Episode 98: Shlomo Slatus

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together.

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So depending what the the tone
of the conversation I want to

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be, I'll start off the podcast
with either an introduction or

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just start talking like this
like myself.

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So dude, tell me about yourself,
another bit about yourself, and

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then I'll kind of dive and we'll
dive into it.

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Where to start?
Where to start?

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What's your name?
Where you're from.

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My name is Shalamie Slatus from
Savannah, GA.

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Oh, I'm sorry.
I want to clarify, sorry real

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quickly that I'm happy to
discuss a lot of Jewish topics,

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but I want to clarify when we'll
talk about them, not just to

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refer to them in the Hebrew
Jewish term, but he was

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expressed whole concepts
possible, yes.

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So from Savannah, GA.
I'm Savannah, GA, born and

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raised there.
My father's the rabbi there

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since I'm a baby.
Yeah, I'm 44 years old.

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You're in school.
Went back to school.

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Which is awesome by the way.
Where do you want to start now?

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I don't know backwards.
I don't know wherever you want.

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Why don't you tell?
Why don't you tell me about why

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you, why you went back to
school?

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It was it, was it a hard choice?
Because I know that it seems a

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lot more daunting to me now that
I'm almost 30 to decide to go

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back to school, even for a
advanced degree.

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You know, I just feel like, when
am I going to do it?

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How am I going to have the time?
What's, what's going, you know?

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First of all, you there's time.
It's a couple hours.

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It's a couple hours.
A week.

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Yeah, I mean, if I did a double
program which is up finishing in

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18 months, suddenly I should
have taken three years.

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So which means I just have a
double load.

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So it's instead of like 2 hours
of classes a week or three, it's

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6-7 hours a week.
Of classes that you're that

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you're, that you're in zoom and
in in the class.

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For yeah, and then papers and
whatever you know.

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How's the education?
It's good.

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Yeah, I mean, Yeshiva
University, Wurzweiler, it's

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great.
It's a little bit woke.

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Be honest, really.
I mean social work.

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I went for social work.
So the reason I went back to.

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Social work, I've heard it's a
very woke industry it.

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Is like, that's, that's why
it's, I challenged one of my

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teachers one time and I said
like, you're not making

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therapists, you're making
activists, you know, like

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that's, that's what I felt like
everything was about.

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What were they doing?
What were they doing to?

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It was like cultural diversity
and racism and cultural

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sensitivity, which, which is
important in therapy.

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Like you have to know who you're
talking to.

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If you're talking to a black
person from from the hood, you

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have to understand where he's
coming from, what his life is

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like, how it's totally different
than your life.

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And to be able to relate on
that.

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Yeah, I think you could.
I think you could.

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But sitting there for 5-6 hours
going through how terrible the

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United States is and how racist
they were, it's just

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systemically racist.
And we're all, if you think

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about it, a little bit racist in
our heart.

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You know, it's and that's, I
remember I heard like a comedian

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one time.
It was like, racism is like

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hunger.
Like sometimes you're hungry,

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but not right now.
I could have a cheeseburger.

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Cuts you off in traffic, all of
a sudden you're hungry.

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So.
It's one of those things, like I

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have nothing against any other
race or culture or anything, but

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you know, growing up in in rural
Georgia, like black people did

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not especially if you went on
the wrong side of town to MLK

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Blvd.
It was like you had you needed a

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police escort to get out of
there.

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Really.
So in Savannah, in Savannah,

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downtown Savannah.
How far was that from where you

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were growing up?
15 minutes.

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By walking or driving.
Driving.

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It's pretty far removed in terms
of like I.

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Was like Baltimore's like that
also.

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Yeah, great bring for Rockaways
like that.

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You know.
Like, you go for a after beach

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9th, you go to beach 11th, Yes,
You're in the hood, yeah.

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So Manhattan is like that, I
mean, depending on different

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parts of it, yeah.
But how I view it is like it's,

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it's, I don't, it's not that I
don't like black people at all.

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It's, and I don't know what
we're talking about racism, but

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like that's.
OK, we can talk about it because

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it's hard to do social work I.
Think I know the best people I

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know are black people like my my
father shul.

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There's three black families who
are Maguire.

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They converted.
That's cool, really.

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And they are like, they're the
best.

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They're the best people I know.
Really.

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They're better than anyone who
is from, from from birth white.

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They're so sincere.
They're sort of genuine.

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They'll do anything for anyone.
Do you think because it takes,

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it takes so much authentic
enthusiasm and passion and love

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for it that you wouldn't be
converting otherwise?

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Like you're making a serious
commitment if you're black and

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you're and you're and you're
joining a like a typically

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stereotypically, especially in
America, enormously white

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community because even if
they're not white to Arabic, you

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know they're not I.
I would think that, but but like

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one of the guys, he's he was a,
he's an ex Marine.

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Yeah, actually he doesn't like
that.

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You're never an ex Marine.
You're, you're always a Marine.

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He was a Marine.
Yeah, so he's a Marine like he

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was.
Finished his service. 80s he

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went into Granada like that,
those Marines.

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His wife was the one who wanted
to be McGuire.

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He had zero interest.
And he went along for the ride.

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Not only did he go along for the
ride, but he's like Frommer than

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she is really.
Once he started learning Torah,

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once he started like go to
classes and everything.

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Like he loves it.
He loves it.

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It's really interesting.
And so that's, I mean, it's not,

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it has nothing to do with the
color of the skin.

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I think it's cultural.
It's just it's culture and the

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code.
The black culture is no fathers,

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you know, they grow up on the
streets.

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Education isn't important to
them.

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It's like kill or be killed that
that's the mentality there.

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And honestly if and so it's not
about their skin color, it's

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just if they would be in a
different if they would.

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Be.
Taken out of the hood and put

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somewhere else, they'd be the
best people in the world.

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So, and I honestly, if you think
about it like I've thought about

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this, it comes from Noah, right?
Noah had shame.

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Khaman Yothas, right?
His three sons.

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Kum is the father of black
people.

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His curse was that his skin
turned black, right?

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That's a rash, he says.
And if you look at what Kum did,

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what did Kum do?
He had no Busha.

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He had no shame and he had no
respect for his father.

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Right.
In the incident where Nah was,

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yeah.
And then there's different

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extensions, different.
There's different

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interpretations as to what it
meant that he.

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He may have castrated.
Him castrated, he may have.

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But like the simple
understanding is that hum saw.

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His father naked.
Father naked, which is not.

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And not only like shame in Yufus
right?

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Being the father of all Greece
and Rome and and.

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Yufus is derived from the word
yuf.

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Yuf, right?
Literally from beautiful.

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Yeah, so become his response was
like oh shit dog look how stupid

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right and he's like he went out
and got them to look so those

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two things aren't like almost
ingrained in his DNA.

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These kids have no fathers
They're it's a father issue,

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right?
They have 0 respect for their

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father either because they're
locked up or they're.

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You know, statistics is in
school, like when you like, when

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you learn about these community
about about about minority

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communities and stuff like that,
do you learn about statistics as

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to, you know, whole families and
complete families, stuff like

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that?
Yeah.

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It's crazy.
It's crazy, like they they try

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to what are the what are the?
Communities are like that.

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None.
None.

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Asians are so family oriented
Indians.

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Hispanic or very?
Hispanics are so family oriented

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that 4 generations living
together come.

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They have no fathers.
They're all raised by their

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Mamas, right?
And that's why a kid is called a

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babe.
Like it the mother's called a

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baby his baby Mama.
It's not even a, it's not even a

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wife.
They're all like so many of them

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are born out of wedlock and
that's it.

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If they could just get those two
things together, have a little

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bit of shame, right?
They're all like, yo-yo, they

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weren't like, that's why they
make a, they make $1000.

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It's in their grill and their
teeth and they get a chain,

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right, and they get spinning
wheels on their cars.

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It's a lack of Busha.
It's a lack of shame and coupled

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with the fact that they don't
have fathers.

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Like you don't think that they
could be overcompensating for

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coming from, you know, a modest
or poor background that that you

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overcompensate and the second
you get money, you just kind of

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lose.
Like you like I, I know that for

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example, like I'm never
responsible.

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I'm never responsible by tax
returns, right?

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Like I'm never responsible like
every every year when I get my

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tax returns and like some years
is more than others, but like

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it's, it rarely is spent
responsible when I get an

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immediate deposit of cash.
I I have like like so you might

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urge to be responsible you.
Might spend it irresponsibly,

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but are you?
Are you spending it in a

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braggadocious way?
Right.

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Are you bragging?
Depends what everyone to see.

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That's shame.
I I don't want to admit that I

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do, but this I'm sure I
certainly do.

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We all do, you know, we all
wear, we all, we all wear a

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watch that that that that that
costs more than within any watch

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needs to cost and we all drive
cars that cost more than cars

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need to drop cost and OK.
But you know, and like, you

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don't see that there's a
different level like.

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But I I do by the way, I'm not.
By the way, yes, I just think, I

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just think towns and these
Jewish people were driving

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around like right when they made
their deal.

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Credit card debt.
They have a Bentley now.

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They have like the newest Rolex
or whatever it is, Frank Mueller

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watch and Gucci and everything.
Yeah, I think that's that's also

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it's it's a it's I, I call that,
I say you're Schwatzer rich.

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Like you, you make some money
and like you display it for

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everyone.
It's a lack of sneeze.

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That's.
Why, by the way, when everyone,

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all these rabbis who are like
saying goat sneeze sneeze TS

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your wife was her thing.
Above her elbow, below the elbow

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in the middle of the elbow, knee
up.

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Above the knee, lower and like
they're and meanwhile half of

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these guys who are saying this
live in these crazy mansions.

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Dr. these crazy girls.
The terrace is Mahatsney Lechas.

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Can you?
Say that it means that you

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should walk with God, with
sneas, with modesty, which means

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don't brag, don't show off
everything that you have.

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And it goes for women and it
also goes for men.

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And it's financial.
And it's also bodily

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hypocritical that like, these
yeshivas are taking all this

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money from the biggest like lack
of sneeze, lack of modesty,

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people who have the they show
off the most.

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It's almost like it's the
opposite.

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By the way, it's also, it's
also, it's funny, I don't know,

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I mean, you know, part of I have
this experience all the time and

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I actually have a back and forth
fight about it with myself

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inside.
But there's a concept in Judaism

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called miser and you give 10% of
your, of your income to, to

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charity.
And you know, especially this

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particular times, those
campaigns going around where you

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know, like my Chabad that I went
to camp in Binghamton was

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incredible.
They, they changed so many

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people's lives.
They were such as they are they,

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they, they are an overwhelming
source of inspiration, good

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values, grounded people.
And they serve as like, like the

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amount of people that impact
relative to how many people they

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have on step, excuse me, how
many people have on staff there

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is monumental.
And you know, so I get, I give a

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donation and, you know, and
there's always that little check

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box mark, you know, do this
anonymously or not, you know,

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like you always have like a
little like, you know, conflict

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inside, like, you know, do I do
I market anonymous And like, no

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one knows that like I gave 34500
dollars, 1000 dollars, $1500,

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whatever it is.
Or do you, you know, do you let

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people see that that's what
you're giving, you know, and,

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and it's really interesting that
it's such a temptation, you

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know, because.
It's a huge temptation.

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I know and I was, and I would
say I'm not that kind of guy and

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I'm not that kind of guy, but
I'm still tempted to be that

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kind of guy.
You know, like it's it's we.

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I think that there's a natural
desire to kind of display

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prominence and.
I think it's everybody has a

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natural desire to be somebody,
right?

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We all want to be somebody and
I, I honestly think if it's,

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that's like why there's so much
depression and anxiety in

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today's world is because we've
been taught that the way to

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become somebody is.
To be a celebrity.

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Rich is to be have money and
luxuries and that's it.

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Like you watch a Lexus
commercial, you watch a a

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Breitling watch commercial.
It's like this is the epitome of

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you've made it, yet there's so
many ways to be somebody.

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You could do hesed you could be
a teacher, right, right, you

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could and you're actually
somebody.

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If you're a teacher, you could
affect thousands and thousands

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of lives.
If you're a good, you have to be

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a.
Martyr because you're going to

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make any money.
But then like, how are you going

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to live?
I can't.

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If I was a teacher, I would.
I wouldn't be living here.

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But that but you have to
recalibrate what does it mean to

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live like do you need?
To afford a home, yeah.

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So you need.
You need a house.

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You need a house and you need a
vehicle.

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By the way, I was thinking about
this.

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By the way, I was thinking.
So where I teach, it's a Jewish,

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it's a Jewish private school.
So there's not there's none of

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the public school benefits right
you.

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Don't get insurance or anything.
I think full time employees get

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insurance.
I'm part time but anything full

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time gets 4O1K match.
Maybe, but you don't get a lot

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of the benefits from the public
school from the public system,

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which is fine.
But I know a lot of teachers,

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for example, will work full time
in public school, you know, and

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then they'll come teach 3 or 4
classes in the afternoon, make

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an extra 2030 grand.
And what they're doing is

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they're making 70 grand or 80,
you know, 6070 grand on a under

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salary.
They got their pension, they got

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their, they don't pay taxes
because they're, you know,

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they're teaching, they're public
school teachers.

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And then, and so, and then
they're making an extra $20,000

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teaching in the afternoons.
They're making $90,000 with

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benefits, a pension, 4O1K match
and no taxes.

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That's the equivalent of making
130 a $140,000 if you're

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anywhere else, you know, like
and you know, so, so these

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people are living.
I I think that you really could

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ostensibly make a good living
being a teacher.

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As I have a good living, but
like when you say martyr, I

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think you have to rethink
because we all want to be rich.

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We all want to have all the
luxuries.

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We want to be able to go to
Israel for Unsuckus and stay at

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the King David.
By the way, I don't know if

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that's even the case.
No.

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I don't.
That kind of stuff doesn't tempt

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me, but the kind of stuff to me,
money is a vehicle to being able

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to do what I want to do.
And I don't want to not be able

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to do what I want to do.
Now it happens to be I'm a

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pretty simple person, right?
What I want to do is I want to

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teach, I want to play guitar, I
want to do a podcast and I want

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to go for jogs and have a small
community that I'm close with.

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You know like that's those are
my value.

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That's that's it.
You go back to simplistic.

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Bass.
I'm exactly I'm exactly where

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I'm exactly where I could be
here for the rest of my life.

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Much build on what this is right
now and be the happiest person

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on the planet.
So then you're good.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And then there are things I
like, right.

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I like craft beer.
I spent $30 on a on a bottle of

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of beer that's smaller than a
bottle of wine, which is

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ridiculous, you know?
But it's barrel aged in bourbon

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barrels for two years and it's
14% with caramel and chocolate.

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And I think it's delicious, and
it's one of those things I love,

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but they're allowed luxuries.
And that, but that's a luxury

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that like you're not and about
to be.

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Disciplined.
I'm very hard of speaking to

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everybody.
You know you're not.

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Yeah, Yeah, it's not.
A show off thing.

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That's that's what I'm saying
the.

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Showing off this is, is like
what's making everybody

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miserable.
Yeah, social.

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Media there's looking at what
everyone.

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Else has and the richest people
and these are what's they're

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taking from.
So whatever.

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I mean back like, anyway, back
to school, yes.

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Back to school, not racist.
I just I truly you think that

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you.
Think that it's not you don't

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like me just to change.
The whole dynamic of black

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culture, like I've been
following this woman, it's

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called the Compassionate Prison
Project.

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And she goes into the hardest
lockdown, craziest lockdown

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prisons for murderers.
And she goes into the yard and

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they all stand in a circle.
And then she reads, she reads

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off a list of things that could
cause childhood trauma.

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And it was like if your mother
ever beat beat you until you had

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marks on your body.
Step forward.

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And like.
Half of the hundreds of people

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were in step forward.
If you grew up in poverty and

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didn't know where your next meal
was going to come from, step

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forward and she goes and she's
like, guys, you're all

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traumatized and trauma that the
the effects of trauma cause you

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to have like this distorted view
on reality and that if you would

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have just you're so hardened
because of your trauma and if

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you'd be able to work on your
trauma, do you think that's

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true?
Because I feel like a lot of

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people would say that's already
woke.

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I don't think it's true about
either saying.

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I don't think so either.
It's such a fine line, but I

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think that a lot of people would
push back.

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You don't understand the.
Ghetto in the hood that's I

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don't by.
The way it's so bad.

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It's so bad.
It's I grew up in the life that

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you could ever imagine.
Right.

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I grew up in the safest middle,
upper middle when I when I, when

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we start, when when my parents
moved in, it was just straight

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classic middle America.
And then became more, more

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wealthy over time.
But this is Muncie.

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Yeah, and Wesley?
Hills, yeah, but yeah, parents

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bought their first house for
$200,000 under foreclosure, but

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it was a four two in a
neighborhood that no one lived

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anywhere near.
And my mom hated it for the

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first five years and they were
living there.

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That's all Jewish, right?
And now it's all.

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Jewish, yeah, but it took, but
it took 30 years of them living

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there.
I mean, how many people are

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devoted to anything for 30
years, you know, in in anything.

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Hanging.
In their careers and their

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marriage and their you know, in,
in religious affiliation and in

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any, in any commitment.
I mean, people are committed to

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anything for 30 years.
It's.

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True.
You know so.

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I feel like if you stick around
long enough, then then I, I, I

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feel like the key to success is
always, has always been to just

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be disciplined enough to hang
around for a little longer than

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everyone else.
And like everyone where everyone

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else calls it quits and like,
you know, like they just like,

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OK, I'm done, I'm done, I'm
done.

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Like if you just go another day
longer, another, another

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episode, more, another, you
know, another, another call and

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one more call, one more, one
more sales call, one more

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hustle, one more.
I'm so tired.

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I'm just go watch that last
dish.

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Like that's all the difference
in like your marriage and your

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wife wakes up and like the sink
is empty as opposed to being

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full, You know?
I mean, that's, that's true.

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It changes.
Everything.

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So like, I feel like the people
that are the most successful at

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anything just kind of outlast
someone else.

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So.
So I don't think it's woke.

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To say that, I don't think so
either.

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By the way, I just think that
people would say that and I, I

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would like, what do you think?
What would you say to them?

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I don't know.
I think I think you're right,

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but what do you what would you
think people calling them?

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Victims that they're like need
extra special treatment, right?

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But like, they need to be taught
to, they know they have.

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Trauma.
They need to, they need to, they

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need to taught how to.
Everyone needs to be taught the

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tools that it takes to be a
person.

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They have no resiliency and
that's a trauma I think to me

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is.
In Hebrew, there's a lot of.

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Words for a fool, right?
There's like a kasil, there's a

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shota, there's and one of the
words is pesi.

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OK, right.
Like Torres Hashem tamima

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mahkimas pesi, which means it
makes up pesi, which is a fool

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wise.
But pesi.

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Rabbi Hirsch, if you look at
him, comes from the word pito.

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Sudden, right?
Sudden the same.

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The same it's the same root.
So like all words you know

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there's from the same they have
certain roots that that have

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certain contexts and if you root
for.

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This word of a fool, which is
why I think the more accurate

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translation would be an addict
or somebody meaning they're

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startled.
They're thrown.

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Off kilter from the smallest
thing, right?

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And wow, there's such an
interesting.

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Way of putting it and that's why
it says.

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Shomer Pasayam Hashem into
Hillam, which of Moshe Feinstein

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said about smokers in the 60s
when he asked could you smoke?

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And he said these people are
it's shomer pasayum, Hashem will

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guard the fools.
But pasayum from that same word

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pasi, which is an addict,
meaning Hashem is going to,

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he'll protect you from your
addiction or whatever he was

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saying.
But it's a trauma response.

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It's not having resilience.
It's being startled easily and

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triggered, right?
And that's what happens.

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I've been in, I've been in the
ghettos and you look at someone

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wrong you.
Make eye.

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Contact with one of these guys
and you hold it for too long, it

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isn't to them.
It's a sign of disrespect and

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they will kill you.
It's a threat.

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It's a threat to them, you know?
And it's just like, that's why I

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was always taught like, first of
all, like keep your eyes down #1

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like if you have see someone
just like put your eyes down

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immediately.
It's a sign of respect, right?

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And always be like, if someone
steps up on you, put your hands

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up like this.
Like open hands.

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Yeah, So that you're not
anything I'm.

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Not a threat.
Like, come on, come on.

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Yeah, I don't want to.
Do anything right?

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But it's.
Showing you how bruised only

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people people who respond like
that have the biggest bruises of

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on their egos right?
So hurt.

448
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:41,560
So it's it would.
Take a long time.

449
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,240
I don't think he's just be woke
the answer.

450
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,600
I think woke may have diagnosed
the problem properly, but they

451
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,880
don't have the right prognosis.
They've never had the.

452
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,120
Right, I know fortunately, by
the way, because the only the

453
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,040
only reason I say unfortunately
is because I would love for any

454
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,600
answer like I don't care where
it comes from, you know, I mean,

455
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,400
it all started from.
Jews, by the way, every single

456
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,600
social worker who's ever and
therapist is starting from

457
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,240
Freud, they were Jewish.
It's compassion.

458
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:08,040
This whole field is Hesed and
Rachmanis.

459
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,120
It was interesting.
Because so Hesed, which is

460
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:14,360
translated as charity, if taken
too far, turns out to be one of

461
00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:18,720
the most like kindness taken too
far turns out to be one of the

462
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,080
most dangerous thing.
Yeah, there's actually funny

463
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,680
because I mean, from a from a
Jewish lens and from a Torah

464
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:29,120
lens, the the Torah used the
word has said when referring to

465
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,440
someone sleeping with their
sibling.

466
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,760
And that's the it's the
greatest.

467
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,360
Kindness you can do, right?
Yet it's the.

468
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,560
Most.
Disgusting thing you could do,

469
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,880
but that's what they.
Always say in the 8th chiam, the

470
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,280
tree of life, in the
Kabbalistic, whatever you want

471
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,400
to call it, chakra, right?
Yeah.

472
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,360
You have chesed that's tempered
with gvuro, right?

473
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,240
Gvor is the opposite of chesed.
What's Gvora?

474
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,920
Restraint.
Gvora.

475
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,320
Gvora is strain is, they say,
strength.

476
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,440
But it's not really strength.
So what's the translation?

477
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,400
What's the context restraint?
It's withholding.

478
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,160
It's with.
It's restraint despite being

479
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,280
prompted.
Like.

480
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,880
You know, because it doesn't
take, it doesn't take strength

481
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,320
to be resilient when there's no
pressure, but it takes strength

482
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,080
and your kids pissing you off to
not yell at them and talk nicely

483
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,960
today.
So that would be the Gvorah that

484
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,080
you're talking about.
That's the translation but too.

485
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,360
Much of Gvorah and that's why
they say that Avraham was

486
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,640
cassette.
Yeah, right.

487
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,200
But I said without tempering
makes his one of his his bad

488
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,280
seed.
Was you small?

489
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,640
Yeah.
And you small is is they have

490
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,360
this, you know they have 70
virgins right when they die and

491
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:41,560
it's it's all like this Hasidic,
it's this kindness based out of

492
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,480
control.
How is that based?

493
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,040
How is that out of kindness
though?

494
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,040
I mean.
Ishmael it's it, they're, it's a

495
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,160
very the it's, it's, it's very
sexualized.

496
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,200
Like they even say they have,
they have polygamy, they have a

497
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,280
lot of wives.
Their entire martyrdom is based

498
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:03,440
on 70 virgins.
It's just this like, I mean, how

499
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480
to explain kindness in yourself
well, because.

500
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,280
Because I so the root, I know
that the root of kindness,

501
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,120
right, in terms of judge to the
is the root word of it is kin,

502
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,640
right, which is like family.
And you treat, when you treat

503
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,280
someone with kindness, you're
treating them as though you're

504
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,240
your kin, right?
As you're caring for them into

505
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,960
in such, in such a way that this
is the way that you would treat

506
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,600
someone that you authentically
love.

507
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,800
And if you treat a stranger with
kindness, why are they so

508
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,200
baffled by that?
Or why is it mean so much to

509
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,920
people?
It's because you got treated

510
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,200
like a relationship that you
didn't do much to deserve.

511
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,160
And it's that kind of throws you
off tilt a little bit.

512
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,160
You're like, why are you being
like, I don't know you, you

513
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,400
don't know me.
Why are you being so good to me?

514
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,320
Why are you treating me like I'm
one of your family and one of

515
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,200
your own?
You know, and it kind of all

516
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,600
goes back to that way that, you
know, we're all tribal in the

517
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,760
sense that we grew from, you
know, from little tribe

518
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,920
communities of little tribes,
you know, and, and that's how we

519
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,840
learn to interact best.
And that's what we do all the

520
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,680
time, you know, And like, it's
funny, I was talking to my

521
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,640
students about this.
You know, I'm trying to explain

522
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,320
to them People travel with
everything and like there's just

523
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,640
different degrees of how back
how far out you want to zoom,

524
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,880
you want to go to a country or
tribal about the fact you're

525
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,840
American.
You tribal about your religion,

526
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,480
you tribal about the fact you're
Jewish or Christian or you're

527
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,680
you're you're a Muslim, you're a
Hindu or whatever it is.

528
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:28,120
And then even within those
factions, right, you got, yeah,

529
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,560
you got families, you got
different interpretations, you

530
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,320
got different, you got, you got
different sex.

531
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,960
And then even those sex within
one another treat each other

532
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,720
badly, right?
Because we're all tribes within

533
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,000
a tribe.
And so, you know, so that's why

534
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,120
it's such a shock and that's why
I think kind of such a hard

535
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:45,640
thing to, it's such a hard call
to action for a lot of people

536
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,440
because we're asked asking
people to go beyond their nature

537
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,320
where we're used to looking at
people that we don't familiar

538
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,520
with as a potential threat and
to not treat them that way.

539
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,120
And then how do people respond
with that, You know, to that now

540
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,160
I, I, I, I'm in the business,
I'm in the sales and business

541
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,880
world.
And one of the first things my

542
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,120
dad told me when I started
working with him was like,

543
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,240
never, ever underestimate the
amount of liars and thiefs and

544
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,240
chiefs that are out there.
Because these guys will be your

545
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,000
best friend for 10/15/20 years.
And they'll ask for credit one

546
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,440
time, a hookup one time until,
you know, like, I've known you

547
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,920
for so long, I'm not going to
screw for this and disappear,

548
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,120
you know?
And that's the end of it, you

549
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,320
know?
And he told you that.

550
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,720
He did tell me that's.
Important.

551
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,480
It's real.
I mean, I've been so screwed.

552
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,640
Before have you?
Yeah, I, I, there are customers

553
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,840
now where what I'll say to them,
like, for example, the, the

554
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,040
best, the most common line I
hear from a customer is, oh, you

555
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,760
give me a good deal, I'm going
to come back and I buy, you

556
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,560
know, I'm going to buy a ton of
equipment from you, you know,

557
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,720
and I'm like, how about this?
I was like, I'm going to give

558
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,200
you a total of, of a 30%
discount.

559
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,880
The first deal that you buy for
me is 100% of his regular

560
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,520
wholesale value.
The next time you come to me,

561
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,120
it's, it's, it's, it's 15% off.
The next time you come to me is

562
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,880
20% off and you're going to get
that 30% off the same that, you

563
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,440
know, the same way whether you
like it or not.

564
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,000
Hey, yeah, sorry.
You're going to get this, you're

565
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,400
going to get 30% off, but I want
to make sure that you're going

566
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,200
to come back to me.
It's not coming off the top, you

567
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,920
know.
Yeah, I mean, I, I didn't think

568
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,080
about it.
That's what mortgage companies

569
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,640
do, right?
You pay, you pay, you pay your,

570
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,200
you pay your interest before you
pay your principal, you know,

571
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,440
because they're like, let me,
let me just make all that cash

572
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,400
first and then, you know, all
the money first.

573
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,200
So, so after, so, so you grew up
in Georgia in Savannah.

574
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,040
When did you when did you leave
Georgia for the first time?

575
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,440
I was.
I went to Shiva.

576
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,160
There was no Jewish high school
there, so I went to Shiva when I

577
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,920
was 14.
I got sent to that Philadelphia.

578
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,160
Was it hard?
Leaving home, yeah, it was hard

579
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,760
to be.
On on a lot of levels because

580
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,960
like I I was most of my friends
growing up were not religious.

581
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,680
I went to a mixed school.
My girls in my class until 8th

582
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,880
grade and then I went pretty
uncommon for.

583
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,720
Rabbi's son.
I mean, there's nothing.

584
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,400
Else there, right?
I mean, I only had two girls in

585
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,360
my class, right, You know?
And yeah.

586
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,840
But.
It was, it was hard like going

587
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,440
to all boys school and it was
like this shivish mentality that

588
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,960
I had no understanding of,
right?

589
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Which honestly seemed like it
was almost like a different

590
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,760
religion to me.
It feels like it, right?

591
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,800
I sometimes think.
That I still think that.

592
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Well, I, I, I don't even think
that it isn't, you know, but I

593
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,440
mean, it is.
It is the same religion, but.

594
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,960
It's.
In that, in that returning that

595
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,600
tribal idea, it's just as like,
I think more people treat it

596
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,800
like a tribe than they do like,
like being under one umbrella.

597
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,440
OK.
But I don't have AI don't have a

598
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,120
problem necessarily with with
the tribalism of it, but it's

599
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,560
it's more of like the external
judgement of it.

600
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,960
Yeah, it's like they they need
to, you need to look a certain

601
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:04,480
way, you know, either with like
pay is or, or like shaved hair

602
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,280
or white shirt, black pants,
sits is hanging out or and they

603
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,240
need to be able to like look at
you and be like, OK, Jack,

604
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,200
you're good.
You know, it's almost like an

605
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,200
external immediate judgement.
And they don't go into like the

606
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,360
depth of who you are.
It doesn't matter.

607
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,000
It's just you have to look the
part and there's nothing about

608
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
like.
There's very little.

609
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,960
About the depth of who?
Someone else?

610
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,000
So I.
Don't know it's like are you

611
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,800
there a chakras on time?
Are you you have to do all like

612
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,560
the the outward things that make
you part of that group.

613
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,600
Wearing a blue shirt like.
Wow.

614
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,720
It's cool.
Yeah.

615
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Lucy.
Like you can start telling what.

616
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,320
OK like I.
Don't know so.

617
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,360
It was, it was, it was a culture
shock.

618
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,560
How how long did it take you to
get?

619
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,560
Used to.
How long are you there for?

620
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,320
I don't, I don't think I.
Ever got used to it?

621
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,000
You never got 7 years.
I don't think I ever.

622
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,480
Got used to it 7.
Years is a long time to not get

623
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,800
used to something, but you never
did you ever feel comfortable in

624
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,240
that?
Did you get comfortable at a

625
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200
certain point in the sense that
like you just knew we were

626
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640
dealing with and like you
figured out how to maneuver

627
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,360
within that system?
Yeah, I mean, I look.

628
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Back at it now and I feel like
if, God forbid, I was ever

629
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,000
sentenced to 10 years in prison,
I would totally be comfortable

630
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320
after a few years and go with
the ropes, you know?

631
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880
But I'd still be in prison.
I think a lot of I.

632
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,160
Think a lot of life is like that
right like people aren't people

633
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,760
don't like to change but once
you actually once the change

634
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,800
happens, we're pretty good at
adapting to it right, right.

635
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,760
You know, like you wouldn't
like, we were very bad at

636
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,240
voluntarily putting ourselves in
scenarios where we have to

637
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,880
change.
But then when we do, we do, we

638
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,440
do that's.
Viktor Frankel's whole whole

639
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,320
book may in search for meaning
like you ever read that?

640
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,200
I've read, yeah.
I've read most of it like it's

641
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,240
fat like.
It's he found meaning and

642
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,080
purpose, and he found his groove
in Auschwitz.

643
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,040
Yeah.
You know, like, yeah, we.

644
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,800
Could adapt to any situation
that may be one of the.

645
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,040
Craziest stories of all time,
but my point?

646
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Is it's not ideal.
It's not ideal, but yeah, I

647
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,240
mean, so you asked me, did I
ever get used to it?

648
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,120
Did Viktor Frankel ever get used
to Auschwitz?

649
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Kind of.
But he was right.

650
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,440
You're.
Able to operate within it.

651
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,320
But it wasn't, it wasn't the
scenario you wanted to be in,

652
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,080
right?
Right.

653
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Right.
I didn't understand it.

654
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,240
It was just.
So which?

655
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,720
So you get out.
So you get out.

656
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,040
You're 21.
What do you do?

657
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,800
Then my father he he went to
Mirror Yeshiva in Brooklyn,

658
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,680
which is a.
Very prestigious place, right?

659
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,880
Yeah, I.
Mean it's not as prestigious as

660
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Philadelphia, OK.
But.

661
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,400
Like it was a step down, really.
Yeah, from Philly, OK.

662
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,120
I mean, that's what.
They say.

663
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,240
But my father was very close
with her.

664
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Schmuler Birnbaum.
OK, he's a close student of his.

665
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,360
I was.
I was the last son of two older

666
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,840
brothers.
And he asked me like.

667
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,160
Before I go to Israel.
If I would go to.

668
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,440
Brooklyn and learn for a year
under approval.

669
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,800
So I did that.
It means a lot to your.

670
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,960
Dad, that you do that, right?
Yeah.

671
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,160
It would mean a lot to him that
you do that.

672
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,320
It does.
It made me a lot.

673
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,000
And honestly, I did you not want
to.

674
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,160
I mean at.
That point, I didn't care.

675
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,680
Like, as long as I was out of
Philadelphia, like I really, I

676
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,320
really didn't care.
Did you fight?

677
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,560
To get out of Philadelphia
earlier when I was.

678
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Younger as in like?
Anywhere along those seven,

679
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,920
along those seven years at any
point, we're like, listen, I

680
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,640
just don't like you.
How can I go every year?

681
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,680
And what was the answer?
Say it's good for you to be

682
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,320
there?
Yeah.

683
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,480
That's.
So sometimes that really is a

684
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,080
truth though, like I I so when I
was in high school, I went to

685
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
all boy school for two years
that I hated and then I switched

686
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,600
to a mixed school and that's not
what made me like it definitely

687
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,120
had a huge factor because I'm a
teenage guy, but.

688
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,720
My mom.
Fought me tooth and nails to not

689
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,160
switch and I wanted to go to
this school since 8th grade.

690
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,880
So for 8th, 9th and 10th grade,
I fought with my mom about it

691
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,520
and then eventually she gave,
you know, she saw I was really

692
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,160
unhappy and she eventually gave
in.

693
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,760
And.
I always tell her I always.

694
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,960
I've concluded, you know, 10
years later, 15 years later

695
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,760
that.
She was.

696
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Right.
To force me to start in that

697
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,800
school.
And I was right that I should

698
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,080
have switched over at some
point.

699
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,080
But it was.
Very important that I started

700
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,520
off in a more sheltered,
wholesome environment that I was

701
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,320
and I was not prepared for the
other environment of self

702
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,120
consciousness when it came to
when it comes to other gender,

703
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,440
you know, say, you know, a
managing class work while being

704
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,280
a while being a social
individual, you know, and like I

705
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,040
just wasn't, I wasn't ready to
and I and trying to fit in right

706
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,120
and trying to get social
approval, you know, which I

707
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,280
spent a lot of time trying to
do.

708
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,080
And if I started doing that
since 9th grade as opposed to

709
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,719
starting at 11th grade, I think,
I think those two extra years,

710
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,199
even though I was miserable,
were way better for me in the

711
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:18,040
long term then then, you know,
then if I had gone my way

712
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,920
immediately out of 8th grade,
absolutely.

713
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,600
Yeah, looking back.
I mean looking.

714
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560
Back I could say that like there
was there was like Philadelphia

715
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,239
yeshiva.
It was it was such a strict

716
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,080
school like there was nothing.
You weren't allowed to have any

717
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,880
music, not even Jewish music
really, because Bittle Toro, it

718
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,040
was wasting time from learning
Toro.

719
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,639
We couldn't have any books like.
Wow, like I remember in. 9th

720
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,239
grade I brought Michael
Crichton's Jurassic Park and a

721
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,880
Garfield comic.
And it got.

722
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,120
Confiscated.
I got called into the

723
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,760
Mushkieff's office.
The principal.

724
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,000
Yeah, You know, it was like.
And.

725
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,360
Like even on Shabbos we weren't
supposed, we weren't allowed to

726
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,440
have ketchup and mustard on the
table.

727
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,480
You have to choose which one
because both of them is too much

728
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,200
desire really.
That's how the school was.

729
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,840
That's what I'm telling you.
The guy was so culture shocked

730
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,840
coming from a mixed school.
That's so I know, but it was it

731
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,200
was so intense.
There's really there was

732
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,120
nothing, nothing to do in that
school and you were in West

733
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,920
Philadelphia.
Where do?

734
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,600
Where do?
Where do kids that go to that

735
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,200
school and then what do what do
they have to do with their lives

736
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,720
in America?
Really.

737
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Yeah, guys, in my class.
Are the biggest rabbis now in

738
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,440
America?
Wow.

739
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,760
That's why.
Is that is.

740
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,440
That my mother's like, do.
You want you into the school.

741
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,640
There's 2000 people that apply
every year for ninth grade and

742
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,480
they accept 20.
She's like, I got you're in.

743
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,160
She's like, you'd be, you'd be
crazy to not accept this and go,

744
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,760
I got you into Harvard.
But it's like, what if you go to

745
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Harvard and Harvard's just not
for you, and you're just

746
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,880
drowning in Harvard?
Then you leave.

747
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,160
You should probably leave,
right?

748
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,640
But you have a mother who's
like, just stay in Harvard.

749
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,920
Yeah, because you're in Harvard.
Yeah.

750
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,480
It opens up doors and your whole
life could be different.

751
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

752
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,080
So look at that's what she
wanted.

753
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,040
And looking back at the end of
the day, like, I don't think I

754
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,600
would have learned.
Like there's nothing else I

755
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,320
remember being was the learning.
Incredible.

756
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Do you crazy?
Your your were your skills

757
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,520
extremely, extremely sharp at
that point?

758
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,920
They still are, yeah.
Yeah, that doesn't.

759
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Leave you the biggest rabbi.
Is it?

760
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Doesn't that?
Really.

761
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,760
Kamara begins.
Do you learn a lot?

762
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,760
Yeah.
I love it.

763
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,480
It's like the only every day,
yeah.

764
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,320
My father.
Who's the rabbi in Savannah

765
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,880
every day of resume?
Yeah, from 12:00 to.

766
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,680
One really Kedushan Ben Gamora.
She ties this from Shayna

767
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,040
Makrinum Ripkayam, size
7,000,000.

768
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Like you know these.
Have you heard these?

769
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,200
I, I I.
Heard a bunch of them.

770
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,040
I can't.
I can't say I ever have learned

771
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,000
them.
I, I, I, I'm extremely, I, I, I

772
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,720
am woefully incompetent relative
to so, so many people.

773
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,320
There's not so many people this.
Is I was literally taught how to

774
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,640
be a rabbi, like how to be a
rabbinic leader.

775
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,240
Did you ever?
Think did you think you were

776
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,000
going to be?
No, no, you never wanted to.

777
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,840
Be you know what?
I always, I honestly like when I

778
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,760
was younger, I wanted to go into
Kirov.

779
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,920
Right, which is outreach.
Like I wanted to be very

780
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,440
knowledgeable but very down to
earth like.

781
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,360
Weinberger from Aish.
What's his name?

782
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,080
Jacob.
Jacob Weinberger, Yeah, Yeah.

783
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,360
Jacob Weinberger, yeah.
Was incredible because what he

784
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120
was so amazing about him was
that he was able to take the

785
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,120
most philosophically complicated
concepts.

786
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,880
That's what I wanted in
challenging concepts and he was

787
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,760
able to water to make them
accessible to hundreds of

788
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,280
thousands of people, the most
ignorant people.

789
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,240
Have never heard anything.
That's what my father does, by

790
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:45,880
the way.
Yeah.

791
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,080
That's a real, real wisdom, my
father.

792
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,720
Is he is a Talmud Mavak, which
means like the closest student

793
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,720
to Rachel Berenbaum and he
learned in Kolo until he was 33,

794
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,160
became a rabbi in Savannah like
my father.

795
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,880
I have had rabbis like the head,
the head rabbi of the Aguda in

796
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,320
Flatbush, who knows my father.
He was like, I can't believe

797
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,520
your father's still in Savannah.
Like your dad could have been

798
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,240
the rush of Shiva.
Why is there any?

799
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,280
Issues because he loves it
because yeah, that's.

800
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,040
He likes doing outreach.
And he could take the most

801
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,800
complicated sugya, right?
The most complicated topic of

802
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:27,760
Gomoro with all the Rashonim and
aphronum and present it to the

803
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,560
biggest rabbi sitting there.
And to like a total redneck who

804
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,360
just drove to shul on Shabbos in
a Dodge Ram 1500, right?

805
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,240
Wearing boots and hats, sitting
there, Rabbi.

806
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,560
I'm here for Saturday services
and he'll understand the concept

807
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,240
of like, bug hulken bustle,
right?

808
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,360
I think that that is the
ultimate manifestation of what I

809
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,320
could true, Rabbi is agreed,
that's what.

810
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,760
I wanted to do.
I thought I'd be a teacher in

811
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Asia.
Torah or Saman?

812
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,720
Yeah.
If not.

813
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,040
Start my own.
Yeah, program stuff like that.

814
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,200
So then what?
So then so you ended up going

815
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,720
to, so you left.
So I went to Brooklyn.

816
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,320
That's Philly you went to.
Brooklyn for a year.

817
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,720
So, Brooklyn.
Miri She was living in Brooklyn.

818
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,320
After living in Philly like it
was like.

819
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,640
It was like freedom, really.
You like?

820
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,240
You like Brooklyn?
It was like there was.

821
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,120
Nothing.
There was no demands on you.

822
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,800
There was no.
You have to also realize in high

823
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,600
school in Philadelphia, they
shut the electricity got shut

824
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,120
off at 11:00 PM.
So you you couldn't even have

825
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,200
like a lamp on, meaning it was
lights, it was military lights

826
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,000
out, right?
You had to be up at 6:45 for

827
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,840
Shockers.
It was like.

828
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Military lights out.
So I remember everything had to

829
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,600
be battery powered fans lights,
you know, after 11:00 PM till

830
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960
6:00 AM light, the electricity
was off.

831
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,440
I mean, I think the electricity
to the air conditioning heat

832
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,960
still worked, but otherwise
there was no electricity.

833
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,360
So I just remember like New York
was like, it was, it was.

834
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,800
To me.
Relatively, it was so relaxed,

835
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,560
you know, and also reptual
Mirrenbaum, he was so he was so

836
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,920
like open and loving and like
the rabbi's who were in

837
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,400
Philadelphia.
It was like, I mean, reptual

838
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,440
Komanetsky was very nice, but
they were just, they were, they

839
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,600
were already the biggest rabbis
in the world, right?

840
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,000
They were the Gadoli Adorf.
So it's like there was almost

841
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,880
this reverence to them.
Like you were afraid to approach

842
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,240
them even though, yeah, we were
talking about.

843
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,280
That a little bit.
Isn't that weird?

844
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,120
Yeah, I.
So I didn't like that.

845
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,000
Like now in retrospect, I should
have been like, what am I like,

846
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,760
I'm paying tuition here.
Go talk to them.

847
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,720
I.
Know, but it's hard to do when

848
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,640
they're on a pedestal.
It's hard to do when you're

849
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,920
looking when you when you when
when they're this larger than

850
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,360
life.
The reputation precedes them and

851
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,760
they're stuff.
They're they're literally a

852
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,280
stuff of legends, right?
Like when you walk around and

853
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,600
you and like you hear stories,
first of all, there are

854
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,360
definitely stories that are
absolutely apocryphal about

855
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,320
them.
You know that you know, they're

856
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,160
born and they're born with
circumcised or you know that

857
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,360
they, you know, whatever you
know.

858
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,760
And then you have and then you
have legitimately treat them,

859
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,840
you know, as they are, but like
and with the reverence they

860
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,600
deserve because they are truly
great.

861
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,200
But it removes and.
But I don't even know that they

862
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,480
they like they shouldn't be
treated as equals necessarily.

863
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,400
You know, like they you
shouldn't.

864
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,200
Be a you shouldn't be afraid to.
Approach them but right you.

865
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,320
Shouldn't be afraid of them.
And that's why, by the way, the

866
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,880
trouble Beer and Baum was to me
on that same level.

867
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,520
But he would approach you what
he means really.

868
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,280
He'd come up to you and that was
what was.

869
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Amazing.
To me, it was like schmollen

870
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Rebelia in in Philly.
It was like you have to wait in

871
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,800
line. 35.
Minutes to maybe be able to talk

872
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,480
to them.
And then it's like, let me just

873
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,960
wrap up my question really fast
and it doesn't come out right.

874
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Yeah, I'm sure Beer and Baum
would Used to come over to me

875
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,080
and grab me by my lapels.
Right.

876
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,720
Like, did you understand the
shield?

877
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,360
Yeah.
Did you understand the class?

878
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,440
And then he said.
Like he just, he made himself

879
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,560
approachable.
Yeah.

880
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,960
So like, I enjoyed that a lot.
So it takes a special.

881
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,320
Person takes a special person to
know when they're.

882
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,360
Like, and also they looked at me
like, what the hell is this

883
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,560
Philly guy?
It was like the last year these

884
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,680
guys had been together since
kindergarten and this was fourth

885
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,280
year of college, right?
Like fourth year of base

886
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,160
Medridge.
And they're like, what is this

887
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,880
like Philly guy coming and
reptual Beerbaum loved me

888
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,080
because he loved my father.
And he was like very happy I was

889
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,520
in the class And like, I think
like the guys there thought I

890
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,560
was stepping on their toes and
that like they felt.

891
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,120
Threatened by me.
Somehow.

892
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,640
I mean, I made a couple of
friends there.

893
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,000
Is there a way to?
Deal with that.

894
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,720
What do you do about that?
Just I was.

895
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,000
Friends with like younger guys,
yeah, like first year guys.

896
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,320
And I was fourth year and I
don't know, I found a couple

897
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,200
people here and there.
And that was for a year in

898
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Brooklyn.
Yeah.

899
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,080
And at this point, had you, you
still had your desire to go into

900
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,160
into outreach into Kira.
I mean, honestly.

901
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,520
I'll be you never really knew.
What you wanted to?

902
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,200
No, it was.
It was after those years in

903
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,080
Philly.
Like I think, I think something

904
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,120
inside of me broke.
Really.

905
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,520
Yeah, it was a long.
Time.

906
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,640
It was a long.
Time, OK, it was just like it

907
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,400
was.
It was never.

908
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,400
Ending, you know, 7.
Years.

909
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Seven years is a long time.
Your life was seven years ago.

910
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,040
My parents.
Were there, my parents were the

911
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,800
ones who were telling me to stay
there, but they never gave me

912
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,200
like, oh, stay for high school.
Like I had a couple of friends

913
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,360
who came with me from Savannah,
really one year younger, two

914
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,320
years younger.
They were there for high school

915
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,800
and they left after 12th grade.
But they knew that from

916
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,160
beginning to end.
And then they went to nary

917
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,280
stroll in college or whatever.
I my thing was like open-ended,

918
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,720
right?
Was I going to be there for four

919
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,880
years?
Five years, 6810?

920
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Yeah, No, there's No 10.
Max was 8.

921
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,520
That's why I left a year early.
Wow.

922
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,600
But you got out.
Earlier, I think earlier.

923
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,240
Like.
Well, here's a big.

924
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,360
Deal I.
Know but I think something

925
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,000
inside it was just like I just I
was like so there's almost like

926
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,960
this repressed like living and
that's why after Brooklyn I just

927
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,160
I like that's a little bit of
the.

928
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,520
Pushback that people have on the
more the system.

929
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Well, the.
More.

930
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,000
Well, I think, yeah, it's funny
because you don't even call it

931
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,200
like, I don't even think it's
more to the left or right

932
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,800
because I think that.
No, I think you're right.

933
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,600
People do that.
Steen Systems and people just

934
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,200
don't like of course that your
particular case is extreme

935
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,560
right.
But I think that a lot of people

936
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,840
feel stuck in the world that
they're in and they feel like

937
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,960
there's no way to get out of it.
And like, if their parents are

938
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,800
invested in it, then like that's
the only choice that they have

939
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,160
and there's nowhere else for
them to go.

940
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,280
And a lot of times they're right
because if they go another way,

941
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,800
their parents freak out at them.
One of the ways that I feel like

942
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,120
my parents were great parents
were because my, I'm one of six,

943
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,080
all of us ended up totally
different.

944
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,360
And I'm like, that's how you
know that there's good parenting

945
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,480
that like all of us weren't like
taught to just be afraid to be

946
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,680
the one person that my dad or my
mom is, and that all of us were

947
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,960
just encouraged to be ourselves.
And if so, like my and there

948
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,320
were times where I did things,
my parents would sit me down and

949
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,080
be like, listen, I want you to
really think about what you're

950
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,200
doing before you do it.
But like, we're ultimately not

951
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,520
going to tell you you can't do
it.

952
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,480
You know, we're not going to
tell you like, if this is what

953
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,520
you need to do for yourself and
this is your life and this is

954
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,960
what you need.
We don't think this is

955
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,720
necessarily what's best for you,
but you got to do you got to do

956
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,240
you know, and and I would take
what they said very seriously

957
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,480
because of that, because they
gave me the freedom, because

958
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,680
they said I'm not holding you
back, but the vet.

959
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,960
But if you value our lives in
the way that we have chosen, you

960
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,640
know, we all the work that we
did to raise you the way that we

961
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,520
did, then this is antithetical
to what we're trying to teach

962
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,480
you.
And that's a really, that's how

963
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,560
my.
Wife was raised, she was raised

964
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,960
and she, she was like when I met
her parents, I was like, you

965
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,200
know, they're so open with like
they're so they let you do

966
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,240
whatever you want.
And she was telling me stories

967
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,560
as a kid, but she said to me
that like.

968
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,320
She.
She.

969
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,160
Felt this connection to them
that she never ever wanted to do

970
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,560
anything that would embarrass
like the family name.

971
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,600
You know.
That like they've raised me a

972
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,600
certain way and like, OK, I
might go like here or there or

973
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,280
this, but like I'll never do
that.

974
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,600
That would be like, that would
be shaming my parents, you know,

975
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,120
And I felt like that was really
good.

976
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,560
It was like a really good
upbringing.

977
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,400
And it wasn't like, you have to
do this.

978
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,120
You have to do that.
It's like do what you want.

979
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,520
But like there's certain lines
you don't cross, you know?

980
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,040
And, and, and listen, my parents
meant well.

981
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Like I have great parents done
your own.

982
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,040
My mother has like Holocaust
trauma and I love her to death.

983
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,080
Your mother's a Holocaust.
Father.

984
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,160
Her parents.
Her parents, by the way.

985
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,880
That gender and that, you know,
you can't compare the obviously,

986
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:50,760
but the kids of people that went
through the Holocaust have such

987
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,080
a challenging way.
It's crazy.

988
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,360
It's crazy such such a
challenge, I realized.

989
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,240
My mother grew up with like,
with like 0 affection.

990
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,120
Yeah.
Her mother worked 16 hours a

991
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,480
day.
She had like, nursing homes in

992
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,040
Chicago.
She was one of the original

993
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000
nursing home owners in Chicago,
like all the rich nursing

994
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,720
people.
No.

995
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:15,160
Like West?
Rogers Park West Rogers Park.

996
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,720
Nice.
Yeah, sure, her.

997
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,960
Place is.
Buckingham on TUI and it's like

998
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,880
a full square block on Tui,
which is like the heart of of

999
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,640
Rogers Park.
OK, That's where like all the

1000
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,560
shuls and all the restaurants
and everything.

1001
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,720
And she got.
All of these like rich nursing

1002
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,920
home people today, Glenners,
Reichenbach's, whatever, all

1003
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,480
these names she like helped them
get started in the 60s and 70s.

1004
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,480
Really.
She started hers in the 50s.

1005
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,760
Wow, your mom did.
My grandmother, your grandmother

1006
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,160
my mom's mom.
Wow.

1007
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,880
That's what she just.
She's a key there, Senoro.

1008
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,760
She said I'm going.
To take care of people, she's

1009
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,200
like, all I saw was death all
around me, you know, It's

1010
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,440
amazing.
People from down.

1011
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,960
It's so ironic that that's the
reason why she got into it.

1012
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,840
She my mother.
Grew up thinking, she said.

1013
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,560
You know, my mother didn't have
any grandparents.

1014
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:05,760
They were killed.
Yeah.

1015
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,280
And my grandmother told her that
all these people in this

1016
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,000
building are your bubbies and
zadies.

1017
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,240
That's beautiful.
Like it?

1018
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,840
It's one of the most beautiful
things that I've heard about.

1019
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,680
That's how she grew up.
So, I mean, my mother has a

1020
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,720
heart of gold, but she, she,
it's like she's trying to do

1021
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,840
she's.
Trying to do what's right, but

1022
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,120
she thinks it's the right thing,
Right, right, right.

1023
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,080
So then so there's a little
coldness towards her children

1024
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,800
and a little bit of
demandingness.

1025
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,880
You know, as an American kid,
you know, especially this is

1026
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,320
like, we're not that far away
from being immigrants.

1027
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,880
You know, my grandmother and
grandfather were immigrants.

1028
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Like, not just immigrants,
refugees.

1029
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,000
So like.
My mother grew up there, you

1030
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,920
know, So it's there's also like
generational shift, immigration

1031
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,320
shift, there's.
So the weight that the children

1032
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,360
of Holocaust survivors carried I
don't think is nearly

1033
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,120
appreciated or discussed enough.
My mom is actually.

1034
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,360
So my mom is the youngest in her
family, but also my both my

1035
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,760
grandparents were Holocaust
survivors.

1036
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,640
I think she was 12 or 15 years
younger than her next youngest

1037
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:12,480
sibling.
And she's like, by the thank God

1038
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,160
that I was the youngest because,
because.

1039
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,080
By the time.
I came around her Holocaust

1040
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,760
survivor parents had already
were already dealing with

1041
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,360
teenagers.
She was just pretty much flying

1042
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,680
under the radar the whole time,
right?

1043
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,840
You know, my aunt and uncle
were, were often, you know,

1044
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,880
being in the 80s, you know, as
teenagers doing whatever they're

1045
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,800
going to do.
And she got to do her own thing.

1046
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,960
But she's like, but I got to but
but I would witness their my

1047
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,240
grandparents, you know, the way
that my grandparents would treat

1048
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,520
my her older siblings.
And she was like, you know,

1049
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,760
there was never the sense of
blame.

1050
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,760
It was a sense of like, sadness
that this is what their lives

1051
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,760
had become because of what they
went through, You know, like, it

1052
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,120
was never like, I don't get why
you're that way.

1053
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,120
So that works.
For the children of Holocaust

1054
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,960
survivors, but the children of
the children of Holocaust

1055
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,680
survivors, grandchildren like.
Me and you so looking.

1056
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,640
At if our parents are doing the
same thing as their parents,

1057
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,480
Yeah, yeah, we don't get it.
Like we that that's I'm saying

1058
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,680
it's it's difficult for us.
Yes, correct.

1059
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,600
Because we're privileged.
We're more privileged about it.

1060
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,040
And I hate to use like that word
in that kind of sense, but it's

1061
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,640
true.
Like, but we are, we live, thank

1062
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,040
God, a million times.
And whatever you say about, you

1063
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,040
know, whatever it is about
Savannah, it sure is a hell a

1064
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,200
lot better than Eastern Europe,
which I think it's another

1065
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,000
problem with.
The yeshiva systems that I went

1066
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,160
to at least like they were
teaching all my red ribayum, all

1067
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,000
my teachers were, were European
and they were teaching American

1068
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,560
kids, you know, and I think
there was like a little bit of a

1069
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,000
disconnect and it's like they're
you're teaching European style,

1070
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,840
you know, to American kids and
it's like you have to, it's

1071
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,240
still a problem.
In the school system, I think

1072
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,480
what's the school system is
based on the depression system

1073
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:00,080
now, like the classroom and the
desk lined up in the bells for,

1074
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,680
you know, in the 40 minute or an
hour long class structure

1075
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,880
they're trying to make you into.
Factory workers, right?

1076
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,320
Yeah, Yeah, it.
Wasn't meant.

1077
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,080
I mean, it's yeah, yeah, I have
a lot of thoughts.

1078
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,520
I have a ton of thoughts on the
education system, but I would

1079
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,440
love to.
Revamp it, I thought, because I

1080
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,080
have you.
So how?

1081
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,120
Because it's so because because
what happens is toxic system.

1082
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
I know, but it's.
So far reaching and the

1083
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,320
implications what you.
Have to go to college?

1084
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,760
No, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1085
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,280
It's because everything is based
on it.

1086
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,240
What's based on it?
Jobs.

1087
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,920
Jobs What high school diploma?
Yeah, you can get equivalency.

1088
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,440
Like I have a daughter who has a
little bit, maybe ADHD, 7 year

1089
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,280
old.
And it's it's when we were in

1090
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,920
Savannah, she did fine because
really small school, very

1091
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,360
friendly, half the teachers were
her aunts or uncles, you know

1092
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,880
what I mean?
And here she's just like in this

1093
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,000
system and the teacher wants us
to medicate her.

1094
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,720
I don't want to medicate her of
course.

1095
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,000
Not.
Like if I could, I was like

1096
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,160
honestly she's not even learning
anything in this class.

1097
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,440
Like she's 2nd grade.
She comes home, she doesn't even

1098
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,880
know the parsha.
She doesn't like what do all

1099
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,840
they're doing is.
I've been really flirting with

1100
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,800
the idea of home schooling.
Me too.

1101
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,200
I've really.
Been putting with it and I can't

1102
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,920
think of many.
Especially.

1103
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,440
Because what I'd want to do is
kind of do like a Jewish school

1104
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,800
part of the day and then
homeschool the rest of the day

1105
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,280
so that the kid gets social
good.

1106
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,840
I think that I think it's a myth
about.

1107
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,960
Being socially, first of all, if
you have a, if we can get a

1108
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,400
group of parents who homeschool
and then we're all together

1109
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:33,320
good.
Or you they hang out with each

1110
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,640
other after, you know what I
mean?

1111
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,160
Like, yeah, you could.
Socially, I feel like these

1112
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,440
schools nowadays, especially to
these Jewish schools, like it's

1113
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,480
almost socially toxic.
There's so much bullying,

1114
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,360
there's so much jealousy.
There's so much if you don't

1115
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,880
think it's good.
To learn to navigate that I've

1116
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,040
I've, I've, I guess, yeah.
I think that.

1117
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,600
Resilience is something that's
really I think that kids are

1118
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,000
resilient and I think that
resilience is taught at a young

1119
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,000
age.
So let them get.

1120
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,640
Bullied and let no no no I.
I don't mean let them get

1121
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,920
bullied, but I do think that
there's something that, you

1122
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,400
know, the way that Jonathan
Haidt describes it, he was a

1123
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,680
psychologist at NYU.
That's not true.

1124
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:13,600
I don't know if he's a
psychologist.

1125
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,800
He's a researcher.
I don't know if he's a

1126
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,520
psychologist but I'm reading his
isn't his.

1127
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,560
Book scattered or no?
That anxious.

1128
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Generation, generation.
Yeah, I just got that in.

1129
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,720
Absolutely.
It's, by the way, one of the

1130
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:25,800
most important books I've ever
read, as my sister told me.

1131
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,960
Yeah.
One of the most important.

1132
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,040
Books I've ever read as a human
being that's not a Jewish book

1133
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,360
like from my, you know, from
separate, like religious, like

1134
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,880
from most important as like a
human being, even though I don't

1135
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,400
know if you can, right.
But let's just say take out Judy

1136
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,320
for a minute.
That's like up there with one of

1137
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,120
the most important that and to
me, The Fountainhead.

1138
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,680
You ever read The Fountainhead?
You got it.

1139
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:49,720
Like Ayn Rand.
Is written in the 50s, maybe

1140
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:51,800
even earlier.
It was.

1141
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,000
I mean, I read Atlas.
Shrugged.

1142
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,000
So this.
So this is way better.

1143
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,400
Yeah yeah.
What's it called?

1144
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,640
In my opinion, The Fountainhead.
The Fountainhead is pre Atlas

1145
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,160
Shrugged.
She wrote it before that.

1146
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,880
You can buy an Amazon for 5-6
bucks.

1147
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,320
Putting in my cart.
I haven't, I haven't, you know,

1148
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,200
I don't read it.
I used to love fiction.

1149
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,520
I haven't read a ton of fiction
because I found that I realized

1150
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,840
that what I liked is
storytelling and storytelling

1151
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,360
with imagination, like coupled
to my own imagination.

1152
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,160
And I realized that I could just
read about anything I'm

1153
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,800
interested in.
It doesn't have to be fiction,

1154
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,800
you know, like there's so many
non fiction things that are so

1155
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,480
crazy and so interesting that
I've distracted.

1156
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,360
Yes, I love 12 rules for life.
12 Rules for.

1157
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,600
Life I love 12 more rules is
excellent I I bought his.

1158
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,480
God struggled with man or
whatever.

1159
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,040
His Yeah, man, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1160
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,120
What do you think of it, by the
way?

1161
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,960
I think that he has I, I, he has
such good.

1162
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,320
Insights into Toro, Yes.
I was going to say, it's such

1163
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,800
good, such good insights into
into Judaism.

1164
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,440
It's safer for.
Jews called Jordan Peterson Ala

1165
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,200
Toro and just take all of his
biblical ideas.

1166
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,880
What?
What do you?

1167
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,240
Think the reaction would be to
that?

1168
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,040
I don't know.
Because.

1169
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,480
He's so Christian.
He's so Christian.

1170
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,440
Not really.
No, he's not.

1171
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,520
He is.
No, he's not OK.

1172
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,120
I don't think he is even he used
to say like he.

1173
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,360
I don't even know if he he.
He he has.

1174
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,520
He, he, his whole thing is I.
Believe in God like it's it's do

1175
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,560
I believe in.
I act as if there is a God.

1176
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,480
That's what he says.
I act I, I act but and I.

1177
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,800
Also think that there is a guy.
I also think that's also missing

1178
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,480
something to it by the way, of
course.

1179
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,640
But I think he's working things
out.

1180
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,720
I could see him converting to
Judaism within a few years.

1181
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,600
You think so?
Yeah, He's gonna find.

1182
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,560
He does that whole thing with
with Exodus.

1183
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,280
He's doing, he's doing.
Amazing things, the things he's

1184
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,800
finding.
The things he's finding are

1185
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,680
directly to our idea.
Like I directly like ancient,

1186
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,080
unbelievable.
Ancient to our.

1187
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,400
Idea went to one of his things.
He was in Miami Beach and I got

1188
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,520
VIP ticket where I can meet him.
OK.

1189
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:54,160
Did you meet him?
Yeah.

1190
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,400
What was it like?
What was he like?

1191
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,280
It's amazing.
I gave him a.

1192
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,880
Book from Rabbi Torski.
Really, Abraham?

1193
00:55:59,280 --> 00:55:59,840
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.

1194
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,480
Of course, yeah.
Yeah, he's incredible and I gave

1195
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,720
him a book.
By Rabbi Sacks which Which?

1196
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,200
He'll fractured.
World, it's one of them.

1197
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,080
OK, I loved.
His books.

1198
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,640
When I was in college, I saw
sex.

1199
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,760
Yeah, he's amazing.
What was the what?

1200
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,080
Was the, what was the big one,
the great divide, the great

1201
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,040
partnership.
So like the great partnership

1202
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,480
with science and religion.
He, he was the first, he was the

1203
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,520
first big Jewish authority
leader in a very, very, very

1204
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,120
long time to say that science
and religion do not conflict

1205
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,360
with one another and that
they're two sides of the same

1206
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,360
coin.
I mean, not really.

1207
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,280
Well.
There was a war.

1208
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,120
Of course, but.
That was 150 years earlier.

1209
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,160
OK.
But you said it was?

1210
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,240
The first icing Modern, more
first modern guy.

1211
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,040
Because there was a certain
point.

1212
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,640
So during the time, during the
mid 1800s, there was an attack

1213
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,000
on religion, right?
That's Muskelum.

1214
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,440
Well, the Melbourne not not
judged in.

1215
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,000
Judaism throughout the world
where the world said we have a

1216
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,000
scientific revolution, we no
longer need God and religion.

1217
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,800
Religion responded by saying if
you don't need us, we don't need

1218
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,480
you, which is a dumb reaction.
The reaction should be, wait,

1219
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,040
why, you know, like what about?
And then that's what Jonathan

1220
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,360
Sack says.
He said, you know, the great

1221
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,000
partnership in the way that he
describes it as science is the

1222
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,840
how and religion is the why.
You know, the the science is the

1223
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,040
how does this work and the
religion is OK, Now that we

1224
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,880
understand how this works, what
do you do with it?

1225
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,880
What's the point of it?
How does that apply to your

1226
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,080
life?
What's your relationship, Zoar?

1227
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,600
Talks about The Big Bang.
Yeah, Zoar.

1228
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,120
Systems.
Are not good shell or there was

1229
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,760
a dot of light that Hashem
expanded into the whole

1230
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,560
universe.
Yeah.

1231
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,080
Yeah, the Zillahar.
Yes, from thousands of years

1232
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,000
ago, you know, I was talking
about.

1233
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,680
You know, there was someone, I
forgot what the source was.

1234
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,920
I have to find it for you.
But there was a source that.

1235
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,160
So in Judaism there's a concept
called, you know, Mashiach,

1236
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,720
which is ultimate savior and the
ultimate redemption.

1237
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,360
And then you have the notion of
what we call Mahamis Gogumagog,

1238
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,200
the war of Gogumagog.
And apparently there's an

1239
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,200
opinion.
Maybe, I'm sure you know,

1240
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,000
actually maybe what it is that
apparently the war is supposed

1241
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,000
to be 12 minutes.
Yeah, right.

1242
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,040
Nukes.
Where's that from?

1243
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,320
The Ville Nagorn.
Said it and how?

1244
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,200
How?
When did when?

1245
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,760
When did Nicole Hatar?
When did when did Ville Nagorn

1246
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,320
live?
He lived in 1700s OK.

1247
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,640
There was no such thing as
nuclear weapons at the time.

1248
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,280
Go back into Novi.
So when he.

1249
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,920
Says that there's that that that
that the final war before the

1250
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,520
ultimate redemption is going to
be 12 minutes and three 250

1251
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,920
years before there was nukes,
you know, and now we find today

1252
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,200
we were like and then we have
the personal further back.

1253
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,200
When you read the Haggadah,
right before they say figs,

1254
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,640
Yeah, it says Dom the Ish, the
Simros ocean.

1255
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,280
Yeah, right.
You know those three blood.

1256
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,800
Yeah.
Blood, fire, and well, it was

1257
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,760
Pillars.
Pillars of smoke?

1258
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,280
Yeah, but a pillar of smoke is
like when we were in the desert.

1259
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,200
It's called it Ahmud Ha Ashan.
A pillar?

1260
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,120
Yeah.
What is Tim Rose?

1261
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,200
I don't know.
I'll tell you.

1262
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:57,880
What's?
The root word of it?

1263
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,760
Tamar.
A date poem Tim Rose Ocean Oh,

1264
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:03,680
like a mushroom.
Cloud isn't.

1265
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,960
That crazy and that's talking
about before the template.

1266
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,280
It's that's talking about that's
from Joel chapter.

1267
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,120
Three.
That's from Yoel.

1268
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,560
Chapter 3 and it says in the
future by Gogomagog, there's

1269
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,000
going to be blood, fire and.
These mushroom clouds.

1270
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Mushroom clouds.
Of smoke, Tim Rose, Ashana

1271
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,280
Tamar.
Wow, so.

1272
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,480
All of this and by the way, if
you go into yo Joel chapter 3

1273
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,240
further, he talks about the
Arba.

1274
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,600
He talks about that there's
going to be by Gogomogo, locust

1275
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,360
swarms with red eyes shooting
fire, swarms of locusts shoot

1276
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,080
with red.
This is how he does that.

1277
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,600
So what is that?
Drones.

1278
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Oh, interesting.
Like what?

1279
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,280
He put to a second century
prophet who's yeah, yeah, yeah,

1280
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,960
yeah, drones spitting fire.
He they look like they look like

1281
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,440
so.
Here's my here's my question

1282
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,240
that I by the way.
So, so I've always been very

1283
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,920
skeptical.
I don't know why, but I've

1284
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,800
always been very skeptical
about, I've always been very

1285
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,280
skeptical about people that
claim that like we're at the end

1286
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,960
of time, end of days, you know,
like it's all coming to a

1287
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,080
combination because we've been
saying that because Jews have

1288
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,360
been saying that in particular
for thousands of years, right?

1289
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,000
Like we're always waiting for
something to happen, like.

1290
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,880
Are we are we forcing this
interpretation or are we like,

1291
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,480
how do we?
Make sense once the technology

1292
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,920
once that's what it says once it
comes, we can't understand what

1293
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,160
it means until it actually
starts to happen and then you're

1294
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,480
like you look back and like, Oh
my God, that's what's happening.

1295
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,440
So here's.
So here's what I've been getting

1296
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,120
at.
And then I actually, I want, I

1297
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,960
want to keep on going.
I, I want to get back ultimately

1298
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,960
to, to psychedelics and the fun
stuff, right?

1299
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,080
But we're already, we're already
down here psychedelics.

1300
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,720
Are part of Machias coming?
I think so too.

1301
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,400
But I think so here's what I've
been listening like as what I've

1302
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,000
been thinking about as computing
is getting greater and greater,

1303
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,200
we're getting more what, what's
the, the main word that you hear

1304
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,320
today, especially out of
concerned parents, is instant

1305
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,960
gratification, right?
The notion that we get things

1306
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,720
without having, without having
to appreciate what it is that

1307
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,000
we're getting, right, Aden
Right.

1308
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,560
Or Garden of Eden, where Adam
and Cava, Adam and Eve started

1309
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,200
was a world without any
processes.

1310
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,360
And the Madras says that like
the way that Adam and Cava had

1311
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,600
Kain and Hevel, Kain and Abel,
two people got into bed, four

1312
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,440
people got off.
There was no process of birth.

1313
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,000
There was no process of, of
pregnancy.

1314
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,240
It was just two people got off
the bed.

1315
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,680
On the bed.
Two people got, four people got

1316
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,160
off the bed.
We're living in a.

1317
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,040
World that's more and more and
more that you don't have to do

1318
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,720
the work in order to be able to
get the value of it.

1319
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,720
But the question becomes, what
is the purpose of that?

1320
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,280
What's the?
What is the?

1321
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,520
For the messianic age, like in
the messianic age, it says that

1322
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,280
we're not going to be able to,
we're not going to have to work.

1323
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,280
Everything will be done for us,
right?

1324
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,640
With AI and robotics and free.
And we're literally not.

1325
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,600
We're.
Going to be the richest.

1326
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,680
Right, so then and we'll have
everything.

1327
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,640
Provided for so then.
The question has to become

1328
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,840
what's the point of anything?
Because we're going to.

1329
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,560
Learn we're going to we're going
to have a God consciousness.

1330
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:13,920
Ah, right.
The purpose which is.

1331
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,640
Every reality which is evolution
of our awareness of evolution of

1332
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,000
our traits and what I've been
thinking about and everyone is.

1333
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,200
Becoming more godly.
There's a Christian revival

1334
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,600
revolution going on right now
since COVID.

1335
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,000
You think so?
I know so.

1336
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,480
I followed this stuff because I
do notice.

1337
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,720
That people are more.
I think that there was like a 5

1338
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:32,720
and 10 year.
Period where?

1339
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,040
People were afraid to say the
name, say the word God, right?

1340
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,080
Oh God, atheism. 80s and 90s
atheism was all the rage.

1341
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,440
Yeah, and new age bullshit
stuff.

1342
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,560
Postmodernism.
Is what we called it nowadays.

1343
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,200
Old school God is coming back
into play people are looking for

1344
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,120
God they're because we realize
that we.

1345
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,640
Need meaning.
We need the water.

1346
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,520
We need the why.
The how is not enough.

1347
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,880
The how is not enough exactly.
Right, right.

1348
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,160
So I think that, but I think
that.

1349
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,160
So my theory of what I've been
thinking about, it's not even a

1350
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,400
theory, it's not even flushed
out completely, is that when we

1351
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,240
have this world of but.
On what you were saying is I

1352
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,960
think we are we're coming full
circle.

1353
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,360
We're coming back to the Garden
of Eden.

1354
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,480
I think we are that's.
Right.

1355
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,920
Like look at all the curses,
right Chava?

1356
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Was gonna have pain in
childbirth.

1357
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,280
We have epidurals, right?
Adam was going to have to work

1358
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,840
the land by the sweat of his
brow.

1359
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,520
We have like farming machinery,
factories.

1360
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,240
Factories.
We were going to like all the

1361
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,880
curses that that that were given
are are becoming undone.

1362
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,560
Women were going to be second
class to men, right Java, you're

1363
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,680
going to undone feminism.
We're up to like 4th wave

1364
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,120
feminism today, which I think
it's like with every new

1365
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,640
movement, it goes to extreme,
but it's itself out and like it

1366
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,320
finally finds itself at the
right to Ferris, which is what I

1367
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,840
was saying at the beginning.
You have Cassed, you have

1368
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,360
Gavura, right?
You have kindness.

1369
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,760
And you have.
That is the perfect.

1370
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,640
Balance of the two, meaning you
have to know when to give

1371
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,760
kindness and when to restrain.
So I don't know that we're.

1372
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,320
Going to get that balance so
soon.

1373
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,240
I think that we're, I think that
what we're exceptionally bad at

1374
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,360
is balance, but.
I honestly think AI is at some

1375
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,640
point it's going to be so
generative that it's going to

1376
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,080
prove the existence of God.
It's going to say we're going to

1377
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:21,080
ask Rock 7 point O yeah.
But you know what?

1378
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:21,960
What is the meaning?
Because.

1379
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,440
It's pilotry.
It's programmed by atheists

1380
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,800
well.
First of all, yes, but that's

1381
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:27,880
and that's the other.
Problem.

1382
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,320
Right.
So here's the thing about this.

1383
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,320
If the point of humanity and the
point of let's say religion as a

1384
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,080
whole, right, is to elevate
consciousness, we have primal,

1385
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:43,200
we have primal evolutionary,
primitive, reflexive,

1386
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:48,920
animalistic DNA.
And what we try to do is try to

1387
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,880
get beyond that, right?
Again, you can even say that

1388
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,880
that whole kindness of
conversation we had earlier,

1389
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,880
right, where you treat a
stranger like kin is already

1390
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,920
beyond that, right?
You're you're going beyond

1391
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,840
billions of years of evolution
by treating someone that you've

1392
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,840
never seen before with a smile
and how you doing and that that

1393
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,520
would never happen because you
get killed, right?

1394
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,120
I mean, you know that that
that's just what the answer is,

1395
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,960
right?
And and so when so I think that

1396
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,880
when people, I think that, you
know, everyone always says that

1397
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,200
like the days of machetes that
are going to come, the days of

1398
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,960
the quote UN quote, ultimate
redemption are going to come.

1399
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,200
Everything can be very painful
or very beautiful.

1400
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,560
They might be painful because
when we're doing these things

1401
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:33,640
like AI, we're developing them
without coming from the place

1402
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,440
of.
That.

1403
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,680
Elevated sense of consciousness.
We're coming from a place of

1404
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,920
censorship.
We're coming from a place of

1405
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,400
trying to control a narrative,
and power is the ultimate goal.

1406
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,240
And whereas the opposite should
be true, it should be

1407
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,760
democratized information where
everyone has access information.

1408
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,480
And it should be that everyone
has X-Men, by the way.

1409
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,480
And the biggest problem that
exists today is that there's so

1410
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,680
much information.
It's so hard to even determine

1411
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,440
what's real or not.
It's so there's studies backing

1412
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,520
up everything.
You know, fluoride kills you,

1413
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,800
makes you Dumber and is the best
thing in the entire world.

1414
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,680
And there's no middle ground.
And, and vaccines are the best

1415
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,200
thing and the worst thing.
And there's no middle and you'll

1416
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,240
never meet anyone that's like, I
don't know about vaccines.

1417
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,280
You know, like if someone says I
don't know, it probably means

1418
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,000
they're against it or it means
that they think that they're

1419
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,080
speaking to someone that's
against it.

1420
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,800
And they don't want to say that
they're pro about vaccines.

1421
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,480
And they're the worst thing in
the world, right?

1422
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,040
You want you want to talk about
that?

1423
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,720
We could talk about that.
Let me actually just pause.

1424
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,120
Have to go to the bathroom.
Let's pause here for a second

1425
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,560
and then we'll pick up to one.
We're back.

1426
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,160
We got fresh ice for our
tequila.

1427
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:38,680
Here we go.
Yeah.

1428
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,520
Thank you.
Perfect.

1429
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,600
I'm fine.
Was that I had a kid.

1430
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,960
Huh.
Between between Sunday and now

1431
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,040
what?
Yeah.

1432
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:55,720
Thank you very much.
Thank you.

1433
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,200
Had a baby girl, Ariella.
That's awesome.

1434
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know.

1435
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,040
I was going to ask you.
Yeah, thank.

1436
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,400
God, it was.
It was.

1437
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:03,520
So you had her right.
Here.

1438
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:04,600
Yeah, right here.
Memorial.

1439
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:05,960
Did you just walk there?
You walked there?

1440
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,720
It's amazing to be here.
My mom flew in.

1441
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:12,280
Wait.
So where is she?

1442
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,480
Now she's she's in search.
She's.

1443
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,040
Mom's here.
And then?

1444
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,560
My mom, my mom actually went,
went, flew home tonight.

1445
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,480
She was here.
I always give birth on Monday

1446
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,200
night.
It's amazing.

1447
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,120
Yeah.
Yeah, it was crazy, dude.

1448
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:25,720
Your neighbor yet?
Yeah, Ariella.

1449
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,040
Ariella to me, mom.
Actually funny because we could,

1450
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,960
we could wrap up this segment of
the conversation with this.

1451
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:38,600
I really feel very strongly.
That names.

1452
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:43,240
Have influence over a
personality.

1453
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,880
And there are also personalities
that fit into names, right?

1454
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,840
And so my wife and I had a bunch
of names that we thought about,

1455
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,600
but we weren't sure about until
we actually saw the baby.

1456
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,320
And we looked at her and she
didn't look like any of the

1457
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,880
names that we had planned out.
And I did not want the name

1458
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,400
Ariela originally.
And I was like, but this girl

1459
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,840
just looks like an Ariela.
And like that she looked a

1460
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,720
little like a little almost like
tougher.

1461
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,520
And I wanted to give her a name
that also would kind of round

1462
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,960
her out a little bit.
And so Tamim or Tamima Tamim is

1463
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,840
the word means wholesome.
It means rounded.

1464
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,000
And I wanted like specifically
like, you know, I don't want to

1465
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,279
deny her her nature, but I want
her to, you know, to be also

1466
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:26,880
well-rounded.
So funny.

1467
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,640
My wife is so into that.
Is she her?

1468
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,720
The names there's a whole.
Do you have your wife has that

1469
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:33,840
book?
There's a book.

1470
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,800
It's an all Hebrew and it goes
into the personality traits and

1471
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,560
characteristics of each name.
It's incredible.

1472
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,600
I'll send you.
I get a I get you the link for

1473
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,880
that.
I'm saying like we named.

1474
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,800
One of our daughters after her
great aunt, yeah, her great

1475
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,960
aunt, she was like, she's a
Holocaust survivor and she was

1476
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,600
like a little bit miserable
person.

1477
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,560
Yeah.
So like, and her name was Sarah.

1478
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,560
Yeah.
So she was like, I kind of want

1479
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,840
to round.
It out with her and so.

1480
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,080
She named her Sarah Eliza, which
is joy.

1481
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,760
Yeah, it's.
Beautiful and it's really and.

1482
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,399
I'm telling you this name.
It's like.

1483
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,560
Perfect for this daughter.
Like, she's 13 years old now.

1484
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,560
Yeah.
And it's like she's just like.

1485
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,920
She has this like.
Serious nature, but like it's

1486
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,800
almost like a.
Like a.

1487
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,840
Deadpan humor.
Yeah, sure.

1488
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,200
It's just like, it's perfect.
It's like by the way.

1489
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,279
There is, there's such a beauty
in that because like that's what

1490
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:29,960
like what makes a lot of
comedians great is like their

1491
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,840
ability to have humor about
something but serious.

1492
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,680
Yeah, but, but, but, but have
that serious observational power

1493
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,279
and have that real realism.
It's it's it's a real, real

1494
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:40,800
skill to make your first kid is
a.

1495
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,800
Boy, my first son's a.
Boy, he's 2.

1496
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,240
And then my daughter who's four
days old.

1497
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,840
That's awesome.
And the whole house feels

1498
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,359
different.
The whole, the whole house feels

1499
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:55,520
like there's like just more
warmth than life in it.

1500
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,800
And it it's just like, and maybe
this is like romantic, you're

1501
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,120
coming back and like it's like
it's new and like soon it's

1502
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,160
going to be chaotic and a
nightmare and maybe it will be,

1503
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,840
you know, But that's it.
You know, that's you Sign up

1504
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:06,960
for.
Did you vaccinate?

1505
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,440
Her we did not yet.
Don't do it, man.

1506
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:10,280
We didn't do it.
We.

1507
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,960
We we talk about that for a
couple minutes.

1508
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,640
Let's talk about it.
I think it's really important.

1509
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:14,800
Let's talk about it.
Let's dive into it.

1510
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,200
Tell me what?
Tell me So what?

1511
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,760
What have you?
What have you researched?

1512
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,240
Background.
Wise, it's not even about

1513
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:26,920
research I all my kids are
vaccinated fully OK in in 2017 I

1514
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,320
I told you this before didn't I,
about ibogaine yes let's.

1515
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,840
Talk about So where do you want
to start from?

1516
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,320
Vaccines are ibogaine.
I mean one leads.

1517
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,760
Into the other so let's I'm
involved in a biotech company to

1518
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:42,400
bring Iboga to FD approval OK
before that guy so before.

1519
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,400
Then let's get let's get, let's
get cuz let's get this a little

1520
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,120
bit in in order, but also
covering all the topics.

1521
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,280
So right now you are so.
Let's start with let's.

1522
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:55,080
Start with addiction.
Let's start with with opioids.

1523
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,880
So.
After Brooklyn I basically try

1524
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:07,040
to live my life that I missed
out from 14 to 22 OK in like 6

1525
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,160
months.
No in like a.

1526
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,360
Four year span.
OK, fine.

1527
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,960
It's pretty good.
I'm just saying like.

1528
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,640
I was, I was everywhere, did
everything.

1529
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,320
Where were you living?
Everywhere.

1530
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:16,880
Everywhere you were single, I
was.

1531
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,120
Single.
OK.

1532
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,320
And.
What were you doing for work at

1533
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,640
the time?
I had.

1534
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,560
A couple of real estate stuff.
I was selling insurance for a

1535
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,400
little bit, just odds and ends
like I didn't need to make a lot

1536
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,200
of.
And where were you living?

1537
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:28,720
I was in.
Maryland.

1538
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,760
I was in Jackson, NJ, I was in
Brooklyn for a little bit, in

1539
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,640
the city for a little bit.
Which part of the city?

1540
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,160
Upper.
West side nice where?

1541
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,160
West End.
Ave. and 82nd, 82nd sure.

1542
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,560
That's what do you what's the
building called Ours.

1543
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,400
Was the Mansfield.
It's it's the next door.

1544
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:47,600
There's another big Jewish
building.

1545
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,520
That's the Jewish building.
No, there's a big.

1546
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,920
Jewish building that's right
next door to it, that's very,

1547
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,160
very popular.
It was there was like.

1548
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,480
A lot of single stuff, yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's a whole.

1549
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:57,520
Lot from the West side, right?
I don't.

1550
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,080
Know, but like, I was for six
months, maybe I was there, yeah.

1551
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:03,280
I hated it, by the way.
I wasn't.

1552
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,520
Like going out socially,
especially not in the Jewish

1553
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,240
community.
Like I was going to like Pig and

1554
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,240
Whistle on 33rd and Lexington.
Cool.

1555
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:09,520
Yeah.
I'm.

1556
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:10,680
Familiar with that place, by the
way.

1557
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,000
Yeah, like whatever.
Like I.

1558
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,120
What were you?
What were you doing at the time?

1559
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,400
What were you like?
What were you in terms of your

1560
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,280
life?
Were you?

1561
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,440
I was literally just on.
Cruise control you were just

1562
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:21,520
enjoying.
Yourself, I was just.

1563
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:22,760
I had.
I was just like.

1564
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,680
What were your passions at the
time?

1565
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,200
What would you enjoy?
Would you love?

1566
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,120
Were you looking for music?
Were you looking for?

1567
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,840
People were looking for music I
played.

1568
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:32,480
Music.
Oh yeah, you're a.

1569
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:34,000
Musician I played.
Guitar.

1570
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,600
I was playing guitar all the
time with the Red Lion in the

1571
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,000
village.
You ever been to the Red Lion?

1572
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,960
No village.
I just play guitar.

1573
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,840
They're all the time.
Just like covers or your own

1574
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:43,640
song?
Yeah, both.

1575
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,000
Mostly covers my own song.
Sometimes I would take songs and

1576
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,280
put my own words to it.
We should jam together.

1577
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,080
Sometime we should, because I
I've never played with another

1578
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,960
musician before.
I mean, I'm not like I know I'm

1579
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:57,760
not either.
I taught.

1580
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,080
Myself and I just, I just jammed
and like I found good people to

1581
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:05,160
do it with.
I smoked a lot of weed and then

1582
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,120
I got into like a little bit of
underground drug culture.

1583
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,000
Nothing crazy.
Like I remember I did cocaine

1584
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,880
once, hated it really.
I was like, what was it like?

1585
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,200
Do you?
Describe it so we're out.

1586
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:17,880
In Vegas, I've never been
tempted.

1587
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,520
Even by it.
Well, I wasn't.

1588
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,720
I would.
Never was either, but I'm in

1589
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,600
Vegas one night.
So I also, I used to love rap.

1590
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:29,080
I used to love like Nas and
Tupac and Biggie and and N.W.A

1591
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,400
and and Wu Tang.
Like I loved them.

1592
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,320
Like I knew mom was like their
songs were Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1593
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,120
And then Eminem.
Came on the scene and that was

1594
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,360
that was.
An explosion, right white dude?

1595
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,760
Like and he was so fast and his
rhymes were like double, triple

1596
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,320
rhyming cadence schemes, you
know, like while he was putting.

1597
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,360
Out songs, everyone was getting
blown away every, every time.

1598
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,840
Crazy, yeah.
Crazy he never he revolutionized

1599
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,080
rhyming schemes like people like
nowadays.

1600
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,800
Now it's normal but like.
She's the father.

1601
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,320
Of it, yeah, I mean he's.
Like a rhyme.

1602
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,520
Like he would say a a murderer
rhyme, right.

1603
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,400
One word at a time.
So he's rhyming murder.

1604
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,520
Yeah.
Murder rhyme.

1605
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,120
Word time.
You never heard of a mind as

1606
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,120
perverted as mine?
Yeah.

1607
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:17,880
Redid.
That night, Dylan did a lot.

1608
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,600
Of that, Springsteen did a lot
of that, but I don't.

1609
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,480
Doing it in such a rapid fashion
and like it was just.

1610
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:26,800
It was such a good and his Beats
by Doctor Dre were so good.

1611
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,560
Anyway, so I'm at the House of
Blues.

1612
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,320
We're I was with my cousins.
We used to party like crazy.

1613
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,600
I was never a gambler, but
they'd love to gamble.

1614
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,880
So they got comped at in Vegas
at the Mandalay Bay.

1615
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,800
But it was Mandalay Bay, the
hotel building when was.

1616
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:50,760
It in 90s no this.
Is 2004 five 2004 it got comped

1617
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,760
Michael Douglas suite at the
Mandalay Bay the hotel meaning

1618
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,720
he was a crate like I used to
see him drop he used to lose

1619
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,120
2030 grand in a Michael Douglas.
No, my cousin.

1620
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,200
Oh.
Gay like he was.

1621
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,840
So that's crazy.
It was called the Michael

1622
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,400
Douglas Suite because that was
his suite that he.

1623
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:08,720
Gotcha, gotcha.
He was like.

1624
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,280
Almost a full floor on like not
the penthouse but like 5 How did

1625
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:13,040
he do?
Is he a good?

1626
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,440
Gambler or is he I?
With they're always.

1627
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:18,080
Liars.
Gamblers are liars.

1628
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,840
So like you can never play he.
Always used to give.

1629
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,440
Me, all the guys who used to go
with, I was the guy who held

1630
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:27,120
their ATM and debit cards.
Yeah, at the beginning of the

1631
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,240
night.
Oh, interesting.

1632
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,480
So that they went.
I didn't gamble.

1633
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,200
Yeah, they knew.
They were like, don't give it to

1634
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,240
us.
We're going to be coming to you

1635
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,400
at 3:00 in the morning asking
you when you take out money and

1636
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,120
don't give it to us, we're going
to rule.

1637
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,040
Did you?
Give it to them or no?

1638
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,800
No, no good for you.
Yeah, it's really it's.

1639
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,520
Black eyes.
Really.

1640
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,080
You're?
Drunk. 3:00 in the morning, it's

1641
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,040
my fault.
Good morning.

1642
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,440
Give it to me like dude, you
told me not to give to him not

1643
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,720
giving it to you.
How far good for you?

1644
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,040
My friends, these are my.
Some of them are cousins.

1645
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,400
Yeah, yeah, it.
Was such a.

1646
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,400
Degeneracy, by the way, it's so,
and I'm looking up now, I always

1647
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,080
see this freaking the Hard Rock.
Like Hard Rock?

1648
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:02,760
By the way, it.
Destroys so many.

1649
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,160
People's lives.
I don't know if you gamble

1650
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,120
really, but like, oh the the.
I don't gamble gambling.

1651
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,320
Destroys lives worse than
anything else, and it's.

1652
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,120
I don't gamble because I'm
scared.

1653
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,520
Me too.
I took my wife to Vegas a year

1654
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:15,840
and a half, almost two years
ago.

1655
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,880
My my grandmother lives there
part time and she has a lot of

1656
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,800
connections over there.
And she hooked us up with a room

1657
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,600
in the the Aria next door to the
Venetian.

1658
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,360
And and I show, I show my wife
how to play craps, right.

1659
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,880
First thing she does, she wins
100 bucks and I'm like, we are

1660
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,200
golden girlfriend.
This is great, you know, and we

1661
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,400
don't play again for two days.
You're like, and we took that

1662
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,800
100 bucks.
We spent, we spent it on tickets

1663
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,920
to a concert.
Chainsmokers are playing in it.

1664
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,400
Had residency in the hotel.
Yeah.

1665
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,800
So we spent 100.
We spent 100 bucks there.

1666
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,400
And I'm like, OK, love, now that
we're up, you know, like, you

1667
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,160
know, like, we're up, you know,
like you're up.

1668
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,600
You win.
You, you, you know, the house

1669
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,160
money is yours.
You're the Conqueror.

1670
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,240
You know, you, you, you're
staying in this beautiful hotel

1671
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:04,840
for nothing.
And they, they just gave you 100

1672
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,360
bucks and a couple of free
tequilas.

1673
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,960
And I was like, and for two
days, I held myself out for a

1674
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,480
day and a half.
I helped myself out from not

1675
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:13,960
going back.
And then before we left, I was

1676
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,480
like, come on.
I love you know how to play.

1677
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,280
Preps Yeah, I.
I played.

1678
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,320
I played a couple of times.
OK, let me.

1679
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,440
Know how to play the It's a fun.
Game it's, I'm extremely, I'm an

1680
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:26,160
extremely conservative guy in
terms of, in terms of the sense

1681
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,600
that I'm extremely risk averse
and I don't like to like a guy

1682
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,240
value my money.
And I look at, I look at it like

1683
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,000
the wreck Exchange for something
that I could be getting.

1684
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:38,320
So like 100 bucks in my bank
account equals 5 great beers

1685
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,800
that I like at a brewery and
like, you know, and the Uber

1686
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,840
back and forth and like, I'm
very happy for $100 to be worth

1687
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,680
that experience, $100 at a craps
table where it's gone in 3

1688
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,880
minutes and I'm, and I walk away
and I'm like, where'd that go?

1689
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,800
It's not a good feeling.
I, I, I, I, I, it's, and it

1690
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,840
happens more often than not.
So I'm I'm not.

1691
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,640
Which by the way, I.
Think I was saved.

1692
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:03,440
The reason I'm not a gambler is
I was 18 years old and we had an

1693
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,440
off shop is from Philly.
Yeah, right.

1694
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,160
And and I I couldn't go to
Savannah.

1695
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,680
It was like too expensive or
whatever.

1696
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,800
And I went to one of my friend's
house in who lived in Elkins

1697
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,040
Park, like Northeast
Philadelphia, and he was like,

1698
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,880
yo, Saturday night we're driving
down to AC to Atlantic City.

1699
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,360
It was like 45 minute drive in
Philly.

1700
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,320
And I was like.
OK, You know, I went with him

1701
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,920
and I think it wasn't, no, it
was blackjack.

1702
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,400
And he explained to me how to
play blackjack, you know, trying

1703
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,240
to get 21 and whatever.
He was like, I'll sit next to

1704
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,280
you.
And I remember I had like saved

1705
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,520
up throughout these Chevy years,
like, I had like 500 bucks,

1706
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,560
$550, you know, yeah, like my
savings.

1707
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,080
Yeah.
And.

1708
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,080
And I brought it.
I brought it.

1709
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,440
I was like, OK, we'll try.
I, I.

1710
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,760
And he was telling, he kept
telling me like double, like I

1711
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,360
lost.
And I was like double down.

1712
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,720
I lost all my money in like 1520
minutes.

1713
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:58,080
Yeah.
And.

1714
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,560
You never want to do it again.
I just remember.

1715
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,000
Like this is the worst thing in
the world.

1716
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:08,040
Like this is so awful.
Like all like years and years of

1717
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:12,520
me saving 50 bucks here, 20
bucks here's 50 bucks here.

1718
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,800
It's gone, it's gone.
And I I read.

1719
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,960
I read an.
Article that I don't know that I

1720
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:22,480
necessarily 100% agree with that
said that a lot of times

1721
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:26,040
gamblers have an addiction to
punishing themselves really, and

1722
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,960
that actually losing is like
part of what it is, a cutter.

1723
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,400
Feel like you deserve?
It like you feel like it's like

1724
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,320
those people like.
Themselves.

1725
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,680
You're a freaking.
Loser.

1726
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:35,920
You're an animal.
You're an idiot.

1727
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,400
And like and like almost like we
have the and I don't know if I

1728
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,160
buy it necessarily.
You know, I don't know if I

1729
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,200
necessarily 100%.
I do believe there are people

1730
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,920
that put themselves in like
challenging and pleasure come.

1731
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,600
From the same part of the
frontal lobe.

1732
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,600
That's why cutters peak, peak
girls who, like, cut them feel.

1733
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,920
Yeah.
It's also, it's like they get

1734
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,600
pleasure out of the pain.
Yeah.

1735
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,600
Yeah.
Pain and pleasure are at the

1736
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,680
same spot in your frontal lobe.
It's interesting.

1737
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,240
So anyway, I was in the I was
in.

1738
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,480
I was in the Mandalay Bay.
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

1739
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,720
So you're.
Having the right time.

1740
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,240
So you're having the right time
for these four years.

1741
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:13,720
The Edds.
No, no, by the way, this what

1742
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,280
we're talking about.
This is my this is what all my

1743
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,120
podcasts are like.
OK, but I mean I'm in the.

1744
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,440
Mandalay Bay, the hotel my
cousin we got comped to have,

1745
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,160
you know, where like they rope
off the front and it was the

1746
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,840
House of Blues, OK, which is in
the lobby there and the roped

1747
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,560
off table service and they had
Redman and Method Man from Wu

1748
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,920
Tang Clan.
We're putting on a concert.

1749
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:39,640
Oh, that means the Wu Tang Clan
was a rap group in the OK OK

1750
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,800
gotcha.
And it was like 7 black dudes

1751
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,680
and two of the main guys was one
guy's name was Method Man and

1752
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,280
one was Red Man.
OK, they're still rappers today,

1753
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,040
OK.
So they.

1754
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:56,520
Were by themselves putting on a
show and I, we were sitting

1755
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,000
right out front and it was like
an empty house.

1756
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,680
And I I remember after it was
like in between sets we were

1757
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,440
drunk as can be.
And my cousin was like, slimy

1758
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,960
you should go up there and rap.
You're better than them, right?

1759
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,400
OK.
And he said that do you?

1760
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,040
Know how to rap?
Yeah, OK, he said that.

1761
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:19,080
Really loud and are you a Kitty?
That's an A.

1762
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:20,160
Raccoon.
That's a raccoon.

1763
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:21,960
That's a huge raccoon.
Yeah.

1764
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:23,400
He's how he just fell out of
that tree.

1765
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:28,880
Yeah, yeah.
So he's like, you should get up

1766
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,040
there and rap.
You're better than these guys,

1767
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,840
right?
They heard him say.

1768
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,480
That heard him say that.
And they're like, yo-yo, White

1769
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:37,720
Bull, You think you're better?
He's like, get up here.

1770
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:45,440
So I knew a rap from 1996 that
Wu Tang Clan, their band brought

1771
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:49,400
in this Jewish guy and he sang a
Holocaust rap.

1772
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:50,680
OK, you.
Knew that.

1773
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,240
And you knew that rap.
Yeah, it was.

1774
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,560
Like Reuven Ben Menachem, yo, my
own blood dragged into the mud

1775
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,000
in my house.
So, you know, it was like

1776
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,480
create.
Like, I remember it back then,

1777
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,000
yeah.
And it was about the Holocaust.

1778
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,800
And I got up.
There and I, I, I was like, give

1779
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,960
me a beat, right?
I was like, give me a beat.

1780
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:13,040
He's like started the beat and I
did the whole thing.

1781
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,720
And I'm.
And both of them were like, yo,

1782
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,560
dude, this white boy, this white
boy could spit.

1783
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:20,840
It was something like that,
right?

1784
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,800
Very impressed by it.
Afterwards they finished their

1785
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,280
set and they came.
We were like only people in the

1786
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,400
VIP section, right?
With like, those red velvet

1787
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,600
ropes, Nobody.
Could come into our.

1788
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,360
Section we had table service and
free booze and like yo-yo, yo,

1789
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,080
where you guys?
And my cousin, by the way, was

1790
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,200
like he's like he he wasn't
starstruck.

1791
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,240
He was just like, who the fuck
are you?

1792
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,640
You know, like he was he would
be like anyone if you met the

1793
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,360
Queen of England, like who the
fuck are you?

1794
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,080
Get out of here.
So he he was like acting like

1795
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,440
that to them.
Yeah, people like that, right?

1796
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:57,280
Those guys.
Liked it?

1797
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,040
Yeah, they liked it.
And they're like, they're like,

1798
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,600
yo-yo, you guys got to come hang
out with us and all bitches

1799
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,360
later, right?
In.

1800
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,680
Our in our room, we're staying
here OK my cousin's like no, no,

1801
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,960
no you need to come to our room,
he said he.

1802
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,760
Said he said it to the to.
Method Man and Redman, right?

1803
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,680
And they're like.
What, you mean your room?

1804
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,680
He's like, we're in the Michael
Douglas suite.

1805
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,680
He's like for real.
So he's like, OK, we'll meet

1806
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:22,760
you.
That we had nicer room than

1807
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,840
them, right?
Anyway, they're like, OK, we'll

1808
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,720
be there in an hour.
And we, we go upstairs, we're

1809
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,040
like pouring drinks or whatever.
An hour later we get a knock on

1810
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,640
the door.
It's like.

1811
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,400
Eight, I mean eight.
They must have been hookers.

1812
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:46,120
I mean these black hookers like
Hoochie, you know what I'm

1813
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:47,400
saying?
Nothing.

1814
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,480
They come in and Method Man and
Redman come in after them, and

1815
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:56,080
one of them was carrying this
glass square mirror like a

1816
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,160
mirror with this like little
mountain of white powder, No.

1817
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,280
Way they come in.
And Method Man is like, aye,

1818
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:04,840
aye.
He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1819
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:05,920
yeah.
This is good.

1820
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,840
This is a good crib.
This is a good crib, man.

1821
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,360
Yo, shit, Look at that view.
It was like, because we have the

1822
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,880
whole floor, you know?
Yeah.

1823
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,640
So they put.
It on the bar and you know, at

1824
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,440
that time, like I had, I smoked
weed a little bit, you know, a

1825
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:24,320
lot, whatever.
I took Adderall a few times, you

1826
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:25,800
know, we took a Percocet.
I was not 2.

1827
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,600
Different compositionally from
coke, from folk, right?

1828
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,320
That's what my.
Cousin convinced me.

1829
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,400
So method they all like.
So the girls, like, cut up, you

1830
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:36,800
know?
Yeah.

1831
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,160
And then method was like, yo,
brah, whatever.

1832
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:41,640
I don't want to say my cousin's
name.

1833
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:48,000
He's like, yo, B, Yeah.
He's like take a hit, you know,

1834
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,000
And my cousin did it.
He's like, he's like this.

1835
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,240
And Method Man was like, this is
the best Colombian shit you will

1836
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,040
ever find in your life.
And my cousin was like, this is

1837
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:59,520
this is amazing.
He's like this.

1838
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,200
He's like, I've never.
It's so like another guy who was

1839
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,080
with us did it and the Method
Man did it and one of the girls

1840
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:11,120
did it and then Redman did it
and like, yo-yo, yo, rapping

1841
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,520
white boy.
Come on, come on.

1842
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:13,680
Right.
Yeah, I was like.

1843
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:15,720
Yeah, I'm not.
It's.

1844
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:16,840
Cocaine like I'm not.
What is it?

1845
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,920
So oh man.
I'm so tentious thinking about

1846
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,040
it.
I'm so tentious thinking.

1847
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,520
Just got it.
He's like, yo-yo, just take,

1848
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,680
man, OK?
He's like, what do they take?

1849
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,040
What do you think to say no to
him?

1850
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:30,880
It was like I.
Could have said no, but you

1851
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,920
know, he commenced.
He's like just take a teeny

1852
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:34,880
bump.
He like cut the line in half,

1853
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,360
right.
And I remember going, he gave me

1854
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,800
like the straw thing and I went
like, like that.

1855
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:45,160
And I had such a crazy like
like.

1856
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,240
React No.
Reaction like to sneeze.

1857
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:51,360
I sneezed and coughed.
It was like that.

1858
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,240
The entire mountain.
No, it's.

1859
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,680
Blue thank you lawyer.
What did they say?

1860
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,440
He was like, wow, he was going
crazy it.

1861
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,520
Must, I don't know, $10,000
worth, Yeah.

1862
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,080
What that was?
Anyway, he had all his girls

1863
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,760
like with spoons in the
carpeting trying to scoop it.

1864
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:09,720
Up.
Scoop it all.

1865
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,560
Up.
I just remember like, like it

1866
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,120
was just like it was so it was
so like I just felt like it went

1867
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:20,120
right up to my eyes and my brain
and like it was like stuck in my

1868
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:21,760
nose and I was like, I've heard
that.

1869
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,480
It's something I felt jittery.
Like, like my, my clenching, my

1870
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:27,080
jaw was clenching.
I was like, what?

1871
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:28,440
Who likes this?
What is?

1872
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:30,320
This it's so.
Interesting you say?

1873
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:34,320
Because I have a friend that
said that he did it once and

1874
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,800
he's like, I did it once and I
haven't done it again.

1875
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,600
He was but.
I've always.

1876
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,520
Wanted to again since that first
time I did it, he's like, it's

1877
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,280
such a dopamine rush and it's
such a hit and it's so.

1878
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:49,600
It's so.
Great.

1879
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,080
He's like, I did it once, I I
never did it again.

1880
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,400
And he goes, but he goes when
you're he goes, you know, when

1881
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,280
you're an addict, he goes like
there's always a little voice in

1882
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,200
the back of your head that's
like, come on, like just go for

1883
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:02,840
it.
Just like just try that one with

1884
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,880
come on, man, like just take a
couple of puffs.

1885
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:06,760
You're fine.
No problem.

1886
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,560
Just do this, do that.
It was.

1887
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,600
Awful.
And then this is 3/3/30 in the

1888
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,480
morning.
Yeah.

1889
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,000
And then I remember like, an
hour or so later, like, you're

1890
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,040
such, like, OK, like, I was
like, jittery and like, yeah,

1891
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,760
grinding my teeth and like, and
then an hour later, like, you

1892
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,480
have such a crash.
That's why you have to, like,

1893
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:26,440
keep bumping it.
Like, keep doing it.

1894
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,920
It's like, my cousin was like,
come on, we got to take another

1895
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:29,560
bump.
Got to take it.

1896
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,080
I was like, what?
No, no, man.

1897
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,280
And like, I remember I couldn't
sleep till, like, 2:00 the next

1898
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,400
afternoon.
What kind of drug?

1899
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:41,080
Who likes this so?
So what do you think that people

1900
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,560
like about it?
I don't know, maybe.

1901
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,880
I did it wrong, I don't.
Know right, I don't really.

1902
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,880
Know OK I.
Mean it's supposed to be like.

1903
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,800
Amphetamine but supposed to be
like, it's like Adderall but

1904
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,440
like all of the Adderall at
once, you know, instead of being

1905
01:27:56,440 --> 01:27:59,880
like time released, maybe like I
liked Adderall like I liked

1906
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,840
amphetamines made me feel, I'm
afraid.

1907
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,080
I I'm not interested in them.
I'm not either.

1908
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,200
But like when I've always been
more.

1909
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,920
Interested in like the
psychedelic and like the

1910
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,080
unknown, like exploring like
different parts of me and like

1911
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,920
like I've always been more
curious on trying to discover

1912
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,760
like uncharted territories more
than like getting the fake

1913
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,040
confidence to be like a book
like ABS kind of like felt like

1914
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,320
you never took an.
Adderall before no.

1915
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,080
Nosing an Adderall.
So I mean like.

1916
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:27,440
I was able to get a crazy amount
of stuff done I won't do.

1917
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:29,520
It because I can get myself in
the zone by myself.

1918
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,920
I worked myself up.
I asked my Roshi.

1919
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,840
Shiva, when after like all this
is, I went to Silver Spring to

1920
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,720
revire my Beyonc��ate.
Oh, isn't.

1921
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,680
He great, amazing.
He's my Rebbe.

1922
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,640
Yeah, yeah, I've, I've listened.
To a bunch of his stuff.

1923
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,360
That's where I ended up.
Instead of going to Lakewood,

1924
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:45,680
he's really.
Excellent.

1925
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,600
Amazing.
He's the best, I'm telling you.

1926
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,040
He's so worldly.
And Tom McCallum Torah, he knows

1927
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,560
everything, everything.
And he's such a, he's such a

1928
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,920
straight thinker.
Anyway I.

1929
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,760
Took an Adderall once.
There was a guy in the sheet,

1930
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,400
but he gave me an Adderall.
I learned for I think 36 hours

1931
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,400
straight.
It was like something crazy and

1932
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,480
I went to a bar and I asked him.
I was like, you know, if I go to

1933
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:09,640
a doctor and get a prescription
for this drug, I could do this

1934
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,080
all the time, learn I could
finish shots in like 6 months.

1935
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,960
Shots is all of the all of the
Talmud, yeah, Helmud, which is

1936
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,800
which generally takes people if
you learn if you if you learn

1937
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,920
one page a day, it takes seven
years and it's struggles to do a

1938
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,720
page a day because it's really
thick.

1939
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:28,880
It's really I was.
Like I could do this in six

1940
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,280
months if I take Adderall if I'm
on amphetamines.

1941
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,000
And he told me his answer was so
nice.

1942
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:40,480
He was like Hashem doesn't want
your fake energy, He wants

1943
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:43,560
whatever you have.
Like the the best thing he wants

1944
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,520
is when you wake up tired.
You're not interested.

1945
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,480
In going to learning, but didn't
you go back to what?

1946
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:51,320
We're saying about about about
like computing and stuff like

1947
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,240
that.
Like that goes back to what

1948
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,520
we're talking about earlier with
like, you know, Garden of Eden,

1949
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,200
like no processes.
There's value in going through

1950
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,480
the process, but.
There's value in the.

1951
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:06,600
Choice of hey, I can do
something that is not

1952
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,280
authentically me to.
And by the way, there's a really

1953
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,400
good argument for that.
I'm not even saying that you

1954
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:13,800
shouldn't do it.
I'm just saying we should think

1955
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,120
about it.
I'm saying that you should think

1956
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,520
like.
If I could snap to.

1957
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,000
Remember the movie Click with
Adam Sandler?

1958
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,320
I don't think I.
Ever saw it?

1959
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:22,880
You never saw it.
You were so limitless.

1960
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,960
Limitless I.
Remember limitless like to me.

1961
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,960
Adderall was like limitless.
It was like a drug that makes

1962
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,880
you a genius.
But by the way, the problem is,

1963
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,400
is that all that learning?
I retained 0 of it.

1964
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,040
Really.
Because you're drugged up.

1965
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:37,600
Yeah.
At the end of the day, you have

1966
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,240
all this energy and faith, but
like, you're not using your real

1967
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:41,760
brain cells.
I'm hosting.

1968
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,360
I'm.
Hosting a debate soon between

1969
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,760
two medical students that are
going to be out of a debate, but

1970
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,000
they're going to be talking when
the student thinks that the

1971
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,800
system's completely screwed up
and has to be completely

1972
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,240
reformed.
Another one is I agree with him.

1973
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,040
And the other one.
Says you need top tier doctors

1974
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,880
to be functioning 100% when
they're at 40% energy.

1975
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,280
And so part of what you're the
rigor, part of the rigor of the

1976
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:11,360
education system in Med school
is is to make sure that you can

1977
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,080
operate at 100% and make those
right decisions.

1978
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,800
When you're coming back from
vacation at 3:00 in the morning

1979
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,520
and you have two hours of sleep
and a mother calls you, she's

1980
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,120
giving birth, you have to be on
your game.

1981
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,120
Half of these.
MD's getting through school,

1982
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:25,000
they're all on amphetamines,
they all have to take Adderall

1983
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,720
to get through and to study all
night.

1984
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:31,040
They retain 0.
Knowledge 0 These doctors, they

1985
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,280
remember nothing and do we are.
Are there studies that yes,

1986
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,720
examine, examine, I mean use?
In medical school students.

1987
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,400
Yeah, yes, the cousin.
I have a different cousin.

1988
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,080
Yeah.
From Teaneck, OK.

1989
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,600
The two of them are doctors.
They were.

1990
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,400
They went to Med school to
Albert Einstein and yeah, yeah,

1991
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,120
both of them got hooked on
amphetamines, had to go to rehab

1992
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,080
to get off of it.
So let's talk about.

1993
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,400
That Let's talk about
amphetamines, let's talk about

1994
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,600
the opioid.
Opioids are the.

1995
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,720
Worst amphetamines are like I
never got addicted to

1996
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,760
amphetamines I just enjoyed them
if I had them.

1997
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,600
It made me like when I used to
buy tax deeds in Atlanta.

1998
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,360
Amphetamines and opioids.
Are very similar though aren't

1999
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,120
they?
Chemically they're extremely

2000
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,520
similar to 1.
I mean because they hit.

2001
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,760
They hit dopamine receptors and
they increase serotonin, but

2002
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,520
like opioids, it hijacks your
frontal lobe.

2003
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,320
Amphetamines hit a different
area so you have different

2004
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,000
things where to go.
Explain can you?

2005
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,640
Explain the difference or try
to.

2006
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,320
If not, then we could.
I don't know from a.

2007
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:28,200
Pharmacological perspective.
I don't know if I'm OK.

2008
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:29,680
No problem.
Fine expert in it but.

2009
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,720
As personal use, right?
Yeah, sure, like opiates.

2010
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:37,280
Are it's just, it's pure bliss.
It's pure.

2011
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,000
It's removal.
It's removal from.

2012
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,320
It's just like.
Nothing matters and and opioids

2013
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:43,920
are.
Typically, Typically speaking

2014
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,160
are pain meds, Vicodin,
Percocet.

2015
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,760
It does.
It takes care of pain.

2016
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,760
It for sure it does, but it also
right.

2017
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,720
But that's what people are.
Referring to when you say when

2018
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,680
you say opioids, pain meds,
Percocet.

2019
01:32:53,680 --> 01:33:00,640
Vicodin, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone,
morphine, morphine sulfate,

2020
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,440
Dilaudid are the Sackler.
'S are the Sackler's a terrible

2021
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:04,400
family.
Terrible.

2022
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:05,520
Terrible.
Horrible.

2023
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,480
Right, they lied to the.
FDA, I think it could be used

2024
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:11,520
for anything, these actual that
should have been used for cancer

2025
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,800
patients at the end of life.
That's it.

2026
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,080
And they put a little.
Film around the the pill and

2027
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:19,200
said that they couldn't be
abused the film if you took a

2028
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,400
paper towel and put it under
some hot water and then rub the

2029
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,920
pill, the film came off.
What's the What's?

2030
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:26,960
In that it was like a film that
was.

2031
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,600
Supposed to make it time
released and not and and like

2032
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,360
avoid abuse but it made once you
rub that film off it was instant

2033
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:35,760
release and you which is why
people crush it.

2034
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,640
Oh, that's why people crush it.
Oh, when you crush.

2035
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,360
Something it's instant release.
Wow, I didn't know that.

2036
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:43,960
Yeah, yeah.
It doesn't have to go through

2037
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:45,560
your digestive system and break
up.

2038
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,600
It's right to your brain.
So what was your?

2039
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,120
Experience with it with opiates?
Yeah, so I had a surgery.

2040
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:52,280
I had.
How old are you?

2041
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,080
A big golfer.
I was 31.

2042
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,920
OK, I had I was a big golfer.
I tore my meniscus in two places

2043
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,600
and I went to a surgeon,
orthopedic surgeon.

2044
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,320
He's like, I can't see you for a
couple of months.

2045
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,400
Here's a bucket.
It wasn't, it wasn't like a

2046
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,920
pillow case like this, right.
Like, yeah, pillow cases.

2047
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,080
It was the bucket ones.
Yeah.

2048
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:13,320
They're.
The ones you got in class go

2049
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:15,440
right like the big ones.
OK.

2050
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,800
And there were hundreds in there
Hunt like of 30 milligram.

2051
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:21,960
No way.
Hey, you just wrote that.

2052
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,320
For you, Yeah, yeah.
Like not a 10 milligram

2053
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,320
Percocet, not even a 5 milligram
Percocet.

2054
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,560
The 30s that were the teeny
little blue ones.

2055
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,160
It didn't even have Tylenol.
Blues, Blues are Blues, Blues

2056
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,160
and Blues are accord.
I read a book about this

2057
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:36,320
recently.
I'll give you the book if you

2058
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:37,440
want.
I'll show you the book after.

2059
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,520
It's a fight with between the
DEA and the pharmaceutical

2060
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:44,480
companies about opioids and
Florida was a big spot for huge

2061
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:45,720
pill.
Mills here, yeah.

2062
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:51,440
And, and I think one, one of
those Blues was equivalent to a

2063
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:53,520
hit of heroin.
Yeah, according to, according to

2064
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:58,040
that author, So people.
So you he gave you, he gave you

2065
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,600
a container of heroin pills
basically.

2066
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:01,480
And.
It was like, take it as

2067
01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:04,760
prescribed, which was every four
to six hours, take one for pain,

2068
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,920
which I did.
I literally like, I didn't abuse

2069
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,160
it.
You just did what the?

2070
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,240
Doctor told you did it.
As a doctor told me.

2071
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,760
I.
I went for my surgery.

2072
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,960
I got it, you know, and I had
run out and he gave me a few

2073
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,120
more like, but it was a regular
pill bottle.

2074
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,760
And I was like, OK, he's like,
you know, this is just for

2075
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,600
healing.
And after I ran out of the

2076
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,800
bottle, I like, my whole body
started shutting down.

2077
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,160
Like I'd know it.
I was shitting myself.

2078
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:35,080
I couldn't hold in my bowels.
I was shaking, sweating,

2079
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,240
freezing hot.
What was that?

2080
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:38,320
What was?
That experience like that's

2081
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:39,200
called withdrawal.
Yeah.

2082
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:39,960
What was that?
What was?

2083
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,240
That like awful hell.
Like did you know you were going

2084
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:43,120
to do?
Withdrawal or were you like

2085
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,800
what's wrong with me not at. 1st
I had no idea what was going on.

2086
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,440
What did you think was?
Going on, if that happened to

2087
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:48,480
you, I thought I would have
thought I was dying.

2088
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:50,120
I went to the doctor.
I was like, I feel like I'm

2089
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,680
dying.
And I told him my symptoms.

2090
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,240
He's like, oh, you're an addict.
He said you're a drug.

2091
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:58,080
Addict, you need to go to rehab.
I was like, what?

2092
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,600
I was like, this is I was like,
you gave me these pills.

2093
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:03,880
Like, what does that mean?
Yeah.

2094
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,360
So I remember like.
By the way, that was like when I

2095
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,840
lost all faith in doctors.
Like they don't know anything.

2096
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,360
They're just they push pills and
they're just trying to mask

2097
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,680
symptoms and they're not getting
a lot of anything about health.

2098
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,640
They don't know anything about
nutrition or or any, you know

2099
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:18,160
what I mean?
Like.

2100
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,160
So.
I was like, I'm just going to

2101
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,720
suffer like like I was started
Googling how to get through

2102
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:29,800
withdrawals guys like grapefruit
juice and and what what's it

2103
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,440
called the Imodium diarrhea Like
he had all these different

2104
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:35,320
things to like help for each
symptom.

2105
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,720
Were you?
Taking them I tried.

2106
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,000
It it was like alleviated a
little bit.

2107
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,840
I didn't sleep for weeks.
Like that was the worst part.

2108
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,840
It was like, and you're so
tired, but like you just can't

2109
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:48,720
sleep.
Like I guess that's insomnia.

2110
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,600
Like, I don't wish that on my
worst nightmare.

2111
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,280
And you're just up and you're
just like, you feel everything.

2112
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:56,680
You feel muscles in your body
that you didn't even know you

2113
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,200
had.
You know, because everything was

2114
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:01,280
numb for the past three months.
And I.

2115
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,880
Remember, I suffered, suffered
and.

2116
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,960
And then and.
Then like I remember like after

2117
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:13,880
like a couple weeks, I like was
over, like a over like a hump

2118
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,160
and things that felt like
starting to get better, you

2119
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,960
know, And it was like that
reprieve that was like, Oh my

2120
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:21,680
God, thank God.
You know.

2121
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:25,200
And it helped me get through.
And then a couple months later,

2122
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,280
I remember, I don't know what
happened, but like, I was just

2123
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:32,160
like, I really want, like, a
Percocet, Like, I really want,

2124
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,320
like a balloon, you know?
Yeah.

2125
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,760
Like Oh my God, to newbies like
that'll.

2126
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,480
Just be 1.
Was something that said.

2127
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,640
Was there anything that set off
that I don't know I.

2128
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:41,680
Don't.
I honestly don't know.

2129
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,320
And it was just like, because
you're ever thinking.

2130
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:44,560
That you're ever thinking like
a.

2131
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:49,000
Craving out of nowhere and I was
like what?

2132
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,560
And I remember like.
I remember start calling people,

2133
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,840
texting people, Hey, do you have
this?

2134
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,760
I remember a guy who got hit by
a bus and he was like prescribed

2135
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,760
to these and he hooked me up
with a couple and like I went to

2136
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,600
a movie with him and like, I was
like drug seeking.

2137
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,440
Yeah, you know, And I was like,
what?

2138
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:07,800
And then I was like, what am I
doing?

2139
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,080
And then all of a sudden, like I
remember taking a few of them

2140
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,320
and I wasn't like the withdrawal
was coming back.

2141
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,240
And I was like, what?
What did I just do to myself?

2142
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,880
And why did I do this?
And I started researching more

2143
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,040
and a friend of mine was like,
who who had gone through this?

2144
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,240
He was like, you got to get on
methadone or Suboxone.

2145
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:25,600
What is that?
It's.

2146
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:30,840
It's like an opioid agonist.
It's buprenorphine or or is

2147
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,200
Subutex or whatever.
It's methadone.

2148
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:37,720
It's basically when you do, when
you do opiates, you grow opiate

2149
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,920
receptors in your brain that
were never there that are

2150
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,840
looking.
To they're looking to be filled

2151
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:46,760
in, right?
So more so this methadone and

2152
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:50,520
Suboxone, it basically fills in
their opioids, but you don't get

2153
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:55,040
the high It's so it's so fills.
Those, but without those so you

2154
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:56,960
don't go through.
Withdrawal but you're not

2155
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,240
getting high, but it's it's like
10 times stronger than regular

2156
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:05,760
opiates in terms.
Of the chemical right OK, so I I

2157
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,120
quickly found.
Out that like it's it's more

2158
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,760
impossible to get off of
Suboxone or methadone than it is

2159
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,920
to get off of heroin.
Like it's it's easier heroin

2160
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:18,000
than Suboxone really so.
This guy give you the wrong

2161
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,440
advice?
Well, no.

2162
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,200
All drug addicts today, this is
the medically assisted

2163
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:23,920
treatment.
This is all of them are on

2164
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,680
Suboxone like they're screwed
and or methadone, they're

2165
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:28,920
screwed.
That's why the answer is iboga

2166
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,320
is ibogate.
It's the only thing that's going

2167
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:32,880
to help you.
All these people are still on

2168
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,320
opiates.
They're all still opiate

2169
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:35,560
addicts.
They're just not getting high

2170
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,480
and they're on maintenance.
Maintenance depending on it.

2171
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:39,640
Dependent on it total
dependence.

2172
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,400
They call it Hurricane Harvey
hit Houston.

2173
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,240
One of the biggest?
Stories was the methadone

2174
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,880
clinics that were shut down
because we're at Hurricane

2175
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:48,840
Harvey.
Remember that hurricane?

2176
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,040
It was like over Houston, TX
when was last?

2177
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,160
Recent weeks?
No, it was.

2178
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:57,360
Like 7-8 years ago OK it lasted
weeks they had no power flooding

2179
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,800
the method of the drug addicts
all ended up going back on

2180
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,640
terrible because the methadone
clinics were closed wow all was

2181
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,400
they're all relapsed we're.
Easy with but.

2182
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,880
It's not even relapsed.
It's the continued They never

2183
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:09,080
broke.
They never broke that addiction

2184
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:13,160
exactly so.
So I got back on pills to get

2185
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:17,000
off of suboxone and it was just
like I'm in this like crazy loop

2186
01:40:17,480 --> 01:40:18,920
of.
Of and at this point.

2187
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:20,280
You have responsibilities?
Yeah.

2188
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:21,880
My wife is like, what do you?
What the fuck?

2189
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:23,560
What are you doing?
Would you?

2190
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,520
So what?
Do you do as I told her I.

2191
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:29,920
Said I feel.
I'm sorry, I don't want to cut

2192
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,680
you off.
I feel enormous out of pressure

2193
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:36,960
on a day-to-day basis when I,
you know, when I have a family

2194
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:42,400
to just be there, you know,
like, forget about fighting

2195
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:46,000
something like an opioid, you
know, you know, like it's so

2196
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:49,360
because it's chemical, it's your
body depends on it, right?

2197
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,360
I don't know how.
I don't know how I'd be able to

2198
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:55,200
like, I mean, what was your head
space like?

2199
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:58,240
I was a great father.
When I had my pills, what was

2200
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:01,160
your head space?
Like it was only I was becoming.

2201
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,680
Hard to deal with when I didn't
have my pill, the pills, but

2202
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:04,640
when?
You had it, you were fine.

2203
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,960
That was great.
I, I actually, I think it was a

2204
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,880
better father.
Like I, I felt like I had so

2205
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,800
much energy and I was so happy
and I was like, let's go do

2206
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,360
stuff.
Let's.

2207
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,560
Let's go, let's go.
So you're almost.

2208
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,520
Like conflicting because you're
like, oh, I feel like I'm a good

2209
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,680
dad at this and like, but it
wasn't even.

2210
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,200
Like I was no, but I understood.
My wife trusted me.

2211
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,960
She's like, I know you're smart.
I know you're going to figure

2212
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:28,440
this out.
And I she knew the whole story.

2213
01:41:28,440 --> 01:41:30,760
I was like, the doctors got me
on to this where I'm going to go

2214
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,440
to doctors and I'm not going to
don't lock me up in a drug rehab

2215
01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:37,360
for eight months.
Like I have my own locked up

2216
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,520
issues from yeshiva.
Yeah, you know, like, yeah, I'm

2217
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:45,440
not going somewhere without.
And, and I finally discovered

2218
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:49,840
that like Ibogaine, that there's
this psychedelic drug who

2219
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,960
introduced you to some drug
addicts, some heroin addicts

2220
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,600
really like if you, if they're
like, if you're rich and you

2221
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,360
want to get off of heroin, you
go to Mexico or Costa Rica and

2222
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,160
you do Iboga.
Wow, that's.

2223
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:03,760
What they said they know that
it's common knowledge.

2224
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:04,600
Yeah, yeah.
But they're.

2225
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:05,800
Like, we're not.
We can't afford it.

2226
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,360
So you got Medicaid drug rehabs
here.

2227
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,800
That's just a scam.
It's just a revolving door.

2228
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,560
We go there for three months, we
leave, we relapse.

2229
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,440
We come back two months later.
It's like, this is our life.

2230
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,320
Yeah.
I was like, really?

2231
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,760
And I heard this from like two
people, three people, then four

2232
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,000
people.
I was like, what?

2233
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,080
I started researching it.
I'm like watching these

2234
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:26,600
documentaries.
Have you ever thought about?

2235
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:28,600
Psychedelics before that?
Never you.

2236
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:28,920
Never.
Were.

2237
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:30,320
Interested in them?
You never thought anything about

2238
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:31,360
them?
I was.

2239
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,040
Always scared of them because
like my whole thing is my brain,

2240
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,800
it's like my mind and my
cognitive ability.

2241
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,000
And I was, I was always like, I
don't know, like LSD, like you

2242
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:44,640
go crazy and you know, it's like
you might, you'll go out of your

2243
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,160
mind and never come back.
And yeah, because you go to the

2244
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:52,520
jungle playing a banjo and I was
like, but.

2245
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,680
So I was.
Like I was very scared about

2246
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,120
doing it.
I found a Doctor Who had done

2247
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,360
research on it.
He recommended a place.

2248
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,280
He introduced me to Deborah
Mesh, who's the head of

2249
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,000
neurobiology at University of
Miami.

2250
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,560
Recommended.
I want to get in touch with her.

2251
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,720
I want to talk to her, too.
OK, Yeah, She's this podcast.

2252
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:12,200
All the time, yeah.
I would love.

2253
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:16,800
To talk, to look around.
Yeah, Deborah Nash mash with

2254
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:17,760
him.
MMM.

2255
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,200
Yeah.
So I went to Mexico.

2256
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:26,400
I did ibogaine, it was such a
crazy, crazy experience.

2257
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,880
I guess first of all I think bad
trips.

2258
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,880
Wait, so you go to?
Mexico you land in Mexico and

2259
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,120
you meet the group there at the
airport or you go to take you

2260
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:35,640
take a cab to the What do you do
They had.

2261
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:39,800
They had a shuttle pick up, pick
me up Mexican dude and and.

2262
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,280
And who are you with myself?
How big?

2263
01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:43,960
How big is the group that you're
that you're tripping?

2264
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:45,600
I didn't go with the.
Group you went by yourself.

2265
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:47,720
But like.
There was like whenever someone

2266
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:49,200
comes to the airport, they'll
pick you up.

2267
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:53,840
OK, That was by myself.
I was there with a fashion

2268
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:58,960
designer from LA.
Yeah, with a Kennedy girl.

2269
01:43:59,480 --> 01:44:02,200
OK.
Like wealthy para 1 addicts.

2270
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:06,440
Yeah, with a Mellon.
Andrew Mellon from Mellon Bank

2271
01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:08,640
in New York.
OK, you know Mellon Bank?

2272
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:10,080
No.
You've heard of Mellon?

2273
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:12,640
No.
Chase, I think it was used to be

2274
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:13,960
Chase Mellon.
Oh, really?

2275
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,160
Yeah.
Like Mellon's like, big banking

2276
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:16,880
family.
OK.

2277
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,720
Like very wealthy people who
were trying to get off heroin.

2278
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:25,200
They were all there and I think
I had a very bad trip because

2279
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,880
like, I was so scared, you know?
And it's like doing a

2280
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:31,640
psychedelic.
You have to be in a safe Mexico.

2281
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,280
I don't know where I am.
I'm in a Mexican clinic, you

2282
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,280
know, like, am I going to do
this?

2283
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,000
What were the people?
Like, were they kind?

2284
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,320
Were they They seemed nice to
me.

2285
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:41,560
Everyone's just.
Mexican, you know How is their

2286
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,040
English?
The head.

2287
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:47,320
Doctor, he had OK English.
Then there was a night doctor.

2288
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:48,160
So when you're doing.
This.

2289
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:49,880
When you're doing this, there
was a.

2290
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:55,240
Doctor like 2 nurses and like
house staff, you know a chef.

2291
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,720
And yeah, I was getting my food
sent in from Chabad of Cancun.

2292
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:00,640
I heard they're great.
Yeah.

2293
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:03,400
Cleaning people.
There was a masseuse that I

2294
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:05,000
like.
I didn't want her to touch me.

2295
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:06,600
I was, like, bugging out.
Yeah.

2296
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,040
And I was like, I was always
scared.

2297
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:09,680
I was like, am I going to take
this psychedelic?

2298
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:11,640
And I'm going to wake up and,
like, my kidneys are going to be

2299
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:12,760
gone.
Yeah.

2300
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:14,920
Yeah.
In Mexico.

2301
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:16,440
So what was it like?
So you took it.

2302
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:17,880
What is it?
It's a liquid.

2303
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:20,760
It's a pill.
It's a pill, it's a powder like

2304
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,680
it's hydrochloride.
So they take the iboga route and

2305
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,160
they basically make it
hydrochloride which putting in

2306
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:30,680
hydrochloric acid until it
breaks down to its fundamental

2307
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,600
core.
It'll take a huge thing of Iboga

2308
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,960
barp and you can literally fill
it fit into like a pill with a

2309
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:42,800
white powder took that you know,
and then they put music on you

2310
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:44,440
and a blind what kind of music
we listening.

2311
01:45:44,440 --> 01:45:47,000
To it was like.
Amazonian weird music like it

2312
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,600
was bugging me out.
Would you have rather?

2313
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:49,440
Chosen the music.
Yeah.

2314
01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:50,840
Yeah.
What would you have listened to?

2315
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,960
I don't know.
I don't know, you know, when I

2316
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:56,760
took.
LSD I listened to Astral.

2317
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,160
I listen to Van Morrison's
Astral Weeks.

2318
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,840
You know that, you know, that
album, credible album.

2319
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,840
I love Van Morrison.
And then I listen, I want to

2320
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,120
listen to a Grateful Dead
concert because I know that the

2321
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:11,200
Grateful Dead concert formula,
like the structure of the

2322
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:14,600
concert matches a psychedelic
trip in the sense that at the

2323
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:16,680
beginning it's all light and
easy and breezy.

2324
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:18,680
And then it gets a little
heavier and then it gets a

2325
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:20,800
little darker.
And then like kind of like it

2326
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:25,320
kind of goes into like this like
mystical realm, like where they

2327
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:29,040
call it space or they play a
song called Dark Star or the

2328
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,720
other one.
And like it's intentionally just

2329
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,400
like the farthest out that you
can get.

2330
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,440
And they're like, we didn't even
know where the music goes.

2331
01:46:36,440 --> 01:46:39,000
And we just like we get lost and
then like we kind of just

2332
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,800
somewhere out there, we just
kind of find each other again

2333
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,360
and then we just kind of pull
each other back into reality

2334
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,040
again.
But that's a that they call that

2335
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:50,320
the ego, the ego loss phase of
of a psychedelic trip that

2336
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:53,000
people say that when you go
through a trip, like there's a

2337
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:55,720
dark side of that trip where
like you lose your sense of like

2338
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,920
ego and sense of self and like
you almost die and become one

2339
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:02,240
with everything.
And that oneness allows you to

2340
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:06,040
kind of that that allows you the
new perspective that emerges

2341
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,000
from it.
And then they always end the

2342
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,320
concert with songs like singing
back home or like, like back

2343
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,000
where you're turning back to
yourself after you've been lost

2344
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,600
and rediscovered again.
I have to re.

2345
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,400
Listen to Grateful Dead send you
some.

2346
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,200
Great concerts, this their
playlist.

2347
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:22,040
Actually did that.
Like it started off like light,

2348
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,560
you know, Amazonian beats and
whatever and like rain and

2349
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,280
stuff.
And then it started getting

2350
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,800
darker and it was like there was
a certain point where it was

2351
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,760
like it.
Was like these like?

2352
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:33,720
Voices.
Yeah.

2353
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,560
And what?
Were you, what were you

2354
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,200
experiencing, Terrified.
I was What were you seeing?

2355
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:39,720
What were you?
What were you experiencing?

2356
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,400
What were you visualizing, what
you're feeling?

2357
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:43,560
What were you doing?
It took like 30. 5 minutes or so

2358
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:49,680
to kick in and and I you start
hearing your senses get so crazy

2359
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:52,120
heightened.
It's like you hear everything.

2360
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:56,200
Like I was hearing the machines
like the beeps I was hearing air

2361
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,400
conditioning unit turning on,
turning on like meaning things

2362
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,440
that like you wouldn't
ordinarily hear is very quiet.

2363
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:06,000
Like it was like A at some point
I thought I heard the universe

2364
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,320
expanding.
Like the sound of it, like it

2365
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:13,200
was like a.
You.

2366
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,400
Go.
You start like it's shot out

2367
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:17,560
into space.
I remember like you're shot out

2368
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,520
of your body and then what do
you mean you?

2369
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:23,240
Shot out of your body.
It's just like you close your

2370
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,200
eyes and like, it just feels
like you're flying, you know?

2371
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,120
Yeah, I can't.
That's really what I can

2372
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:29,960
describe it.
It's like, But by the way, with

2373
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,640
Iboga, if you open your eyes,
you're back in reality.

2374
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,520
Yeah, you're back.
Like I don't think it's like, so

2375
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:36,400
you're supposed to keep your
eyes.

2376
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,280
Closed right, that's what they.
Put a mask on.

2377
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,720
But like, I sort of get scared
and things like, are they gonna

2378
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:43,000
like, they're still in touch
with me?

2379
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:45,640
And I was like, are you cutting
my kidneys out?

2380
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:47,560
You know?
And I, like, lifted up my mask

2381
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:50,560
and was just like a nurse.
Like, she's like putting my

2382
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,640
magnesium drip.
So I didn't dehydrate.

2383
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:59,040
So I mean I.
I met an entity and I think it

2384
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:00,840
was a Moloch.
Like he called me by my full

2385
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,720
Hebrew name, as weird as can be,
and he's like, what are you

2386
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:05,560
doing here?
That's what he asked you.

2387
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:06,960
What'd you say?
I said.

2388
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,480
I'm.
Here for refuel, I'm here to for

2389
01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:12,080
healing.
And he said, what's the problem,

2390
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:15,160
you know and like.
And then he just like he.

2391
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:19,360
Showed me like, it was just like
so clear, like everything in my

2392
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,760
life and my history, my
grandparents, my parents.

2393
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:26,800
It's like through my DNA,
showing everything that built me

2394
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:31,000
up to who I am today and to have
and yeah.

2395
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,200
And like how everyone tried
their best and, and it's, it's

2396
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:36,400
everything will be fine.
And, and all I have to do is

2397
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,360
have the resilience and the
willpower to to go down this

2398
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:41,960
road of light.
And this road was like, it was

2399
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:45,560
paved with like skulls and
bones, like the ground was.

2400
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,160
And it just ended.
Like you couldn't like, it just

2401
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,960
ended in blackness, you know?
And the other one looked like it

2402
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,800
was just like went on forever
into light.

2403
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,720
And it was like a clear choice
and was like, these are your

2404
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:57,840
choices.
It's like that.

2405
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,280
That was the trip.
Like from a neurobiological

2406
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,640
perspective, what Deborah Mash
is looking at is that it, it

2407
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,960
like it coats over all the grown
opiate receptors.

2408
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:07,080
It kill.
It destroys them.

2409
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:09,840
It resets your brain circuitry.
Get out.

2410
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:14,480
Yeah, so it's like after doing
that, I won't even take an

2411
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:16,760
Advil.
Like, I know I smoke cigarettes,

2412
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,560
but like this like, but I want a
pharmaceutical drug.

2413
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:21,160
And that's why, like I always
tell myself, like, you got to

2414
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,520
kick this.
But like a pharmacy.

2415
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:25,160
Do you think you know?
You think you know the trip to

2416
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:26,840
I'll cook it.
I want to do psilocybin.

2417
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:30,080
They say is really good for
those to stop smoking.

2418
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:31,720
Well, if you.
Want to if you want your own

2419
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,720
company phone company yeah, if
I.

2420
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,800
Have a lot of souls happen yeah,
if you.

2421
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:39,920
Have if you want company.
I've been thinking I've been

2422
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:44,320
thinking I want to do a trip now
that I'm a data too, and I think

2423
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,520
a lot of my life has been
changing and I think I want to

2424
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:51,360
be able to I want to I want to
explore below the surface of

2425
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:54,480
what I of what I feel about it.
Hey let me know when.

2426
01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:57,160
It were, yeah.
Yeah, it happened.

2427
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,240
I'm really excited.
I really want.

2428
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:04,240
I really.
I really want to.

2429
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:07,560
I really want to do it.
I really think it it, it opens

2430
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,400
up.
So to me, what it did was like,

2431
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:15,480
there's a blockage between like
my neshama and my physical mind.

2432
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:19,480
And this, this opened it up.
And it was like you just.

2433
01:51:19,480 --> 01:51:23,200
Had a it was just like, it was
like a blood clot, you know,

2434
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,560
between your neshama and it just
it removed the clot how things

2435
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,360
were free flowing.
And I just felt.

2436
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:33,280
Like afterwards, I mean first of
all I was tripping for probably

2437
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:36,680
2 weeks later every time I
closed my eyes the.

2438
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:38,960
Receptors were still no just
from the.

2439
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:44,000
Iboga, every time I close my
eyes for like at least a week

2440
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:48,560
later, I would be getting like
flashes of stuff, you know?

2441
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,040
And even during the day, if my
eyes were open, sometimes I

2442
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,160
would feel like these things
were flying by.

2443
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:55,240
Yeah, I know.
What you're talking about, Yeah,

2444
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:56,720
Yeah, Yeah.
You know, you're familiar.

2445
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:58,360
You get the sense that there's
something in your peripheral

2446
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,000
vision that's kind of like
moving past you, right?

2447
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:01,400
You're like, you're like broken.
It's not there.

2448
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:02,480
Yeah.
So like I was.

2449
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:05,560
Having that for a couple weeks,
but I remember like my wife told

2450
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,360
me, like I came back and I was
like a totally different person.

2451
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:09,280
But it's, you know, was it, was
it?

2452
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:11,800
Scary to her was it.
Scary to her was it?

2453
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,880
Oh, totally.
Because I I, I don't even know

2454
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,760
how I made it back.
Like they wanted me to stay

2455
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:18,920
there for 10 days, right?
You started.

2456
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:21,720
From 7 you said right?
I stayed there for. 6 I went

2457
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:24,000
Sunday morning and I was like, I
have to be back for Shabbos.

2458
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,200
Yeah.
So I took like a I had like an

2459
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:29,320
8:00 AM flight from Cancun
Friday morning back to Miami.

2460
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,840
The program wasn't done.
Right, it wasn't they.

2461
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,560
Want they needed to monitor you
longer like.

2462
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:40,920
And I, I was still, I guess
still tripping out like Major.

2463
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:42,840
I don't remember getting to the
airport.

2464
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,320
I don't remember taking luggage
you made you with.

2465
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:47,600
Yeah.
I remember being.

2466
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:50,320
Freezing And I was on American
Airlines and they I was in a

2467
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:54,080
wheelchair and an American
Airlines stewardess, you know,

2468
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:55,480
they have like those little
sweaters.

2469
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:57,760
She took her sweater and put it
over me.

2470
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:01,120
And.
When I landed, I don't, I don't,

2471
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:04,200
I don't know.
And I just like ended up and my

2472
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:05,920
wife apparently like I had lost
my phone.

2473
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,920
She was trying to call me and
call me and I had lost it like a

2474
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:11,480
couple days before.
No idea.

2475
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:13,560
Like, wasn't interested in the
phone.

2476
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:17,680
Yeah, she thought I was dead for
two days, really.

2477
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,680
And then I like, knocked on the
dinner on Friday afternoon and

2478
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:23,000
you're home.
And she's like.

2479
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:26,560
I looked like deaf, like I
looked pale, like my eyes were

2480
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,440
like black really.
And she's like I went.

2481
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:30,280
I can see.
That's why.

2482
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:32,480
I can see why it's scary to
people, right?

2483
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,680
And, and she's like, I came home
and I got into bed and I woke up

2484
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,600
like Sunday afternoon.
Like Friday.

2485
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,480
Afternoon I slept till like
Sunday afternoon.

2486
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,680
Wow.
And you don't.

2487
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:48,160
Remember much of that.
Zero.

2488
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:51,880
I don't know how I got back.
Wow.

2489
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,480
But the sense.
But since then me and then.

2490
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:56,240
So then what happens?
So you wake up Sunday and then

2491
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:58,760
you're and you're and you're
like, I never want to do this

2492
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:00,000
again.
And you stopped cold Turkey.

2493
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:00,760
What'd you do?
Yeah.

2494
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:02,080
Oh no.
No, I was done.

2495
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:05,520
I was like, I remember the day
after they don't give you the

2496
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:09,600
Iboga until like you start going
through a little withdrawal and

2497
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:11,600
I were going through withdrawal
a little bit and I'm telling you

2498
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:12,840
like I'm ready.
I'm ready, I'm ready.

2499
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:15,560
Like OK, OK, maybe another hour.
They're like pushing me.

2500
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:19,560
And then after doing it like
after the trip, the initial trip

2501
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:21,400
was over.
I remember just like.

2502
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:24,600
I was just lying in my.
Room just being like I have no

2503
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:26,960
withdrawal whatsoever.
I was like I'm.

2504
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:28,280
Free.
Wow.

2505
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:30,880
It was like, it was it was such
like a liberating feeling.

2506
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:34,160
And not only that, but like I
never, ever wanted to take a

2507
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:37,400
pill again.
Like I saw that skull and bones.

2508
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:38,000
Yeah.
Path.

2509
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:39,720
Path.
Like, it was vivid.

2510
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:41,160
It's still vivid in my mind.
Yeah.

2511
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:45,360
And I was like, don't, I would
never, as I was telling you, I

2512
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,760
would even get a thing that says
opiate allergic.

2513
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,480
Yeah, a bracelet in case like
God forbid something happens

2514
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:53,360
like not to have.
To be able to get anymore.

2515
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,680
So just to change.
Like it totally changed my whole

2516
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:58,560
perspective on things.
I called my parents like I had

2517
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:01,360
been like in a little bit of
falling out with them about

2518
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:03,680
stuff and.
I apologize.

2519
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,840
To them, I like explain to them
stories that I'd seen about them

2520
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:09,600
and about their parents and what
they.

2521
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,480
Say they were like, blunt.
They were like, I've never heard

2522
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,680
you talk like this before.
Like this is so amazing.

2523
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:19,600
It's so amazing.
But yeah, forgave a lot.

2524
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:22,960
Of people in my life moved on
like realized like provided a

2525
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,720
new perspective.
Everything is like, yeah.

2526
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,160
You see that everything is about
love, that like we're all

2527
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:30,920
organisms with nature and each
other and we're all supposed to

2528
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:32,760
be symbiotic.
So that feeling.

2529
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:35,520
Fade because I know that when I
took LSDI felt that way but then

2530
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,960
it faded after X amount of time.
That's what I.

2531
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:40,560
Think I begin is different and I
had that feeling on ayahuasca.

2532
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,160
I did ayahuasca too.
I had that feeling, but that

2533
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:44,840
feeling went away after a couple
of weeks.

2534
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,880
Yeah, you have to like do it
again for some reason.

2535
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:49,760
Iboga, I don't know, maybe more
intense.

2536
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,240
Maybe they just.
Dosed me high.

2537
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:54,120
I don't know, maybe for opiate
addiction they dos me high, but

2538
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:59,080
like it was God willing, we'll
be bringing it to FDA approval

2539
01:55:59,080 --> 01:55:59,760
and this.
Yeah.

2540
01:55:59,960 --> 01:56:02,600
So you somehow how do you go?
How did you decide to go about

2541
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:03,600
that and what do you do about
it?

2542
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:06,000
I came back and it was.
Like a couple months later and

2543
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,800
I'm just like, this is so
amazing.

2544
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,400
Like, and I had owned drug
rehabs myself too.

2545
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,280
So at that point you.
Were already owning drug rehab

2546
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:18,160
and how did you get into that?
I mean, cousin, one of my

2547
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:21,480
cousins was into it.
My family's in healthcare, OK.

2548
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:24,400
I had a lot of friends who were
addicted to stuff and like, I

2549
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:26,720
don't know, I just felt like it
was a So what are?

2550
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:27,600
You doing?
You're doing management

2551
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,960
administration.
Yeah, I own. 3 facilities and I

2552
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:34,280
had operators and you know, we
took care of what was it like.

2553
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:39,200
Dealing with the paperwork and
the yellow, the yellow tape,

2554
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:41,640
it's a pain in the.
Nose how do you do it with

2555
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,440
insurance companies and they do
you do it.

2556
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:45,880
Personally or you hardly will do
with it.

2557
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,400
We had a.
Company that did billing, but

2558
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:53,680
like I, I feel like they, they
didn't try hard, you know, even

2559
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:56,000
though they would take, they got
paid percentage wise on what

2560
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:59,640
they collected, I imagine, but
like they would take like 100 of

2561
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:03,720
the lowest hanging fruit and not
attack like the top 10 biggest

2562
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:05,360
ones that were hard to get
right.

2563
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:07,760
So.
I don't know, it was hard.

2564
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,960
And also like I felt like I was
hurting people like these drug

2565
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:13,320
rehabs don't do anything.
Everyone relapses and and you

2566
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:14,680
detox them, you know,
percentages.

2567
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,160
About that like I I because I
know that for example, the

2568
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:20,000
percentage of people that
almost. 80s and 90% but that's

2569
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,680
the people.
That are forced to go right.

2570
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,000
Not necessarily.
Really.

2571
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:25,880
Even the people.
That that willingly check

2572
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,640
themselves in still have a 80%
rehab I'm doing my.

2573
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:30,600
Internship right now recovery
Unplugged.

2574
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:33,000
That's that, you know, Andrew
Sausen, he lives here.

2575
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:35,200
Yeah.
He started with like Aerosmith,

2576
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,960
OK.
And it's, it's a music based

2577
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:42,640
drug rehab, OK.
And and I was talking to a guy

2578
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:46,680
and it was his seventh time at
recovery unblocked, right.

2579
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:52,520
And I was like, Sam, I was like,
I was like, maybe you should do.

2580
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:53,760
I was like, your family has
money.

2581
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:55,600
Why don't you go to Mexico and
do Iboga?

2582
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:58,520
You know, I was like, keep
coming back.

2583
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,280
These places aren't working.
And he said something

2584
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,640
interesting to me.
He's like, the first time I

2585
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:07,920
came, I wasn't ready.
The second time I came I was

2586
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:12,200
like 10% ready, the third time,
40% ready.

2587
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:13,600
You know that's what it is.
You're not.

2588
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:15,240
Ready to deal with that until
you're ready to deal with it

2589
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:16,960
sometimes.
You got to come through the

2590
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,160
system like 7-8 times, but
there's going to be a time and

2591
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:22,920
as long as you don't die in
between as you said.

2592
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:24,120
Yeah, but assuming.
You don't die.

2593
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,880
That's a big if I know,
especially.

2594
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,360
Because.
I feel like the odds go higher

2595
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:30,760
and higher every time you leave,
every time you relapse and feel

2596
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:36,320
like the odds get higher, right?
So I don't know, I mean, it's

2597
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,600
right now it's the best system
that they have, but it's like a

2598
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:41,080
little mini prison system.
We're just going to like force

2599
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,320
you to not do drugs for three
months until your insurance

2600
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:45,520
stops paying for it, and then
we'll release you when you do

2601
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:46,760
drugs again and then you come
back.

2602
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,560
So it's I.
Don't know it.

2603
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,240
Doesn't work, but so you so you
said.

2604
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:55,160
Why you try to do ibogaine?
So I came back.

2605
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,320
And I was like, how is this not
FDA approved?

2606
01:58:57,320 --> 01:59:00,800
Like I was realizing how many
people were dying in my from my

2607
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:01,920
facility.
Yeah.

2608
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:06,040
And and that's when I like that
I realized that that Deborah

2609
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:08,680
Mesh, who I had spoken to was
actually the one trying to bring

2610
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:11,000
it to FDA approval, spoke to
her.

2611
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:13,600
She was like, it's amazing that
you're calling me now.

2612
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,520
I'm in bankruptcy.
I got her company out of

2613
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:21,240
bankruptcy.
And this is 2016 and we're

2614
01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:24,680
still, we're moving like with
this now, hopefully with RFK and

2615
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:28,240
a friendly FDA who's just not
interested in more interested in

2616
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:32,240
opiates, approving more opiates
and drugs that'll hurt people

2617
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:33,960
than actually helping people.
Yeah.

2618
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:35,720
That this might.
Get approved.

2619
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,080
Yeah, that'll revolutionize drug
treatment.

2620
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,440
Do you think it will treatment?
Well, get approved, yeah.

2621
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:45,000
Yeah, you think it will because?
Because the.

2622
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:47,760
Veterans with traumatic brain
injury and PTSD.

2623
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,360
This is the only thing that
works the VA.

2624
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:54,920
It costs them.
What $50 billion a year to deal

2625
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:58,800
with the vets and and then drug
addiction is at its highest

2626
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,800
levels in the United States.
What do you do about?

2627
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,400
What do you do?
About the fact that it's a money

2628
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:04,360
printing machine and that
they're going to fight tooth and

2629
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:07,600
nail to to stop you from making
to stop taking away.

2630
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,200
Their this administration what I
mean, he just announced

2631
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:13,040
yesterday about vaccines.
You know that?

2632
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,040
Childhood vaccines.
They now have to go through

2633
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:17,240
placebo trials.
Yeah, do you understand how the

2634
02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:18,720
least time ever?
Do you know how crazy?

2635
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:22,560
That is that you're giving your
baby a shot that never had a

2636
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:24,480
placebo trial.
I haven't.

2637
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:26,320
There's no it's.
Not for not for half my kids.

2638
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,640
OK, I was saying but.
That's, this is the realization

2639
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:30,160
I came through after learning I
had.

2640
02:00:30,160 --> 02:00:31,920
So I had to, OK, back to
vaccines.

2641
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:34,000
I had to learn I'm a yeshiva
guy.

2642
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:36,440
Like I didn't know anything
about biotech and I got this

2643
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:38,480
company out of bankruptcy.
I had a guy who helped me, an

2644
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:42,680
attorney and a biotech guy, but
like, I was the guy and they put

2645
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:46,640
me on the board and I was like,
I know nothing about FDA

2646
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:50,000
approval, drug manufacturing,
good manufacturing, what you do

2647
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:51,840
when you're over.
Your when you're over your when

2648
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:54,320
you're over your head, I read.
You just.

2649
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:56,080
You just.
Learned all the information.

2650
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,520
Is there, especially when the
yeshivas I went to, there's

2651
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:01,760
nothing in the world because
somebody knows that I cannot

2652
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,080
learn, right?
And that's really truly.

2653
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,200
So you learned.
That skill set you have that

2654
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:09,320
toolbox where you learn how to
learn, you know how to, you know

2655
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:12,000
how to, you know how to consume
new information, right?

2656
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:14,560
And I know.
How to think for myself and not

2657
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:16,640
be told like I was taught in
yeshiva?

2658
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:20,800
Like if you had Akasha that the
Rebbe couldn't answer, you were

2659
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,640
the man, right?
Like you Just, you just, and he

2660
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:28,160
told you that he's like, that is
an amazing question, you know,

2661
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:30,000
and that's, it's not like that
in college.

2662
02:01:30,040 --> 02:01:32,200
You'll be like, those questions
are not asked here.

2663
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:34,120
That's a racist question or
something.

2664
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:38,080
You know, they teach you how to
think, not they teach you what

2665
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:41,080
to think, not how to think.
And Yeshiva's teach you how to

2666
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:43,000
think.
It's like you question.

2667
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:45,640
I question always, my whole life
questioned everything,

2668
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:47,680
everything.
And there's always an answer.

2669
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:49,240
There's always an answer.
There's always not an.

2670
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,480
Answer.
There's a reason why there's not

2671
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,360
an answer.
You know, it might be and it

2672
02:01:54,360 --> 02:01:55,600
just might be time.
I don't know.

2673
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:57,600
Like, what does this mean?
Like you have the you don't.

2674
02:01:57,600 --> 02:01:59,320
Have the tools right?
Now to understand the answer,

2675
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:02,160
but it'll come and it's like you
feel like you, you understand

2676
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:07,960
that you don't have the tools.
So I learned I bought like I

2677
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:11,320
asked someone, he gave me 3
books about biotech.

2678
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:15,840
I I read them and I was like
long term safety studies like

2679
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:17,320
how long is this going to take
us?

2680
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:21,440
OK, this vaccines and when I
started looking into vaccines

2681
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:23,800
and I only started looking into
the vaccines when they came out

2682
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:25,680
with the COVID vaccine.
Yeah, of course.

2683
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:26,960
Like everyone else, everyone
else.

2684
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:27,960
I was like.
What the fuck is this?

2685
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:30,760
Why am I being forced to like I
feel like there's so much

2686
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:31,960
pressure.
Do it, do it.

2687
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:35,520
Do it for your mother,
grandmother saved your neighbor.

2688
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:39,040
You're this and it's like
getting hostile to me.

2689
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:42,120
I started questioning like what?
I started researching no

2690
02:02:42,120 --> 02:02:45,400
studies, operational warp speed
and then regular vaccines.

2691
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:47,760
I was like, there's no safety
studies on regular vaccines.

2692
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,080
And this was warp speeded,
meaning there's no studies,

2693
02:02:51,080 --> 02:02:53,160
there's no nothing.
It's literally a shot in the

2694
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:56,120
dark.
And I was like, and it's a brand

2695
02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:59,720
new mRNA technology.
And I have a friend, a friend of

2696
02:02:59,720 --> 02:03:02,360
mine, Kagan, who some people.
Say that it's not brand new

2697
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:05,400
though that it's been worked on
for a while, since 80. 9 Robert

2698
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:07,680
Malone So it's not brand.
New OK.

2699
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:10,760
But the technology is they've
never deployed it into humans

2700
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:13,480
before, right?
And Robert Robert Malone.

2701
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:16,600
That's a guy who he was on a
podcast, Rogan getting on Rogan.

2702
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:18,520
Remember that?
Yeah, Robert Malone was the one

2703
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:22,280
who invented mRNA in 1989, and
he said every primate we tested

2704
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:25,080
it on died within a year.
Like that's what he said.

2705
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,000
He's like, do not take this.
I invented it.

2706
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:29,400
Do not take it.
And I'm like, here.

2707
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:31,680
And then all of a sudden that
that whole Rogan was taken

2708
02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:32,600
offline.
Yeah.

2709
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:35,000
And then like there was another
like Weinstein.

2710
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:36,000
Brett Weinstein.
Yeah.

2711
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,840
Brett and Eric.
Weinstein, it's like another.

2712
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:40,040
Guy all of a sudden that's scrub
from the Internet.

2713
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:41,480
Yeah.
And then Tucker Carlson or

2714
02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:43,160
someone else was like talking
scrubbed.

2715
02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:45,120
I'm like, whoa, what's going on
here?

2716
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:48,320
Like, I've never been so
involved in, like, media before

2717
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:48,960
that.
Yeah.

2718
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:50,680
And I'll say but this is just
disappearing.

2719
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:52,480
It gets you.
Invested.

2720
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:55,120
I was like something's up.
So like I refused to take the

2721
02:03:55,120 --> 02:03:58,440
COVID vaccine and started doing
a deep dive into all vaccines

2722
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:01,800
and I could give you a couple of
books, Turtles all the way Down

2723
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:05,240
and Dissolving illusions.
You will see these are all

2724
02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:07,480
scams.
It's a money making scam to make

2725
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:09,480
you sick when you're a beat.
Have you ever?

2726
02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:12,720
Have you ever?
Spent time studying the other

2727
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:16,200
side, the response to turtles
all the way down or whatever it

2728
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:19,640
is.
And can you, can you make what

2729
02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:21,360
what's, what's the argument
against?

2730
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:24,040
Against your or against your
argument.

2731
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:29,720
The the argument is just from, I
think it's, it's not a rational

2732
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:31,680
argument.
It's just like they just,

2733
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:34,040
they're repeating tropes, which
is.

2734
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:38,320
Things could could save millions
of lives, but it's not.

2735
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:40,880
True, but if you ask them.
To source, you ask them to.

2736
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:42,120
There's no.
Sources.

2737
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:44,040
And there's no anything.
They're just repeating,

2738
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:49,200
repeating, repeating.
I'm telling it's it's

2739
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:51,200
unbelievable.
And they make they make you

2740
02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:53,040
sick.
I didn't vaccinate my youngest

2741
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:54,680
kid.
He is No, he's never been to a

2742
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:56,640
doctor.
He's never been to a doctor.

2743
02:04:56,720 --> 02:04:58,960
How is your kids?
He's 5 and he's.

2744
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:01,080
Totally healthy.
All of my other kids.

2745
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:07,480
Have ear infections, strep
coughs, asthma, All of them.

2746
02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:09,400
All of them.
It's crazy.

2747
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:11,960
It's crazy.
And these are all side effects

2748
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:13,760
that are on the label of sure
scenes.

2749
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:15,840
Do you think that?
Do you think that I guess what?

2750
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:18,360
Measles and mumps.
These think my father had

2751
02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:20,120
measles when he was a kid.
He was like, it's just like

2752
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:21,800
chicken pox.
Did you have chicken pox when

2753
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:22,760
you were a kid?
I did have chicken.

2754
02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:24,240
Pox I also did.
And it wasn't a big.

2755
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:26,240
I think my neighbor had chicken
pox and my mother brought me

2756
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:27,320
over to play with her.
Yeah.

2757
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:29,520
So I.
Got Yeah, I got, I got James the

2758
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:32,160
Giant Peach and Ice Cube in the
bathtub, right?

2759
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:35,720
And I think that almond oatmeal
bath or something.

2760
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:37,480
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yes, yes, but like we.

2761
02:05:37,480 --> 02:05:39,160
Wanted to get it because then
you have immunity.

2762
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:40,440
Yeah, yeah.
But that's when now they have a

2763
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:43,440
very sell a vaccine.
So no, kids get chicken pox.

2764
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:46,280
But is that good?
These diseases aren't fatal or

2765
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:48,000
dangerous.
Even meningitis.

2766
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,680
Meningitis is only fatal if
you're not anywhere near a

2767
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:53,680
hospital for, like, after you'd
contract it for six months.

2768
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:56,160
Then it slowly eats away at a
person's brain.

2769
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:59,200
If a kid gets meningitis, they
can go to the doctor and they

2770
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:01,400
get a vitamin A shot and it's
gone.

2771
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:04,880
And some antibiotics like these
are easily treatable.

2772
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:06,880
So what we're doing is we're
injecting them with, you know,

2773
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:11,120
the adjuvants inside vaccines,
aluminum, formaldehyde, mercury.

2774
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:12,840
I thought aluminum is?
Which one?

2775
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:15,200
Aluminum mercury, I thought was
phased out of vaccines?

2776
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:17,080
I don't know that.
One doesn't.

2777
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:18,880
Matter but like.
When I was a kid, all of them

2778
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:19,960
had both of them.
All of them had it.

2779
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:23,480
Yeah, you know, and like, and
then and then fluoride and all

2780
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:25,560
these, like these are all
neurotoxins.

2781
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:29,680
And we're injecting our babies.
Our babies is the answer.

2782
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:34,240
That Would you say that this is
just it's scientism?

2783
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:38,800
It's denying God and thinking
that humans could big trump God,

2784
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,240
but it's but.
It can't even be that because

2785
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:44,000
the people that are doing the
research and conducting a study,

2786
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:45,920
they, they know there's no
studies, there's no, there's no

2787
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:47,560
background.
They know that there's no they

2788
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:49,280
are basing.
It on, it's not it's antibody,

2789
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:53,880
antibody response.
Antibody response, Yeah, that if

2790
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:55,600
they inject.
A kid with this ignore their

2791
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:57,080
side.
Effects ignore it exactly.

2792
02:06:57,280 --> 02:07:00,200
And you think that it's normal
like ignore?

2793
02:07:00,200 --> 02:07:01,400
Everything.
It's almost like.

2794
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:04,760
Selective hearing, but that's
all.

2795
02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:06,680
That's what.
That's what RFK yesterday

2796
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:08,480
announced.
He's like, it's all about

2797
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:09,840
antibodies.
He's like, no, we're going to do

2798
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:12,320
real research.
Listen, if they have real, truly

2799
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:16,840
safe vaccines, that's a godsend.
That's an amazing thing.

2800
02:07:17,200 --> 02:07:18,680
Yeah.
The kids, these are fake.

2801
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,680
These, the vaccines we have are
fake.

2802
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,840
When my parents were kids, they
had two vaccines.

2803
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:26,960
I think the polio and the.
And one other.

2804
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:30,120
One measles, mumps.
I don't know.

2805
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:32,440
Smallpox, Smallpox.
Smallpox.

2806
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:34,600
And yeah, yeah.
And polio.

2807
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:36,040
Yeah.
And then when I was a kid, I had

2808
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:39,480
12.
How many our kids have 72?

2809
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,800
That's crazy. 72, you know,
they're money makers.

2810
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:45,120
And by the way, the money that
they make isn't even about the

2811
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:47,840
giving the vaccines.
It's about lifetime of being in

2812
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:49,280
a doctor's office.
I was talking to my.

2813
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:51,680
Students yesterday actually
about conspiracy theories.

2814
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:53,840
We're just having fun.
I was explaining to them where

2815
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,960
the root of a lot of it comes
from, and we're talking about

2816
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:59,120
what regulatory capture meant,
you know, And I was like, and I

2817
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:01,760
was like, how old are you?
Students 10th grade, OK.

2818
02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:03,560
I was like, what does regulation
mean?

2819
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:05,800
You know, and we get to the root
of regulation, right, to

2820
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:09,560
regulate, which is to control or
to, or you know, I was like, so

2821
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:10,480
great.
So I was like, what does

2822
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:12,760
regulatory capture mean?
What does it mean?

2823
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:18,800
Capture of control, like
controlling who controls what,

2824
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:21,840
right?
I was like, great, as like every

2825
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:24,160
conspiracy theory you ever
heard, you ever heard comes down

2826
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:27,840
to that, right?
But the question always becomes,

2827
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:31,720
what is the potential risk
versus the payoff, right?

2828
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:34,520
So for example, it is the, you
know, this is a real life case

2829
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:36,400
that happens to me.
I've talked about this on the

2830
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:39,200
podcast before, But with the
COVID vaccine, I initially took

2831
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:43,080
it and I told him and I was
arguing with my mom about it at

2832
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:46,520
the Shabbos table.
And Shabbos afternoon in 2021

2833
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:48,240
you got the 1st 2:00.
I had the first two I got.

2834
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:51,720
Moderna and a booster.
I didn't get a.

2835
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:59,640
Booster, no, OK.
After the first two, I six

2836
02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:01,760
months later, I was already
like, I shouldn't have taken

2837
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:03,760
that, but six months later I
already took it.

2838
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:06,600
So by the way, with the
information that I had at the

2839
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:09,160
time, I probably would have
taken it again, but it.

2840
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:11,080
Was very hard for me to to hold
back.

2841
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:13,280
So it's my mom's like.
Emma, come on.

2842
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:15,880
I was like, you think there's a
conspiracy to get billions of

2843
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:18,720
people like vaccinated?
My mother did not want it.

2844
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:21,120
Yeah.
And I said, come on.

2845
02:09:21,120 --> 02:09:23,400
I was like, even if you don't
think it works, there's no way

2846
02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:25,920
it's going to hurt everyone.
It's no way that people are out

2847
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:28,400
there to hurt people and make
money on that.

2848
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:32,160
And I'm like, Oh my God, they're
out there to hurt people and

2849
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:33,200
make money on that.
Like.

2850
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:35,080
And.
And it's when I was explaining

2851
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:38,600
to my students, I'm like, the
the bigger the risk, the bigger

2852
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:41,520
the payoff.
But then when the risk doesn't

2853
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:44,800
work out, right?
So I was like, so actually a lot

2854
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:48,080
of the risk keeps conspiracy,
the people that would be behind

2855
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:50,640
the conspiracy theories in check
because they don't want to lose.

2856
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:52,800
They don't want to, you know,
show their hands, right?

2857
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:59,720
So I think pharmaceutical
companies got so greedy that

2858
02:09:59,720 --> 02:10:03,200
they were willing to extend
their hand for the risk.

2859
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:04,720
So I was like, think about this,
right?

2860
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:07,400
What, how much money did they
make on the COVID vaccine?

2861
02:10:07,880 --> 02:10:10,720
How much money have they lost
since then based on just

2862
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:13,160
distrust because of how far they
pushed the COVID vaccine?

2863
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:14,600
But.
You know, so it.

2864
02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:16,280
Wasn't worth it for them.
Now Pfizer.

2865
02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:21,320
And Pfizer's biggest drug is is
cancer and myocarditis drugs are

2866
02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:22,760
they which are caused by the
COVID.

2867
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:24,000
Yeah, of course.
Really.

2868
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:26,160
And that's what all.
Of this stuff is they give

2869
02:10:26,160 --> 02:10:27,800
children things and Pfizer
since.

2870
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:31,880
Since since the COVID vaccine
has come out with biotech.

2871
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:35,560
Yes they bought 3 cancer
companies that use AI to target

2872
02:10:35,560 --> 02:10:38,240
specific cancers and their
newest things would be cancer

2873
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:40,640
drugs and my parents getting
turbo cancer.

2874
02:10:41,080 --> 02:10:42,560
You don't hear about this I've
heard about.

2875
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:44,040
It but I don't.
I've had five.

2876
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:46,280
Friends drop dead, you had.
Five friends.

2877
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:46,920
Yeah.
Yeah.

2878
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:50,640
One of them was a cold one of
the cola guys in in Miami

2879
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:53,360
Beach's wife, 42 years old, drop
dead.

2880
02:10:53,400 --> 02:10:58,080
Drop dead heart attack like 2
weeks after her third, her third

2881
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:02,320
dose.
I mean, this is it's don't you

2882
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:04,880
can't trust these people.
It's hushed Amamaina, hushed,

2883
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:06,560
hushed Bawasa.
It's a Gamara concept.

2884
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:10,360
They're suspect of greed.
They don't care about your life.

2885
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:14,400
They want money and the money
isn't in even in the vaccines.

2886
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:17,360
It's about the perpetual
sickness that yeah, yeah, the

2887
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:19,120
pharmaceutical.
Treadmill is what it's called

2888
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:21,080
you're exposing.
Your children, Hashem made our

2889
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:22,320
bodies perfect.
That's what they say.

2890
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,560
Don't even give your kid Tylenol
if they have a fever because the

2891
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:31,360
fever is between 100 and 100 and
102 and that is a perfect

2892
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:36,560
temperature to kill bad viruses
in your body and bacteria, but

2893
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:39,360
not the good bacteria I know,
but you know.

2894
02:11:39,640 --> 02:11:42,720
But I feel, I feel, I know from
my own experience that when

2895
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:45,560
you're a parent and you're in
your first time parent and you

2896
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:48,880
have a kid that's a year old and
they're hot and they can't sleep

2897
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:51,760
and they're crying and they're
miserable, you want a solution.

2898
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:55,440
Right now, if you don't
vaccinate your kid, she will he

2899
02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:59,240
she will not get fever.
She will not have fever.

2900
02:12:00,360 --> 02:12:02,680
That all of these.
Illnesses that your babies get

2901
02:12:03,200 --> 02:12:05,840
are because they were just
vaccinated and they're always

2902
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:08,800
after their Wellness visits.
That's when people kids.

2903
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:12,680
Get kids, get fevers from from
their teeth going in people get

2904
02:12:12,680 --> 02:12:16,400
people get kids get kids get
fevers from from from going to

2905
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:17,440
play.
Of course they're going to be

2906
02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:21,440
fine, but my, my, my, my, my
point is that it's a lot easier

2907
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:25,680
said that parents want parents,
especially young parents that

2908
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:28,600
are first time parents.
They want answers more than

2909
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:31,160
anything.
People look for stability and

2910
02:12:31,160 --> 02:12:36,240
that's why authority is so
attractive because authority is

2911
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:38,280
the equivalent of confidence and
stability.

2912
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:40,600
I know this.
I spent X amount of time

2913
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:41,840
studying this and researching
this.

2914
02:12:42,040 --> 02:12:43,480
How much time have you spent?
Zero.

2915
02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:45,280
What do you do for a living?
You're a teacher and you do

2916
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:46,840
sales and you do a podcast.
Guess what?

2917
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:48,840
Mind your own business.
Sit in the corner.

2918
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:51,360
Let the professionals tell you
what to do, what you think.

2919
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:55,680
Doctors researched this.
No, I, I I, by the way, most

2920
02:12:55,680 --> 02:12:56,840
doctors I've.
Spoken to.

2921
02:12:57,000 --> 02:13:00,920
They are just taught in school
to follow orders in a book.

2922
02:13:01,400 --> 02:13:04,360
And that's why even in my school
right now, we have the DSM 5,

2923
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:06,400
right?
The Diagnostic Statistical

2924
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:09,480
Manual about mental illness.
It's a bullshit book.

2925
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:10,400
Is it?
Yeah.

2926
02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:13,560
Meaning you could diagnose
anyone with bipolar and there's

2927
02:13:13,560 --> 02:13:16,800
no difference between bipolar 2
and just having a really bad

2928
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:17,800
day.
What's what is?

2929
02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:19,640
Bipolar 2.
Technical Bipolar. 2 is just

2930
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:22,000
like you don't have major mood
swings, but like you have like

2931
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:23,920
you're happy in the morning and
then like you're sad at night

2932
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,520
Yeah, that's just a bad day
Yeah, you know the.

2933
02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:28,840
Great bit about that.
What's his name?

2934
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:32,880
Kevin J Kevin James and they are
usually fat.

2935
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:35,480
I don't know the Adam Sandler
movies and King of Queens or

2936
02:13:35,480 --> 02:13:37,600
whatever.
He has a new he has a new Amazon

2937
02:13:37,600 --> 02:13:39,760
special.
He was pre diabetic.

2938
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:42,720
He was a diabetic.
I mean not diabetic.

2939
02:13:42,720 --> 02:13:46,320
He's like, well, if all of us,
if you, if you're diabetic,

2940
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:48,360
you're 1 camp and we're not
diabetic.

2941
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:50,040
We're in this camp.
You're a little bit closer to

2942
02:13:50,040 --> 02:13:52,440
this camp than we are, but I'm
not diabetic yet.

2943
02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:53,520
He's like, no, you're not
diabetic yet.

2944
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:55,160
He goes so I'm still in the pre
diabetic range.

2945
02:13:55,160 --> 02:14:00,200
He goes yeah, tell him OK, he's
like, yeah, but you could not

2946
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:01,840
be.
And then he goes OK, Bob.

2947
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:04,960
And then he goes to his doctor.
He's like, do you have diabetes?

2948
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:06,400
Like, no, I was like, could you
get diabetes?

2949
02:14:06,440 --> 02:14:09,120
Like, I guess, yeah.
So you're pretty diabetic, too.

2950
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:12,280
And he's like, well, yeah, I
guess so, you know, But it just

2951
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:12,800
came out.
And what?

2952
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:13,880
Else do it.
Yeah, yeah, it's.

2953
02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:18,560
Very good on Amazon.
He I was I, it's I'd probably

2954
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:20,480
give it AB Plus in terms of
comedy, do you like stand up

2955
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:22,080
comedy?
I might give.

2956
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:25,120
It AB to B plus I went to see
Ari Shaffir here the other week.

2957
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:26,560
Who's here?
He was here.

2958
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:28,560
He was.
In Danger Point, What?

2959
02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:30,960
Yeah, he did.
I think two or three nights.

2960
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,240
He went on Thursday night.
I wanted to do 1.

2961
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:35,000
I.
Where'd you think of it?

2962
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:36,640
I loved it.
I loved it also.

2963
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:39,040
I loved it.
I loved it a little like.

2964
02:14:39,400 --> 02:14:40,040
It was.
It was.

2965
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:41,800
It was pushing the envelope.
It was raunchy.

2966
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:42,680
He was like, you know what?
He.

2967
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:44,440
Gave like a good.
He was fair.

2968
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:46,320
Yeah, about.
Yeshiva and everything.

2969
02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,320
Yeah.
And he was on Tucker Carlson.

2970
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:49,240
Did you?
Yeah, I.

2971
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:51,160
Watched that too.
I thought that was actually like

2972
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:53,520
Tucker was like, really?
They just study and try to do

2973
02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:55,200
kindness all day.
Yeah, OK.

2974
02:14:55,800 --> 02:15:01,080
He's like, that's amazing.
Yeah.

2975
02:15:01,080 --> 02:15:02,960
He's.
Like dude, crazy I.

2976
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:05,160
You.
Know I can't get I can't.

2977
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:08,080
He drives me crazy.
Tucker.

2978
02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:09,560
Tucker, I think he's but he
gets.

2979
02:15:09,560 --> 02:15:12,800
The best he's turning into an
anti summit like no so.

2980
02:15:12,920 --> 02:15:15,040
I'm going to push back.
I don't think he is.

2981
02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:17,680
Here's what I here's what I'm
going to say.

2982
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,560
People are incredibly canvas
Owens.

2983
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:23,320
And I'm not on Ben Shapiro's
side, but I'm telling you right

2984
02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:25,000
now, from how they speak, canvas
Owens is not.

2985
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,520
The same thing as Tucker
Carlson, I think they're on the

2986
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:29,880
same.
Page and I think it's a his

2987
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:32,680
whole issue with Israel is not
America first.

2988
02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:37,000
It's not America first.
We have always protected Israel.

2989
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:38,840
They've been our greatest
allies.

2990
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:42,360
It is important for us to have
some Middle East stability.

2991
02:15:42,360 --> 02:15:44,280
So let me let me ask.
So let me ask, guess what I

2992
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:45,440
don't.
Trust Netanyahu.

2993
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:47,960
By the way, I'm not a Zionist.
I think I.

2994
02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:51,760
My, my, my, I have a friend that
came that I did a podcast with

2995
02:15:51,800 --> 02:15:54,040
made a remarkable point they
never thought of.

2996
02:15:54,640 --> 02:15:58,880
And that is if BB was out
tomorrow, the person that

2997
02:15:58,880 --> 02:16:03,280
replaced him would be a lot
worse than BB is, right?

2998
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:07,720
And that BB's hands are tied
right now because he's barely

2999
02:16:07,720 --> 02:16:11,000
keeping his coalition alive.
And if he does, if he sneezes

3000
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:13,760
the wrong way, the entire
government shuts down, falls

3001
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:16,560
apart.
And so right now, he's in a

3002
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:18,480
unique scenario.
And I don't think that.

3003
02:16:18,640 --> 02:16:21,200
And I think that particularly
American politicians that don't

3004
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:23,600
know the Israeli, they don't
know the Israeli system of

3005
02:16:23,600 --> 02:16:25,880
politics.
I don't think they quite

3006
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:29,400
understand that if they decide
it's America doesn't live in a

3007
02:16:29,400 --> 02:16:31,280
world where like if people
decide that there's just a

3008
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:33,200
government shutdown, a Congress
decides that the government

3009
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:35,959
shutdown and then the president
is just removed.

3010
02:16:35,959 --> 02:16:37,680
And then like you just have new
elections.

3011
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:39,719
We don't have that in America,
Israel.

3012
02:16:39,719 --> 02:16:42,040
So America doesn't understand
that about Israel politics.

3013
02:16:42,680 --> 02:16:45,879
I don't like, I don't love BB by
any stretch of the imagination

3014
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:48,440
either, especially after the
last couple of years.

3015
02:16:48,440 --> 02:16:52,080
I think I don't, I think that he
did probably more harm for

3016
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:55,000
Israel than good, especially
when it comes to our

3017
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:57,120
relationship with America and
especially when it comes to our

3018
02:16:57,120 --> 02:17:00,280
optics in the rest of the world.
I think that if Hamas had any

3019
02:17:00,280 --> 02:17:06,240
kind of plan and the plan was to
lose public favor, for Israel to

3020
02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:11,320
lose public favor in the world's
eyes, they 1000% accomplished

3021
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:12,959
their plan.
And I don't think they give AI,

3022
02:17:13,240 --> 02:17:15,840
don't think they give a flying
crap about all the lives that

3023
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:18,400
are lost in the in the process
of doing that.

3024
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:22,080
I, I, I, I, I, I, my heart
breaks.

3025
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:26,200
And I think about this a lot.
If America, if South Florida got

3026
02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:29,360
bombed because of a decision
that Trump or Biden or Bush or

3027
02:17:29,360 --> 02:17:33,600
Obama or anywhere or Clinton or
Reagan or anyone made, I would

3028
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:37,799
never forgive him.
If, if, if, if my family, I'm

3029
02:17:37,959 --> 02:17:41,000
working so hard to keep together
and to grow and, and I'm

3030
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:44,000
struggling every day of my life
to try to do provide the best

3031
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,559
for my family and create the
most meaningful and healthy and

3032
02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:49,639
organic and wholesome life.
And I get blown up because of

3033
02:17:49,639 --> 02:17:52,600
something else that someone else
says or someone else does that's

3034
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:55,400
outside of my control.
I would be so upset.

3035
02:17:55,600 --> 02:17:57,559
I'd be mortified.
Now, I don't know what

3036
02:17:57,559 --> 02:18:00,320
percentage of the people have
absolutely nothing to do with

3037
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:03,120
Hamas in in Gaza.
I don't know what percentage of

3038
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:05,480
people and I don't think anyone
will ever know because I don't

3039
02:18:05,480 --> 02:18:06,879
think the numbers are ever going
to be accurate.

3040
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:10,639
The answer is not 100.
This is not 100% right.

3041
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:12,040
I.
Don't think a. 100% of the

3042
02:18:12,040 --> 02:18:16,639
people living in in Gaza, 100%
of the Palestinians are pro

3043
02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:20,400
Hamas in this war and are still
suffering the consequences of

3044
02:18:20,400 --> 02:18:23,080
being in a place that they can't
control where they're just

3045
02:18:23,080 --> 02:18:24,799
trying to live their lives and
their lives can blown up.

3046
02:18:26,320 --> 02:18:31,879
And I think it's sad, but and I
I'm sad that Israel has to do

3047
02:18:31,879 --> 02:18:34,480
that and I'm sad that Israel has
to optics for that.

3048
02:18:34,799 --> 02:18:39,120
It's Hamas and it is.
And I do believe the Oslo it.

3049
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:42,799
Is.
Hamas's fault 100% and all this

3050
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:48,240
is a battle of optics and no one
on the pro Israel side is

3051
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:52,240
intelligent enough or eloquent
or articulate enough to say

3052
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:58,920
guys, you're I agree with you.
It is awful that children and

3053
02:18:58,920 --> 02:19:00,639
women and babies are getting
blown up.

3054
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:03,240
How come they don't say that?
That's all you got to say.

3055
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:04,879
No, they don't.
I, I, I don't hear it.

3056
02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:08,760
I and I listen to these and I
listen to podcasts and I listen

3057
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:12,920
to the bass and I listen to and
I listen to all this stuff and

3058
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:19,040
no one represents is everyone
has the same condescending,

3059
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:23,000
stupid, authoritarian
perspective you have to like as

3060
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:24,080
well.
They've always been a great

3061
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:27,879
guess what, acknowledge that
some that that this sucks.

3062
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:30,520
Acknowledge that this isn't
ideal, but Israel.

3063
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:32,520
And you will get.
Honesty Nation are.

3064
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:35,120
Americans, 1/4 of the population
of Israel.

3065
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:38,240
I don't know if that number is
right, but a lot American dual

3066
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:41,160
citizenships, sure, it's
American Jews who are living

3067
02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:42,760
there.
There's so many Americans who

3068
02:19:42,760 --> 02:19:46,360
live in America, America who
have places in Israel, a family

3069
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:49,080
in Israel.
It's such an intertwined country

3070
02:19:49,560 --> 02:19:52,200
and we have done everything.
The American governments,

3071
02:19:52,360 --> 02:19:57,280
whichever president was there,
Clinton, Obama, Bush's, we've

3072
02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:00,080
done everything.
We've given up Gaza, we've

3073
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:02,480
released control.
We've taken our own people out

3074
02:20:02,480 --> 02:20:04,280
of there.
We've done everything.

3075
02:20:04,280 --> 02:20:06,960
We've taken the partitions.
We, the maps keep getting

3076
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:09,800
smaller.
And that's it's like what Ben

3077
02:20:09,800 --> 02:20:11,400
Shapiro says.
The only thing is like if, if

3078
02:20:11,440 --> 02:20:15,440
Israel would lay down its arms.
We would be murdered by Hamas if

3079
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:17,560
Hamas put down their own right,
but I don't would.

3080
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:20,960
Live in Riviera, so so I think
that's true.

3081
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:23,640
It is true.
But that's not it's not a good

3082
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:25,880
enough answer.
The reason why it's not a good

3083
02:20:25,880 --> 02:20:28,360
enough answer is geopolitically.
We always take care of our

3084
02:20:28,360 --> 02:20:31,440
allies.
I'm not talking about Ukraine.

3085
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:33,400
I'm not talking about America
totally different than Ukraine,

3086
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:35,600
but I'm talking about Tucker
Carlson specifically.

3087
02:20:35,800 --> 02:20:38,840
I'm telling you whenever I hear
him, whenever it comes about

3088
02:20:38,840 --> 02:20:42,200
Jews, I think he has.
He's an Episcopalian and and

3089
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:46,600
Candace is a Catholic and both
of those evangelicals love love

3090
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:50,520
Jews and Protestants like
Baptist or whatever or Southern

3091
02:20:50,520 --> 02:20:57,240
Baptist, even Episcopalian and
and Catholics do not like Jews.

3092
02:20:57,800 --> 02:21:00,120
They believe they take the New
Testament literally.

3093
02:21:00,360 --> 02:21:04,240
Jews are the House of Satan.
We're the Antichrist.

3094
02:21:04,440 --> 02:21:08,000
We kill Jesus.
They don't like us and I think

3095
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:11,120
it's coming out whenever it
comes up and Israel is just a

3096
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:14,400
front.
It's AI think Hooker is.

3097
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:15,600
I think it's.
Plausible.

3098
02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:17,240
I'm not even saying you're
wrong.

3099
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:19,440
What I'm saying is, it's what?
I feel OK.

3100
02:21:19,880 --> 02:21:22,480
Yeah, by the way, I don't.
You could be right.

3101
02:21:22,480 --> 02:21:23,720
Love Tucker.
Like, you could be right.

3102
02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:25,560
Love Tucker.
He has such investigative

3103
02:21:25,560 --> 02:21:27,000
journalism.
He was talking about things

3104
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:28,360
nobody else was talking about,
right?

3105
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:29,920
That's what's valuable.
Whenever it comes to.

3106
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:33,240
Israel or Jews?
He's like he changes.

3107
02:21:33,480 --> 02:21:35,200
And guess what?
I love Candace Owens too.

3108
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:37,880
I always listen to her.
She has a whole series called

3109
02:21:37,880 --> 02:21:40,240
Shot in the Dark about vaccines.
You heard that?

3110
02:21:40,360 --> 02:21:41,120
No, I haven't.
I want.

3111
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:45,160
To actually listen to the
Bridget and when he got one of

3112
02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:47,920
the easy ones, but.
She did a deep dive.

3113
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:50,920
I think they stopped her and she
was going through each vaccine

3114
02:21:51,080 --> 02:21:54,800
and she did a deep hour podcast
on each vaccine showing you how

3115
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:57,080
BS it is.
Yeah, it's called A Shot in the

3116
02:21:57,080 --> 02:21:58,680
Dark.
And I loved her for that.

3117
02:21:58,680 --> 02:22:01,640
I loved her like it was during
COVID when I was like learning

3118
02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:03,240
about this so so.
I don't.

3119
02:22:03,240 --> 02:22:06,640
But but what she's, what she
said and what Tucker said and

3120
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:08,640
what I agree with and I think
what a lot of people have to

3121
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:11,640
understand, and I think that
there's an enormous sensitivity

3122
02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:15,760
criticizing the government of
Israel's actions is not

3123
02:22:15,800 --> 02:22:16,960
anti-Semitic.
I don't.

3124
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:18,680
I'm not.
Talking about that I know, but.

3125
02:22:18,680 --> 02:22:21,000
I think that a lot of people do
and I think, and I talk about

3126
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:23,080
you, I think people in general,
I honestly.

3127
02:22:23,240 --> 02:22:24,920
Think the biggest American
patriots.

3128
02:22:26,400 --> 02:22:28,200
All of the people.
That, say American could.

3129
02:22:28,200 --> 02:22:30,000
Be better.
I think October 7th was an

3130
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:31,600
inside job.
Do you think so?

3131
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:33,600
I think so too, by the way.
I think they let it.

3132
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:37,120
Happen.
I think they let it happen and

3133
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:39,480
and I think it's terrible.
And I think it's terrible,

3134
02:22:39,480 --> 02:22:40,240
forgivable.
It's.

3135
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:42,800
Unforgivable.
They should all be on a tribunal

3136
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:46,360
and hanged like the head of the
Shin Bet, the head of the

3137
02:22:46,360 --> 02:22:48,080
Mossad.
I think they all knew it was

3138
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:49,560
going to happen and they let it
happen.

3139
02:22:50,480 --> 02:22:53,160
For political shit, probably.
Maybe to get to Tonio out of

3140
02:22:53,160 --> 02:22:54,560
office.
I don't know what what the

3141
02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:57,360
motivation maybe to get.
Maybe to bomb Gaza to pieces.

3142
02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:59,200
Maybe.
I don't know what it is and

3143
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:00,720
that's.
The thick thing stinks, and

3144
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:02,880
that's the thick thing.
And that is not what's best for

3145
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:03,920
Jews.
It's not what's best for the

3146
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:05,040
world's, not what's best for
Israel.

3147
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:06,240
It's not what's best for
Zionism.

3148
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:08,240
I.
Told I tell people whenever and

3149
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:10,360
I would love to move to Israel.
Like I'm looking at buying hope.

3150
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:11,920
I want to buy something like an
Ashkelon.

3151
02:23:12,360 --> 02:23:13,800
Like I think it was like a new
building coming.

3152
02:23:13,800 --> 02:23:15,600
I can get it for like cheap.
I love Ashkelon.

3153
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:16,720
I want to.
Move.

3154
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:18,440
There's a lot of time there.
And I was not as.

3155
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:22,560
I tell people like, oh, for the
world Zionist or Congress or

3156
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:24,200
whatever's happening now, Yeah.
And.

3157
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:26,440
I'm like, I'm not.
Registering for anything that

3158
02:23:26,440 --> 02:23:28,280
says Zionist in it.
I don't understand what it is.

3159
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:30,440
Why?
Because it's an ISM.

3160
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:33,520
To me, it's like yeshivish ISM.
It's a Zionism, it's communism,

3161
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:35,080
it's socialism.
I don't want isms.

3162
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:38,000
I love omnistrol and I love
Eritusrol.

3163
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:41,080
I love Jewish.
People and I love.

3164
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:44,640
Jewish people and I love the
land of Israel yeah so but I

3165
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:48,640
don't know what Zionism is yeah
political movement that I don't

3166
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:50,240
understand because by the.
Way.

3167
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:52,200
There's so many different heads,
there's so many different

3168
02:23:52,200 --> 02:23:54,000
branches in itself.
It's just, I think it's just.

3169
02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:56,840
People making another ISM so
they could be at the head of it

3170
02:23:56,840 --> 02:24:00,520
and they're using us as just
cogs in their Zionism thing.

3171
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:02,680
I'm not involved.
I'm not a Zionist, right?

3172
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:07,160
But like I would join Sahal to
protect my my Jewish brothers

3173
02:24:07,160 --> 02:24:09,440
and sisters, right, who are
living there, right?

3174
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:12,200
You know, but I'm not fighting.
So we need we so, so we.

3175
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:14,880
I think that I think that there
needs to be be more voice.

3176
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:20,440
So I think that we lose a lot of
credibility, especially after

3177
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:24,440
the last 10 years when a lot of
Jews scream anti-Semitism

3178
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:28,840
instead of responding to a
particular, for example, Right.

3179
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:30,400
I talked about this.
Actually I did.

3180
02:24:30,400 --> 02:24:34,080
I do solo episodes every now and
then and I listen to a Candace

3181
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:36,480
Owen episode.
I forgot who she was.

3182
02:24:36,680 --> 02:24:40,880
Talking to I have to remember,
but she was talking about Israel

3183
02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:44,640
a little bit and she was saying
like, oh, does it make any sense

3184
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:45,880
that America is in the Middle
East?

3185
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:47,920
Guess what?
It does make a lot of sense that

3186
02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:49,640
America is in the Middle East
because there's an enormous

3187
02:24:49,640 --> 02:24:51,880
amount of wealth and and she's
like, America didn't get

3188
02:24:51,960 --> 02:24:55,360
anything from all those wars.
Guess what People got stuff out

3189
02:24:55,360 --> 02:24:57,760
of those wars.
People got wealth out of those

3190
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,480
wars.
People got power and influence

3191
02:24:59,480 --> 02:25:01,680
and the people that wanted to
wage those wars waged those

3192
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:02,800
wars.
I don't think that it was

3193
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:06,440
directly Israel's fault, but I
also think that instead of

3194
02:25:06,440 --> 02:25:09,520
telling Kansas Owens you're a
lunatic Zionist and then posting

3195
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:11,680
it all over Twitter and flipping
out over about it, if I could

3196
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:14,800
just say, hey, I understand
where you're coming from.

3197
02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:16,360
I hear where your conclusion
you're coming to.

3198
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:19,280
Have you ever considered the
fact that America really did

3199
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:21,320
benefit from the wars that are
happening in the middle?

3200
02:25:21,320 --> 02:25:24,520
And not all of America, but
particular people in America had

3201
02:25:24,520 --> 02:25:27,880
particular interests.
And if you want to say that

3202
02:25:27,880 --> 02:25:29,560
particularly people in Israel
did too, that's fine.

3203
02:25:29,560 --> 02:25:32,200
But don't tell me, don't lie to
me and tell me that Israel

3204
02:25:32,200 --> 02:25:36,280
convinced everyone in America to
join for exclusively Israel's

3205
02:25:36,280 --> 02:25:37,640
sake.
And America got nothing out of

3206
02:25:37,640 --> 02:25:38,800
it.
Like I don't think it's true.

3207
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:41,040
And like, I think that's
important to be able to have

3208
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:44,520
that conversation, have both.
Made comments about how the

3209
02:25:44,520 --> 02:25:47,840
American government works for
APEC.

3210
02:25:47,880 --> 02:25:51,440
Yeah, and they're just Israeli
shells for the Israeli

3211
02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:53,640
government.
Like that's so conspiratorial.

3212
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:56,240
And that's why I don't mind if
she criticizes the government.

3213
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:57,680
I don't like the Israeli
government.

3214
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:00,280
But when she starts talking
about we have to have nothing to

3215
02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:03,280
do with Israel, it's coming.
Did you you never watch that

3216
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:05,320
Douglas Murray where he
responded to Candace?

3217
02:26:05,320 --> 02:26:07,520
It was no.
I kind of lost.

3218
02:26:08,520 --> 02:26:10,640
I lost a lot of respect to
Douglas Murray after his debate

3219
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:12,000
with Dave Smith.
Oh.

3220
02:26:12,040 --> 02:26:14,040
Yeah, that was weird.
That was terrible.

3221
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:17,240
I was so excited for it.
I know I was so excited.

3222
02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:19,120
And he, he.
He.

3223
02:26:19,440 --> 02:26:23,360
He shot himself in the foot
probably 5 or 6 times in a huge

3224
02:26:23,360 --> 02:26:25,840
way and by the time he had a
couple of really good points

3225
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:28,560
that by the time he got to them
he ruined all his credibility

3226
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:30,200
that there was no way that there
was everything he was.

3227
02:26:30,320 --> 02:26:32,520
Condescending to him.
He was disgusting.

3228
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:35,840
Right, there's a problem.
It's his bird book at the end of

3229
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:38,480
the day, he makes good points
like he's very because.

3230
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:40,640
You lose those points and you
lose the people and you lose the

3231
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:41,920
followers.
You lose this like this was

3232
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:43,240
like.
Eight months ago he had a

3233
02:26:43,240 --> 02:26:47,400
response to Candace Owens and it
was very, very eloquent, fair,

3234
02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:50,600
middle of the road.
The government might have major

3235
02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:54,200
issues, but these are our allies
and they have an existential

3236
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:56,000
threat.
And it's a tiny little country

3237
02:26:56,160 --> 02:26:58,720
that has done everything to try
to make peace with their Arab

3238
02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:00,040
neighbors.
They don't care.

3239
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:03,120
And these Arab neighbors, it's
not like, oh, Russia doesn't

3240
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:07,320
have in their charter to kill
all Ukrainians to and drive them

3241
02:27:07,320 --> 02:27:10,480
into the the Black Sea.
That's not in their charter.

3242
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:14,640
This is in the charter for in,
in the Palestinian in, in the

3243
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:17,640
West Bank and in Gaza.
This is their charter like to

3244
02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:22,400
kill, to do genocide, and you
have to we as we should protect

3245
02:27:22,400 --> 02:27:24,400
them.
I don't know.

3246
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:26,240
You're right.
It's complicated, it's so, but.

3247
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:30,560
I think I have this feeling.
Candace and Tucker and and

3248
02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:32,680
there's a guy coffee and COVID.
I read in the morning.

3249
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:34,320
Jeff Childers, you should read
it.

3250
02:27:34,320 --> 02:27:35,720
It's great.
It's like on Substack.

3251
02:27:36,440 --> 02:27:40,240
He's hilarious and he has such a
good his fingers on the pulse.

3252
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:42,400
He shows you all the BS from the
New York Times and the

3253
02:27:42,400 --> 02:27:44,280
Washington Post and but Tucker's
guests?

3254
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:49,040
Are are are like a plus quality.
He has such so I hate I hate the

3255
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:53,320
way he interviews because it's
the same gotcha journalism that

3256
02:27:53,440 --> 02:27:56,600
is the corporate media in the
sense that he phrases questions

3257
02:27:56,600 --> 02:28:00,040
as statements that completely
push the narrative, right.

3258
02:28:00,600 --> 02:28:02,720
You know, so it'd be like, oh,
state of Israel, you go.

3259
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:04,840
So, you know, you know, when you
tell a country to do that, Oh,

3260
02:28:04,840 --> 02:28:06,680
it sounds like they hate you.
Like why do they, you know, do

3261
02:28:06,680 --> 02:28:08,080
they hate you and why do they
hate you?

3262
02:28:08,120 --> 02:28:12,360
You know, you know, like what
you just changed the entire

3263
02:28:12,360 --> 02:28:14,520
premise of a question that was
supposed to be open-ended.

3264
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:18,520
You just, you just took miles
and miles of potential area that

3265
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:21,520
you could be answering and
you've narrowed it down to 1

3266
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:23,800
little Rd. which is why do they
hate you?

3267
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:25,840
And that's not journalism, you
know.

3268
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:28,720
And by the way, what I do
appreciate about him and the

3269
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:31,600
same breath is that he does
break all these stories and talk

3270
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:35,760
about people that would.
I think that part of journalism

3271
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:38,600
is hard to define.
I think that it is introducing

3272
02:28:38,600 --> 02:28:41,760
new perspectives so that for for
people to be able to come to

3273
02:28:41,760 --> 02:28:44,560
those conclusions.
And he does that exceptionally

3274
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:46,320
well.
I don't like the question that

3275
02:28:46,320 --> 02:28:49,360
he asks when he's interviewing,
but I think that the quality

3276
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:52,840
guests that he gets and the type
of conversations that he has are

3277
02:28:52,840 --> 02:28:56,800
extremely valuable regardless
because they provide other

3278
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,640
perspectives that just give
food, food for thought.

3279
02:28:59,800 --> 02:29:02,200
So can I just?
Say that I love Tucker Grossen,

3280
02:29:02,200 --> 02:29:04,320
but I just don't think he likes
Jews.

3281
02:29:04,520 --> 02:29:05,160
Yeah, sure.
You.

3282
02:29:05,160 --> 02:29:07,560
Could by the way, I I think that
about Dave Smith.

3283
02:29:07,560 --> 02:29:09,200
I love Dave Smith.
I don't think he likes, I don't

3284
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,280
think he likes Jews, but I think
he's very unfair to Jews in

3285
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:13,880
Israel, which by the.
Way I I sometimes also don't

3286
02:29:13,960 --> 02:29:18,920
like Jews like I hear like Jews
are like if if you ever listen

3287
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:22,240
to Kanye about what happened to
him, do you understand why he

3288
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:25,240
hates Jews?
No, he had a Jewish manager who

3289
02:29:25,240 --> 02:29:28,880
stole everything from him, who
got him into a contract that

3290
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:34,400
basically his manager made like
70% of all of his proceeds.

3291
02:29:34,680 --> 02:29:38,880
And he gave Kanye 30 and he
signed it when he was like 19

3292
02:29:38,880 --> 02:29:43,240
years old.
And he worked for like decades.

3293
02:29:43,960 --> 02:29:47,360
Yeah, totally for for like
decades to break, to get out of

3294
02:29:47,360 --> 02:29:50,160
that contract.
And he lost so much money.

3295
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:52,000
And he was this and that.
I would.

3296
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:54,560
I would also Jews.
Let's say the Jews are the best

3297
02:29:54,560 --> 02:29:57,640
people I've ever met are Jews
and the worst people I've ever

3298
02:29:57,640 --> 02:29:59,520
met.
The worst?

3299
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:02,400
Yeah, for every.
Great, Arnabian does it.

3300
02:30:02,400 --> 02:30:03,320
You have.
Yeah, you have a.

3301
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:04,480
Yeah, yeah.
Chuck Schumer.

3302
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:08,240
Jeffrey Epstein.
Harvey Weinstein, Bernie

3303
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:14,320
Madoffs, like a Jew without
Yiddish kite is the worst piece

3304
02:30:14,320 --> 02:30:16,240
of shit on the on the face of
the Earth.

3305
02:30:16,320 --> 02:30:18,440
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to
say without Yiddish kite, which

3306
02:30:18,440 --> 02:30:20,000
is like without morals.
Yeah, without.

3307
02:30:20,560 --> 02:30:22,280
The direction like we're so.
Smart.

3308
02:30:22,280 --> 02:30:25,640
We're so sneaky we could figure
out how to collapse an entire

3309
02:30:25,640 --> 02:30:27,480
banking system because we would
Ever.

3310
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:30,440
Yeah, what are we?
We're good.

3311
02:30:30,480 --> 02:30:31,880
We're good.
I want to, I want to.

3312
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:35,920
We're about two hours and 15
minutes to wrap it up.

3313
02:30:36,040 --> 02:30:37,880
Well, wrap it up I.
Want to wrap up though, I want

3314
02:30:37,880 --> 02:30:42,720
to wrap up with with the last
bit of hope for psychedelics.

3315
02:30:43,240 --> 02:30:47,000
So I want to ask two things.
I want you to repeat the story

3316
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:51,400
to me again with the twins, with
a girl, and then I want you.

3317
02:30:51,400 --> 02:30:53,800
And then I want to ask what
you're planning on, what your

3318
02:30:54,280 --> 02:30:57,760
hopes for the future and your
plans are for trying to help

3319
02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:04,040
legalize Abigail or so?
Ayahuasca is Ayahuasca is legal

3320
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:07,040
if you have a religious
exemption because it's.

3321
02:31:07,960 --> 02:31:11,040
It's used.
In Mesoamerican religious

3322
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:13,560
cultures.
So because of freedom of

3323
02:31:13,560 --> 02:31:18,320
religion here, you could get in,
I forgot what it's called A5O1C6

3324
02:31:18,320 --> 02:31:21,880
something which is a nonprofit
religious exemption.

3325
02:31:22,040 --> 02:31:23,920
You become like a Church of
ayahuasca.

3326
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:27,320
That's what Tick and Healing has
here and there's a few other

3327
02:31:27,320 --> 02:31:29,960
places so it's legal to do it
there.

3328
02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:34,440
Ayahuasca which is DMT based,
which is like ibogaine and

3329
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:37,000
pipeyote.
It's dimethyltryptamine as

3330
02:31:37,000 --> 02:31:39,600
opposed to like mushrooms or
suicides.

3331
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:48,800
It's it, it opens you up like
it's the pineal gland secrets.

3332
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:51,000
This when a person's born and
when they die.

3333
02:31:51,160 --> 02:31:55,000
Yeah, DMT, The DMT, you can
actually get it and secrete it

3334
02:31:55,000 --> 02:31:58,480
through your through your pineal
gland, through breath work,

3335
02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:02,160
crazy breath work.
And and I think.

3336
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:05,440
It's very important for deep
trauma especially, and I think

3337
02:32:05,440 --> 02:32:08,520
after World War 2, we're just
dealing with a world of of deep

3338
02:32:08,520 --> 02:32:11,480
trauma just keeps getting
perpetuated throughout the

3339
02:32:11,480 --> 02:32:14,480
generations.
So I.

3340
02:32:14,480 --> 02:32:18,120
I've had experiences with
ayahuasca now with, I mean, I

3341
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:21,960
used to take addicts from Miami
to Mexico to do iboga, drug

3342
02:32:21,960 --> 02:32:25,560
addicts, but that I didn't
really focus on the trip with

3343
02:32:25,560 --> 02:32:28,800
them so much at more of just
like the healing and yeah, just

3344
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:29,880
get them there.
Get.

3345
02:32:29,880 --> 02:32:33,160
Them off of opiates, you know,
it wasn't really what you see

3346
02:32:33,160 --> 02:32:36,400
what you experience.
But with tikkun, I was taking

3347
02:32:36,400 --> 02:32:43,360
some people to do ayahuasca and
it's just it it it's so it's

3348
02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:45,640
like the ultimate catharsis,
right?

3349
02:32:45,640 --> 02:32:49,840
Catharsis is Freud's way of when
you talk about your pain, you

3350
02:32:49,840 --> 02:32:53,600
let it out right?
And crying and laughing is your

3351
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:58,200
way of it's words.
It's words that you're you're

3352
02:32:58,880 --> 02:33:02,880
it's words you don't know how to
verbalize your soul just makes

3353
02:33:02,880 --> 02:33:08,240
it come out as tears, laughter.
And that I think that ayahuasca,

3354
02:33:08,240 --> 02:33:12,360
these DMT things do that.
And it, it, it goes, it's like a

3355
02:33:12,360 --> 02:33:15,680
deep dive into yourself, into
who you are, your true nature,

3356
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:19,400
your history, your past.
And there was a few crazy

3357
02:33:19,400 --> 02:33:22,080
stories that I had just don't
know, like HIPAA violation.

3358
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:25,240
If I'm a lotta, I mean, if she
hears this, she would know I'm

3359
02:33:25,240 --> 02:33:26,960
talking about her.
But is that a HIPAA?

3360
02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:28,080
Violation.
I don't know.

3361
02:33:28,360 --> 02:33:29,360
I don't think so.
It's always.

3362
02:33:29,440 --> 02:33:33,080
Completely anonymous, so it.
Was a person who they were

3363
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:36,720
depressed from the 8 from
literally 5-6 years old.

3364
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:40,600
This is what her parents said in
and out of treatment, treatment

3365
02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:43,760
resistant depression.
Finally her parents was like, we

3366
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:48,880
want her to do ayahuasca.
She came to do ayahuasca and we

3367
02:33:48,920 --> 02:33:51,800
were there to help her with,
with integration and whatever,

3368
02:33:51,800 --> 02:33:57,080
just holding space.
She did it and she, she

3369
02:33:57,080 --> 02:33:59,240
afterwards I was like talking,
we were talking.

3370
02:33:59,240 --> 02:34:03,720
She said that she it had taken.
She said ayahuasca took her back

3371
02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:06,400
to her mother's womb and.
When she was in her.

3372
02:34:06,400 --> 02:34:09,440
Womb.
There was another baby in there

3373
02:34:09,440 --> 02:34:13,320
with her and then when she came
out of the womb it was just her

3374
02:34:13,320 --> 02:34:17,760
by herself and that when she was
on ayahuasca, she met her

3375
02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:21,600
sister.
Who she didn't know.

3376
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:25,640
That she had who had died.
She was stillborn, and her

3377
02:34:25,640 --> 02:34:29,360
sister's neshama told her that
she's perfectly happy.

3378
02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:32,640
Her soul said that I'm perfectly
happy in heaven.

3379
02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:35,720
I'm sitting next to God,
everything is good.

3380
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:39,720
I'm living in utter joy and
bliss and I'm waiting for you

3381
02:34:39,720 --> 02:34:45,760
and you need to let me go and
live your life, get married,

3382
02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:49,880
have a happy life.
I I even think she told her like

3383
02:34:49,880 --> 02:34:52,000
a name of who she's going to
marry and how many kids she's.

3384
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:54,840
But like.
That can't be confirmed yet.

3385
02:34:57,960 --> 02:35:00,440
And then she called, we called
her mother, she called her

3386
02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:02,800
mother and we were there and she
said.

3387
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:06,880
That she said she's.
Telling her the story and her

3388
02:35:06,880 --> 02:35:11,480
mother because there was just a
silence on the phone and we

3389
02:35:11,480 --> 02:35:15,040
heard her mother like muffle the
phone and ask the husband if she

3390
02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:17,360
ever told her, if he ever told
her.

3391
02:35:17,880 --> 02:35:20,800
And he responded, we heard why
would I ever tell her?

3392
02:35:20,840 --> 02:35:25,400
Why would that ever help her?
And we immediately realized that

3393
02:35:25,400 --> 02:35:29,080
like this was true that she had
a twin and the twin was a

3394
02:35:29,080 --> 02:35:30,920
stillborn.
Her parents had never told her

3395
02:35:30,920 --> 02:35:33,760
about it and that her entire
life she was depressed because

3396
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:38,040
she missed this this other piece
of her because a twins are

3397
02:35:38,040 --> 02:35:41,920
really one cell, right?
Was meiosis or whatever it's

3398
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:45,720
called, where they split and
that she was missing her and

3399
02:35:45,720 --> 02:35:49,480
that she finally got this
release from that other soul

3400
02:35:49,880 --> 02:35:55,800
telling her to go live her life.
It was a wild story.

3401
02:35:55,800 --> 02:35:57,480
It was a wild story through the
craziest.

3402
02:35:57,480 --> 02:35:58,680
Stories ever heard of my entire
life?

3403
02:35:58,680 --> 02:35:59,960
By the way, there was another
guy.

3404
02:35:59,960 --> 02:36:03,360
Who he was a sex addict.
He was like a porn addict and

3405
02:36:03,360 --> 02:36:06,560
and prostitutes and things and
married, married, divorced and.

3406
02:36:07,360 --> 02:36:10,960
And he went.
Back Ayahuasca took him back.

3407
02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:17,840
This is a wild story to when he
was being conceived and he was

3408
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:19,720
like in the bedroom with his
parents.

3409
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:21,400
No way.
And he saw.

3410
02:36:21,400 --> 02:36:26,240
How his father was just using
his mother for sexual lust and

3411
02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:29,280
there was no love whatsoever in
that union.

3412
02:36:29,720 --> 02:36:31,320
And that's what he was born
from.

3413
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:34,240
Wow.
And he realized that his sex

3414
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:36,960
addiction was because of that.
That caught.

3415
02:36:37,040 --> 02:36:41,120
This and then and he stopped.
He's free from his sex

3416
02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:44,040
addiction.
Wow, like these are so.

3417
02:36:44,800 --> 02:36:47,280
So what do you do to?
What's the What's this I think?

3418
02:36:47,320 --> 02:36:50,560
Iboga we're trying with ibogaine
like I think that is the most

3419
02:36:50,560 --> 02:36:53,720
potent DMT psychedelic out there
and it works for opioid

3420
02:36:53,720 --> 02:36:57,160
addiction and traumatic brain
injury and I think it will have

3421
02:36:57,480 --> 02:37:02,560
the most immediate effect on
society to help addiction.

3422
02:37:02,760 --> 02:37:07,720
Are they downsized?
Not that I've no, I mean unless

3423
02:37:07,720 --> 02:37:12,200
it's like it's a bad trip and
they go through psychosis, but I

3424
02:37:12,200 --> 02:37:16,640
think if everything is downside
of ibogaine is it could have

3425
02:37:16,760 --> 02:37:21,520
caused QT prolongations, but
that's why they figured out it's

3426
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:24,720
an EKG.
When it's you beep, beep, beep,

3427
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:28,760
beep your heartbeat.
So the QT is when it's between

3428
02:37:28,760 --> 02:37:31,920
beats it there's a resting
period.

3429
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:33,880
Yeah, it's.
A It's a little longer that

3430
02:37:33,880 --> 02:37:35,320
could get.
Prolonged, interesting.

3431
02:37:35,400 --> 02:37:38,480
And if a person has like heart
condition before before and

3432
02:37:38,480 --> 02:37:40,880
their murmurs, it might not
restart, right?

3433
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:44,800
So first of all, that happens
like 1 personally the person, if

3434
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:47,120
you pre screen the person to see
if they have any pre-existing

3435
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:49,840
heart conditions, if they don't,
that never happens.

3436
02:37:50,200 --> 02:37:52,800
Even if they do, you could shock
them.

3437
02:37:53,480 --> 02:37:55,600
Even if they do, that would
still never happen.

3438
02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:58,120
Maybe one in 10,000 people,
right?

3439
02:37:58,120 --> 02:38:01,520
Even one of those 10,000 people,
you can immediately shock them

3440
02:38:01,520 --> 02:38:03,600
and restart the the heart,
right?

3441
02:38:05,240 --> 02:38:07,640
So it's just this, these were
learned over the past like 30

3442
02:38:07,640 --> 02:38:10,320
years of researching ibogaine.
Also, if they have a magnesium

3443
02:38:10,320 --> 02:38:15,840
drip, the magnesium allows like
it, it, it doesn't it, it

3444
02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:19,000
protects the heart somehow.
It also keeps the person

3445
02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:21,160
hydrated.
So there's, there's a lot of

3446
02:38:21,160 --> 02:38:25,080
safety protocols that can be
that are put in place to to make

3447
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:27,320
sure there's no, there's, there
don't have to be any side

3448
02:38:27,320 --> 02:38:29,440
effects, right?
And I would just say a bad trip,

3449
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:32,880
but even a bad trip, if you have
a good professional who's there

3450
02:38:32,880 --> 02:38:35,920
to help integration, you're,
you're good like you're good.

3451
02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:38,120
So they really so.
They've covered all the bases,

3452
02:38:38,280 --> 02:38:40,040
yeah, I think.
So and that's what they're

3453
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:40,720
still.
So how do you so?

3454
02:38:40,920 --> 02:38:44,200
How so?
So we need the FDA.

3455
02:38:44,480 --> 02:38:47,160
To want to look at it.
The FDA has never wanted to even

3456
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:48,800
look at it.
Now they're going to want to

3457
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:50,800
look at it.
RFK has spoken about it, right?

3458
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:55,120
So I think they're going to look
at it and I think they'll

3459
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:57,680
approve it.
And I think ayahuasca is good.

3460
02:38:57,680 --> 02:38:59,680
Go to a place that has a
religious exemption.

3461
02:38:59,960 --> 02:39:02,880
If you have some deep trauma,
like or even not deep trauma,

3462
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:06,160
complex trauma, which is like
needling throughout your life.

3463
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:09,040
It's not like one major event
and it's just like you were put

3464
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:11,360
down throughout your whole life.
Sure, sure, sure.

3465
02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:15,000
It could cause complex trauma.
I think.

3466
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:17,840
Ayahuasca could really open a
person up and I think it's just

3467
02:39:17,840 --> 02:39:21,400
like it's it's going to connect
people with themselves again,

3468
02:39:21,400 --> 02:39:23,320
with their own identities and
with each other.

3469
02:39:23,320 --> 02:39:25,320
And I think that's what brings
Mushiya.

3470
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:27,560
I hope so.
I hope you're right.

3471
02:39:28,040 --> 02:39:31,080
Maybe we'll do another podcast.
Maybe I feel like we didn't even

3472
02:39:31,080 --> 02:39:33,080
like, I feel like we didn't even
scratch the surface, but I feel

3473
02:39:33,080 --> 02:39:36,680
like it's so much fun and, and
time just slips by before you

3474
02:39:36,680 --> 02:39:38,600
know it.
But thank you so much for this

3475
02:39:38,600 --> 02:39:41,880
time and thanks for doing this.
I, I, you know, we talked to

3476
02:39:41,880 --> 02:39:44,520
just a random introduction from
a friend of mine that bumped a

3477
02:39:44,520 --> 02:39:47,560
cigarette off you and, and then
he called me up.

3478
02:39:47,560 --> 02:39:49,400
He goes, I bet it's really cool
to do that.

3479
02:39:49,720 --> 02:39:51,720
You know, I think I think you'd
be a lot of fun in your podcast.

3480
02:39:51,720 --> 02:39:54,920
So I'm really excited about this
and I think it's a lot of fun.

3481
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:58,040
I'd love to do this again.
And I really appreciate your

3482
02:39:58,040 --> 02:39:59,440
time.
I really appreciate everything

3483
02:39:59,440 --> 02:40:00,640
you're doing and this whole
story.

3484
02:40:00,640 --> 02:40:03,440
And I think that.
Today's awesome.

3485
02:40:03,520 --> 02:40:06,120
I think that I think that the
more I think the more people

3486
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:09,480
hear stories and the more people
understand that, like everyone

3487
02:40:09,480 --> 02:40:12,560
understand that life is hard for
everyone.

3488
02:40:12,840 --> 02:40:15,000
It gives everyone strength to
kind of keep on pushing through

3489
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:18,360
and like, you know, and like you
understand, you're like, hey,

3490
02:40:18,360 --> 02:40:20,440
I'm not alone.
And like, I don't have to like,

3491
02:40:20,480 --> 02:40:24,360
like, just hearing other people
have gone through it themselves,

3492
02:40:24,360 --> 02:40:29,320
you know, just such an enormous
benefit that, you know, it could

3493
02:40:29,320 --> 02:40:33,720
just be such a net positive.
Life is hard for everybody, but

3494
02:40:33,720 --> 02:40:36,040
the hardness makes the good
times even better.

3495
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:37,560
Yeah.
Like you don't really appreciate

3496
02:40:37,560 --> 02:40:39,400
a vacation if you don't work
really hard.

3497
02:40:39,560 --> 02:40:41,280
Yeah.
Before the vacation, sure.

3498
02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:43,760
If you're just chilling all
year, the vacation is

3499
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:44,600
meaningless.
Yeah.

3500
02:40:45,440 --> 02:40:47,400
So yeah, I appreciate the.
Time.

3501
02:40:47,640 --> 02:40:49,520
Thank you so much.
All right, we'll call you here.

3502
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:50,520
Thank you so much.
Have a good night.