Entertainment Series 1: Anthony Vittorioso

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together

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Two and we're live, Tony.
Let me see.

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Let me see if I don't butcher
your name.

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Vita Vita Rosio.
Vita Rosio.

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Hey, that's close enough.
People just give up.

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No, it's OK.
People just give up all the

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time.
Vita Rioso.

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It's me also.
Where you from man?

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I'm from Chicago, IL, born and
raised.

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Love that place, man.
Love that place.

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Chicago proper, OR?
Yeah, we I grew up on the West

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side of Chicago.
Wow, awesome.

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Yeah.
How'd you like growing up there?

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It was, it was, it was good.
You know, my, my, my parents

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didn't really let me go out as
much because we were on the West

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side of Chicago, even though
it's really not bad in a bad

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area, But because they're just
protective and they just want

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the best for me.
They kind of kept me secluded

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and put me in the martial arts
program.

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And that's where I spent most of
my times in Chicago.

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So great.
Yeah.

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So let's get.
So let's dive right in.

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Why don't you tell me a little
bit about who you are and what

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you're up to, and we'll go from
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Great.
Well my name is Tony Victodioso.

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I'm a martial artist, stuntman,
fight coordinator and and

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aspiring action director.
My passion lies bringing people

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together to create work,
something that we can all be

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proud of.
And so for me, it's about the

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journey and not so much about
the the accolades that'll come

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as as the work happens.
So.

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How do you who taught you that
perspective?

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That's a great perspective to
have, and I feel like a lot of

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people don't have that.
I feel like in the, I can't

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speak for everybody, but in the
industry people just want to say

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I did this and I did that and
you know, you know, they want to

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be the big shot.
And I feel like that's that

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happens in most businesses
anyways.

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But in the industry you get
humbled really fast.

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And so if you just kind of stay
humbled the whole way, no one's

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going to put the finger at you
as this guy's, this guy's, this,

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this, and this.
He's looking for attention, he's

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looking for trouble.
He's looking to throw other

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people under the bus for his
own, for his own gain.

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I'm sure there's a lot of that,
right?

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All the time, but you know, you,
you try not to take it personal.

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You just kind of kind of
navigate your own way and

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whatever comes your way, you
navigate a straight away and

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bada Bing, bada, boom, all is
good at the end of the day.

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That's it, you know, that's it.
So you started with martial arts

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before you ever thought about
doing stunts?

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What martial arts do you study
and when did you start?

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I started when I was 4, started
off at Bob Zhang's Martial Arts.

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He taught Taekwondo, Hapkido,
and I did that up until maybe 12

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or 13 years old.
And then when we moved to the

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suburb of Naperville, I found
the school called Sharkey's

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Karate, which has basically
changed my whole life.

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So once I started there, oh man,
just said the, the, the people

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there are so elite.
The people there are elite, but

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the person who was guiding that
whole, that whole school Sensei

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John Sharkey, he's created
average human beings to elites.

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And it's, it's, it's just a
persona he has.

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It's his teaching.
It's the way he loves you.

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It's the way he guides you.
It's like you almost don't want

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to let him down.
You know, he, he, he puts so

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much, he pours so much into you.
It's like you have no, you have

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no choice but to go.
If you mean to go, go mean.

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And that's what that's what he's
instilled in us, his go no

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matter what.
So.

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I I, I teach, I teach English
part time in the afternoons to

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high school students.
And one of the things that I've

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noticed over the last couple of
years is that when I, I hold my

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students to a higher standard
and I tell them that like, I

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know you're smart, I know you're
capable, I know you could do

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this, Then that that gives them
less ex less excuses for

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themselves to kind of opt out of
responsibility.

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You know, and I think that a lot
of times we, I think the biggest

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problem that we, we experience,
especially as we're growing up

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is like, we almost don't want
the standards to be high.

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So that because you know, you
don't want to, you don't want to

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let someone down.
Like, you know, on one hand, you

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don't want to let someone down.
And on the other hand, it's also

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scary because it just means
you're taking on extra

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responsibility and the burden of
being, you know, of trying to be

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your best yourself requires a
lot of effort and a lot of hard

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work.
And you know, it's, it's, it's,

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it's a lot to deal with.
So I think that I think that

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when you when you're kind of
given permission to be great,

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that's when and you know, and
and you see that someone

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believes in you, that really
brings out the best in, you

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know, people in general. 100%
you've been the Senate.

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Any better than that?
So what's the difference?

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What's the difference
stylistically for anyone that

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doesn't know between karate and
you said you started with

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Taekwondo?
Yes, Sir.

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So what's the difference
stylistically between them, or

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philosophically or whatever?
Taekwondo is more of a king art.

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Taekwondo has to deal.
I like to think of Taekwondo as

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as fencing with your feet.
You know, there's you can also

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say that about Savat too, But
Savat is a French kickboxing.

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It's it's more boxing with your
feet as I like to think of

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Taekwondo as as fencing with
your feet because you're you're

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going in and out in this linear
pattern.

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But you can also move off access
and and kind of take your angle

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and karate is more grounded.
I like to think of karate as

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nerd nerd out a little bit like
earth bending, because you're so

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in in tuned with grounding
yourself and generating power

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from the ground up into your
fist.

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Or whether it's a punch, a kick,
a block.

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Our sensei always taught us a a
block as a punch, a punch as a

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block, and even the even the
kick is a block is you explain.

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What that means?
Yeah, so we have this thing

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called Let's go, let's go shoot
up, right?

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It's just called a knife hand
punch, right?

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OK, so there's uki, then there's
zuki, right?

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And uki means a punch or like an
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And the zuki is is a block.
So I I could take a knife hand

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block and I could go linearly to
to the collarbone.

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But if I just go off access just
past my center line, I I can

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take that block that that punch
and turn into a block mark if

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the person were to attack my
center line.

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I have so.
It's kind of adaptable.

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It's kind of adaptable. 100%.
Cool, cool, cool.

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Yeah.
And, and what do you, what do

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you learn?
What do you learn about life,

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especially when you're young,
when it comes to martial arts,

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discipline, discipline.
That's probably the most

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important thing you can learn,
right?

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100% like.
For anyone, it doesn't make a

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difference to what you're doing.
It doesn't make a difference if

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you're an accountant or a lawyer
or a stuntman or anything like

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you got to be.
Of course, of of course, because

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you know, motivation comes and
goes.

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You know, you can watch
inspiration video, you can look

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at your colleagues and be
inspired.

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But you know, discipline is what
you know, drives you to get to

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your end goal, right?
So, you know, there are times

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you don't want to wake up and
you don't want to go train, but

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you, you have to do it like you
love it.

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You know, when did you do it at
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Did.
You, I mean, I'm sure that

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didn't happen right away.
Do you remember when you like

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kind of shifted into that
discipline mindset as a kid?

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It's a great question.
Thank you.

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I'd say just like anything, it
it, it forms into a habit,

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right.
From what I, from what I

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understand, it takes roughly
2124 days to create a habit.

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And I definitely did not do that
without the support of my

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family, without the support of,
you know, my loved ones.

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And, you know, at the end of the
day, I'd be like, mom, I don't

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want to go.
She's was you have to go me all

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like, why are you not going?
Yeah, you know, and then my

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grandma would and stay with me.
And like, you just have to do

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things you don't want to,
period.

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And so I think it, it really set
in stone with me once I started

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competing in martial arts
because now, now it's investment

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of crime.
It's, it's, it's travelling,

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it's, it's missing school.
It involves money and involves

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so many different, you know,
varieties of life, right?

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So you almost don't want to
waste it.

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So it really became a, a habit
in the discipline and motivation

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to just do the best that I can
do.

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And even if I failed, I, I know
that I put my whole heart into

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it and the people who supported
me were happy.

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And if they're happy, I'm happy
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So.
I like to help you relationships

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with potentially losing.
You know, you like if you, if

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you lost at a tournament or a
competition and you knew you

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really did your best, what was
or I don't know what, what,

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what, what experience have you
had with that kind of thing?

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You know, if I had to reflect on
it now, you know, losing back

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then, it didn't feel like a big
deal.

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You know, I don't, I don't know.
It's, it's, it's one of those

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things where if it felt like a
big deal, but in, in, in the

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grand scheme of it, I was there
to have fun.

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You know what I mean?
Like, I got to hang out with my

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friends.
I got to travel the world, you

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know?
I got to do where.

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Where some places you went?
I went to Battle of Atlanta.

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We did Kentucky, which is
Bluegrass Nationals, which is

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what Sensei Sharkey ran for a
while and then he moved it to

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Chicago.
Now it's called AKA Grand

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Nationals went to U.S.
Open, which is this thing that's

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broadcast, broadcasted on ESPN.
So that was really cool to be

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involved with Capital Classics.
I'm in Nationals, which is in I

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believe it was in Minnesota I
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When you go to these places, you
checking out the cities, are you

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going with your family?
What's what's, what's happening

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at this point?
Are you going for the

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tournament?
Coming and going?

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I was grace to just go with my
sensei, you know, my parents, my

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parents just kind of let me go
and I was able to kind of, you

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know, live that that teenage
life travelling and just so that

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was really cool and something
took care of us.

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So he was as much as he was
responsible for us at the end of

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the day, he gave us the ground
rules, you know, don't leave the

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facility unless you tell me.
But for the most part, we were

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very respectful of his of his
rules because that's our sensei.

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So, you know, there, there's
that little gap area where you

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kind of, you know.
Yeah, of course you go.

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You look good, man.
You're gonna do.

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You gotta do.
So.

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Yeah, but I, I feel like I, I,
I, I feel like the sensei role

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is like so instrumental for so
many people because it's almost

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like parently, right?
It's almost like a paternal, A

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paternal kind of figure, the
sensei.

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Yeah, that kind of I feel like
if you don't have that kind of

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support at home that the
discipline and the and the life

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life lessons that senses teach
you really step up for a lot of

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people.
Have you, have you, have you

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noticed that in like your in
your experiences with other guys

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or guys or girls in your, you
know, classes?

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Yeah, yeah.
The the sensory role is just our

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senior, you know, you don't
want, it's like, it's like how

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you treat your grandma or your
grandpa, right?

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It's how you, it's like
respecting your elders.

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You know, at the end of the day,
you know, martial arts hasn't

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just taught us like a discipline
of physical art.

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It's a spiritual art.
But it's also learning how to

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just treat people like how you
would like to be treated.

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But because they're older than
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more wisdom, you almost want to
go above and beyond to, you

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know, show their respect.
You know, it goes beyond

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treating how you would treat
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that's no disrespect to your
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but it's just, you know, you
want to treat them with the

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highest regard, I think.
Part of the value, I think part

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of the value of that is like a
relationship that you're

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choosing to engage in as opposed
to one that you have to is

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always a little bit more
meaningful to the person that

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you're choosing to engage,
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So like the reason a parent
loves a kid more than a kid can

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understand is because a parent
chose to have the kid and raise

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the kid.
The kid didn't choose to have

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the parent, you know, like the
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But if you have a sensei, you
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you're, you're opting to stay in
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whatever it is, and, and you're,
you're opting to maintain that

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relationship.
And so you kind of appreciate it

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more than something that was
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just have.
You know, I think, I mean,

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that's, that's kind of that's
one of the things that I was

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thinking about in terms of, in
terms of like coaches and senses

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and stuff like that.
You know, it makes such a huge

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difference for so many people.
And like I was, I actually did a

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podcast with the woman that's
head of criminology,

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undergraduate criminology,
University of Miami.

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And one of the things that she
was doing research with was how

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organized sports and having
these and having coaches and

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role models dramatically,
dramatically decrease the

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likelihood for a crime, for
adolescent crime and youth

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crime.
And, and just having like that

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figure where they kind of, you
know, that that role model

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figure at a young age really,
really makes all the difference

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in the world when it comes to
your decision making. 100% And

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the sensei doesn't have to be.
It could be, it could be a

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teacher, it could be a business
advisor, you know, Sensei

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seafood, you know, it, it, it's
all the same thing is, is you're

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just looking at someone to the
highest regard.

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I like to think of it as also
like a mentor, you know, if we

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hadn't put it that way.
So yeah, I I wouldn't be where

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I'm at today without the mentors
in the senses in life.

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How often do you train?
How How do you keep up training?

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How often do you train?
What do you do if you're a jug

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of water?
Every every day, every day,

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every day, you know, some days
go harder than others, you know,

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Some days are more physical,
sometimes are more spiritual.

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Some days are just absorbing
what I can, you know, and that

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could be from studying film to
learning a new language.

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It's just as soon as you become
stagnant in your life, I feel

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like you become deluded.
And I think no one wants to feel

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like they're deluding,
especially as we age.

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And I know agent isn't a big
thing, but, you know, we're

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right here for a limited time,
so why not go hard?

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You know in.
In every possible way so.

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I think that's, I think that's
what discipline gives you.

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I feel like discipline gives you
the opportunity to really make

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the most of your potential.
And I think that, you know,

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because actually one of my
biggest fears, like in my life

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in general has just been like to
die before feeling like I did

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like, like feeling I wasted my,
you know, wasted my potential.

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That was like, I always think
about that and I feel a lot

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better about it the last couple
of years since I've really

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worked on my discipline and like
really worked on not being lazy

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and putting my effort into, you
know, 100% into what I do, you

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know, But I think that that
attitude, that healthy attitude

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has like I think it's required.
I think you need that discipline

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before you can become the best
version of yourself that you can

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do and really do all that.
What are the?

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What language are you learning?
I'm currently learning Urdu,

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which is a extending language,
which is it's just hard

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language.
Yeah, it's it's hard.

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What's hard about it?
The pronunciation and, you know,

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just like any language, it's
how, how you structure and, and

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the pauses in between the words
and, you know, just like

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English, you can kind of just
flow and you know, things

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happen.
It's the same and, and, or do

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except, you know, the way that
they roll their Rs and, and the

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way that they use their throat
and, and their tongue just like,

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just like really any language.
But because I primarily Hispanic

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and American, it's just, it's a,
it's a very different language

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for me, so.
Sure.

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Yeah, but you speak Spanish.
A little bit, yeah.

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I'm a, I'm a, I'm a false
Mexican.

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I'm half Puerto Rican and half
Mexican.

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My, my grandma taught me as much
as she could when I was younger.

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And then, you know, as I got
older, that kind of all just

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kind of faltered and other
things started being a priority.

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Yeah, sure.
Yeah.

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I I grew up speaking Hebrew and
my Hebrew is not up to snuff as

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compared to what it used to be.
It's OK.

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Not all happens.
Yeah, I mean, like I could with

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the more I engage, like if I if
I practice, if I run into

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someone that speaks Hebrew and I
practice for a couple of days,

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it kind of clicks back into
place, but it's not what it used

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to be.
So.

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So tell me a little bit about
the stunt world.

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So tell me for anyone that
doesn't know, right, they'll be

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listening.
What does stuntman or you know,

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what do stunt people do?
Some people do.

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Yeah, just just overall, if
someone, if someone never knew

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that this position existed in
Hollywood and, you know,

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entertainment, you know what?
How would you describe it to

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them?
We are the people who put our

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bodies on the line for
entertainment and and sometimes

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it can be the simplicity of, you
know, coming into lens and

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taking a punch and leaving frame
or taking a car hit and then

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having to do that.
You know, as many times as they

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say action Wow.
So, you know, I think it's one

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of the best jobs to to me.
There's there's that rush that

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that you get.
It's going to sound kind of

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crazy of of of putting your life
on the line for for the sake of

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proving something to yourself.
Like, you know, when it when it

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becomes are you set ready 321
action for me, like everything

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kind of the, the hyper focus
kicks in and all I hear is

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action.
And then to be honest, I don't

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even know what I'm what I'm
doing.

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My body jumps and I know what my
body moves and I feel like

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that's, that's the form of
myself that I don't have to

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think about.
You know, you train so hard to

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do all of these, these skills,
right?

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And then when it's time to do
the skill, your, your body goes

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autopilot and then your brain is
allowed to dissect each movement

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as it's happening by, by like a
millisecond, which is, which is

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something that I always try to
understand as I get older

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because, you know, my, I'm, I'm
young, I'm 31.

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I still have a lot in the tank,
but I, I made a promise to

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myself by the age of like 36,
you know, 37, you know, I'm

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going to try to lean away from,
you know, putting my life at

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risk because, you know, I'd like
to be more than just a stuntman.

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You know, I'd love to direct
films.

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I just want to tell stories.
Action will never leave my my

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most on the sewer of violence.
And I want to take this violence

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that I have.
And, you know, I use violence

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like loosely.
You know, there's, there's

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action comedy, there's, you
know, there's, there's drama,

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there's even even the romance.
There's that sense of violence,

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right?
So I just want to tell as many

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stories as I can.
I want to represent an idea.

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And I feel like every stuntman
has this mentality of just

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telling the story, whether
that's with their bodies, you

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know, on screen, whether that's
writing or directing action, You

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know, I feel like every stuntman
just wants to tell the story,

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but they also want to stay
behind the curtains because we

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don't like attention, right?
That's The thing is for me, I

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have a select few friends who
just, they don't want to talk to

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the actors.
They don't really care.

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Really.
No, yeah.

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So they just come on to set.
They just come on to set, take a

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hit and then take a take and
take, do a hit and then walk

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off.
And bounce, yeah.

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Don't talk to anyone else.
They have nothing else to do

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with the movie, or not really,
whatever.

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Yeah.
I mean, more or less, you know,

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it's it's, you know it's.
It's so is there some, is there

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some community like is there?
Like, Oh yes, Oh yeah, yes, I'm

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still learning the community,
you know, the as as much as the

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community so small, it's also
very vast.

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You know, everybody kind of
knows everybody.

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Like for me, my seniors, you
know, created.

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A thread, right?
And, you know, that thread was

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basically like why they got into
what they were doing, you know,

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when they were studying the
Jackie Chan films and the Bruce

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Lee films and the Samo films and
the Shaw brothers and, and, and

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the Wu pings, like when they
were studying those films, you

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know, they would replicate, you
know, their own ideas of that

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and what that meant to them.
And then they would share with

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each other.
But it would be like criticism,

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but like that healthy criticism,
right?

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You'd be like, hey, you know,
like if you thought about maybe

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slowing down the frame rate or
have you thought about, you

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know, putting more intent behind
the punch?

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And it'd be like these little
things that would make the

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biggest difference.
And, you know, now in in our

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community, you kind of see that,
but it, it feels more

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competitive.
It's it's more like everybody

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wants to get developed because,
you know, my mentor told me

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this.
His name is Emmanuel

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Manzanarrison.
I'll never forget it is there's

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always going to be so many.
You're going in you stronger

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than you, better than you and
more talented than you, right?

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And it's up to you to decide
whether you want to push them to

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the side or you want to help
them grow, right.

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And so I feel like that's an
ever go, ever going thing in

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life.
So in the community, you want to

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basically hone in on the idea
of, you know, being genuine with

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your peers and your colleagues
and the people who are coming

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up.
You want to teach them as much

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as you can, but don't spoon feed
them, you know, And I feel like

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a lot of the work back in the
day with The Pioneers like Emma

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humans and Aeros and you know,
Vlad Rinberg and you know, Eric

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Jacobus, you know, the list goes
on, is you, you you just want to

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make sure that you hone in on
the idea of what they've done to

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make it for themselves.
And then, you know, re innovate

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it to a degree because in my
eyes, everything's been done,

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you know, from from camera work
to a punch to a kick to a block

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to a throw.
But what what what hasn't really

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been tuned in all the way is the
emotion that you get behind the

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camera or that, you know, shows
in front of the camera.

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The.
Nuance.

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The body language is so nuanced.
Yes, Sir, a bunch of percent.

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I love that you said that.
There's a nuance because because

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there is, you know, every
emotion plays a part.

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Like I could throw a punch sad,
I could throw the punch angry, I

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could throw the punch, you know,
with the straight intent to take

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your head off or to just damage
you.

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You know, there's, there's so
many, you know, variables of

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doing things, but it all stems
from the intent and the emotion

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behind it.
And it's what the story needs to

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convey.
And so you know a lot of.

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Interesting.
When you say, when you say you

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want to direct, you want to tell
stories, it's because you can

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find a physical way.
Obviously there's more than you

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know, but there's a physical way
to tell every story and there's

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a physical way in each moment to
like represent what's going on

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in someone's head, in their body
and in their and in their

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movement. 100%, Sir, Yeah.
Right, Right.

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Yeah, It's so cool.
Yeah, it's so cool.

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It's so much fun.
Yeah, I'd like to say there's,

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there's always something that
you're going to learn whether

441
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,040
you're the best, you know,
you're always going to find some

442
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,440
small detail that you haven't
seen before that you might look

443
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,000
at it differently even as you
age, you know?

444
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,200
Yeah, so.
Yeah, but it doesn't, I mean,

445
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,720
you, you mentioned that the
Stone community is getting a

446
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,880
little bit more competitive,
that everyone wants the jobs

447
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,200
there's.
I feel like I could be wrong.

448
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,960
I feel like there's a lot more
content being produced today

449
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,200
than ever You got because on top
of the big studios, you also

450
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,600
have the streaming studios and
you have Netflix and you have

451
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,080
Amazon and you have like you
have Apple TV and you have you

452
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,200
have all these studios that are
constantly making content.

453
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,840
Aside from the big, you know,
the main studios that everyone's

454
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,720
known.
Is there not more, Is there not

455
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,440
more jobs available at this
point?

456
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,280
Or is it that there's is that
the market becoming became more

457
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,880
flooded with stunt with stunt
people?

458
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,600
No, I just think, you know, you
can look at it from a different

459
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,640
from multiple perspectives.
You know, when when I first

460
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,560
started, like I started off in
Atlanta, like I start off in

461
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,160
Chicago and I'm a mentor, say,
hey, go to Atlanta, go make a

462
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,720
name for yourself and then go to
LA and in Atlanta it wasn't it

463
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,000
was really easy to work right.
You can kind of just.

464
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,560
So when did you, how old are you
when you started, and what got

465
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,400
you started in it?
I started off when I was 19.

466
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600
I was working at, I was working
at a retail store.

467
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,280
I didn't know what I want to do
with my life.

468
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,400
I knew that I wanted to do
something physical.

469
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,560
So I, I jumped into a Community
College.

470
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,920
I got my associates and personal
treatment Cool.

471
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,760
And one night after work, I, my,
my best friend Nate hit pass,

472
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,720
sent me a text message and a
YouTube video from treasure

473
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,560
planet where you know, this is,
it's the scene on the boat where

474
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,880
he says you have the making of
greatness in you.

475
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,560
He was already doing stunts at
the time with Emmanuel and he

476
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,400
said, Hey, I think you'd be a
good fit for this.

477
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,640
It's not going to be an easy Rd.
but I, I, I'd love to do it with

478
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,160
you.
Right.

479
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,400
And that was, that was what,
what, what pushed me.

480
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,320
And at that point, I met, I met
Manny and then.

481
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,920
You go for auditions, what do
you do?

482
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,560
Or do you learn skills first?
You like, I, I, I, I'm sure you

483
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,200
like, you know, getting hit by a
car isn't something that you

484
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,760
just do, you know, and like, no
matter how physically capable

485
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,520
you are, right?
I'm sure you have to learn this

486
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,440
stuff, right?
Yeah, it's something that you

487
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,680
practice, you know, like you're
not going to practice getting

488
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,440
hit by par right.
But, you know, you, you learn

489
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,760
how to move your body in a
certain way where you can absorb

490
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,720
the impact and then roll off of
it, you know, and then once you

491
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,160
hit the ground, you, you either
if depending how the car is

492
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,280
going, you can either just take
it for what it is, or you could

493
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,000
kind of create this also
dirtiness to it as soon as you

494
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480
impact.
So at the end of the day, what

495
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,360
you train is learning how to
move your body.

496
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,960
That's gymnastics, that's
martial arts.

497
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,080
That's what kind of got me into
this old knowing, knowing my

498
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,720
body.
So, yeah, I just recently did a

499
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,600
did a, a car stunt where I had
to had to, you know, jump onto a

500
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,160
moving vehicle and then, you
know, push come to shove, I get

501
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,680
spilled off the moving vehicle,
right.

502
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,680
And, you know, the vehicles
going, you know, at most like

503
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,240
1516.
And, you know, you could let the

504
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,840
vehicle dictate your movement or
you could ride the vehicles

505
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,640
momentum and then make it your
own.

506
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,280
And I feel like, you know, most
people would just say, I'm just

507
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,720
going to let my body go.
Well, that that's when the

508
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,480
injuries happen, right?
Is, is you just kind of let

509
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,560
things happen.
Yeah, as soon as you're in

510
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,840
control and you'll be cognizant
of the whole motion of it all,

511
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:45,360
you, you start to variate the
types of wrecks that you can,

512
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,880
you know, achieve on film.
Yeah, yeah.

513
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,000
And then and then is there.
So what's the feeling like when

514
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,640
you you get hit by, you know,
you get hit by this car or

515
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,640
you're on this car and you fall
off and they're like, cut, we

516
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,840
screwed up.
We need another take.

517
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,760
Are you like, let's do it again
exactly the same way?

518
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,680
Are you like, that sucks.
What's your?

519
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,720
What's your?
Can you do you request other

520
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,720
takes sometimes or how does that
work?

521
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,000
You know, that kind of depends
on the film that you're on,

522
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,760
right?
If, if you're working with the,

523
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:19,000
you know, if, how can I say it?
If, if it's a first unit job, I

524
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,360
usually tend to keep my mouth
shut.

525
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,160
Like a first unit job is like,
let's say that you're working

526
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,280
for, let's say Zack Snyder,
right?

527
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,440
He's very intimate with the
stunt team.

528
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,480
He's he's very he, he, he wants
the best for his stunt team

529
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,880
because if it's the best for his
stunt team, it's also going to

530
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,640
make the best for his film.
And so, you know, I have a, a

531
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,400
mentor by, by the name of Damon
Carl.

532
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Him and Zach work so tightly
together that if if Damon says,

533
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,200
hey, we got to go again, you
know, Zach's like, Yep, no

534
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,160
problem.
You know, let's get the cameras

535
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,240
rolling.
So there's that trust factor

536
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,960
that I trust my boss.
If he sees something, he's going

537
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,920
to speak up.
If he doesn't say nothing and

538
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,560
let's say I did something wrong,
but he signs off on it, I know

539
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,440
I'm in my head.
You know, I think there's just

540
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,280
that trust that that you have.
But now let's say that, you

541
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,280
know, we're working on a second
unit and you know, usually the

542
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,080
second unit director is a.
Is a stop.

543
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,080
Second unit is just a separate
unit from main unit.

544
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,400
So you know, mostly main unit
will do all of the all of the

545
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,800
acting bits that lead into the
action, right?

546
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,320
And then the second unit
director will be quote UN quote

547
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,320
like the action director.
OK, gotcha.

548
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,280
More or less than, you know, if
I see something or if I feel

549
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,480
like I do something, I feel a
little bit more confident to

550
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,160
say, hey, you know what?
I you know, I don't know if you

551
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,440
saw that, but I did this, this
and this.

552
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,480
Do you mind if we go again?
But also at the same time, you

553
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
have to be cognizant of each
take is thousands and thousands

554
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040
of dollars, you know what I
mean?

555
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,600
So you don't want to feel like
you're the problem.

556
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,480
You just want to make sure that,
you know, they're hiring you.

557
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,640
It's not, it's not stunt school.
It's it's stunt work.

558
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,400
So you just want to make sure
that you're on your your game.

559
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,040
So, you know, it depends, to
answer your question shortly,

560
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,320
depends on who you're working
for.

561
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,720
Yeah.
Do you think that, do you think

562
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,560
that other is your philosophy
about that?

563
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,080
Is that universal throughout the
stunt world?

564
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,880
Or there are different stunt
people that are a little bit

565
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,120
more, you call them like Divas
or whatever, Like, Oh no, I

566
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,760
don't like that take.
I want to do it again.

567
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,480
Or, you know, they don't have a
problem.

568
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,320
Like they don't look at it like
stunt work.

569
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,360
They look at it like, like,
listen, this is my art and I

570
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,000
want and I want my art to look
as, you know, to be as artistic

571
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,680
as possible.
And so I don't mind spending

572
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,240
another couple grand on a take
if it's going to be this piece

573
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,120
of art, you know?
Are there a lot of people like

574
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,680
that?
I feel like that's that's a,

575
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,040
that's a, that's a conversation
amongst the stunt team.

576
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,600
I don't think it takes one
person to say I need to go again

577
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,600
because my foot was in the wrong
place or, you know, I didn't do

578
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,320
this, you know, specific
reaction, you know, that to me

579
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,000
is going the extreme route.
I'm sure that has happened, but

580
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,800
you know, for the most part, we
are all very humble and we

581
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,760
really trust our, our bosses to
put us in the right position in

582
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,080
the right place.
So that's, that's a difficult

583
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,480
question to ask because I've
always been involved with a

584
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
good, with a good team.
And so, you know, I, I've never

585
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,800
really had a thing on set where
it's like where things are going

586
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,920
to happen in the spirit of the
moment, but not to say that it

587
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,600
hasn't happened.
You know, there's there's tons

588
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,960
of.
I'm sure there have yeah, that's

589
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,840
that's that's how I was curious,
you know, because you're because

590
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,960
you you seem to be coming at
this from a very mature

591
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,320
perspective and a very, you
know, conscientious of other

592
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,600
people and and, you know, time
and money.

593
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,120
And you know, how big of a how
big of a effort, you know,

594
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,480
making making a film or making
a, you know, you know, putting

595
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,840
something together is, you know,
I just, I was just curious

596
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,600
whether that's like a general
mentality amongst some people or

597
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,720
whether that you're just, you
know, the exception you think to

598
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:55,600
the rule.
I think I lost you, dude.

599
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Oh, wait.
I got you good.

600
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:58,920
I got you again.
Yeah, we're good.

601
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Yeah, yeah.
I think for the most part we

602
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,040
like to think of ourselves
behind the curtain if they need

603
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,080
to go again, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

604
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,840
So what?
So what, what?

605
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,080
What movies and and films have
you done?

606
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,960
What have you just two
questions, OK, what are the,

607
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,280
what's some of the biggest
movies that I would have heard

608
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,160
of and one of the ones that
you've enjoyed the most, which I

609
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,600
don't.
I'm sure there's not necessarily

610
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,600
a correlation between the size
as opposed to the how you feel

611
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,240
about the quality of the stunt
work.

612
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Oh, that's a great question.
Brother, every experience holds

613
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,720
different value for me.
What movies have you done that

614
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880
would have heard of?
Rebel Moon.

615
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,440
OK, no, that's not.
Yeah, we did a Part 1, Part 2

616
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,440
under Damon, Carl and Freddie
Bousillakis.

617
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Army.
Dead Light, because that's a big

618
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,120
production, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah.

619
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,400
That was a that was a good, that
was a good seven months for us.

620
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,360
We did.
Did you walk me through it?

621
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,520
100% I had worked for a
gentleman by the name again,

622
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,840
Damon Carl on the film called
Army the Dead.

623
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,880
And I got introduced by like I
introduced to Damon by another

624
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,720
colleague by the name of Wayne
Doglish, who is also under Damon

625
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,000
Karl's wing.
And you know, my buddy Michael

626
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,240
Karns, one of my best friends
even still today, you know,

627
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,520
we've been coming up together
since since we were thirteen

628
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,080
years old up at Sharkey's
Chronic.

629
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,520
That's where I met him.
And so, you know, he says, when

630
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,560
I first moved to LA in 2018,
Michael's like, yo, I got a job

631
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,320
that I'm doing with Wayne
Doglish.

632
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,400
I'd love to have you be a part
of it.

633
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,120
I think you'd like him a lot.
And you guys would mesh.

634
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,320
And when we did that job
together, I've met Wayne, you

635
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640
know, I did a good job.
I love the Wayne's vibe.

636
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,280
I love his action design.
And then from there, Fast

637
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,920
forward the next year, Wayne's
like, hey, I'd love to have you

638
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,200
on this film I'm doing.
And I had new Damon Carl's name

639
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,240
before.
So when you said it was for

640
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,280
Damon, I, you know, I fanboy.
I was like, you got to think.

641
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,360
You got to be kidding me, you
know?

642
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,600
Damon did 300, you know?
So when you watch 300, you're

643
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,400
like, yeah.
Spartans.

644
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,960
Like bad ass warriors, like come
on, man.

645
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,160
And he did sucker punch as well.
He did, you know, Man of Steel,

646
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,560
you know, he did Wonder Woman.
So you're like you're, you're

647
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,400
seeing all these his action
design accolades and you're

648
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,600
looking at, you know, when you
watch it for just design, you

649
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,480
know, I, me and Micah and a lot
of my other colleagues just

650
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,440
gravitated towards that style,
right.

651
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,840
And, and so, yeah, I, I've met
Damon on Army of the Dead and

652
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,960
from then and on we just had
like a working, working

653
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,200
relationship.
And you know, he's he's he's

654
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,480
taught me a lot in like early
come UPS as well.

655
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,120
And you know, again, I wouldn't
I?

656
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Wouldn't.
So you go, you go out, you go to

657
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,240
rebel.
So you're in LA.

658
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,400
You're living in LA at this
point.

659
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Yes, Sir.
Yeah.

660
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,440
And then and then and you go to
the Netflix studio and what's

661
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,440
the set like?
What's, what's it?

662
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,960
Is it, how big is it?
Was it?

663
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,160
What?
Can you describe it at all?

664
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Yeah, it's a big set.
It's a big set, right?

665
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,639
But you know, what's, you know
what's really cool about about

666
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,960
Zack Snyder's, you know, sets,
it's so family oriented.

667
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,800
He's like, he's been working
with the same team since, you

668
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,199
know, since Dawn of the Dead,
right?

669
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,880
And so it's just like, ah, it's
like everyone knows everybody.

670
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,120
And like, I think when you have
that, that, that bond, things

671
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,080
just start moving.
And I and I also feel like

672
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,440
you're, you're able not not
argue, but you're able to have

673
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,440
these creative.
It's not even banters, but like

674
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,480
those.
Back and forth.

675
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,120
Yeah, yeah.
And it's, I think that is what's

676
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,320
cool about his sets.
Yes, his sets are big, right?

677
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,679
Yes, his sets move. $5 million.
It's crazy, it's absurd.

678
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,280
It's absurd how much money goes
into each take, how much money

679
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080
goes into props and costumes and
just even for the stunt

680
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,800
department, right.
The the stunt department is,

681
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,320
holds millions of dollars, you
know, and as first stunt

682
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,560
coordinators, Jobby, like, how
do you take this money that

683
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,280
they're giving you?
How do you preserve it?

684
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,720
How do you extend it?
How do you push it?

685
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,480
How do you ask for more?
How do you, you know, how do

686
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,480
you, yeah, dictate where this
goes?

687
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Yeah.
And and so it's almost.

688
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Politics.
Well.

689
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Right.
You got to figure out who to say

690
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,960
what to and how to say it and
where to go and who to go to and

691
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,680
they'll go over whose head and
you know, what are you talking

692
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,720
about?
Who you talking to?

693
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:21,960
I feel like it's all
complicated.

694
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,520
There's politics everywhere.
It's which is a whole other, you

695
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,000
know, conversation.
It's done since.

696
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,640
But yeah, like his, his sets are
probably one of the best sets

697
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,720
I've ever been in.
Still like to this day.

698
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120
So what's the you get there and
how long are you there for?

699
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,840
Well, we had prep for roughly 3
months.

700
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,920
We started in January.
You're.

701
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,800
Not moving in there because you
live there.

702
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,160
But what if it's a set that's
off, that's off location, right?

703
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,040
Like out of LA, That's how
you're going to, I don't know,

704
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,200
let's say Atlanta, right?
For, you know, to us that and

705
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,480
you're trained, you get your
stuff and you move there for

706
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,040
three months.
Yeah, yeah.

707
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,440
We for Army of the Dead, we
were.

708
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,320
We they flew us up to
Albuquerque and then they flew

709
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,720
us to New Jersey.
And so, you know, they put us up

710
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,120
in a hotel.
Yeah.

711
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,800
What was that like?
Yeah, it's, it's cool.

712
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,880
I mean, I don't, I don't mind
it.

713
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,320
You know, you're just a
minimalist at that point.

714
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,560
You're living out of your
suitcase.

715
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,560
You know, your main job is just
to go to work, you know, do your

716
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,400
job, come home and then live a
decently normal life at that

717
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,000
point.
But you know.

718
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Is it hard to like?
For me, it's not, I know you

719
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,280
know, some people they need to
travel back and forth home.

720
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,920
Lord watch.
I I understand that that makes a

721
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,600
lot of sense.
It's just you.

722
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,520
You're almost married to the
game at that point.

723
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,440
You.
Know what I mean?

724
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,280
Yeah, yeah.
So it's, you know it is what it

725
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,440
is, or else why you're doing
what you're doing.

726
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:51,200
So you're showing up to work and
there's you starting.

727
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,920
So let's say so again with Rebel
Mood, right?

728
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,240
So you're, you're, you're going
for a couple of three months.

729
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,160
And do they have they already
have a script.

730
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,560
They already know what the
movie's going to be.

731
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,920
They already know what you're
going to be.

732
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,280
Do they assign you to a main
actor?

733
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,320
Do they assign you to be a
villain, you know, and then they

734
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,080
have coordinated stunts already
or what?

735
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,000
How does that work?
So my role on the team was

736
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,480
utility slash fight team.
And so, you know, at that point

737
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,680
I was I was given a actress to
to train throughout the film.

738
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,680
And so I would talk to my boss.
Hey, what do you want?

739
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,000
I mean, what do you want her to
learn?

740
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,920
Yeah.
What are some things that, you

741
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,240
know, she needs or what's the
fight seem like?

742
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,440
And he would say, Hey, it's
going to be like this, this and

743
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,880
this.
So, you know, work on this.

744
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,280
Then it would be my job to
develop a plan, go through with

745
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,720
him and then off I go.
And you know, utility stunts

746
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,280
like you're coming up with
choreo.

747
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,840
You're you're teaching the the
actors, you're assessing them,

748
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,680
and you're also just being a
body.

749
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,400
Hey, I need you to take this
headshot in the corner.

750
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,200
I got it.
Boom.

751
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK.

752
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,840
Now, from there, I need you to
go to wardrobe and see if this

753
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,200
fits the actress.
OK, got it.

754
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,000
You know, like you're just,
you're just a moving part.

755
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,000
And to be honest, they could do
the job without you.

756
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,720
Like, you know what I mean?
Like you're expendable.

757
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,800
So I, I try, I try not to take
it as if I'm such a key player.

758
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,800
You know, it really, there are
tons of dudes like who can do

759
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,360
what you do right.
But I think what makes it worth

760
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,080
the wild is the connectivity
that you have with your stunt

761
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,120
team.
If there's one bad egg in the in

762
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,440
the batch, you know and the
stunt team can kind of go.

763
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,160
Yeah, it's funky.
So you try to be on your best

764
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,760
behavior and you just try to
have mutual understandings, like

765
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,960
with their colleagues and
teammates.

766
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,160
That is probably the best part
about starting from the the

767
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,680
start of the film to to the end,
because you go through this war

768
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,440
right from the beginning to the
end.

769
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,120
And when you're done, you're
like, OK, cool, now what?

770
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,880
Like like now what do we do?
Yeah, yeah.

771
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,920
So yeah.
So and then and then when you

772
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,200
and then when you look at the
final, at the final cup, right,

773
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,240
are you how, how familiar is it
to what you feel like you went

774
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:01,800
through as opposed to how it
comes out on screen?

775
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Like when you like, you know,
like, for example, again, like

776
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,400
let's say you get thrown off a
car, right?

777
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,080
Or you jump off a, you jump off
a off a roof and, and you're

778
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,040
jumping off and you see that and
you see that.

779
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,880
Do you see the takes when that
happened or no?

780
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,480
Like do you get to see them?
You just do it.

781
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,240
Yeah, yeah.
Like sometimes we'll, we'll see.

782
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:25,400
Like if it's a feature spot, I'm
not, If it's a feature spot,

783
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,680
sometimes I'll kind of like, you
know, like peek your head just

784
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,640
to see what's up with it.
Or, you know, my boss will say,

785
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,920
hey, you know, you need to do
this, this and this because

786
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,040
you're a little off frame or,
you know, I noticed that they're

787
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,640
doing this with the camera.
Like they're just changing

788
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,640
things.
There's a lot of moving parts

789
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,480
For me, I like to just wait to
be told kind of what to do

790
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,000
because my boss is kind of the
dictator of how he orchestrates,

791
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000
you know, the action scene.
So it's just I just really hone

792
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,520
in on that.
Yeah.

793
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,120
And then, but then when you
watch it at the end, you're

794
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,200
like, whoa, that's crazy.
I didn't realize I look like

795
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,560
that.
Is that what happened with your

796
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,000
with your friend of thought?
Yeah, yeah.

797
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,120
You know, it's cool.
It's cool because, you know,

798
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,160
there's like the director's cut
and then there's like the

799
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,960
production cut.
Yeah, it's, it's got a fifth or

800
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,840
time frame.
And so, you know, some things

801
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,320
you do.
It happened many times before.

802
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,560
I've done some gags and some
stunts that haven't made the

803
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,400
film.
You're like, OK, well, that was

804
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,640
fun, you know, for what it was
on the day.

805
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,040
Like I got to ride a wire and,
you know, take a bump.

806
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,800
Like that was fun.
And I still did it with a smile

807
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,560
even though, you know, my back
got practical.

808
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,880
But nevertheless that that's
what we do.

809
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,640
But it's like just just seeing,
just seeing the work on the

810
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,640
screen is cool enough.
I can imagine, dude, I did.

811
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,960
I went to just the other day.
I was at jujitsu.

812
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,400
I just started.
I mean, I started about a month

813
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,520
and change ago, right?
And, and I'm rolling with this

814
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,480
dude that's been, you know,
doing this for probably 7 or 8

815
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,080
years.
And he's really been showing me

816
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,960
he's kind of a little bit more
similar to my weight, my weight,

817
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,480
my bills.
And so he's kind of been like,

818
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,520
you know, teaching me a lot.
And so he and I are rolling and,

819
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,840
and at some point I go for, I'm
not a particularly flexible,

820
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,040
active physical person.
That's why I started jiu jitsu,

821
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,520
because I wanted to really
confront my physical concerns

822
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,720
and fears and you know, and my
and how timid I am physically

823
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,920
and like it's it's, you know, so
rolling at some point, I don't

824
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,240
even know.
I happened just like a blink.

825
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,200
I just did like we just did like
AI did like a he kind of

826
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,720
backflipped me, like tumblesoft
me, right, and I was like and I

827
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,720
felt the motion happening and it
was over before I even thought

828
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,320
to like even think about it.
Like you just like kind of just

829
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,640
happened and it was like a rock.
He kind of like flipped me, you

830
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,360
know, like I felt like my whole
like one minute I'm like this

831
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,160
and the next minute like my
whole body is just the other

832
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,600
way.
And I was like, and I was like,

833
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,120
I would have loved to see what
that looked like, you know,

834
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,480
like, I would have loved to see
like, you know, what that was.

835
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,640
So I can imagine how, how, how,
how, how cool it is at the end

836
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,120
of the day to like, you know,
see the magic of the of the film

837
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,760
come to life at the end of it,
you know?

838
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,280
Yeah.
Do that.

839
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,760
That's cool that you got
flipped.

840
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Yeah, I.
Got I got my first admission, I

841
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,640
was very excited about that too.
And then I got yelled at for

842
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,000
celebrating because I was told
not to, not to do that.

843
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,880
But I but the the other thing
that I was going to actually ask

844
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,200
you about and a problem that I
had because I was starting.

845
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,440
So I guess it's cool to kind of
have an appreciation, but still

846
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,520
be a beginner, you know, so I
can kind of understand what like

847
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,800
the actors and actresses would
be going through as they're

848
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,360
getting trained by someone like
yourself.

849
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,720
You know, one of the, the second
class I did this guy, this guy,

850
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,200
this the, the, the trainer
there, whatever it was, really

851
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,840
kicked my ass.
And he really made me work hard.

852
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,640
And part of the things that he
taught me how to do was to take

853
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,480
a fall.
And so it's like, you know, one

854
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,920
of the one of the pad, but to
throw back and to kind of like

855
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080
how to, how to land backwards,
right?

856
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,880
And I did, I did a bunch of
times because he made us go back

857
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,720
and forth across the mat.
And at the time I was like, this

858
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,280
is awesome.
And then I legitimately could

859
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,560
not move for like 4 days after,
like, you know, like that

860
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,480
afternoon I got I, you know, I
got home, I felt, I kind of

861
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,720
felt, and I'm sure that you've
experienced this almost like

862
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,920
while I was driving home, like
almost like a physical trauma,

863
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,960
like my body was kind of shaking
a little bit from, you know,

864
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,600
from taking it, you know, taking
those hits.

865
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,280
And then I got home and like my
whole body just like ached.

866
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Does that, does that hold up
production?

867
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Do you take that into account?
Do do acts as an actress

868
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,920
complain about that when you're
teaching them?

869
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,920
Like, Oh my God, I'm in so much
pain, what do I do?

870
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,440
How do I get over this?
What do you do about that?

871
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,800
100% and congratulations on that
pain because that's because

872
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,400
you're now now, now your body's
familiar.

873
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,920
It is, by the way, because I'm
not as sore as I as I used to be

874
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,520
for sure.
Right.

875
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,360
So, yeah, I mean, you know that,
you know that right there is,

876
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,640
you know, once the body starts
to familiarize itself with this,

877
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,960
you know, pain or this, this,
this physical trauma, you know,

878
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,400
the, the body's very adaptable,
whether you talk to it or not,

879
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,200
it's going to adapt to whatever,
you know, stresses that it puts

880
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,440
itself under.
So even on a set, like

881
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,040
adrenaline dumps are, are, are
real man.

882
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,920
Like you get pulled on to set,
you know, you, you go from 4

883
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,120
hours of doing nothing or 8
hours of doing nothing to you're

884
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,400
the last hour of the day.
And like everything you've

885
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,920
waited for just goes go, go, go,
go.

886
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,560
And then when you're done,
you're like, I just feel like it

887
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,840
went through a marathon.
Your, your body just depletes

888
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,360
and the soreness kicks in.
But then you got to get up again

889
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,120
and do it tomorrow.
So what do you?

890
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,000
How do you recover?
What?

891
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,200
So what do you do to recover?
You know, there's, there's

892
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,960
stretching, there's the, the ice
baths, there's, you know, you

893
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,080
can do the ibuprofens and you
know, it's just for me, I need

894
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,360
to be a little bit more better
on this is just turning off the

895
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,360
brain, you know, just taking
away all technology, taking

896
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,840
away, you know, you know, music,
just taking away things and just

897
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,240
kind of hone in on like
meditation, just calm, calming

898
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,320
the nervous system down because
in stunts, you're always go, go,

899
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,720
go, go, go, and then it stops
and then go, go, go, go, go and

900
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,280
it stops.
And if you just hone in on just

901
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,560
relaxing the whole nervous
system and turning off

902
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,280
everything.
I feel like that for me has been

903
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,160
very helpful and just being able
to get up and do it again the

904
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,240
next day for months, months and
months at a time.

905
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,920
So when did when did you start
meditating?

906
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,160
How much are you learning still
learning process?

907
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,360
Because, you know, that's, it's
an ongoing cycle.

908
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,200
But I think for me it was Army
of the Dead.

909
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,920
You know, it was, it was my
first really big movie run.

910
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,680
You know, I was.
How long did it take you to get

911
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,320
Army of the Dead?
How?

912
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,280
Long did it take me to get
there.

913
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,760
As in like how old are you when
you did it from as opposed to

914
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,920
when you started?
Like was it considered your big

915
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,280
break?
Was that like, oh, you throw

916
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,360
this on your resume and you're
like, now I hear the movie and

917
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,040
how long did it take you to get
that that film?

918
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,840
Yeah, 2019 is is when I got onto
Army of the Dead.

919
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,560
It was in March.
Yeah, it was in March years ago.

920
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,840
Yeah.
So, you know, I was in the

921
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,480
business or I started at 2013
and then you know, 2019 I got my

922
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,240
big break and from then on four
years.

923
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Before those, before that big
break.

924
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,880
I was in Atlanta, so I was doing
a lot of, you know, TV shows.

925
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,840
We call it day playing.
So day playing is like you come

926
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,760
in, you do a quick little job
and you go home, right Some

927
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,960
days.
Experience.

928
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,760
That's it by the Bing, by the
boom.

929
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,320
You, you do your your job and
you go home.

930
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,920
I was very grateful to land a
doubling role for The Walking

931
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Dead.
I doubled a character by the

932
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,720
name of Jesus.
And so I was there for like 3 or

933
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,960
Four Seasons at at where they 2
they shot in Savannah, GA, I

934
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,280
reckon.
OK.

935
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Something like that.
To be honest, it's it's been a

936
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,040
bit.
Wow, is that fun.

937
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,160
What was that?
When you're a double, that means

938
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,360
that that you're a double for a
main for a main for a main actor

939
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,560
on screen.
Yeah, yeah.

940
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Or like a reoccurring actor.
Yes, Sir.

941
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,120
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
And then they presumably have

942
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,720
enough action scenes involved in
that, in their, in their acting

943
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:51,520
that you that they need you to
step in for that.

944
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Yes, Sir.
What do you think of actors that

945
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,560
do their own stunts?
I think that's awesome.

946
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,040
You know, they, you know, for,
for, again, for us, we're just

947
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
behind the scenes, man.
Like people hate hearing this,

948
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,280
but it's like, I think we're,
we're cheerleaders for them.

949
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,280
Like we're there to test it for
them.

950
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,800
We're there to teach them it and
we're there to pump them up to

951
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,800
get it done.
You know, like that's our main

952
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,320
job is being a double.
And so, you know, when he would

953
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,160
ask me, hey, how do I do this?
And but you know, the camera's

954
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,840
going to be here and you're
going to do this.

955
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,200
And then there are times where
you know, they don't want your

956
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,720
help and that's OK.
You know, that's that's just,

957
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,040
it's figuring out what they like
and going off in that a lot of

958
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,480
the times.
So, so will an actor decide on

959
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,040
like on set while it's
happening?

960
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,440
Hey, I'm going to try to stunt
myself.

961
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,480
Or typically speaking, they
already knew in advance.

962
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,280
Hey, you know, like I'm sure not
everyone's a Tom Cruise.

963
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,880
You know, Tom Cruise, the most
famous example.

964
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,080
Who else does their own stunts?
And do you know any other actors

965
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,240
off the top of your head that do
their own stunts and what the

966
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,760
and and also are, do you think
people are inclined to just try

967
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,760
it in the moment like, oh, hey,
you know, let me just try

968
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,400
jumping this.
Let me try to do this jump.

969
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Sure.
I mean, I think every actor,

970
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,400
actress wants to do their own
stuff because, you know, at the

971
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,400
end of the day, they're also
trying to get booked on their

972
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,280
next job, right.
So if the Asian saying if if the

973
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,880
actors like, hey, I want to, I
want to do this fight scene,

974
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,640
right.
The sun coordinator will talk to

975
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,440
the actor, the director will get
involved.

976
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,000
And you know, at the end of the
day, it just becomes is this a

977
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,400
safety issue or no, right.
If it's not so much of A

978
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,840
detrimental safety issue, then
hey, go, go do it.

979
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Because again, the actor or
actress will put their character

980
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,760
into that punch.
As much as we'll do it right,

981
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,400
they'll do it more.
They'll have it with more

982
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,000
justice.
You know, so, so, so does that

983
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,280
does that mean that you've that,
and let's say again, let's say

984
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,640
in Walking Dead scenario, right
for you that that you're

985
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,600
following the script and the
character in his emotional state

986
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,440
and then and then when you're
doing the stunts, you're trying

987
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,000
to replicate what the actor has
been doing until that point?

988
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,240
Correct and like.
Wow, that's awesome.

989
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,160
So you so so you really are
acting yourself.

990
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,120
Do you want, do you want to
break into acting or you don't,

991
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,480
You don't want to be in front of
the camera like.

992
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,640
That, that's a good question.
I, I feel like in the indie

993
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,720
world, you know, we have to act
because it's, it is our, our

994
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,640
face when we shoot our own
shorts.

995
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,640
So like, I don't mind acting,
you know, I just think as I even

996
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,520
again, as I'm getting older,
I'd, I'd love to action direct

997
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,640
and just direct in general.
And you have to break into

998
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,240
emotion, right?
So you're almost forced to act

999
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,480
or else you're going to be a
director who can't act or can't,

1000
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,720
you know, explain to something
about, Hey, this is the emotion,

1001
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,560
emotional content I want for the
specific scene, XY and Z.

1002
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,080
But, you know, when I first
started off, I wasn't really

1003
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,000
into acting.
I was actually more embarrassed

1004
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,200
or just like, I'm a little shy.
Like, I don't know how to

1005
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,640
express myself unless it's a
like I'm going to fight

1006
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,680
something.
Yeah.

1007
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,320
So yeah, I feel like I'd like to
act more, but that's not what

1008
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,000
I'm chasing right now.
If it if it comes my way, heck

1009
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,800
yeah, put me in front of a
camera.

1010
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,000
Let me just do my thing.
How some how, some how what kind

1011
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,000
of skill set trans carries over
from stunts to directing?

1012
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,400
And what do you think you'll
need to learn in order to be a

1013
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:37,840
director?
You know, because I feel like,

1014
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,040
you know, and I actually, I
think that a lot of what you're

1015
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,040
saying, like for example, you
know, one of the favorite things

1016
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,280
I know it was of my favorite
things in movies are like the

1017
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,920
unsaid things that are just
spoken with body language and

1018
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,440
like, you know, and like you
could have moments give what I'm

1019
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,400
sure you watch The Sopranos, you
watch Sopranos.

1020
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,000
My parents were super into The
Sopranos.

1021
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,160
I know it was a it was a classic
drama.

1022
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,480
OK, so there's there's a scene,
there's a scene in the in the

1023
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,040
show at one point where where
the the main mafia guys

1024
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,040
therapist is raped and she's
trying to figure out whether or

1025
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,720
not she should tell him because
she knows that the mobster could

1026
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:15,640
kill it could kill the rapist in
a minute, right?

1027
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,600
All I just do is just say what
happened, give the guys a name

1028
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,400
and end of it, right?
And but she has this moral

1029
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,120
conflict within her as to
whether or not to go ahead with

1030
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,200
this.
And they shot that scene so

1031
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,720
beautifully because she it was
almost no words the whole time.

1032
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,080
Like it was just body language
speaking.

1033
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,840
It was just like him prompting
her, you know, raising an

1034
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,920
eyebrow.
What do you want to tell me?

1035
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,640
You know, like, kind of like
lifting up his chin a little

1036
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,920
bit.
And like you see that Like she's

1037
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,520
almost like reserved and
thinking and like she's using

1038
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:54,040
her entire body and she she just
breathes in her conflict, you

1039
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,240
know, like that's just something
that you just like sense coming

1040
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,680
out of her.
And she ends up not saying, you

1041
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,160
know, not not not not doing it,
not saying anything to him.

1042
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,240
So I'm sure that like that what
you're communicating, you know,

1043
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,040
that that that that could that
that body communication, that

1044
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,480
body language is something that
you would probably be able to

1045
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,520
carry over pretty well in terms
of skills from stunts to

1046
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,440
directing.
What do you think that you would

1047
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,520
have to like kind of pick up?
What kind of skill sets do you

1048
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,920
think you'd have to learn?
Wow.

1049
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:29,440
I say being intuitive, you know,
learning, learning to feel at

1050
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,920
the moment, you know, because
you know, you know, we're

1051
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,680
getting actors and actresses
together to invade something,

1052
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,560
right?
And they're going to know their

1053
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,720
character better, you know
better, you know, either

1054
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,480
obviously go to study that
character and you're going to

1055
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,760
get into the mindset of that
character.

1056
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,080
So there's, I'd say it's being
in, in intuitive, it's having

1057
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,840
that relationship to communicate
openly on, on, on what's

1058
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,880
necessary and what's not
necessary and really, really

1059
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,280
trusting your environment.
I feel like a lot of you.

1060
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Feel like you'd be one of those
collaborative directors, You'll

1061
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,560
be one of those like, almost
like create that family

1062
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:08,000
environment like Zack Snyder
did. 100%, yeah, 100%.

1063
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,280
You know, you.
For me, I just as much as I want

1064
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,800
to represent an idea, the
biggest satisfaction about

1065
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,080
finishing a movie is just seeing
everyone else's faces of

1066
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,120
accomplishment.
And I feel like that's more

1067
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,000
satisfaction than, you know,
getting to do this really hard

1068
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
stunt.
You know, as much as that's

1069
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,520
really fun and it's and you get
to say I like I did that.

1070
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,880
It's like you, you got to be a
part of a family.

1071
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,680
Yeah.
And then you get to move on to a

1072
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,720
different family.
Such a it's such a cool, it's

1073
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:41,560
such a cool place to be coming
from.

1074
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,000
It really is.
I think that it's, I think the

1075
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,240
director of the John Wick series
was originally a stunt, was

1076
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:52,720
originally a stuntman, right?
Yes, Sir Chesterhalsky.

1077
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,600
Yeah, that's right.
I heard him on Rogan before and

1078
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,680
I heard him talking about it
and, and, and he and he made

1079
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,040
that, you know, he made that
he's like, you know, being a

1080
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,440
stuntman made the transition so
easy because you kind of you,

1081
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,400
you know, you're in the nitty
Gritty's you're you're, you're

1082
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,280
in the you know, you're in the
dirt, you're in the roots.

1083
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,760
And like you kind of know, like
really, you know, what goes what

1084
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,240
what makes the magic on screen
based on based on that kind of

1085
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:18,920
stuff?
Have you worked?

1086
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,240
Have you worked with a green
screen before or modern?

1087
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,120
What kind?
What extent of modern technology

1088
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,000
have you worked with?
We've done some Green Street

1089
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,920
work before.
What's that like?

1090
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,600
I did a man from Toronto.
With Kevin Hart and Woody

1091
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,440
Harrelson.
Yeah, yeah.

1092
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,320
I love that one.
That was really laugh.

1093
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,280
Yeah.
It was fun.

1094
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,040
We, we do often we at the end of
the film, there's this, there's

1095
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,440
this aircraft sequence, right?
And so my my boss, Philip

1096
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,800
Silvera, who's who is who's
right now doing the new

1097
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:58,080
Daredevil series, quote.
He he put me in a blue suit and

1098
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,480
I had to stand behind a box and
move it as if the cargo, you

1099
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,400
know, was moving like out of the
air, right.

1100
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:07,880
So, you know, and then they
paint us out like in post.

1101
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,400
But, you know, at that point,
we're just puppeteers for for

1102
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,400
the set, right?
Yeah.

1103
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,280
If, if this needs to move this
way, we'll, we'll jerk it in a

1104
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,240
way.
And that you literally.

1105
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,360
Moving things around and they're
knocking you out of the picture.

1106
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,760
Yes, Sir.
Wow, crazy.

1107
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,480
So when things are flying, you
know, one of the things I'm

1108
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,240
thinking of.
Do you watch out Uncharted?

1109
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,040
Come on.
Nice.

1110
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Yeah, Yes.
Yeah.

1111
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,880
You know, you know what I'm
talking about, right?

1112
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,080
That initial plane sequence
where Tom Holland is like

1113
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,200
flying, you know, falling out of
the plane and then he's, you

1114
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,000
know, and he's hanging on to
that whole strand.

1115
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,560
How would that work?
Can you explain that to me or

1116
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,840
what would that be like?
Yeah, like you, you, you have

1117
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,600
your after, you know, ghost,
Ghost go through the motions of

1118
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,400
what the scene entails.
And our coordinator will go, we

1119
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,360
need this cargo to chip off of
this piece of pillar, right?

1120
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,160
And then it's gonna fall past
them.

1121
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,640
And then when it falls past
them, just let it go because

1122
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,520
we're clear of the actor at that
point.

1123
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,440
Yeah.
So you're having to dance with

1124
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,000
your actor.
So you're almost performing with

1125
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,880
your actor, which is actually
really cool, you know.

1126
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,600
And so you kind of say they, you
know, like, hey, man, like I'm,

1127
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,360
I'm going to do this.
Like it's not going to get close

1128
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,640
to you, You know, you kind of
create this relationship, but

1129
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:23,320
it's it's an instant, right?
Yeah, it's, it's so

1130
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,920
instantaneously then like, yeah,
yeah, got it, got it.

1131
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,520
And so it's cool, man.
Like you, you just get to meet

1132
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,520
people on a, on a, on just a
dime, man.

1133
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,680
You're just like, that was a
cool interaction.

1134
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,520
And then it turns out cool and
you're like, alright, cool, man.

1135
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,560
Like it was good working with
you.

1136
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,600
And then and then you go home
like, oh, I got to meet this

1137
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,600
guy.
But you know, it's at the end of

1138
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,960
the day, we're just, we're just,
we're just trying to get the job

1139
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,240
done and do it.
And then we can just kind of go

1140
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:48,280
home and laugh about it.
So.

1141
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,200
Yeah, you're being modest about
it, dude.

1142
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,800
I appreciate that though.
I think it's great.

1143
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,160
So, so there's so green screen
is green screen is good for, for

1144
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,600
heavy, heavier editing.
And you're not necessarily even

1145
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,200
in the scene, but you're doing
the behind the scenes work and

1146
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,320
actually getting that
relationship with the actor,

1147
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,800
actress, you know, presumably or
hopefully, right.

1148
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,720
And then and then do they ever
like remember particular some

1149
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,120
people like, hey, I enjoyed
working with them.

1150
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,280
I want to do that again.
Or does that happen?

1151
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Yeah, yeah, that's happened a
couple times.

1152
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,200
I'm trying to think of a time
has happened to me, but I'm so

1153
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,520
kind of checked out by a certain
point.

1154
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,640
Yeah, I know that certain actors
request certain coordinators to

1155
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,760
come in and run their and run
their movie.

1156
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,880
I know that that happens all the
time.

1157
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,520
So I know sudden actors want
specific double S for them

1158
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,040
because, you know, they have
that communication.

1159
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,160
Yeah, so.
Like a movie, you want to find a

1160
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,800
time in Hollywood.
You name it, you.

1161
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,680
Love that movie dude.
That's one of my favorite movies

1162
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,600
of all time.
Did you see them making?

1163
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,640
Yeah, it is.
Did you see them making a

1164
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,400
Netflix?
A second movie?

1165
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,520
It's being written by.
It's being written by Tarantino.

1166
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:01,240
I forgot who's directing it, but
it's going to be about it's it's

1167
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,760
featuring Brad Pitt and his his
adventures as a stuntman around

1168
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,360
LA.
Yeah, dude, it's really

1169
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,680
exciting.
It's really, really cool.

1170
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,480
I think that Tarantino was
planning on having it be his

1171
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,120
last movie, and I think he
changed his mind and degree just

1172
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,760
to write it and he wanted to
direct his own thing.

1173
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,880
But I'm really hyped about.
I'm really hyped about that,

1174
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,200
too.
That sounds like it's going to

1175
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,080
be a lot of fun.
Yeah.

1176
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,040
I mean, thanks for the insight.
You have to look that up and.

1177
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,720
How accurate, how accurate are
movies like that?

1178
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,000
That Ryan Gosling movie, The
Fallman.

1179
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,560
Do you watch that?
Yeah.

1180
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,000
How accurate is that to like,
Stuntman's life?

1181
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,080
Obviously it's a joke.
It's like, you know, it's like,

1182
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,680
whatever, but like.
It was directed by a stuntman.

1183
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,360
Yeah, it was.
Yeah.

1184
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,120
Dave.
Dave Leach.

1185
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,920
Yeah.
Is it stuntman?

1186
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,160
Yeah, stuntman turned director,
Martial artist, director.

1187
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,880
Oh, fan, fantastic martial arts
stuntman, director.

1188
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,560
You know, you had, you have, you
know, David Leach, I see this as

1189
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,640
the Holy Grail, right?
You have you have like David

1190
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Leach, Chad, Chad Estehausky and
Damon Karl, like those those

1191
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,480
three are just in my opinion,
during that time, they were just

1192
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,120
even still they're at they're at
the top of their game and

1193
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,520
they're all directors now.
And so again, just like Chad

1194
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,280
said, it's like they've all been
in the nitty gritty.

1195
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,080
So they know what it feels like
to run a set.

1196
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,440
They know what it feels like to
get things moving.

1197
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,680
And when you watch fall guy,
he's like, there's these like

1198
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,560
little like inside jokes that
only stop man would understand.

1199
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,600
So for us, it felt pretty
personalized to us to the

1200
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,200
general public.
It's my like, I don't get it,

1201
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,000
right?
But for us, for like, dude,

1202
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,560
yeah, like that fucking sucks.
What not?

1203
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:43,760
Happening.
It's an inside joke, dude.

1204
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,440
It's an inside joke for the
industry, dude.

1205
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,240
It's so cool.
It's so cool that they do that.

1206
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:53,160
Yeah, and one of the main double
S, Ben Jenkins, dude, he was

1207
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,960
Ryan Gosling's double.
If if you look at the stunts,

1208
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,360
you know, they're, they're all
pretty heavy hitting stunts,

1209
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,760
man.
Like, that's a stuntman's movie

1210
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,920
for sure.
You know, a lot of a lot of

1211
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,200
ground breaking things were done
there, right?

1212
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:12,600
You have, you have the car flip,
you have the helicopter jump

1213
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,040
that was done by a gentleman,
Troy Brown.

1214
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,960
You know, it's just like you,
you have some all around amazing

1215
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:25,160
stunt guys on that film and you
it's it's just a masterpiece.

1216
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,480
I, I think it's a masterpiece
because you're taking what we do

1217
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,480
for a living.
And some people say that it's a

1218
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,960
joke and, but I see it as a, as
a, as a masterpiece, you know?

1219
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,840
How you could, I mean, I, I when
you say take it as a joke, you

1220
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,600
talk about stunts or you're
talking about the movie itself.

1221
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,640
You know, you know stunts.
You know, because.

1222
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Yeah, I don't know.
People could.

1223
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,840
I don't know people could.
It's so physically, like it's so

1224
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,440
physically impressive.
You know what, what are, what

1225
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,200
are some of the crazier what,
what are some of the crazier

1226
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,040
stunts that you've done
throughout your career?

1227
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,880
Oh.
There were some of the most some

1228
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,280
of the most entertaining or fun
ones that you were like, whoa,

1229
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:11,080
and you just did it.
I got to for a movie called Nope

1230
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,760
by Jordan Peele.
Yeah, I got to, yeah.

1231
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,400
I got to hang from a helicopter
by my leg upside down.

1232
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,840
And so it was in Santa Clarita.
They, they tied me up, you know,

1233
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,440
by a helicopter.
I'm rigged up.

1234
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,240
I have a harness on.
I do all this thing.

1235
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,640
And you know there was a.
Heavy weight do you feel?

1236
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,760
Oh you IA 100%. 100% safe,
absolutely no concerns.

1237
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,520
You're like, this is just cool.
As soon as you leave room for

1238
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,160
concern, things, things can go
wrong.

1239
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,640
So, you know, you just, I've
never worked for this

1240
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,440
coordinator before.
And so, you know, I'm not going

1241
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,120
to, I'm not going to disrespect
him by saying he, he doesn't

1242
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,520
know what he's doing.
So I feel like when you're hired

1243
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,040
by certain guys, of course you
do your research, you know, and

1244
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,600
you, you figure out like what
they've done.

1245
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,760
But I feel like you have to
wholeheartedly trust, trust your

1246
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,880
trust your boss.
I don't want to psych myself out

1247
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,040
by saying, you know, is this
tied, right?

1248
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,920
Granted, you check the work, you
know, like when they rig you up,

1249
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,680
you say, hey, you like, is this,
is this where it's supposed to

1250
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,400
be?
And they say, yeah, it's there's

1251
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,600
no harm in saying that because,
you know, accidents happen.

1252
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,080
But when you get in your head
and saying like, oh, it's

1253
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,960
something bad's going to happen,
then it's it's really hard to

1254
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,480
perform at that point.
Now you're just thinking like,

1255
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:22,800
is something wrong going to
happen?

1256
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,960
You should read there's a great
book called chatter.

1257
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,280
I think it's by Ethan Cross.
I believe his name is not.

1258
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,000
But if you just Google chatter,
it'll pop up and it talks all

1259
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,960
about it's all about that voice
in your head and, and, and where

1260
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,800
it comes from and ways to with
direct.

1261
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,840
I don't want to say control it
directed right?

1262
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,760
And, and, you know, and, and,
and I feel like a big part of

1263
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:53,600
that is directly, I feel that
directly impacts performance,

1264
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,000
performance activities.
You know, is, I mean, I know

1265
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,240
that from my own experience
because I, I happen to be a

1266
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,880
massively in my head, you know,
and whether it's, you know,

1267
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,560
basketball tryouts in high
school or whether it's open mics

1268
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,400
with a guitar, these, you know,
you know, today, yesterday,

1269
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,280
whatever it is, you know, like
I'm always in my head about,

1270
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,600
about that.
And like, I have so much

1271
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,000
chatter.
And like you said, the only

1272
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,880
time, you know, the only time I
ever really feel like I'm, I'm

1273
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,200
performing well is when I find a
way to turn it off.

1274
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,640
And it's just a really, it's a
challenging thing to do.

1275
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,280
Like, I don't understand.
Like you're saying, oh, yeah,

1276
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,600
you can't do that because it
gets in the way.

1277
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,840
But like, it's not something
that's simple to do.

1278
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,960
It's not like, oh, yeah, it's
just a voice that's talking.

1279
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,040
You're like, oh, shut up.
OK, fine.

1280
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:32,880
Bye.
You know.

1281
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,520
Yeah.
What do you?

1282
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,840
Is that what meditation helps?
I'd say so, yeah.

1283
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,400
I think you know I.
Mean.

1284
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,640
Maybe you feel this or you will
become to feels like when you do

1285
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,440
jiu jitsu, right?
It's more of a feeling, right?

1286
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,640
You have to feel where the geese
at.

1287
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:48,960
You have to feel where their
weight's AT.

1288
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,800
And as soon as you start
thinking, you know, man, did I

1289
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,560
did, I put the chicken in the
pot today.

1290
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,480
It's like you're already getting
ducked out.

1291
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,880
You know what I mean?
It's like it's basically playing

1292
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,960
chess and being in again,
intuitive with what's happening.

1293
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,320
And so I feel like, you know,
martial arts is such a great way

1294
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,000
to just kind of ground yourself.
Oh yeah, That's one of the

1295
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,520
things I love about it, dude.
One thing I love about it is

1296
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,360
that my life is so chaotic, and
for that hour, nothing exists

1297
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,920
except for what I'm doing right
now, you know?

1298
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,920
Like, nothing exists except for
the fact that this guy has my

1299
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,800
healer right now and I'm in big
trouble, you know?

1300
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,520
Stay away from my heels please
dude.

1301
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,760
No room for that, brother.
There's no room, right?

1302
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,600
Because it can be devastating.
You get on that.

1303
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,280
I didn't really.
I do, I do.

1304
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,760
The rule is tap fast, tap quick,
you know, tap often, tap fast,

1305
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,840
tap often.
You know, like you don't, you

1306
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,440
don't be a hero.
It's not worth it.

1307
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,360
But I'll do is I'll tap and then
I'll get myself back.

1308
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,440
I'll have them walk me back
through exactly what position I

1309
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,560
was in, where I went wrong and
what I could do to get out of

1310
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,120
that next time if I could, you
know, or I try to, you know, but

1311
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,480
and then you go again and you're
like, OK, now I remember.

1312
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,760
Don't stick my heel out.
Keep my elbows tucked a little

1313
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,240
bit, you know, keep my chin down
so that I can't get submitted.

1314
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,400
And like, like you don't think
about these things until they

1315
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,120
become, until they become, I
guess, muscle memory, you know,

1316
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,840
just second nature, which I'm
sure which I guess is what's

1317
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,640
happening to you when you say,
you know, they call action and

1318
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,360
then you don't even like
remember what happens.

1319
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:21,560
You don't even have to think
about it.

1320
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,560
That's all muscle memory right
at that point.

1321
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,680
Yep, exactly right, but I will
say that's got me in in trouble

1322
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,440
sometimes too.
How so?

1323
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,400
You know, again, Army the dead,
you know, first, you know, first

1324
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,240
film, like first the movie run.
And I wasn't paying attention.

1325
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:45,120
Like this is this is when I was
so in tune with just doing the

1326
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,320
stunt that I wasn't in tune with
the set, right.

1327
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,760
You know, the the set changes so
fast.

1328
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,880
And if you're not looking,
you're you're already Yeah.

1329
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,400
So, you know, they move the
camera on me, right?

1330
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,200
And so I had a specific route
and I turn again, like action.

1331
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,440
And I'm like, I'm running, I'm
doing these jumps and I jump and

1332
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,240
I'm like, oh shit, where's the
camera, right.

1333
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,200
Because, you know, I know how to
pose in the air.

1334
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,480
And I'm like, where's the
camera?

1335
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,320
And I land and my boss is right
in front of me.

1336
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,960
He I land right in front of me.
He goes, Tony, do you want to be

1337
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,120
in the movie?
Oh, yeah.

1338
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,600
I was like, yeah, I do.
I'm, I'm like naive.

1339
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,080
I'm like, what do you mean?
Yeah, I do.

1340
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,520
He goes, well, camera's over
there.

1341
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,480
I look behind me and I'm like, I
put my head down.

1342
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,080
I shake my head.
And.

1343
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,720
He just like, ah, Tony, you
know, is.

1344
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,400
That is that a big deal or
you're just like, oh, that's

1345
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,840
stupid.
You know, yes and no.

1346
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,040
I take it very personally,
right?

1347
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,080
Because, you know, I'm out here
just trying to chase perfection.

1348
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,880
Yeah, a lot of us are, right.
And so when your boss is saying

1349
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:55,840
like, is your head is your head
the dating kid or no, you're

1350
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,000
almost like you, you not only
are you letting him down, but

1351
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,400
it's like the whole production
because what if I was in frame

1352
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,120
and that was like a cool shot,
you know, like I'm jumping in

1353
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,080
the air, then someone like goes
right underneath me.

1354
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,200
Like, you know, like we're
creating something.

1355
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,200
And so you're kind of missing an
opportunity to create something

1356
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,400
really freaking dope, Right?
Yeah, Yeah.

1357
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,200
And it's, it's just one piece of
the puzzle that might have been

1358
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,760
missed.
Or maybe it, it wouldn't have

1359
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,520
mattered at all if I was in
frame or not.

1360
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,920
But again, we're just, we're
just trying to chase this.

1361
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,640
This thing did.
You do you take, do you take

1362
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:32,200
acting lessons as a stuntman?
Like how do you know to get the

1363
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,200
camera?
Like how do you know to get the

1364
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,840
camera?
Like get what angle or what

1365
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,760
would look cool?
Or because I know the actors

1366
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:43,040
like particular in particular,
you know, there's acting to and

1367
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,560
away from the camera.
You know, is there stunts away

1368
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,360
into, you know, to and away from
the camera.

1369
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,000
Yeah, yeah.
And how and and who trains you

1370
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,400
that that's the coordinator on
set.

1371
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,240
Again, it's it's not stunts.
Stunts schools don't work.

1372
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,920
So you almost have to do your
diligence before that.

1373
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,920
So like if we're trying to
punch.

1374
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,840
For the first time and never
have looked at a camera before.

1375
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,920
Oh yeah, that's, that'd be like
showing up in school without

1376
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,720
your backpack.
It's like, like, you know what I

1377
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,920
mean?
It's like especially like when

1378
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,080
you're dealing with with with
actors, you know, you don't want

1379
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,880
to punch too close to the face,
but you also want to make sure

1380
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,279
that it sells for camera.
So you have to know the angle.

1381
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,359
But then actor, they're
unpredictable sometimes.

1382
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,080
Sometimes they'll forget the
choreo, so they might move their

1383
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,240
face in the line of that punch.
And again, like a millisecond,

1384
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,200
you have to change your body in
a certain direction so it at

1385
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,359
least sells for camera.
Yeah, right.

1386
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:43,560
So it's like, you know, you you
have to learn how to adapt on

1387
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,680
the fly.
And what comes with that is

1388
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,520
studying your film, but putting
your phone up right and punching

1389
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,319
at the screen and, and seeing
what what body articulation

1390
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,920
works and, and and just finding
different.

1391
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:03,120
How would you do that?
I used to do it every single day

1392
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,080
right but now.
But now that you know, things

1393
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,600
are.
Of your experience.

1394
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Yeah, my priorities come to a
different place now.

1395
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,160
It's what am I capturing with
the camera.

1396
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,120
You know, how do I want my
performer to do XY and Z?

1397
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,399
But if you're a young performer
coming in, you should be doing,

1398
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,439
you should be looking at
yourself every single day in in

1399
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,439
front of a mirror or even on
your phone, or you just be

1400
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,240
shooting yourself doing
different kinds of movements.

1401
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,080
At the end of the day, it's just
learning how your body moves in

1402
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,520
front of the camera at all times
because that's that's what.

1403
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,040
You're you're very yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1404
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:45,520
So you're, you're familiar with
as you make a motion, what the

1405
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,520
motion looks like on the
outside.

1406
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,960
Yes, Sir.
That's really cool.

1407
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,720
Yeah, that's really, really
cool.

1408
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,320
I think about that.
I think about that a lot.

1409
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,160
I think about how little I'm
aware of how I look while I'm

1410
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,720
doing things.
And like, you know, how not

1411
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,200
aware I am, you know, walking
the street or your hair's

1412
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,400
popping up or, you know, you
trip on something or you going

1413
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,560
for a jog and what your form
looks like, you know, all these

1414
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,920
kind of things.
Like I always think I it's so

1415
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,640
hard, like, yo, because we're so
used to just our just receiving

1416
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,480
input that we're not used to
thinking about what out what

1417
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,800
output we're creating, right?
You know, I was, I was telling

1418
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,880
my brother-in-law yesterday that
you and I were going to talk.

1419
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,840
You came over to hang out a
little bit and we pulled up your

1420
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,440
IMDb and you saw that you, you,
you did the coordination for a

1421
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:33,880
young boy video and he got all
hyped, hyped about that.

1422
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,240
I don't know what that meant.
I don't know what that meant,

1423
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,120
but you know, I don't know who
young boy is, but what is it?

1424
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:41,960
What was it?
So was this the first time

1425
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,240
coordinating, coordinating a
fight, You know, I guess a fight

1426
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,160
scene or a sun scene?
I got to go back, I don't

1427
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,320
remember.
How long ago was that?

1428
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,680
Beats me, brother.
I'm sorry.

1429
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,240
I don't know.
Yeah.

1430
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,600
Stick out of you.
It's like a memorable like.

1431
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,720
You know, for in order to make
room for other things, you kind

1432
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,520
of kind of discard it.
That's so.

1433
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:07,920
Interesting.
So you don't even think you

1434
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,280
remember a lot of the work that
you do.

1435
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,640
I mean, yes and no.
Like yeah, yes and no.

1436
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,480
I just I just by the way it.
Makes sense to me.

1437
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:20,840
I, I, I went to, I, you know, I,
I, I met someone that listened

1438
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:25,640
to my, that listened to the
podcast religiously and, you

1439
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,880
know, and we were talking and
it's so nice to meet you, so

1440
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,880
nice to meet you.
And then she like makes a joke

1441
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,360
to me that I didn't recognize.
Like it sounded familiar, but

1442
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,520
like, I didn't know where, like
what she was saying, right?

1443
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,560
I was like, huh, I was like,
what's that from?

1444
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,080
So that's your, that's your
podcast last week.

1445
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,240
You made that joke last week and
I'm like, I'm shaking out of

1446
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,280
here.
I was like, it's so funny, You

1447
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,800
know, I was like, I never dreamt
in a million years that I'd have

1448
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,200
a conversation, a 2 hour, hour
and a half conversation that I

1449
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,360
just didn't that, that I didn't
remember what I was talking

1450
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,880
about, you know, So I guess I,
I, I, I, I, I, I guess I hear

1451
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,640
where you're coming from, man,
it's crazy.

1452
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,960
What's what So, so what's coming
up now?

1453
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,720
So you think so you mentioned
you want to stop at 3536.

1454
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,040
You got, you got, you're 31.
You you're taking a little bit

1455
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:16,520
of time off now, you said.
Yeah, I mean, right now when

1456
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,840
when there's work, I'll go, I'll
go to where the work.

1457
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,280
Yeah.
I've been very grateful to to

1458
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,240
create a safe place where, oh,
we need Tony because this, this

1459
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,960
and this.
And I've had a lot of great

1460
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,640
friends and and mentors who have
put me in positions to just kind

1461
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,600
of go where I need to go and,
and life.

1462
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,000
So you jobs are kind of, so your
jobs would be like

1463
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,840
hypothetically you'd get a call,
I don't know, in a week and

1464
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:41,840
you'd be like, hey, can you
come?

1465
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,800
Can you come to set for a month
and you just hop up on, hop to

1466
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,680
Arizona, go there for a month
and then come back?

1467
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,880
That's right.
So that's right, Sir.

1468
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,960
Yeah.
So it happens, happens all the

1469
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:58,280
time, You know, like I just.
I just got called to go to do

1470
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,840
something in Pittsburgh and I
had to respectfully decline it.

1471
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,600
It wasn't because it was last
minute.

1472
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,840
It's just, it's just because,
you know, I had other other

1473
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,000
things happening.
But it happens so fast, right?

1474
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,720
You know?
So which is why it's very

1475
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,520
important to just kind of stay
healthy and always be on your

1476
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,760
toes and stay training because
you don't know what it's going

1477
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,680
to be, you know what I mean?
Are you afraid that missing out

1478
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,600
on jobs will affect will affect
your future or you don't think

1479
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,000
like that?
You used to be afraid of that.

1480
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:31,320
Yeah, I used to.
I think, you know, that's a good

1481
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,440
question because you know,
again, I just been very

1482
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:37,360
fortunate with, with my
colleagues and team mates and I

1483
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,240
feel like if it's meant to
happen, it's going to happen,

1484
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,720
you know, like I used to.
I know once I used this word

1485
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,440
loosely, like force
opportunities, you know, and I

1486
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:50,800
still do, but it's not to the
degree it was like I'm dependent

1487
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,000
on this opportunity.
Yeah.

1488
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,080
It's like I will train and I
will share my work in in

1489
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,080
private.
And, you know, if it gets a

1490
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,360
bite, great.
If it doesn't, then maybe I just

1491
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,280
wasn't meant for that job.
But to kind of beat yourself up

1492
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:06,680
on, man, I missed this
opportunity.

1493
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,240
Like I'll never get a call
again.

1494
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,640
It's like, listen, brother,
you've been in the business for

1495
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,680
almost 13 years now.
Like it's going to be OK.

1496
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,800
Yeah, it's really cool.
I feel like everybody, yeah,

1497
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:21,200
everybody needs to eat, you
know, So it's at the end of the

1498
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,800
day, it's it's going to happen
regardless if it's your time

1499
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,440
grade, If it's not make someone
else's, you know, you know,

1500
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,920
career.
Yeah, yeah, that's OK.

1501
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:33,000
That's really, man, You have a
lot of wisdom in your

1502
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,040
perspective, man.
Seriously, it's really cool.

1503
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:37,320
It's really cool.
It feels like it's beyond your

1504
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:37,920
years.
Yeah.

1505
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,560
It's a shame to say because
you'd hope that 30 year olds

1506
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,440
would be or 31 year olds would
be wise, you know, in general.

1507
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,760
But it feels like, you know, I
think we live in a world of

1508
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,240
delayed adolescence a lot of
times.

1509
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,680
And I think that's because of
delayed responsibility and more

1510
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,160
convenience.
And, you know, again, I think

1511
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,280
discipline and responsibility
kind of go hand in hand.

1512
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,520
But you know, it's really
refreshing to it's really

1513
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,520
refreshing to kind of see or
hear and talk to you about, you

1514
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,560
know, and I kind of hear these
very grounded perspectives

1515
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,160
because I think that they don't
come again.

1516
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,360
You're you're the way that
you're speaking isn't just human

1517
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,320
nature, right?
Human nature is kind of selfish,

1518
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,920
kind of reflexive, kind of.
I need to, I need to preserve

1519
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,320
myself and take as much of the
cake as I, you know, as I could

1520
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:26,840
possibly get, you know, and you
know, and kind of and by

1521
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,600
expending the least amount of
effort and energy.

1522
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,360
And it's really, really cool
that you've been, you've been

1523
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,440
kind of saying the total
opposite, you know, and I and I,

1524
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:36,160
you know, it really means a lot.
I really, I really appreciate

1525
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:41,040
that dude.
What so you have so so do you.

1526
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,720
So I could imagine actually that
low, but that lower budget kind

1527
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:49,360
of more have fun with it.
Sets are probably more enjoyable

1528
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,400
for, you know, for yourself
right than something big and

1529
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,400
huge and and expensive and, you
know, tight and.

1530
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,200
Yeah, I mean, again, it comes,
it comes with its different

1531
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,880
poisons, right?
Like, you know, how do I say

1532
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,120
when you're with a smaller
budget film, right?

1533
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:16,720
You're kind of the guy, right?
So I did a lower budget SAG film

1534
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,520
called.
I actually forgot what it was

1535
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,280
called.
It's called a professor, right?

1536
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:22,920
What was that?
What?

1537
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:29,920
Was that about?
It's about this, it's about this

1538
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,000
guy who is somewhat delusional
of his life, right?

1539
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,560
So he's kind of walking through
life, pit pity, parting himself

1540
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:44,720
and kind of going through life
in a way that's just weird,

1541
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:50,120
awkward and unfulfilling, right.
And through the course of this,

1542
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,320
of the short film, he actually
does something for himself for

1543
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,320
once.
It sticks up for himself.

1544
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,560
And the way that it was, you
know, directed the color

1545
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,800
changed, you know, it's like you
go from this gloomy color in the

1546
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,360
beginning to this bright,
vibrant yellow color.

1547
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,400
And so, you know, it's like a
change of events in in himself.

1548
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,960
And I got the opportunity to
actually direct that.

1549
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,840
And, you know, the guys like,
hey, like, do it.

1550
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,440
Like do whatever you want.
Like here's a script, do

1551
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:20,480
whatever you want.
And so I took the opportunity.

1552
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:23,760
I just kind of went off and it
was during a stage in my life

1553
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,840
where it's like, as I'm
learning, I'm going like, I like

1554
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,480
when I do this.
I like when I move the camera a

1555
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:34,400
certain way or I like how, you
know, I'm playing with this

1556
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,600
little piece of emotion, right?
And so those, those smaller

1557
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,360
budget films allows me the
opportunity to to to re innovate

1558
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:49,480
and kind of go off script right
as much with the bigger stuff

1559
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:56,040
like I got to go to Canada to to
to help coordinate the boys

1560
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,440
under under John Koyama and cool
really.

1561
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:00,720
And Matt Righetti.
Yeah.

1562
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,520
And Vancouver, a little Toronto.
Yes, Toronto, cool.

1563
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,480
Yeah.
And that was cool.

1564
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:11,000
In Vancouver, by the way, I
think Vancouver is a little bit

1565
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,400
of a cooler city than Toronto
is.

1566
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,640
So I heard, so I heard.
I still have yet to go to the

1567
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,280
Cubs instead of Vancouver.
I have a lot of great stunt guys

1568
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:20,360
out there who are.
Friends.

1569
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,040
Oh yeah, you should go.
Dude, It's a lot of fun.

1570
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,320
Even if you go to Seattle and
take a little trip up there,

1571
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,920
dude, it's a lot of fun.
It's really cool.

1572
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:31,680
Well, if I put the law of
attraction into effect, it will

1573
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,520
happen fairly soon.
I just got to.

1574
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,000
Keep me in the loop.
Yeah, I mean, of course I will,

1575
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,320
but but yeah, yeah.
So depends on big budget, small

1576
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,560
budget, I want to tackle
whatever beast was given to me.

1577
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,160
So at the end of the day, I'm
going to learn something that I

1578
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,600
haven't done before.
And I think that's that's the

1579
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,160
nature of the beast.
You know I.

1580
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,200
I'm with you.
I, I, I, one thing I've noticed,

1581
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:01,480
I think a bit a big thing, a big
theme that's happened in my life

1582
01:19:01,480 --> 01:19:07,320
is that I have not really fit
into like big, Big Lots of parts

1583
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,680
systems, you know, like, you
know, you could call it

1584
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,720
bureaucracies or corporate or
whatever.

1585
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,280
Like, you know, like I, I don't
fit into like big systems.

1586
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,080
I operate much better in like
smaller, more intimate, wear a

1587
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,600
lot of hats, you know, mate,
whatever you make, make it

1588
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,120
happen yourself kind of
environments.

1589
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:25,640
And I used to think that was
like a massive flaw by myself.

1590
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,640
And I used to beat myself up
about it because like I could

1591
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,000
never get like a corporate job
working for a bank or working

1592
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,520
for a accounting firm or a law
firm or something like that, you

1593
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,880
know, or, or even in terms of
like the podcast world, right?

1594
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,760
Like, you know, I'm watching
like, you know, these podcasts,

1595
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,560
I'm like, you know, they have,
like, you know, these huge teams

1596
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,720
and the way that they're
overproduced and, you know, they

1597
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,200
put all these keywords into
their, into, you know, into

1598
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:46,920
their captions and their names
and the episodes.

1599
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,560
And like, and like they, they,
they turn them into like

1600
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,600
corporatized podcasts, you know,
or these like enormous

1601
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,160
productions.
And I just love the grassroots.

1602
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,920
I just love the authenticity
that comes from just like

1603
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,640
reaching out to someone.
Hey, let's get on, let's do

1604
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:01,560
this.
Yeah, let's do this.

1605
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,720
You have a real conversation
with talented people with great

1606
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,000
experience.
And you just.

1607
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:10,000
And it grows by itself because
you have that space to make it

1608
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,240
grow, as opposed to trying to
fit yourself into someone else's

1609
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,040
system.
You know, and so, so when you,

1610
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,400
when you describe it like that,
you know, I think of, I think of

1611
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,160
my a lot, a lot of those, you
know, scenarios in my life in

1612
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,560
the same exact way.
The school I teach at barely

1613
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,560
gave me a curriculum.
They're like, you're an English

1614
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,960
teacher, you know, good luck,
have fun, you know, and like,

1615
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,680
you know, the teacher will check
in principal check in, like what

1616
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,240
are you guys working on?
I'll tell him what I'm working

1617
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,040
on.
And you know, sometimes it's

1618
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,720
better than others.
Sometimes he's happier than

1619
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,080
other times, but you know, if I
got, if I, if I taught in a

1620
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,160
school where they'd like, you
have to read The Great Gatsby,

1621
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,360
you know, from this, this to
this week and that week to that

1622
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:47,960
week, and then you have a book
assignment that week to that

1623
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,200
week.
I'm like, I don't want to teach.

1624
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,840
This is crap.
You know, it's not crap, but it

1625
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,160
doesn't work for me.
You know, I take it back.

1626
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,440
I don't mean to say like
negative like that, but it

1627
01:20:56,440 --> 01:20:59,880
doesn't work for me.
So I can kind of I I totally

1628
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,520
understand where you're coming
from in terms of having those

1629
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,640
lower, but like having a little
bit more that creative freedom,

1630
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,240
even though it might be lower
budget or not as glamorous, I

1631
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,160
guess, or glitzy, right?
Really cool, man.

1632
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,760
I hope, I hope, I hope you start
directing.

1633
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,400
I hope you keep acting.
I hope you, I hope you keep on

1634
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,040
doing all this great stuff, man,
because hearing about all this

1635
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,160
is really, really exciting and
it's really, really cool.

1636
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,400
And I think that I think that I,
I learned a ton.

1637
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,520
I'm sure the audience is, you
know, is gonna learn a ton from

1638
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,080
this episode.
It's really cool and bring a

1639
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,400
whole new appreciation to the
whole art of, of film, you know,

1640
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,280
Wow.
That's good gratitude.

1641
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,560
Thank you so much.
Of course, Andrew, thank you so

1642
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,560
much for coming on.
I really appreciate the time and

1643
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:41,720
I look forward to being in
touch.

1644
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,880
Man.
I want to hear, I want to hear

1645
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,280
how you think how things are
going on.

1646
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:45,680
And I want to see what you're
working on.

1647
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,320
And I want to hear, you know,
just see what's what's going on

1648
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:51,960
because I think this is this is
really, really cool.

1649
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,920
And I'm sure you're going to
accomplish incredible,

1650
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,520
incredible things that you
haven't already.

1651
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,880
But you have a whole lifetime
ahead of you.

1652
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,920
So dude, thank you so much for
coming on and keep it up man.

1653
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,360
Dang brother, you make me blush.
Oh, sorry about that dude, I

1654
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,920
don't mean to do that.
Again, you know, thank you so

1655
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:09,880
much.
Thank.

1656
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:10,760
You so much, Sir.
All right.

1657
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:11,400
Bye everyone.