BONUS Episode: Sidney Outlaw P1 / Mixed Martial Arts / Navigating Highs and Lows / Training

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together.

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Sid Outlaw Sit Outlaw MMA.
What's up man?

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How are you?
I'm blessed, my brother, I'm

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blessed.
I got you can't complain.

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How are you doing?
I know you are, dude.

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I know you are.
So you and I met, you taught.

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You taught me a jujitsu class.
Yeah, I remember I came up to

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you.
I was like, so how long are you

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doing this for?
And you're like doing what?

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I'm like jujitsu.
You're like, well, I do this for

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a living.
I I'm a pro and I'm like get out

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of.
Here man.

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And you know, I, I had a
feeling, dude, because you're

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built different, you know, than
everyone else that's in that

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gym.
You know, there's just a

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different tier that you go to
when you're when you're a pro

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man, but.
Yeah.

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And then I.
Saw you, my buddy Joe's wedding

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man.
How do you know Joe?

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Man, Joe's my strength and
conditioning coach.

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He's the reason why I can
continue doing what I'm doing

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now.
Really good.

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Yeah, he is so good.
Joe is so good.

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He taught me how to swim.
He, my mobility, my movement,

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he's pretty good, man.
And not only that, the

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conditioning aspect of this.
Yeah, he's a.

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He's a great friend, too.
He's just a great dude, you

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know?
You know this?

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Yeah.
He's.

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Really good.
You need you need people like

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that in in this type of field
and environment, you know,

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you're just not going to see
another meet another Joe.

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You know, you might, but you I
don't know, you know what I

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mean?
Yeah, man.

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He's good, he's good company.
I wouldn't.

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I'm not.
I'm not saying train him in for

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anything.
You know, he's the man.

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I love him.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Yeah, man.

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So you, you got a, you got a
great record, you got a 20 and 6

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record, which is pretty crazy as
far as I'm concerned.

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And I and and most of and most
of your wins are on are based on

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submissions and and decisions,
right?

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Yeah, submission this in
decision, Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and and and your background.

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Your.
Background jiu jitsu, right?

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Yeah, all around, but not, I
mean, I'm, I, I prefer to

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grapple a lot sometimes because
a lot of people aren't really

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good on the ground and I don't
like the to have like a brawl

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because it kind of like makes
the other person feel like they

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got a chance.
I don't want you to.

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Feel like you have?
A chance, you know?

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Yeah.
I don't want you to feel.

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I don't want you to have
confidence when you're fighting

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me.
That's what the heck, stupid.

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So you think that a lot of
people are don't don't spend

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enough time training for the
ground game?

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Both.
Yeah.

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Training nowadays, you know.
Yeah, they don't.

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No, they don't.
But it's all good.

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It's making it makes my job a
lot easier.

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I bet, I bet.
How'd you how'd you get started

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fighting?
I'm from Philly, so we got.

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Started.
Yeah, I got started fighting.

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When did I get started fighting?
Soon as I got how well I started

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in high school, I mean, doing
this like when I was in high

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school, I just kept going.
That's it.

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You started to wrestle.
My dad was a yeah, yeah, My dad

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was a professional boxer.
Oh, nice.

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Cool.
Really.

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Yeah.
So you grew up with that in your

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blood?
Yeah, yeah.

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We don't like each other that
much, but it is what it is,

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yeah.
So how was you get 2 fighters

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right, Two personalities?
Yeah, I mean, you'd call it

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that, but you know, it's just an
environment we're in.

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That's how it is.
We don't like.

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It's not.
I don't like him.

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He doesn't like me.
I don't.

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I can care less.
I really don't care.

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I know some people are like, oh,
I want my dad to like me.

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No, forget that.
I don't care.

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I care more about my secrets
than I care about like them.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I guess you got the
disposition to it though, you

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know, I mean, listen, I, I, no
one in my family has, you know,

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has, has a fighting bone in
their body, you know, So, you

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know, and it kind of shows and I
started training, you know, but

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I think that I'm sure that
there's a lot of dispositions

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that that make a big that, that,
that bring you up to an elite

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status, you know, relative to
anything else, I'm sure it looks

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like genes have an impact on.
Yeah, you think so?

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Yeah, probably, possibly, might
be wrong.

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Possibly.
So you grew up in Philly, huh?

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Yeah.
Moved to moved to a place called

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Alfred Sonderson when I got, you
know, graduated high school.

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Pretty dope.
I like that area.

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That's how I got good at
wrestling because me thinking

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boxing with an NLP all and it
wasn't Long story short, Long

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story short, I did jiu jitsu and
I won the match.

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However, this guy, I think his
name was Matt Hamill or whatever

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his name is.
I would never forget the guy

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name, but they was Matt.
Long story short, he was he was

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an NCAA wrestler.
Yeah.

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All American came in and threw
me all around.

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I never felt so the mask like he
took he did.

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So he did almost whatever he
thought was a good idea.

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He did it and he was successful
but he wasn't really

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knowledgeable with the ground.
So I got on this like ex joke

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but ever since then I'm like
dude this guy just threw me

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around and the only reason why I
survived because I got an ex

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joke he didn't know nothing
about.

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I couldn't believe it.
I'm like, what was that?

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Like?
What was he doing?

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Like he was so strong and he
kept doing it repeatedly, like

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he wasn't getting tired, no
fatigue.

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I'm like, dude, what is?
I was just amazed.

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I'm like, if this is and he's
not even a fighter, he's just a

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wrestler.
How in the heck?

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Like I was just amazed.
I was like amazed on his

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physical strength, on his
mindset.

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I'm like, dude, dude, what did
he do when he found out he

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wrestled?
So I did it.

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I wrestled and high school
because of that.

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Because of that protects your
God.

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So this happened when you were
in high school.

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You were exposed to wrestling
for the first time, and you're

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like, this is another art.
There's another art.

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Yeah, you can do whatever you
want.

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You can.
You can take them to the ground,

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keep them there, lift them up.
You can, you can, you can

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determine where the fight goes
you.

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Know.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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I, yeah.
What's the difference?

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What are some big differences
between wrestling jujitsu for

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people that don't know?
Well, wrestling is like

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wrestling is mostly asserting
your dominant.

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You know, jujitsu is more like
submission and jujitsu is made

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for the big guy.
I'm sorry, Jujitsu is made for

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the small guy to beat the big
guy.

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It makes makes sense.
Yeah, yeah.

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Wrestling is more like a test of
will and determination, you know

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what I mean?
So not necessarily that strength

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can always for jujitsu, strength
is it's like chess.

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How about this make it simpler?
Checkers.

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It's it's like wrestling and jiu
jitsu is like chess if that

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makes sense.
Sure, I've noticed that about

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jiu jitsu because when I was
training, you know, when I've

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been, while I'm training and
while I'm trying to figure out

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how to move my, you know, my
body, you know, like, you know,

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I don't, you know, every single
movement from every toe and

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finger and limb makes a
difference, you know, and Drew

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beats the hell out of me about
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You know, he goes, hey, man, you
know, you got to get your knee a

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little inward like that and you
got to fix your foot a little

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bit like that.
I'm like, is it going to make a

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difference?
It's like the difference whether

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you get submitted or not in
seconds, you know?

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And of course it matters, you
know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right
about that.

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Wrestling's not as much.
Wrestling is mostly like, well,

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determination.
You got to be in shape.

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You got to be willing to grind.
You have to have, you know, you

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have to be in shape and
wrestling, of course, you have

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to have some type of technique.
But you with that technique, you

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also have to have tenacity.
So you just can't do a proper

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shot.
You got to do it with some

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authority, right?
You know what I mean?

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You got to do it.
Yeah.

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You got to do it with the intent
to get a guy down and hold him.

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You know what I mean?
If he gets up, you got to go

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again immediately, almost like
an animal.

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Yeah, jujitsu.
Jujitsu is mostly like, all

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right, this guy is bigger than
me, this guy is tougher than me.

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So I'm going to have to slow
things down and make, make it

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technical.
And I had to get him out of

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here.
I had to finish him, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I guess the difference I'm

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thinking, I've noticed when I
was also rolling with wrestlers

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that wrestlers have a really
great center of gravity.

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It's really hard to get them on
their back.

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You know, jujitsu guys don't
mind that.

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Yeah, that's that.
Well, well, well, it is.

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But we're you should always
trying to keep top position.

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Jiu jitsu is mostly like, it
doesn't matter, like I said, for

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the small guy to win.
So it doesn't matter where the

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fight goes.
I have to fight if it if you're

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if you're heavier than me, I
have to fight from the bottom.

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Yeah, you're no, if I'm on top
and I'm better than you, I have

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to fight off the top.
You know, that's a different.

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Jiu jitsu is definitely
important at high level.

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You know, jiu jitsu fighters
beat wrestler all the time.

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You know wrestlers, but
depending on the level, high,

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high level jiu jitsu petitioner,
bro, it's like Gordon Ryan,

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Gordon Ryan's wiping out
everybody and you know what he's

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going to do it.
He still gets.

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It Yeah, yeah, The way I mean,
the difference in my head, like

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I, I right now in the in the
league or at least in the UFC,

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when I, you know, when I, when I
think of wrestling, I think of

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like Islam or Tamaya of whatever
his name is.

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And when I think of jiu jitsu,
I'm thinking more Ali Vera, you

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know, I'm thinking more like
that guy that could, you know,

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get, you know, he'll he'll fall
down if he gets hit, if he gets

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shot, but he's totally
comfortable taking, you know,

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getting a submission once he's
on the ground on his back, like

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it doesn't bother him at all.
You know, you don't you never

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see Tamaya in a position like
that.

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You know, it's just shooting,
shooting, shooting over again

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for him.
Yeah, so you kind of understand

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what I'm saying about the
tenacity, how they keep going,

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get up, they go again and go
again and they try to break your

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will.
It's a different discipline.

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I totally gotcha.
Yeah, it's very different.

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So dude, 26 fights over the
course of thirteen years, that's

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a great career.
Now it's a lot.

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It's a lot of fighting.
Very.

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Active.
Yeah, I'm pretty blessed.

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You still want to be at the top.
You know, I was there and you

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know, Bella Tours, I guess got
brought by PFL.

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That's when everything changed.
So if that's it again, I'm, you

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know, I'm coming back up and I'm
in a good position with ACA

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fighting over there in Russia.
They're pretty dope.

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I'm happy to be in.
I'm happy to be with those.

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Yeah, man, I saw, I saw a couple
of your fights that were online

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and this past one that you
fought a couple of weeks ago in

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Kazakhstan was awesome.
Literally.

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No damage, no hits, quick
submission.

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Is it?
Do you, do you feel silly when

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you like fly all the way to
Kazakhstan and you're like all

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that for that?
It looked like, you know, it

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looked like you were another
league.

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That means a lot.
I mean, that's what I that's

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what I try to do.
I try to go out there and I

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mean, I mean, I'm cool.
I when it is, I treat really,

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really, really hard, you know,
and you know, I pray all the

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time and I pray that my Lord
could get me to where I need to

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be.
But his, you know, God, a

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perfect God, timing is always
the best timing, you know.

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Yeah.
So, you know, you know, as bad

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as I want to fight in the UFCAC
pick me up.

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So that's and I trained for
that.

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I work really hard and I'm
pretty and I'm one of the best

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in the world.
So I expect the result to be the

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way it comes out to be sometime,
sometime.

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Obviously I lost six time and I
didn't expect that, you know

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what I mean?
But most of the time, I mean, we

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drill work hard.
So I expect it to be easy.

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It should be easy.
Work my butt off, you know.

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Yeah.
Well, I mean, if you work hard

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enough, then by the time the
test comes around, you're ready,

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you know, you did all the hard
work already.

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That's usually what the ideal
is.

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Exactly.
Exactly.

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Yeah, You understand.
You understand?

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I try, I try, you know, when
you're when you're training for

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MMA, right?
What's it, You know, MMA is

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mixed martial arts.
It's anyone could do anything.

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You know, how do you how do you
figure out what to how to break

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down your time?
Well and well, nowadays is

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mostly one for me.
It's easier when it's it's

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easier when it's you focus on
you and you have to adjust

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around that.
You don't understand what I'm

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saying.
You have to adjust that you

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focus on you.
You either make him adjust or

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you adjust to him.
Make sense?

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Yeah, sure, you can either play
your game.

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Or play this game.
Exactly.

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So I'm not saying we have to
play his game.

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I have to make a little
adjustment.

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So like, if I if I know he's
going to throw a lot of knees,

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I'm not going to shoot a lot.
Right.

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That's not that's very, that's
that.

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I'll be dumb.
I'll be some top tier stupidity.

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You have to mix it up, have to
move a little bit, have to

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strike, give him what he wants,
but make it hurt and do it

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meaningful.
So when once you do that and you

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get the right reaction, then you
can take it down.

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Then you can capitalize on all
his mistakes.

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Makes sense?
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I see that,

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yeah, you have the, I've seen
the last couple of fights that

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you do a great job.
You know, like in terms of they,

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they, they, they take that
initial swing and you and you,

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you usually what I've seen,
absorb it and take it into and

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turn it into a takedown.
And you and you and you bring

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the game to your where your
comfort level is, which is on

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the ground, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, wherever his comfort, if
his comfort levels on the

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ground, I'm not going to
obviously go on the ground, but

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wherever where most of the
people are not comfortable on

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the ground, you know what I
mean?

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Like a lot.
Yeah, even people that think

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they're comfortable on the
ground.

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So that's where I mean that's to
be on a good striking match, you

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will have to knock them out and
that that play a game of chances

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and I'm not big at and chances,
you know what I mean?

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That's why when I get a a lot of
money, I want to start making a

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lot of money because I I'm not
dumb enough to take dumb chances

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in it, you know what I mean?
It's a young man.

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I grew out of That's a dummy
game.

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Yeah, you know, we're Dumber
when we're younger.

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You know, I'm sure that 36 you.
Look, I gotta stop being dumb.

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And you're like, this kid was a
joke, right?

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Dumb.
I was dumb.

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Nah, I'm not 36, but I'm not.
That would be stupidity, you

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know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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How do you, how much?
How much?

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How often do you study your
fights?

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How many?
You know what already?

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Study.
I study mostly myself.

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I pray.
I pray.

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I go to church, I pray.
Lot of praying.

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And I just, you know, I look at
a little, I look, I look at, I

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look at his, my opponent, his
habits and how he knew.

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That's about it.
I try not to study and, you

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know, focus on me.
You know what I mean?

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Yeah, focus on growing and
getting better.

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Makes sense?
Yeah.

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Yeah, I try, I try.
Do you obsess with them?

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Totally, totally, totally.
But I mean, how do you, how do

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you, So what do you, how do you
go about developing your own

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game?
Like how do you find holes in

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your game throughout, you know,
as time goes on and say, hey,

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you know, I could really clean
up over here or I need to step

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up over here.
Where does that come in?

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Training, training, Listen to my
coaches drilling, you know,

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always training, always getting
better, not not stopping, You

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know what I mean?
If I have a fight, I'll look at

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it.
I'll go back to my coach, I'll

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get better and being honest with
myself and pray and all of that

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all revolve around like praying
and training.

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I'll keep it really simple.
I'll try not to make it complex,

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because it isn't.
Right, right, right.

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Right.
Yeah.

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I heard, I believe, actually,
and I've heard this, but I

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believe this since I've heard
it, that prayer isn't for that.

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Prayer isn't to change God, It's
to change you.

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You know, it's to make you a
better person, you know, and a

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lot of people are sitting around
and trying to make God fit what

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they want God to, you know, what
they want God to look like when

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they should be changing
themselves.

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Because, you know, we're none of
us are perfect, you know, right,

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You know, But I, yeah, man,
because I, you know, like your

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last, your last, your last fight
last year with in Bellator,

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right where you lost by that
decision.

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I watched.
That Oh yeah, and you had.

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You you a lot of control time,
but you know, you're 4 for four

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on takedowns.
You're great with the takedowns.

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You know, but but but he got he,
he was he, he, he was hitting,

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he, he did a lot of damage to
those elbows.

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Do you go home and you're like,
OK, I got to train with elbows

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now.
I got to train to defend.

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Those or what do you have to do
train and all?

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It's just you know, I mean just
do a little be a little more

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active.
You know what I mean?

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I think I made the right
decision that fight because I

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couldn't see, you know, a lot of
people don't notice that, but I

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had my eyes that yeah, yeah, I
had my eyes dilated right before

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the fight so I couldn't see.
I'm like, dude, this is great.

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Right?
When I made weight, I got in the

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car and I go went to go dilate
my eyes.

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So I played the smart game.
I have confidence that what I

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could do, I could, I did.
So I didn't, you know what I

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mean?
Like I did.

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And yeah, I get it what they
were saying about the damaging

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and I don't agree with them.
I don't agree with their

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decision.
They scored it differently now,

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but it's stupid, you know?
I mean, what's the way?

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What's the way they score it?
Is what OK what?

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What changed?
I don't even they gave, they

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take down the ground control,
they don't they don't score as

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much anymore.
You know what I mean?

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OK, They try to make it.
They try to make it appeasing

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for the audience, which is OK, I
got you, I understand.

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But I play smart game to save
you on a better game, you know.

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And then the sucky part is if
everybody else can do what I do,

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they would have done it, but
they can't, you know, and I, and

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I get it.
I, I mean, I, I don't like to

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fight like that necessarily, but
I had to.

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You can't see you've been.
I just wanted to, you know, I

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had balls, so I'm going to do
it.

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I didn't pull out.
Why couldn't you know?

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Excuses I wouldn't and did what
I did.

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I had my eyes dilated and I got
poked in the eye so I I.

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Poked in the eye.
I, you know, you ever got your

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eyes dilated?
No.

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You ever see a eye an eye
doctor?

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You ever went to an eye doctor?
Oh yeah, I have gone to an eye

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doctor.
Sure, but what?

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Why would?
You when they and they and they

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put drops in your eye and they
put and they put drops in your

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eye, Yeah.
And during that process you

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can't see when they put drops in
your eye, right?

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For a couple of.
Hours after exactly for my my

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situation, I couldn't see it was
the next day was the next day

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and I was cutting weight and
dehydrated.

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Oh, I see, I see.
How much do I Oh and I and I had

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some I how much weight do I have
to cut?

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Yeah, usually before I fight 25
like 2530.

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That's a lot though, no?
No, once you get in shape, it's

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a lot easier.
You just got to stay in shape.

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So you fight lightweight?
Well, yeah, it's 155, right?

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Yeah.
And and you walk around 185, so

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you've to OR1175185.
Yeah.

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Wow, man, I can't imagine.
I can't.

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I can't.
I can't imagine you can do it

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you.
Can do it, Yeah, You think?

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So you can do this for any
everybody to lose it.

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Is it a mindset?
It's both, whatever you decide.

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I mean, I think it might be
easier to lose it than to gain

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it.
You know what I mean?

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Now, if you're now, if your
individual goal is to gain

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muscle, it's gone.
Of course you're going to look

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at me like, oh, why would you
want to lose all that weight,

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you know, to get into a weight
class?

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Yeah, My goal is it might be
different from yours.

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Everybody body type is
different, of course.

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Yeah, it's it's really easy.
It's just a life when you once

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you really start because if you
really don't train or work out,

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of course, it's kind of crazy,
right.

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But if you do it consistently,
it's like a no brainer on how

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to, you know, get in shape, stay
in shape in the property.

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Yeah, anybody can do it.
You see it all.

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You see, honestly, you see it
all the time.

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Like for me to do it, it's like
laughable for the people you see

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on TV, like The Biggest Loser.
Do you ever see those people?

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Before, yeah, sure.
Yeah.

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But they all gained their way
back at the end of the day, I

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think, right?
Like, a huge percentage of them.

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And yeah, possibly.
Yeah, a huge percentage of them

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end up end up end up gaining
their way back within a couple

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of years.
You know what that's also like,

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yeah, when the lottery end up
broke after I think within

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within 5 or 10 years, something
crazy like that.

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No way really.
Yeah, man, apparently,

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apparently all this stuff is
more about and like what you're

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saying, it's about the habits
that you make, not about, you

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know, one time exception, you
know, so like, yeah, you lose.

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You want to lose 20 lbs one
time, You want to lose 100 lbs

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one time for ATV show.
It doesn't change, you know, the

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way that you live and who you
are necessarily.

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You know, I mean it might start
you down that path.

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Yeah.
But I think that if you know, if

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your, if your entire life is the
habits that get you to £600

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anyway, that's, you know, I
mean, it's going to be tough.

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00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,840
It is because you got to.
You got to how do I say you're

446
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,720
doing it for a purpose?
You're not doing it.

447
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,400
The purpose isn't to get better.
You're doing it because they

448
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,440
offer you 50K.
Winner get 100K.

449
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,520
Yeah, yeah.
How much longer do you think

450
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,840
you'll be fighting?
For close to 40, whenever my

451
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,960
body gives up, I can keep doing
it.

452
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,160
That's why I give big credit to
Joseph.

453
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,960
Yeah.
Because once a body, because the

454
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,480
body wants somebody quits, I can
keep fighting in love with my

455
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,200
body, keep giving me some more
reasons and, you know, allow me

456
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,040
to do you feel I personally want
to do it until I'm the do.

457
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,840
You do you feel the difference
over time or is it like one day

458
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,400
you just realize, whoa, it's not
the same?

459
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,040
No, I mean, right.
It's a lot better than I used

460
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,400
to.
I used to be weak, but now I'm

461
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,960
stronger.
Of course I'm stiffer.

462
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,040
I'm tighter.
Yeah.

463
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,720
Like standing in the car, I'm
stiffer.

464
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,000
I'm tighter, I'm busier.
So I just got to step more.

465
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,440
How do I say I got to get more
stretching, You know, some

466
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,120
independent time have yet
because I'm not a kid, I got to

467
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,520
pay bills.
I have to work.

468
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,960
Yeah, you know, I have to.
I have to.

469
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,160
This is my job now, you know,
and the competition is getting

470
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,200
tougher and tougher and tougher.
So I got to get tougher and

471
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,400
tougher and tougher.
You know what?

472
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,400
I.
Mean, yeah.

473
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,080
How's how's the Bellator
lightweight division?

474
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,560
I don't really know much about
it.

475
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,000
I mean Bella Bella.
Getting older a little bit.

476
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,400
Bella turns is no longer.
Belter doesn't exist.

477
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,280
Oh, it's PFL.
Yeah, I'm not in that.

478
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:19,360
I'm in ACA, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

479
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,960
And what's the late, what's the
late way likely in ACA mean?

480
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,280
Dangerous.
It's an organization nobody want

481
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,680
to be in some organization out.
Yeah.

482
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,520
Why?
What about it?

483
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,840
Everybody.
Everybody is tough.

484
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,280
Is everyone's a good fighter?
Everybody's tough, everybody.

485
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,320
You're not getting an easy
fight.

486
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,440
Oh man, last fight looked OK.
What do who?

487
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,440
What do you know about the guy
you're?

488
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,080
Fighting on.
December 4th.

489
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,040
December 5th.
He he's going to be tough.

490
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,720
Yeah.
That's about all I needed that

491
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,280
He's going to be tough, he's
going to be tough, he's going to

492
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,800
be hard.
We kind of got the same record,

493
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,360
so.
He's got the same record.

494
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,600
Yeah.
Wow, it's going to be.

495
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,440
Great man.
Nothing.

496
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,400
Yeah, it's going to be alright.
I'll take them out.

497
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,640
I just got to focus.
Just focusing, focusing, getting

498
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,920
support, that's about it.
So that's all I really need.

499
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,280
How do you guys?
Stay in your How do you stay in

500
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,840
your head?
How do you keep your head

501
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,800
straight?
But praying, praying, focusing,

502
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,720
praying, getting a good circle,
you know, having a good support

503
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,080
team around here, training your
butt off, working really hard,

504
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,720
proper preparation, stuff like
that, you know, try, try your

505
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,080
best to keep it simple.
Try not to make it all complex.

506
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,000
Just do the things everybody
don't want to do.

507
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,480
You know what I mean?
Yeah, the problem is that our

508
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,320
brains usually try to.
Our brains make it complex, you

509
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,000
know.
How do you like quiet?

510
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,600
How do you quiet it down?
And like I said, people too, you

511
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,920
know, you might have the wrong
people around you that want to

512
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,280
make you seem hard, like, oh,
you got to watch this, he got

513
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,480
kicked, he got that, he got
this.

514
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,280
But nobody's talking about some
of the powerful tools you have

515
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,800
that you have to use.
He's just too concerned on his

516
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,160
power.
And then certain things and

517
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,040
sometimes you gotta say F it, I
don't care.

518
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,560
I got power too.
So I would say yeah, yeah, focus

519
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,440
mostly.
I got prayer, pray, pray to God,

520
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,200
have a great support team and
train your butt off.

521
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,480
Even if you gotta be by
yourself.

522
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,000
Hopefully it doesn't work your
butt off.

523
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,960
I'm sorry, I said work your butt
off.

524
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,360
Oh.
Yeah, that's it.

525
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,640
OK, man, I want to see more.
What do you call it?

526
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,840
I want to see.
I want to see.

527
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,440
I want to see.
Are you, are you, are you, are

528
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,720
you hoping to or I don't even
know whether it's bad etiquette

529
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,360
to talk about what you're what
you're hoping to do.

530
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,160
What do you know about this
opponent?

531
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,720
What's he what's, what's his
game like that you're fighting?

532
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,240
He he bleeds the same way.
He bleeds the same way.

533
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,120
Breathe oxygen.
He's the same way.

534
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,280
Is he a takedown guy?
What kind of guy is he?

535
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,160
Honestly, brother, you will be a
better, you'll be a better,

536
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,720
you'll know better than me
because I don't really care.

537
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,160
Really I don't care.
But I like I told you, I'll

538
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,520
barely, I watch this, see how
how he moves.

539
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,720
That's about it.
He's a well-rounded fighter.

540
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,680
He's a tough guy.
So I have to be tougher.

541
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,680
So I have to work a lot on my
special, my specific thing.

542
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,200
So whatever he gives me, my goal
is to win.

543
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:24,800
I love it.
I love it.

544
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,760
I think it's I think it's going
to be great, man.

545
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,960
Yeah.
So you trace.

546
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,160
So what's your what's your
training schedule like?

547
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,000
Shoot 10:00 AM every morning.
No, I'm sorry, 9:00 AM every

548
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,960
morning.
I get done around 11:30 left on.

549
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,680
What do I do?
What do I do on there one 1:00

550
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,920
PM drill some light drilling.
2:00 PM Strength and

551
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,520
conditioning on Mondays,
Wednesdays and Thursday.

552
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,360
You know one Monday, Wednesdays
and Friday.

553
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:02,000
Tuesdays and Thursdays we spar,
then 12:00 jujitsu.

554
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960
Then you have your therapy, then
you have your road work.

555
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,480
What else?
And then grapple again at 7:00

556
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,000
PM.
So all day, every day.

557
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,000
Yeah, weekend and only chill,
but you're doing something light

558
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,520
work, drill, stuff like that, go
to the gun range, blah blah

559
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,440
blah.
Have fun.

560
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,760
What do you call it?
How do you give you?

561
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,800
How do you How do you recover?
Relaxing, eating healthier, a

562
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,440
lot of healthier.
Yeah, dude, water ice bath.

563
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,560
Try, oh try to go to the cryo.
Uh huh.

564
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,520
Definitely.
Everything is expensive now, you

565
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,360
know.
Dude, it's a fortune.

566
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,600
It's a fortune to get you a
decent like like anything.

567
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,920
Anything that isn't like you
can't do by yourself in nature

568
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,440
is just a fortune to do,
especially on a regular basis,

569
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,000
you know?
Uh huh.

570
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,920
Ice bath is crazy.
How are you saying that for?

571
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,680
You pay 2 minutes and you go in
the other bath.

572
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,680
Do you cut it out, go back in
the ice bath for two more

573
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,600
minutes?
Can go out and yeah, yeah, song

574
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,160
therapy, all that crap.
Yeah, you, you feel like, you

575
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,480
feel like it makes a huge
difference.

576
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,360
Huge difference.
It makes everything look better

577
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,920
you know, and then it helps it
help you cut weight too.

578
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,760
Not all the time.
Sometime I I, I I like the cryo.

579
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,720
Cryo chamber is much better for
me.

580
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Yeah.
So you, how much what do you at

581
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,760
now?
How much what do you weigh right

582
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080
now and how much?
So you're a month out of the

583
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,960
fight.
What are you?

584
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,320
What are you going to weigh 1?
75 now, yeah.

585
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,480
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's awesome.

586
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,280
And so every week you'll
probably cut another 5 to 7 lbs

587
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,720
and you'll be there.
No.

588
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Kind of stay there and it's
chill and chill and chill.

589
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Cut 10 lbs of water the day off,
then you go check weight.

590
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,720
She's try not to make it too
complex, you know what I mean?

591
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,800
It's making it real simple and
easy.

592
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,960
Yeah.
Yeah, so I like to cut 10 lbs of

593
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,400
water and that's it. 10 lbs of
water.

594
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,520
And that's it.
And you can, and then and then

595
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,000
you could just rehydrate.
Wait, when you when you fought,

596
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,240
do you notice that people are
like, whoa, like this guy's a

597
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,720
lot heavier than 155?
Yeah.

598
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Well, yeah, everybody does that.
Everybody does that.

599
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,520
So 155.
Is usually fighting at 20 lbs.

600
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,960
Ten 15 lbs Heavier than that.
Around there, that's our

601
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,640
average.
Like, they don't need so much

602
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,200
you can gain.
But yeah, everybody does it.

603
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,160
Nobody walk in The Cave
fighting.

604
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,000
I mean, Frankie Edgar did
sometimes, but not everybody.

605
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,760
You've always, you've always
been religious.

606
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,160
You always prayed.
Always I had to got me to where?

607
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,720
I mean, I'm shocked I made it
here.

608
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Now I want to make it further.
Yeah, I hope you go.

609
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,280
I I know you're going to man, I
I would like, I'm excited for

610
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,480
this next fight, man.
You are you nervous about going

611
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,160
to rush a lot?
No, I've been there before.

612
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,520
Yeah.
No, no, I can't.

613
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,640
You've been there.
What's it like?

614
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Pretty dope, Yeah, pretty dope.
People here are nice, Yeah.

615
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200
I'm not too sure about the war
stuff, but but first I'm going

616
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,640
to Moscow and I'll let you know
when I get back.

617
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Wow, crazy.
Yeah, we're going to do a, we're

618
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,400
going to do a Part 2 full
episode when you get back post

619
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:14,320
win and it'll be great.
And and you know, we'll, we'll

620
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,800
talk all this out in person and
we'll be able to kind of dive a

621
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,760
little more into it.
All right.

622
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,120
Dude you all love it.
I got I'll I'll make videos and

623
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,080
share your stories with.
You all right, brother?

624
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,560
You got it.
OK, well, let's, we'll, we'll,

625
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,040
you got to fight in the month,
December 5th.

626
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,720
We'll push man.
And God bless man.

627
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,080
We're going to, we're going to,
we'll make some.

628
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,840
Well, we're hoping for something
good over here.

629
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,520
You will keep me your prayers.
I love you brother.

630
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,040
Thank you.
All right, talk to you soon,

631
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,560
man.
Take care.

632
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,840
Bye.
I'll talk.