state taxes are funded are pretty funded. Like I I love the city of Hollywood, like being in Hollywood as a resident and a homeowner for four years now. Awesome, awesome. They're they're on top of their shit and like you, people can complain. South Florida's cramps. They're like they're expanding the highway, they're doing construction, they're building sidewalks, like like they're on top of their game. They have these back alleys for the garbage trucks to go through.

56:02 And I'm happy to throw money into that. But you know what? Federal taxes, fuck you. You know, I mean, like, what are you talking about over here? This is crazy. There are literally laws that are that are passed from both sides of the aisle that the executive branch doesn't feel like carrying out, right. And that, you know what they say, fuck you. Yeah. And so you know what? So when someone says so, and yeah, of course there are larger scheme consequences. But you know what? I think that. And the issue is that it's become so extreme that people do tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater as far as, like, what do you need anything for, you know? But the truth is, if you think about this and like, I don't, I never like the point of education, right? Government being involved in education historically has been the worst thing ever for America, has been the worst thing ever.

56:46 If you look at at the statistics and the numbers of how Americans are doing in school versus how much money has been vested per kid in America as a result of the public school education. There's a direct correlation between the amount of money being put in and the and, and, and, and how poorly students are doing. So like when you say like we care about education, we have to, we have to look at the source of correlation. We have to say or 'cause it, you know, there's something there, there's some kind of relationship between the more money they supposed to be going this to Department of Education. For some reason, Americans are doing off on education year after year after year after year. You can blame code, you can blame whatever. You want look at what kids want to be when they grow up. Compared to what? 20 years and that's but that shows meaning and that shows meaning in value you want to. Be a social media influencer.

57:31 That because what else are you going to be? Or an. Astronaut dogs are going to be taken by AI. Lawyers going to be taken by AI. Code is going to be taken by AI, you know, like a lot of the ambition, but that. But The thing is I hope that it's. So what I would say is when those things are covered now you say and I think this about my life and this actually was is what helps me do so much my life, what process and this will actually I got this from reading about Elon Musk. What processes are unnecessary that I could cut out guilt free and everything could still run fine and I'll still be OK? Yeah. You know, and like, like when you look at like life like that, like I'm not trying to not, I'm not trying to avoid responsibility. I'm trying to be the most effective I could be. And guess what?

58:18 I don't need an account now. So now I could be XY and Z more effective at rocket science. You know, I'm so much more interested in that, you know, I'm so much, you know, like I think the idea of an AI tax is awesome for all the people that are layoff and the AI job that replaces them, that X percent, because now the companies aren't paying employees. All this money's found money, good X percent tax on top of that, on top of every employee that you have going back into the people. And now you know what? Let's have a creative resurgence. Let's have a renaissance of art. Let's let's work on our infrastructure. Yeah, dude, technology, people. When people don't want to, when people don't have to do the hard labor, the bad, the bad effort, breaking labor, you could participate in something more meaningful.

59:02 You know, but the this is where we're going to go through this shift with people who we've spent years and years building, putting people in cubicles all day long, on assembly lines all day long and, and people find their purpose now within these career fields and now. We're. Stripping that away. And so that's a big question I've been asking myself. As you know, it's not a bad thing inherently that AI is going to replace it. We just have to dream bigger. We need to dream. Bigger, bigger. We need to rediscover what made America, America. We need to discover that that excitement right now. The fact that we have so much UFO evidence, the fact that 12 as of a yesterday or 13 scientists related to UFOs have been killed or disappeared literally and then everyone is like can't be anything.

59:57 What the fuck? We're America, dude. What are you talking about, dude? It's nothing. What kind of what kind of dictatorship, lunatic, you know, government are we living under? And what kind of social media? Serious oligarchs like by the way, And like, I don't use that word like like when I say this. Social media and AI companies have the ability have enough money, have enough revenue and capital and employees to literally be more powerful than most other countries on this world. They are greater than most countries. And you know, Chile, you want to look at the Chile in South America, look what AI is doing to that country. You look that they're buying land for data set for data centers. They're taking that they need to use clean water for that, for cooling, for the, for the AI systems.

1:00:41 They're taking from the budget of the people and, and, and, and, and, and they're and, and basically who all these AI companies, three or four of them, Meta, open AI, Microsoft, Amazon, they're, they're, they're basically digitizing and robotizing countries at a time just to extract all the resources. And the people are like I do, I, the governments aren't going to say no because it means that they get money. And I think literally listen, at the end of the day, these end of times, you know, whatever religion you're a part of and whatever, like everyone has the same common story. There's going to be a time of great oppression. There's going to be a time.

1:01:22 And like, you know, it's funny because the you know, in Judaism, at least from the Jewish perspective, we say that the final exile that we're in now is supposed to be a prototype of the one in Egypt that happened in the Bible. And one, and you know, the main thing was like, you have these, you have the, you have a population, you have the populace, you have 70 people that came down and they turned into a hundreds of thousands of millions of people in the matter of 70 or 80 years. And like it's called the populace. And then you have the one leadership that's keeping them busy and working to the extent that they don't know how to break out. They're not even aware that they're slaves because they're just so focused on this great thing that they're building. And then the second that they become aware that they're slaves, they throw off the yoke of this meaningless responsibility that's being imposed on them.

1:02:10 And they're going to search for their own destiny. And they're going to go into the desert. They're going to go, they can go to the desert, they're going to space. They can go into they go into whatever they want to go to and receive fundamental understandings of what it means to be a conscious human being and not just an animal. And then, you know, and I was thinking a lot about this. We are animals, like, and then we don't like to think of ourselves. We shit like animal shit. We have to, we, we, you know, when we got horny like other animals. And like the question is, what is going to differentiate you? And that's our consciousness. Somewhere along. Yeah, exactly. And religion is that is evolution of consciousness. Don't act like the animal. It's a humanistic like we are the ones who run this world and everything else is just like a part.

1:02:52 Of dude, we're just an animal in this world, man, we're. Literally just another species as part of this. And that's why I love Kauai. That's why I love Kauai. You go there and you feel like a part of the oneness again. You feel like like nature's not that separate from you. You feel like you kind of have that more primalistic, those Nick that abilities like, OK, if I lived here, how would I survive if I didn't have a grocery store? Things close there at the only time and like restaurants aren't open all the time. There's not $100 around the. He was talking to someone who keeps kosher. Yeah, exactly. So like. But that's also the purpose. That's part of the.

1:03:32 Purpose and that is where we need to we've had a society built on this like everything's handed to us, especially in America. So when you go get out of that and you you change the perspective. Wow, these people, they don't rely on ever all the systems in front of them. So bringing that back, OK, I can play the game of the system, I can make the money, I can do the influence, the impact, whatever I want, but I need to be self-sufficient because, and that alone would give me purpose because now, OK, I sat down, I revised my life, who I want to be, what I want to do, and, and so if all of that was taken away, would my purpose be gone? Well, probably, right.

1:04:13 So if you stripped away your job tomorrow, you would still be Dalton in a very real sense because you have a sense of self that is completely independent of the work that you that that of your quote UN quote work that you're contributing to society. You have something else that you understand exists in a meaningful, real way that can be applied to anything around this. World and I don't think a lot of people have that. And that's what because that's what you could, by the way, if you want it, that's the next that is going to be the next most meaningful thing. And best by the potential career thing that you can do is in a time of great abundance where you don't have to work in a meaningless way. Now you have to be. You could teach people how to be intentional. You can teach people how to be meaningful. You can teach people how to find themselves. The two, by the way, Because again, I said that religion helped me.

1:05:01 Religion doesn't tell me what career to choose. Religion doesn't tell me how many kids to have, what my relationship with my wife to be should be like. Doesn't answer every question. It gives you it gives you the format and the healthiest, you know, like it gives you space to navigate in, in a healthy in a healthy manner that generally leans towards continuing life, adventure and care. That's what it's, that's what it's all about those three things. And like, apply that to anything. And then, you know, apply that to space travel. Apply that to bringing more life to other worlds. Think about how incredible that is that we have that, you know, and like, you know, and then you know, again, the Bible says, like God says, man, I made you like God. You can now influence the environment around you. You could create life in another place that you would like And and you know, one thing that I think we lost is being able to see the stars at night and being able to you know, I mean, I'm shy.

1:05:54 I don't know, Hawaii is like at night, dude. He. Dude, I look like I felt like I was looking out of like a globe where like just have a front like the sky is your windshield and you could see every constellation out there compared to here where like it's so much city pollution you don't really see the stars. Like that you lose wonder. I think it was appreciation if without seeing it. Yeah, the stars take you kind of past your own world. Like what's out there. It's it's I think the closest form to time travel because the same constellation is up there that 5000 years. Uh huh. The philosophy. It probably doesn't exist by the way too. Yeah, no, exactly. That light is long gone. It's just like. Still, we're just getting that light. Yeah, yeah.

1:06:35 So it's, I mean that's. But think about now the light that you could bring. And this is the same thing with the butterfly effect, the the impact of the decisions that we make. Think about how long that rebels for. Because time works the same time, works within the same way as light travelling, right? As far as, as far as we understand right now, the effects of our action. Your interaction with someone positive, follow that for 20 years, follow what that one interaction did. Sometimes it's nothing and sometimes it changes the universe. Sometimes it changes the Galaxy, you know? And like, that's incredible. And that's what I think would give somebody purpose is finding that light from within, what that spark is within what makes you feel whole and happy.

1:07:19 And I don't know because you've, you've you come across people who they just, they're so happy, they feel whole and, and yet they're not really doing much for the world. They're not doing much for their career. But why are they happy and whole? You think that in that case? While some people live life off pleasure and I guess really they're you don't know if they're happy, right? When you look in, they might go home and and life full of pleasure is not the same as life full of purpose, right? And a lot of people substitute one for the other. And then I think you burn out eventually with that too. Yeah. I mean, it's in the Bible King Solomon where or it's what attributed to King Solomon the maybe this.

1:08:06 Is all those wives and horses and everything like 100 wives and thousand wives? Now I'm. Blanking on it, but it's it's the part of the Bible. Maybe this is just on the Christianity basis. Yeah. Is it Psalm? Psalm. No, they did what it's it talks all about like where it's a mystery writer. They I think they attributed to King. Psalms. Yeah, that was that was attributed to Solomon. And they talk about like, like they've, they've had it all in life. They've had nothing in life. They've lived the pleasure of life. They've lived like. Oh, oh, lemon. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You're thinking of what's the English name it's called? I think it's Kohela in Hebrew, but what's Ecclesiastes?

1:08:47 No, it's. So maybe it's plums? It is. Because that goes, those have a lot of ups and downs. Those have like, it's, it feels like the Lord's on my back and like helps me conquer my enemies. And the next day is like, why have you deserted me? I'm like. Yeah. So yeah, I just, it all comes back to I think mindset. I think that we, especially in America are too focused. Like you go through school, most people at that time, they don't learn themselves. You're you're trying to always be somebody or trying to be with friends or. Yeah, that's why we need teachers, by the way. That's why we need teachers. That's why we need good parents. That's why. Do you ever be a teacher? Comes back to leadership.

1:09:28 It all comes back to leadership, whether it's a teacher. I want to be a teacher in terms of like holistic side of things, like keeping people happy and healthy. Yeah, but you can play that in academic sense. You could teach that in university. I mean, I'm not boxing. Myself in for sure, but that's why I'm getting out of sales, getting out of real estate and and pursuing physical therapy. I don't know if we've actually. We did. We did. You told me they were going to do that. Between the anthropology and the physical therapy, well, I've been accepted. You told me at Tim Dylan. I think I. Fully applied to NSU now. Yeah. It was at Tim Dylan at the comedy show that we had the last combo. So I'm now I, I'm. I'm waiting to find out if I'm if I'm going to get accepted MSU if or maybe apply to FAU.

1:10:11 But so that's the path is, is physical therapy sweet? And so for me, it's I, I realized, OK, that aligns a lot with who I am naturally. I don't have to be anybody else. I can authentically be myself and look at you and say I want to make you healthy like you. Could also be a one stop shop for mental health too and physical mental psychology. Psychology was up there in the running with physical therapy. Yeah. But I look at it as like the whole holistic approach, like those pillars of life, like I I've, I've done the work for myself and I just want to give that to other people. And hopefully my credentials with physical therapy will allow me to open those doors and have this conversation maybe even someday step on a stage instead of just sitting in a clinic and helping with very specific problems I want to take. OK, I can help you physically, but also maybe that's. Not you should do that.

1:11:02 You got to network. It is. You got to know because you got to you got to meet people, then you got to find speaking opportunities and then you get up and then but you can, you could dude, you could make especially in today's world, because there is a lot of science that does back it talk, you know, the relationship between physical health and and and emotional, mental and and you know, health. Down to the physiological side of your body, dude, the fact that your yeah, oh, sorry, your emotions, your thoughts trigger your emotions, your emotions trigger physiological changes in your body, which it's. You want to talk about fight or flight like we're not living in the barbaric days where fight or flight is just whether you feel like you're going to die or not. We have anxiety and depression and it's because our our physiological side of our body is not keeping up with. That's really.

1:11:52 Interesting. The things that we're going through in today's date days, the problems we put on ourselves because we don't know ourselves well enough. We don't know, like we allow ourselves to get stressed out over little things. And if you were sit down and say, you know what, the fact that I'm doom scrolling and I'm seeing all this negativity, I think I can just turn my phone off. But my body is internally like processing this differently. It's creating emotions that are going to carry with me throughout the rest of my day. So if I wake up in the morning, I look at my phone, OK, it's negativity. I can put it away. But now I'm carrying that throughout the day. My energy is going to be lower. So unless you're intentional, unless you're aware of this, you wake up in the morning and you try and implement positive things or you try and like you protect yourself because you know that things are out there that are, that are like changing your perspective.

1:12:46 Yeah. Does that make sense? I, I, I think, dude, I think that I think that the only thing I, I think that it's a great idea. I don't think there's anything stopping you. I think it's literally just a matter of maintaining, keeping up those schools of thought and and and continuing to practice and preach about how relevant they are. I think doing both is really important. And then that will help people wake up to that reality. I think that again, the biggest problem is that people don't know. But I think a lot of people are learning. I think a lot of people are figuring out, dude, I, I, I, my DEXA, my Dexa cells are through the roof because everyone wants body wants to find out their body fat composition. Everyone wants to do their whole body scans. Fake health and Wellness kick right now. Yeah, Yeah.

1:13:36 But my concern with that is anytime there's a new trend was a good trend, it can and a good trend corporations will find a way to profit off. Yeah. And anytime there's profit, I think that can start to scoop things. I meet people now who are claim to be very into health and Wellness and they eat candy all throughout the day. We'll have a an addiction to to Coca-Cola, but they say they do the sauna and then cold plunge and then sauna like they go to a health and Wellness Center. And they're watching, you know, isn't it so much better still than what people would do otherwise?

1:14:16 We're in a step of the right direction, but I don't want to see people get like confused in that where you're just kind of putting a Band-Aid over what's really important. Yeah. So this goes back I think to the scientist talk, which is I think that we are relatively close to a post capitalist society. We're a combination of. What does that even look? Like I'll tell you, I, I think capitalism, I'm excited. Capitalism is just basically the need to create value in order to sustain yourself. OK, Right. And so everyone is competitive to create some kind of aspect of that. That's what. It is. Right now we're in capitalist society where literally it's like a game of Jenga. I think people are taken from the bottom. The wealth gap is getting.

1:15:01 That's a good point, yeah. And these people are putting it the the billionaires. They're taken from the bottom, put into the top, and eventually it all collapses. It's not just billionaires, corporations that act as individuals because they're given individual rights in America, which is crazy. But that's another conversation that obviously like. I've thought about that too. Like what? Capitalism in inherently is not bad, No, it's not. But it does get to the point where like people. Short term capitalism, the John Perkins who wrote this great books economic the confessions of an economic hitman who's very involved in this world was an advice to World Bank and bunch of governments and helped overthrow like a bunch of a bunch of countries. Yeah, yeah, he he said that there's different types of capitalism and this one's called the death capitalism, where you're basically short term profits over any kind of consequence and you deal with the consequences another time.

1:15:55 Yeah. And that's basically they the, the, the, it's called killing the golden. It's called killing the golden goose, right? You're, you're, you're literally eating the source of your life. And like real intelligent people would say that. And you know, it's also a biblical story, but whatever people would say for themselves, like, listen, if I know that eggs are expensive, I'm not going to make an egg party and invite all my friends over and eat all the eggs that I have in my house. I'm going to have them, you know, carefully. And I'm going to rash and then I'm going to think about them and like, you know, like you have a limited resource and they're expensive and I don't want to. And people do this gas too, right? And there's actually a form of economic slavery where people are literally confined to their lives because they can't afford to do anything else because the whole world is. And we're getting, America itself is getting much closer to that place we're getting.

1:16:44 Squeezed. Dude, Ford, I just saw yesterday an unusual whales, which is an amazing ex count to follow. I think it said I'm actually going to pull it up because I took it as my wife blew my mind that hang on. And so 40% of them, oh sorry, 40% of Americans said they have.

1:17:42 OK, right there. You've seen the signs. The signs the Domino's are starting to tip you, you, you, you see our our administration saying you know the stock market is hitting all time. Yeah, of course the economy is. Great. But you see the oil prices hiked. You see the groceries. The groceries are hiked up, the gas prices are hiked up. People are struggling and and I and you notice that more and more. But you know how that, you know the economics of that work? You know the way that you can do that, approximately 3 people or four people own like 50 plus percent of America's wealth. Yeah.

1:18:23 If they make 10% returns on their investments and the rest of the country loses 3%, right? The top 10% makes. The country that the economy as a whole went up 4%. Everyone lost 3%. They made 10%. So hang on, I lost the math over there in my head, right? Duh. But everyone else lost. 50% of the population went down 3%, but 50% of the population or 50% or so, went up 10%. The economy is still a net positive, even though everyone even though. 19% were making three. Percent yeah, lost 3% lost 3% not even gained 3%, right? Like so if Elon Musk reports or Jeff Bezos reports that they make that they made 10% profit this year and then then the the rest of Americans, everyone else in America said that they lost 3% year over year.

1:19:18 Trump would still say, or Biden would say it's it's on the left to right thing, positive thing. Yeah, they would say that the economy is up. Yeah, economy is doing really just, but it's not. Of course it's not. Yeah, of course it's not. What's scary to me is we see that right and then we see the numbers at the we see the inflation and then we have hard, we have the betting all of this like, OK, now the SEC is going to. Gambling. You mean there's, well, investing is now gambling? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have Kaushi or whatever. I mean, people are. It's the predictive markets people can now just bet on. Polymarket. Housing Polymarket. Trump said yesterday the country's kind of become a casino. Yes, I didn't know he said that, but that's. He said that yesterday.

1:20:03 He's. Putting that out there, he said that admitting that why are we doing that? Why are why are the people who are struggling now it's easier for them to bet away their money. We know casinos are not good for people and the people that go to casinos and lose the money are the ones who can't really afford to lose it. The house always wins but but so even in day trading it used to be a $25,000 limit. You had to have $25,000 in your account to be able to day trade for a certain period. They just made a past it where that's no longer a thing. So starting here soon anybody can day trade as much as they want. Well, if you're uneducated and and. Yeah, but then there are the the argument would be you should know not to day trade if you're if you're if you're uneducated and the government shouldn't be involved in regulating who's day trading or not would be the argument.

1:20:54 I understand that, but at the same time we're, we're, we know that's not the case right now. We're opening it up. Anybody can, cannot go buy a lottery ticket every single day. But there's people and generally the people who are just hoping to win that money, they're the ones buying the lottery ticket every single day. The generally the people who are financially smart are not going to go spend their money on a lottery and gamble and do things like that. They value their dollars. But we are oppressing people. We're making the wage gaps worse. And then now we're opening it up to, well, you can gamble more. So of course they're going to gamble more. Of course they're going to take the shot because it's the only. Dude, parlays are are crazy. I'm watching my friends.

1:21:34 I'm watching my friends gamble. Like, and you know, I mean, I this is anecdotal, but. If friends who have money are doing this, imagine people who don't have money who? No, a lot of people I know, a lot of people I know in general that are not rolling in cash are still betting or are still gambling very frequently. Exactly. So it's it's a common thing. Everybody's doing it. I bet on sports and things like. I can't anymore by the way too. It hurts me mad because I'm always comparative with that. So I'm like, if my 20 bucks like let's say win 40, that's fine. I want to spend like 20 or $40 and like still be like, like I'd still rather go to a brewery and like spend 20 bucks and hang out at the brewery then potentially win 40 and hang out at home.

1:22:16 Like I think, I think the experience, the trade off is not like I never think it's worth it, but I told but until I won the last time and I'm like, Oh shit, that feels pretty good, You know, exactly. It doesn't like I got to stay away and. It's the same thing. I go into a casino and and and somehow I make $200 within seconds of being there. But I've you. Can't walk out I. Can't just leave, have their ticks to enjoy. I don't think I'm on a roll. So I'll stay there. And then within 30 minutes that 200's gone and now I'm back to like, you know, And so we're opening the whole world up to this, I think. I think the regulations were good because you shouldn't be able to just gamble. I don't know. Oh. By the way, I'm not I'm not even anti regulation. I think this corruption no matter what, yeah, I want to I want to get back to post capitalism, but I got to. I got to piss real bad one second. And I need.

1:23:05 We're live again. Hey, so we got we took a little intermission little pea break. Post capitalism, I was going to say, I think we're talking about like post capitalism. OK. I think I don't know what it's going to be called, right? This. Is the conversations we need to have because it obviously capitalism is not going to last forever. I mean, the way that it's going to last now in America, it can't last much longer than it is, because the way that it's working right now is it's basically leeching. It's using the American citizens and the homelands as a leaching the life and the resources out of them in order to continue its own goal of consumption and profit.

1:23:48 And like there's no end goal other than just more of it. And like that is what? Happens when you squeeze it dry. You. Know so I'm not right. So that's going to happen one way or the other. It's we're close to squeezing it dry and what's going to happen is a crash and bailouts and whatever it is and I was going to be held responsible until they are or until someone does another Mario, what's his name Luigi. Luigi with the healthcare CEO. But I think that I think, but the way that I'm thinking from my understanding right now is that the we're getting soon, shortly. I think that, first of all, where we are talking technologically is far more advanced than what we have integrated into society. So we are capable of running society and creating value and efficiency at a much higher level than we're actually what's actually being practiced.

1:24:35 That makes sense. Yeah. Like what we can do is way greater than what we are doing and part of the reason. We're limited by our perspective. We limited by our perspective, we're limited by the fact that people have to, you know, like for example of the oil industry collapse overnight, right? We know that nuclear energy is like clean, incredible, definitely the future. The question is when you don't think that scientists have figured out like, applicable ways to just turn regular, Of course they have. Like, I have a friend, one of my best growing, one of my best friends when growing up was in MIT and he got a car 10 years ago to run on aluminum battery, aluminum pellets. BMW donated an I3 to his lab. He took out the engine, they got it and they built a new engine running on aluminum pellets and they drove the car around Boston and it worked, right.

1:25:20 And I did a podcast with a woman 15 years ago or 20 years ago. Yeah, that's alternative energy. That the, the, the point is that we don't, we don't need gas the way that it is. I did a woman, I did a podcast with a woman recently who told me in 2010 she was doing. She she, she teamed up. She's a physiologist and neurobiologist. She teamed up with an engineering professor and using a lot. You using this kind of hat, metal hat with like using EEG waves, they were able to control and pilot drones completely using their minds. This was in 2010. We're in 2026. You're telling me that we know that, that, that this technology isn't available. So then so, so with robotics and AI being where they are, especially when you can melt them, that's going to create unprecedented wealth because it's all time cheap to create infinitely more value.

1:26:12 And hopefully nuclear alternative energy is the same thing. Yeah, Hopefully more people with mindsets, I guess like us, are able to capitalize on these. Well, we have so I think that what's happening with a lot of the scientists that are being killed is that there hold back to science. There is hold right, right, right. We're holding back. We're holding back progress right now. We're living in a world that ever. Since what was it like people who were like inventing things and then like those ideas never yeah, they fell flat or never went anywhere and people like this could have changed things but yes. Because it would revolutionize 1 area and destroy another and. And by the way, right. And at what expense? And is the trade off worth it and for what? And a lot of times so, but when everything becomes so cheap, when energy becomes so cheap that it just can't be contained anymore, when robotics and engineering and AI come together to create mass again, we don't think about the bread we buying the store.

1:27:11 We're not going to think about the houses that we have to own. Like we're going to think like that's just going to be cheap and easy. That's just, and like it could be good, it could be durable. But you know, what could be the new renaissance now that you could build a house for almost nothing? What kind of house do you want is ever going to live in the same 2 by 4? You know, I mean, have you have you gone to hung out in those gated communities in Orlando where all the houses are all the same thing, like champions gate or Indian Creek or anything like that? They're all the same shit, right? Like are you going to live in a copy paste world like that's kind of dystopian or like a potential for all this creativity? I want my your house is going to be on the beach with Hawaii and you know, with all this incredible nature and it's going to reflect you. You have your universe.

1:27:52 Though, I mean, look at the we, I'm selling houses from the 50s, sixties that people want to just like, okay, we're going to completely remodel this. We're going to make it the same as the last house that sold for this amount to copy that. We're all white kids. That's only. Because you're being driven by the need to copy the thing that made money. What do you need? A. Copy for you. Look, back in the day, people would paint their houses crazy colors. Yeah, you used to have a, a pink bath. Yeah, dude, people would make things. Remember the house you showed me next door with the with? The blue and like it beta it was functional to them, it was to their liking. Now we all have to think about how do I make this for the next?

1:28:32 Person You ever read The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand? I didn't realize what a controversial book it is and I still don't really get why it is, but it's an incredible, incredible book. And I mean, I, I don't agree with all of what she does in the book, but I think that that it's a remarkable work of philosophy fiction and like, it really makes you think about your life. What is it called? It's called The Fountainhead. It's a little bit slow to start. It was written I think in the 50s or maybe the 40s by Ayn Rand AYNRAND. And she was a really, really interesting character. Sure. Atlas Shrugged 2, which you may have heard of, these are like, yeah, these are crazy books. And she was like super anti communist came from I think a Russian like communist, you know, came from communist the USSR and like loved capitalism.

1:29:22 But one thing that she believed was like Objectivism and basically that everyone is their own little world and like should pursue their meaning. And that's how we should approach each other is like, hey, like now how do you fit into my purse paradigm? But I should want to ask you questions and get something about you and you and and see what's going on in your world. But I don't know we. So you think that the the fact that kids want to be influencers, a big part of being an influencer is having that kind of access to information. You think that there's a desire for like more information that makes kids want to be like in this world. Do you think it's purely like ego? Like I want to be famous. I want like a million likes on TikTok or Twitter or whatever.

1:30:03 It is both. Both I think you think there's like, I think there's a huge pressure around kids to be able to, to be known on social media. Like that is the go to. You get things from social media. You kind of find your if, if for somebody who's maybe not as accepted in the school they're in, they can they can be accepted online, they can find their niche online, like things like that. There's always the good side and the bad side, dude. Social media has has given us a wealth of information, but at the same time, you can get lost in that, the fact that there's so much information. It's tough because I see the goods and the bads.

1:30:46 I think we need, I think. We need more leaders. We need. That's going to be if you come, if it comes down to I think it's educational. Behall, we need the kids to know that this is a very You're growing up in a time that resources and information are indisposable at your fingertips, and you can do so much, the opportunities are limited. That's why we need personalized education, dude. But you have to know that you can get lost in that too, and that you can be very easily influenced and. You get misdirected for sure.

1:31:27 So we need people who know how to teach that foundation they need. Free thinking. Households that are whole, yeah, not, not broken up and divorced households and the divorce rates climbing. Dude it's over 55% or something like. That way. But it's definitely higher than that that these days. And it exactly and so. And that's among the people that are even getting married. Yeah, which is decreasing as well. Is that people having kids decreasing as well? So if there are people who are focused on profit and only profit, and they are aware of this, just like we're aware of this, they can, it can be manipulated as well as it can. Be it's not just profit, by the way, it's any because you mentioned it before in life, it's anything. And if you are one, if you're just uniformly focused on one thing, you're screwed. You can't be you got to be well-rounded. You can't know no one's a one person person. And like, listen, the Elon Musks and the Steve Jobs of the world and the Jeff Bezos of the world, They're fucked up people. Yeah, you know, like they're not I I wouldn't they're they're they're definitely not all good, but far from it. They're definitely complicated.

1:32:31 They're definitely broken and hurt in a lot of different deep ways, and a lot of them will even probably attribute their success to their pay to, to to the, to the fact that they're broken. Like I'm Elon Musk needs to be a broken person to sleep under his desk at every job and every company he goes to, even though he has upwards of $100 million. I look at it this way and I and I learned this from David Goggins through Fitness. David Goggins is a crazy guy. Do you know who he is? Yeah, of course. He's he's crazy. We're aspiring to be David Goggins, but he carries the torch and pushes the boundaries further to show us that we can do a little bit more. So baby Goggins, I'm not, I don't think his.

1:33:13 He's living a balanced life, you know, he's. He's not living a balanced life, but his job, but by the way, but his role could be. It's a it. Doesn't happen to others. Yes, and we need people like that and and, but we don't need people like that controlling everything. But we need to respect. They need to be the teachers. They're teachers in their own sense exactly, But we need to be able to be our own person to be able to say we can take from that and not have to be just that. If I'm listening to people, this world is right now, we're full of these motivational coaches and everybody's online telling you how to live your life and following that, you know, you need to be able to follow that and take pieces of it without letting that be your whole persona to like to replicate that.

1:34:01 But if we'd I like, if you grow up in a broken household or, or you're somebody who I think is easily influenced, sometimes you're you're too susceptible to that. And we're all and people are doom scrolling these days. So it's like they're highly susceptible. To me, yeah, yeah, yeah, we need, yeah, yeah, we need to keep better. Leaders. We need to keep, we need better education, we need better leaders. Dude, you should. There's a couple of Billy Strings songs you could check out. Put me on dude. I love Billy Strings, dude. It's sending me the best songs with Billy Strings. And it's funny because just as you put me on Billy String that I started listening to him. He covered the devil went down to Georgia. Dude favorite. Songs growing up, it's like that song Devil went down to Georgia. Zach Brown is a good version a good version of the two. Does he?

1:34:46 Oh, I have to listen to that too. The original 1. I don't know what it is my but I remember core memory. My dad would sing that song like it would come on. It was like a hype song to him. So like I remember that. It brings me back to that. Charlie Daniels Band. And then so yeah, so then I'm looking up Billy Strings and I see he that day like I'm leaving the. House. And I'm like. Oh, this is sad. Yeah, so funny. He has a great song called Wargasm which is I think I listened to. That I think you told me about. That which is crazy. And then there was one called Leaders, which is also similar. And it's funny because it's a, it feels like a genuine grassroots movement where it's not real.

1:35:31 Like there's no, I'm really, there's a podcasting I'm doing soon. I'm reading this book that this guy wrote about basically political polarization and why everything is so extreme. I did a podcast with another guy, Jim Thurber, that talked about it a little bit. He talked about lobbying too, which is really interesting. But one thing that happened was as it used to be that everyone kind of had the same values, and then the difference would be the policies as to what the best way to implement those values were. And then values started getting split up with party lines too. So like things like immigration and things like, I would things like, like immigration would kind of be like mutually agreed on like by everyone. Like I don't know if you'd ever saw videos of like Hillary or Obama talking about immigration like relative to Trump. But like, you know, like at the time that was like a universal opinion.

1:36:31 Like Americans had a perspective on immigration. And then like the question became a matter of policy, where what money should go where? How do you, how do you, what's the best way to deal with it? And that's kind of where you got split up between left and right. And now the question is, is immigration a problem, period, Yes or no, You know? And then those become party lines and that. And so the conversations become inherently more extreme because they're more about morals and ethics and stuff like that rather than just what a policy. Is and and as we failed over the years, like that becomes solidified. And you know, dude, it wasn't that long ago when segregation was a thing, when women had no rights, like, but we look back on, you could look back at commercials in the 2000s and be like, Oh my gosh. We have as we.

1:37:13 Said on TV. Yeah, and that's because the the world was, not that the world was. We're moving in a better direction and that goes without saying. Just looking over the years, yeah. And so that's why that I think we can have a positive outlook. I think so too. And these important, these conversations are important. We need just need. We just need people to connect more, get off the phones, talk in person. Realize I saw something the other day. It was like it was a phone in like a public phone in a Republican state, in a public phone in a Democrat state. And they could just pick it up like the sign above it said, speak to basically the other party.

1:37:56 And they recorded what the conversations were. And many of them were positive. They had this positive conversation. There was like very little actual arguing. But then you go on social media and you see this in the news and everything is so polarized. It's also, by the way, I don't know if you ever had the experience, but like posting something where like you get a lot of like get a lot of shit for it, like a lot of like vehemently negative responses. Celebrities. It's crazy reading comments, dude. They're like, I don't, I can't. Read not I, I I I Yeah, yeah. I've been posting everyday to try and build the podcast and build the presents online. I love it. Yeah, I appreciate it, dude. It takes a lot of work, man. It's fun, but it's actually, it's actually funny.

1:38:37 It doesn't take a ton of work for me. It's my, my wife edits the videos. I just record them quickly. She tells me if it's a shit take or not. And then and then she edits them and then I post them. But I know the master. Master Oh, dude, dude, she yeah, yeah, sometimes, sometimes she'll ask me for like, I don't know what to put for like when you're saying this as a visual, but like generally like she's awesome like. Yeah, I know their videos are great. I love them. I, I remember like when you first started doing it and I think it's, I think it's. Yeah, dude, it's. Because I'm on Instagram much more than I'm checking out on Spotify. So. But then you post something like that and I see, oh, that's interesting. Yeah. And then I go listen to the podcast.

1:39:18 That's awesome. You know, that's the goal. Definitely helps. That's the goal. Gotta get there, man. Gotta get there. All right, Should we wrap this up, dude? We should wrap this up. Yeah. Let me know first what are like 2 books that you're reading or suggests that I read. I'm right now I've been doing the philosophy. I think so so. Do you want to keep going down that track? Do you want to break from? It I might want to break from it, yeah. So I'll give you a book called Empire of AI by a woman named Karen Howe in San from San Francisco. I have a copy of it. I finished it OK. I don't know if you prefer hard copies or listening audiobooks or this sounds. Just very aligning because I'm going to the Ted X in Miami up and it's all about future of humanity and AI.

1:40:02 There you go. That one I think was really cool. I enjoyed that one. I read a really crazy book called Empire of Pain about that one's about the Sackler family. And I don't know if you know Sackler is, but they're Purdue Pharma and they're behind Oxycontin and they're behind Valium and they're behind and they actually started. This is an incredible story that they, that Arthur Sackler, who started the company in like the early 1900s, was a psychiatrist, I believe. And he started his, he started looking into pharmaceuticals because he wanted to find a more humane way to deal with patients and mental asylums then lobotomies and electroshock therapy. So he started for like this incredible purpose, like he like.

1:40:55 And how it changed. And then over time it turned into, and then in order to, and then, and then he kind of, he, he's the person that melded the world of marketing and the world of pharmaceuticals. He created that industry, he created that world. And he's, and what he did was they would do research and development, create a drug. He funded medical journals. So the medical journals would review the drugs that he was manufacturing and developing and then? Like peer reviewing kind of thing. Yeah, basically given, you know, a medical clear to go like by a group of doctors that he would he would fund, he would fund the research and then say hey, by the way, we're sending over this new painkiller that we're working on, you know, let us know what you think of it.

1:41:41 Obviously, you know, you're going to think of it, you're funding the research you have to let you know and then and then they hired the salespeople to actually push doctors to act to prescribe that version of their medication rather And so he. So is he like giving insight on the industry like? You see how the you can see how the entire prescription drug epidemic happened at its root, stripped away piece by piece following a very clear timeline in history with one company that that's that created a playbook for it. And so and and is that kind of thing still going on to this? Day, dude, yeah, OK, everyone's been there's another book that I read called American Cartel and that was about the, the painkiller industry in general. And that was about the government and the DEA trying to hold them responsible.

1:42:35 And the book was published before one of the while the one of the biggest cases of all time was going on. And I looked up what happened after and they, the, the, the, the, the, the big pharma companies won the case. Because I've heard people say like at the end of the day, hospitals are a business or like a business hospitals like you don't like at the end of the day, I don't want to believe it doesn't go into believe that everything is. Like don't, don't look if you don't want to believe it, don't look but this, but this, but this, but this isn't, this isn't this isn't about hospitals in particular. That's like the that's the Medicare system. This is talking about like the drug, the drug addiction, fentanyl pills, addiction, back pain, like why it's struck specifically, you know, like the fly over states, like rural America, because the hard work, you know, the people that are working with their hands working, working, you know, engineers or plumbers or electricians or mechanics that hurt their backs but can't afford to stop working or the people that would get hooked. These pills, some of these pills were strong enough and that they were essentially every pill was a hit of heroin. You're literally taking the you're taking a hit of heroin. So people are are addicted to a drug as strong and as addictive as heroin.

1:43:54 And they're, and they're just getting and they're just following the doctor's prescriptions, But the doctor's prescribing it because the salesperson is coming in, taking them out to dinner, you know, giving them a, you know, giving them a gift. You know, a hot a hot blonde woman that's paying attention to the doctor for the first time in his life is walking in his office and wow, the. Book's exposing that kind. Of stuff, dude, everything. Because people don't know. That's not like a normal thing that you would think of is happening. The painkiller industry is crazy. Wow, so that's called Empire. Of Empire of Pain Pain by Patrick Something. So is that like a series like you said? This one, the first one was Empire of AI. Then there's Empire. Oh no, there's just two different, 2 totally different books with just the same name you just like, but yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. Because you know what?

1:44:39 And it's very interesting the way that the the way I bought Empire of Pain was because I heard her on Diary of CEO. Her name's Karen Howe and she's journalist based in San Francisco. I think a. Podcast, right? Yeah, Serial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I stopped listening to it a bunch. I'm a big fan of Danny Jones. I don't. Have you ever heard of him? He's awesome. I think Matthew McConaughey I think was on there and that's where I like listen to Matthew McConaughey podcast. I think he's like a very white like seems like a pretty wise and and. He's fun. He's very intentional. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I saw him on there. Yeah, yeah, dude, he's got fun stuff. Do you ever hear? You ever hear Julian Dory I? Don't think so. Dude, check out Julian Dory, OK?

1:45:21 He is. He's AI. He gets incredible guests. He has incredible conversations. I think that he, I, I, he's treating a little bit like a show and I don't feel like he's being so authentic. Like he's aware, like he acts too aware of like the microphone in front of him. I think but but but like overall, like one of the one of the top people to listen to understand current events, understand the world today. OK, I'll have to check her out. 1000% he's incredible. Maybe I saw the face and he has a solo episode every week now for like the last bunch of months on Epstein where just his just like deep dives into what he's like new drops and discoveries. Dude, that's a.

1:46:06 Conversation we haven't had dude catch up on that. Dude, we'll do another. We'll do another episode. Dude, there's a lot of Epstein shit, man, that's crazy. And that's not going anywhere, by the way, because that's all connected. Also UFOs science I mean like just goes so. Deep. The web gets so deep. Dude, his New Mexico ranch. Yes, that's what I'm. Saying, and do you know that Bob Lazar who didn't know anything about it was on Jesse Michaels podcast? It was also great. It's called American alchemy. And, and Bob Lazar, who does not know anything about Epstein, like in depth was like, we used to call it Playboy Ranch because you know, there's always hot models and hot girls hanging around there.

1:46:46 And he didn't know that Les Wexner was Jeffrey Epstein's guy. You know the guy Les Wexner was the owner of of Victoria Secrets and and Abercrombie and Fitch and send you a guy all this shit and you're like, dude. I have to send you a guy you, if you're into that, check out his YouTube. It's Zachary Faust and he. I took him out. He was a realtor and I followed him because he was very analytical. He was very in depth with all his research given market reports, updates, everything. He got into the Epstein stuff, basically went and dive dope deep on that and now he's posting his videos where he literally has like a web. Chart of everything dude, he's got to be careful man, it's crazy no people have time that's.

1:47:27 Like bro you might want to like have security like. Yeah. Oh, it's crazy. Dude, one my, my one guest that's coming up, he told me that he was like, I was friends with, you know, because media is having a fun time with these missing scientists. He's like, I was friends with one of them that went missing back in 2022. Our dads are both physicists together that work together and I'm like Oh my fuck here we go. We got to wrap this. Up. But dude, thanks so much for coming man. Congratulations on everything, man. You got to keep on doing it brother. Cheers, cheers.