Health Series 2: Houston Concierge Medicine / Dr Greg Burzynski

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together

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and We're Live Doctor Burzynski.
Did I pronounce that correctly?

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You did wonderful.
How are you?

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Welcome.
Thank you so much for joining

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me.
How are you today?

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I'm very good, thanks for having
me.

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Great, great.
Can you?

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Do you want to start by telling
me a little bit about yourself?

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Where you're from, who, who are
you?

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What do you do?
Sure.

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I am a board certified internal
medicine physician 15 years out

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of residency.
I was born and raised in

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Houston, TX and I grew up in a
family of doctors and that's

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what I was exposed to and I
ended up meeting my wife in

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medical school.
We were not an item then, but

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later we became one and we
continue that medical journey

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together, opening up a clinic,
Houston Concierge Medicine.

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And a part of that is also
restore longevity.

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So we're passionate about
helping people live their best

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life possible.
That's awesome.

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That's awesome.
And I know Houston's a huge

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medical town, right?
Huge it is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I sell.

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I sell medical equipment,
refurbished equipment.

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And so we do a lot of business
in your neck of the woods over

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there and it's very popular.
How did your What is your What

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kind of medicine is your family
practice when you say you come

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from a family of doctors?
Sure.

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So the person that started this
was my uncle.

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He was a cardiologist in Poland.
And then my father was a

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physician and my mother is,
well, he was one of the youngest

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people to finish medical school.
And then being in Poland, it

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wasn't the place to be,
unfortunately, during those

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Soviet times.
So he escaped and was able to

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flourish in the United States.
And along with my mother, she

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eventually came to Texas.
And then they built their own

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practice and Research Institute.
And he had a discovery, he

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discovered a treatment for
cancer that was endogenous to

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the human body.
And I grew up in all that.

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Well, they're called the
Antennoplastons.

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And it, it was a really
interesting being around that

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when you're, when you're a kid
and seeing people get better and

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you kind of get older and you
realize that what you're going

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to do this is pretty cool.
If you're at the intersection of

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helping people and being
compensated for, why not?

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So that got me where I am today
and I'm still passionate about

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helping people.
And if it's almost not like it's

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work, but of course there are
parts of medicine that are a

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little full burden, which every
doctor knows about.

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But of course we do, because of
the joy we get, hopefully for

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for the impact it makes in
people's lives.

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Totally, totally.
I'm so, so it's so funny that

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you mentioned that immediately
off the bat, because one of the

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things I was going to ask based
on a lot of the stuff I was

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looking at in your site, it
looks like a lot of non

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conventional stuff.
You know that, you know, that

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I'm pretty surprised that
doctors, you know, from your

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grandparents or parents would
have been, you know, would have

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been, I guess, you know, excited
about, you know, and I feel like

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today a lot of the stuff that
you do, or I guess not today,

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but even as a 1020 years ago, a
lot of stuff that you do today

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you offer red light peptides,
Ivs, stuff like that.

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It was almost like poo pooed.
Was that not the case when you

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were growing up?
Well, I mean, like with red

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light therapy, for example, it's
been out for a while.

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It's nothing really new.
It's called photodynamic

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therapy, but things coming in
out of fashion.

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And I think today we're having a
great renaissance in a lot of

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things that we sort of took for
granted because we realized that

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people in general society,
especially in the United States,

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is not getting healthier, which
is rather sad, or life

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expectancy is taking a dip.
So we're kind of returning to

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some basics.
And so the fact that they're not

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standard of care or not billable
to insurance does not mean they

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don't have a place in a person's
life, right?

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Because insurance does not make
money off of exercise or proper

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nutrition.
But these are things that are

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obvious.
So things like red light therapy

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are basically supporting us in a
world where we're in essentially

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these fluorescent office
buildings most of our day.

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If you're lucky enough to be out
there in the in the actual light

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and live a healthier life, and
that's great.

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But a lot of times we need
actual support to live a better

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life.
Right, right.

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Actually, that, that that brings
me up.

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You know, yesterday I did, I did
a podcast with a friend of mine.

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Can you hear me?
All right.

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Yeah.
Named Jonathan Oswald and he's a

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buddy of mine and he, he told me
he lived in Alaska for a year

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and I actually lived in Seattle
for a year as well.

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And one of the things that we
were talking about was was that

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the winters have really no, no
natural light, you know, and in

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Seattle, I mean, not to the same
extent, of course.

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He's more like missed, but can
you kind of explain a little

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bit, I guess, you know, to a
beginner like myself?

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Yeah.
You know what exactly is going

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on with that.
Sure.

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So I we our bodies followed with
circadian clock.

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We have a few clocks in our
body.

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Ideally we should see a sunrise
and a sunset.

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Now our great grandparents maybe
had that kind of a lifestyle,

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but we've we've deviated a lot
from it.

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And so if we're not able to get
enough of the healthy light

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during the right time of the
year, we may fall into a lesser

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level of health.
And this is documented with

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seasonal affective disorder and
people, the northern parts such

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as Scandinavia, European
countries, even parts of like

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Alaska, there there is a light
treatment that is able to

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reverse this because they are
just missing that super

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important part of their lives.
And that releases certain

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endogenous chemicals, proteins
in our body.

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And we're going back into the
sync of things and feeling much

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better.
So, so red light therapy has a

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lot of research, for example,
supporting improvement of mood,

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relieving injuries, building
collagen it, it goes a few

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nanometers into the skin and it
simulates the powerhouse of the

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cell to mitochondria and kind of
reboots everything.

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So if we're not able to be out
in the sun as our ancestors,

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this is something that can take
the place of that.

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Interesting.
That's so cool.

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And does it?
Does it?

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Does it I guess, follow the
logic that there'd be a

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particular time of day that'd be
better and more effective to get

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red light therapy if it's going
to be based on our circadian

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rhythms?
Right.

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So I use it sometimes as a pick
me up, so to speak, in the in

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the early part of the day.
A lot of people use it in the

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later part of the day to help
them kind of get that normal

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sunset feeling.
If one hasn't, for example, had

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the best night of sleep, then
they could get a little bit of

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the pick me up effect in the
midday or early day.

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So you can use it either part of
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Interesting, interesting.
So cool.

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So, so your family, so your
family has always kind of

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studied any kind of health and
medicine that applies.

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So, so when you went to Med
school, what was that?

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Was there a contrast between
what you grew up with and what

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the teachers were trying to tell
you or teach you?

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Right.
So the standard medical

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curriculum, I think everywhere
we'll take a deep dive into the

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basics like biochemistry,
Physiology, Physiology, anatomy,

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and then the treatments and the
diagnosis is in treatment.

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So as far as going
out-of-the-box, that's more of a

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self professed type of learning.
I think everybody can say that

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for the most part, and I think a
lot of people find it when their

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health deteriorates.
So it finds you and then you

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realize, uh huh, this is
something that is much better

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for me and makes sense.
Luckily, I've never had my

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health deteriorate.
I may have maybe been not the

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healthiest person at some point,
but it was something that I

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always appreciated and to me was
obvious.

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And what I'd like to think about
is just using everything in the

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toolbox.
So I'd like to use my standard

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of care knowledge of, of the
internal medicine, pharmacopia

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and all the things we do, but
also all the other things that

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have been around for, for ages
and the new things that are

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arriving.
Right, right.

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And So what are you excited
about?

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What's what's coming up that
you're excited about?

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Well, I think we're living in
amazing times right now.

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Hopefully we don't explode,
right?

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Because we're kind of in this
exciting time period, but

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there's also a lot of scary
things, scary things happening,

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right?
So we have technology that is

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becoming ever more powerful.
Obviously, AI is here and in the

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next two years may replace a lot
of jobs.

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So just like, for example, Uber
could not have been possible 30

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years ago, there are certain
things that I feel will be

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making the lives of people so
much better, as will doctors.

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And we'll have this sort of
confluence of a lot of things

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arriving and that will make the
care more effective, safer and

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affordable.
Now, how we get there is a

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question, of course, because
this is not the IT world.

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We have lots of regulation in
medicine, for better and for

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worse.
But I'm I'm optimistic because

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I'm seeing so many exciting
things arriving that can catch

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disease early and change the
trajectory.

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Right.
So can you give me some examples

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of specific things that we're
catching early?

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I mean, there's so many.
I'm sorry.

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There's just so many different
topics I want to cover over

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here.
I'm just so excited to figure

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these out.
Yeah, talk these out.

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Well, in the world of cancer
detection, we are getting more

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and more tests that are able to
find this horrible disease

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earlier and for the most part we
can do better if we find it

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early.
So I've been ordering the early

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detection test like Gallery.
There's another test that's come

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to market that's a competitor
and a third one is coming out

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and a fourth one.
There are specific Oregon site

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tests that can tell us if you
have what be what are the

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beginnings of a cancer such as
Barrett's esophagus.

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You can swallow a noodle type
thing and it'll travel down to

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your stomach and then it brushes
your esophagus to see if you

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have the beginnings of
esophageal adenocarcinoma or a

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precursor lesion, right?
Because really in today's world,

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we still screen for very few
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We look for breast cancer in
women, we look for colon cancer.

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We look for cervical cancer and
prostate cancer.

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The rest of the diseases, we
basically say, good luck, come

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in for your yearly physical and
hope everything happens well,

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right?
But so many is.

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That because of lack of
resources, why do we only?

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Why do we test those in terms
for such a limited number of of

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types of cancers?
Well, the way that medicine

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works is to get a test to the
masses, we have to have lots of

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data saying that it makes sense.
So at the same time, we have new

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technologies that are coming out
that will hopefully be able to

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do that, but they will take
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So right now, these tests are
only available to the people

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willing to pay for them out of
pocket and for doctors that are

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aggressive or interested in
doing so.

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So that is the problem.
And it's kind of like I'd like

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to say the Tesla Roadster,
right, where first people that

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had the Tesla Roadster were
relatively wealthy people, then

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you had different models come
out eventually, the Model 3,

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which is kind of like the
cheapest version that anybody

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can afford.
So that takes time, and in

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medicine especially, that takes
even longer.

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Right, right, right.
So if you go.

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To an average type of clinic,
you're just going to get that

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average set of options.
Some people may have an out of

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pay option, but they might not
be exactly willing to even talk

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about it.
So unless it's blessed, so to

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speak, by an organization like
the United States Preventative

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Task Force, a lot of
organizations will not be using

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it until that blessing.
But as you know, it takes time

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to get to there.
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unfortunately, people suffer
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appropriate care.
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expensive, but if they save your
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the cost in multiples.
Sure, sure.

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I could.
Imagine.

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What?
So what?

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What did your grandfather
discover about cancer?

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Father.
Father.

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Grandfather.
I'm sorry.

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Father.
Father.

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Father.
I'm sorry.

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Yeah.
What did your father discover

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how that happened?
Did, I mean, I feel like I don't

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hear about the fact that we have
cures for cancer.

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You know, is it a particular
type that he's curing or is it,

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you know, is this information
obscure?

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What about it?
How did that happen?

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certain peptides and other
things in their body that sick

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people with cancer, for example,
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them to those people that are
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recoveries and are cured.
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developed, patented, and has
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market with some trials and
tribulations.

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This doesn't work for everybody,
but some people are beautiful

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responders and have lived their
lives and are cured.

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others not so much.
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toxicity is very minimal as
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the treatments are getting a bit

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better and the outcomes as well.
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I think that might, you know,
the only the, the main ones that

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I've heard of obviously are
chemo or you know, surgery, you

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know, so I guess something more
invasive.

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What other what other methods do
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or so are the immunotherapies.
The immunotherapies are super

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exciting.
They unlock the immune system's

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brakes, so to speak, in one's
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attacks the cancer cells.
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durable long remissions.
Some cancers are more what we

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call immunogenic or hot.
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extremely effective, while
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have had to suffer and not do
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therapies.
They are like smart chemos, but

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they're not cytotoxic
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the signaling pathways and gene
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glitch or problem.
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on board and you know the
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the disease, then you'll ideally
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I see.
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So it's kind of being able to
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that needs the that I guess
where the cancer is and being

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able to target it and then help
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support.
So it's kind of like back in the

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day when we had infectious
diseases and we were just

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sprinkling the same antibiotic
and everything and it wasn't

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working quite well.
We we got more sophisticated and

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we were able to delineate which
bacteria could be more

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responsive to other treatments.
And that's what's very nice

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about the past few years.
We are able to do gene analysis

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on the cancer tissue and blood
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disease is representing on a
very sophisticated molecular

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level.
Because previously we were just

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looking at the pathology, which
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pattern recognition of a cancer,
which is, which is, which is

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great.
But that has that's the

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technology that's been around
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the nitty gritty and hopefully
get smarter options into the

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into this, into the cancer cells
of the body and have way better

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responses.
So you can have, for example, a

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scan like a PET scan, which is
showing all these areas of tumor

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and a body and patient be
riddled with it.

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But if you give the right recipe
or treatment, that next follow

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up scan could be nearly clear or
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And that's the beauty of some of
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So that's right.
So with the help of things like

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AI and and better therapeutics,
hopefully we'll have more of

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those things.
Yeah, I've heard a couple of I'm

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going to butcher his name, but
Chamath Pali Patiya, whatever is

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I don't ever had to pronounce
his last name.

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But he was mentioning how his,
you know, I've heard him say a

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couple of times already that
when it comes to breast cancer

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screening or actually, you know,
surgery to remove a tumor, that

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I think he said like 30% or 33%
of doctor of physicians do not

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entirely remove the tumor.
And and then the woman has to go

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back.
And then 33% of those won't have

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to.
And then so you go so out of 10

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women, one's going to have to go
through three separate surgeries

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with AI that answers like 0.
Yeah, and I've seen that before

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because you're only as good as
the surgeon's eyes and cutting.

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Right, right, right, right.
So, so that's, so that's an area

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where AI would really, really be
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Definitely.
And there's also these markers

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that one can put to better
visualize what's going on so

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that that way you can see the
full extent of the of the

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cancer.
Right, right, right.

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Can we talk a little bit about
vitamins and minerals in

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general?
Definitely.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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So my, so my, my son is too.
And you know, he's a lot of

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personality, a lot of fun, loves
to run around.

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But there was a, a little maybe
a couple of months where he was

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always exhausted, always looking
to take a nap.

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And he started getting like
bluish kind of purple color

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under his eyes.
We took him to the doctor.

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The doctor said he's running
very low on iron, you know, and

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then apparently iron, iron
deficiency causes exhaustion,

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potential mood swings, stuff
like that.

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What are some, what I guess
based what are some general

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vitamins and minerals that
people can can people use that

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are easily available that are
just, you know, always

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beneficial and in what way?
Well, it all depends on the

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patient, honestly.
I know that's maybe something

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generalized, but but for
children it's exquisitely

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different than in adults.
And I see adults and for my

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kiddos I sometimes have to also
phone a friend because children

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are not small adults, right?
So you have to 1st understand

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why is there a low iron problem?
Why is there iron deficiency?

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It shouldn't just be happening
unless the diet is one that is

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iron poor.
There could be an absorption

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problem.
There could be something else.

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That's going on and it needs to
have a work up.

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So before we just start
supplementing minerals and

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vitamins for fun, we I always
like to get a baseline

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assessment.
So taking just supplements for

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the sake of taking them.
I mean, you can do that, but I

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like to have a clear rationale
why we're doing this.

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So if we're talking about
adults, I think you you can say

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that probably fish oil can
generally help most people.

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It's great for the brain, it's
good for the lipids.

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Now you don't want to overdo it
as well.

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I have patients take a
sophisticated test which is used

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by the company Boston, which is
made by the committee, for

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example, Boston Heart, and you
see the different levels of your

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fatty acids, your fish oil
levels, so to speak.

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And if you need more or less
because some people could be

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overdoing it or underdoing it.
What is what does it provide?

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Fish oil.
Well, we feel that it feel it

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helps with membrane stability,
it helps with lipid metabolism.

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So with that it helps with
better just mood benefit helps

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the joints it it helps numerous
systems in the body.

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There's something like vitamin
B12, which if you're deficient

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on that, you'll have the disease
called combined deficiency

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because about a dozen systems
will be faltering.

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So if you're not getting in your
B12 level, getting in your B12

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supplementation, and if you even
have something called pernicious

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anemia where you have antibodies
to these receptors that take

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that in, you'll have weakness,
cognitive problems, you'll have

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a type of anemia forming and you
will be a mess, literally.

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So supplementing just that one
vitamin is super important.

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So I mean, the topic is huge.
So I'm not A1 size fits all guy.

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I I like to kind of personalize
everything depending on what's

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going on and what your baseline
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And that depends on largely what
you're doing as far as your

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exercise or lack of your sleep
quality in the diet you're

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getting.
Because if you're a vegan, then

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you're going to need different
things than a meat eater or

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somebody with a more balanced
diet.

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So, so for example, my children,
the only thing they really take

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is a high quality pre probiotic.
They we're trying, we'll

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probably start.
We, we occasionally give them

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like vitamin gummies, but for,
for my 6 and 9 year old, we keep

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it pretty simple.
And there's also the challenge

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of getting them to take
something, which I think you'll

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find right.
Because if you have a 2 year old

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and you have older children, I
don't know.

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No, he's the oldest.
It's 2:00 and then I have a weak

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old.
So he doesn't have much choice,

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right?
He just, you give them a

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suspension type formulation or
or some sort of chewable and

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hopefully it works.
But what they might not be

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excited to do certain things if
you if they're a little fussy.

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So that's another element of
challenge.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's so funny because I found

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that, you know, the more I've
been learning about this stuff

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and the more people I've been
talking to about this, I'm

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either met with a very blank
stare or a whole lot of

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enthusiasm, you know?
And it doesn't feel like there's

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a whole lot of in between out
there.

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But I mean, listen, as far as
far as, you know, my own

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lifestyle and, you know, my own,
you know, I, I mean, I'm, I'm

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turning 30 in a couple of months
and I've been, and you know, I,

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I feel in the last couple of
years healthier than I've ever

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been before.
And I'm taking, I exercise

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daily.
I, I sit outside.

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I live in South Florida, so I
sit outside.

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I get plenty of sunlight, you
know, I, I, I, I, I cut out a

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lot of processed crap.
And, you know, even I still

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have, you know, you know, I
still treat myself every now and

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then, but in much, much, much
smaller portions than I've ever

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had before.
And I just feel like a different

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human being, you know, And then
I have a, another end of the

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spectrum.
I have a buddy of mine who's 22

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who told me that he fell the
other day.

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And then he said, falling should
not be that difficult for a 22

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year old should not have that
kind of burden on you, you know,

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And so, you know, I, I, I, I
don't really know, you know, and

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I'm telling him, Hey, man, you
got to start exercising.

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I got to start, you know, taking
just eating healthier a little

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bit or maybe take, you know,
supplementing yourself.

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And he kind of just looks at it
like it's an overwhelming and

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you know, just endless To Do
List of things to keep on top

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of.
You know, what do you, what do

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you, how do we, how do you kind
of make it a little bit more

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digestible for people?
Well, I think it's also age

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specific because if you if
you're in your 20s, you feel

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like you're mortal and you're
not going to really focus on

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your health too much longevity
unless you're really into that

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realm.
So that kind of happens more

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when you realize that your
health is worsening.

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And then you wake up a little
bit.

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You probably, as you get older,
you'll see people around you

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getting sick, you might lose a
parent and you basically have

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this epiphany that oh wow, this
could be me, right?

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So when you're 22, that's
typically not what you're

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thinking about.
So you're eating fast food, but

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you shouldn't you're misbehaving
maybe by going out too much

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drinking or whatever you're
doing, but technically kind of

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immortal.
And then you arrive to that

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destination hopefully, because
if you don't, then you are going

454
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,080
to be pretty sick.
So it, it kind of solves itself.

455
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,880
I feel some people never get the
memo, so to speak.

456
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,720
They just continued that
trajectory of poor health, which

457
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,760
is, which is very sad.
And I can't get to them.

458
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,920
Sometimes I can't explain to
them why it's important.

459
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,160
I feel like it's almost like a
depression.

460
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:12,000
So at the end of the day, I feel
this generation, the younger

461
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,360
one, is doing things differently
for the better, but they're also

462
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840
doing things I think, which are
counterproductive.

463
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,080
But each generation has that
about them.

464
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,600
In what?
So if we, if we are overall,

465
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,440
let's say this younger
generation being health, you

466
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,000
know, emphasizing health a
little bit more.

467
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Like I've noticed, for example,
that at least in my circles and

468
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,280
my family's circles, alcohol
used to be enormous, you know,

469
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,240
and, and, you know, and then,
and now it's really, really

470
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,560
slowed down.
But cannabis has really, really

471
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,560
exploded.
Almost like instead, you know,

472
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,520
like it almost feels like, you
know, everyone decides to just

473
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,720
put down their bottles and stop
buying Jack Daniels and they

474
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,480
started hitting their
dispensaries instead.

475
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,840
What, what what what?
What habits were you referring

476
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,520
to when you say that?
Exactly, I have a family member

477
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,960
who is in the beverage industry
and you can see that alcohol

478
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,320
sales for the most part have
plummeted in the younger

479
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,800
generation.
I, I believe the only alcohol

480
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,320
that's doing well now is sake
for whatever reason.

481
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,600
And then marijuana, weed is just
so accessible.

482
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,920
And if you're doing marijuana
in, in my day, you're definitely

483
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,360
a bad boy, right?
It, it was something that you

484
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:29,160
couldn't access that easily, but
now it's kind of replaced that

485
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,200
of the bud light, right?
Where for us in high school,

486
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,240
it's like you go to a party,
everybody, there's like a

487
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,480
suitcase of Bud Light here and
there and that was kind of the

488
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,120
norm and nobody was really
smoking in in the open.

489
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,080
And that's drastically changed
now.

490
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,080
Alcohol, we're learning more and
more is bad for you.

491
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,880
There's a very few studies that
I have found that show that show

492
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,800
that the truism of, yes, you can
have two glasses of wine and

493
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,320
that this should be part of your
longevity routine.

494
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,920
That's not not not the case.
Where did that come?

495
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,400
From how do you, how do you
even, how did that rumor even

496
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,040
get started?
If that was never, if that

497
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,960
wasn't ever really the case,
like how did that get

498
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,240
popularized?
I think it was a cardiovascular

499
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,360
study which showed benefits.
The French paradox, it's called

500
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,120
where the French did that and
they lived happy, robust lives,

501
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:29,200
maybe outpacing the Americans
and had better cardiovascular

502
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,920
outcomes with a little bit of a
negative effect on the liver

503
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,880
now.
But the problem is, I think if

504
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,360
you look at the Mediterranean
and the French and the European

505
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,920
cultures, especially Europe in
general, the food quality is so

506
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,480
much better, right?
So they have so many things that

507
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,280
are positive headwinds, right?
They have the better the lack

508
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280
of, you know, toxins in the food
preservatives.

509
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,320
They are, I think, more social
people.

510
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,240
They are active.
They are walking.

511
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Most places here, especially in
Houston, we're condemned to a

512
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,320
car.
So then they don't have the

513
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,480
obesity that the Americans have,
although they are catching up a

514
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,000
bit, right?
So are they?

515
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,920
Is it because is is is the food
changing or is it the lifestyle?

516
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,480
I I think just the introduction
of more fast food and just the

517
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,880
slow Americanization, I, I think
that's kind of a global trend,

518
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,400
especially in the Latin
countries and the Middle East.

519
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Interesting.
Yeah.

520
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,880
But cannabis, Yes, yes.
So cannabis, the problem is when

521
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:54,480
cannabis replaced the Bud Light,
I think it causes now more

522
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,680
problems with developmental,
just wiring of the brain.

523
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,440
So if kids are starting to do
marijuana in high school and

524
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,840
that's the go to, I don't think
necessarily that is helping

525
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,280
their brain development.
And they may not have for

526
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,360
example, these other problems
that alcohol comes with.

527
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:22,720
But I just don't feel that it is
creating a generation that will

528
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,480
be unscathed and some people
will unfortunately have later

529
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,880
problems.
And, and even more so with in

530
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Texas, we have the smoke shops,
the CBD shops where you have

531
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:41,320
these weird substances that are
intermixed into the, the THC and

532
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,640
the vaping.
And I think that is causing a

533
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,400
huge problem.
And I can see that because I had

534
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,120
AI had a a hospital come by the
other day.

535
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,480
And I asked him who do you see
the most as far as addiction, as

536
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,720
far as what kind of clientele?
And he said definitely the

537
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,920
vapes.
We see a lot of people that are

538
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,720
addicted to these vapes.
And that's the problem nowadays.

539
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,240
So yeah.
I think it's a combination of

540
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,360
the oral fixation and the
accessibility.

541
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,400
I feel like it's the, you know,
like it gives you something to

542
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,840
do.
And I also think that social

543
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,760
anxiety, I think that social
anxiety, I think, you know, is

544
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,920
something that I don't think
that young, the younger

545
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,880
generation or even the middle or
older age generation has really

546
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,520
entirely recovered from since
COVID.

547
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,880
And I think that a lot of people
don't really know what to do

548
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,640
with themselves.
And always having a substance or

549
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,520
always having something
acceptable, accessible makes it

550
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,800
makes, you know, makes it a lot
more easy on the nerves.

551
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,720
What about what about if you're
older for like, what if, you

552
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,040
know, say someone like myself,
if my friends and myself decided

553
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,040
that, you know, we're going to
watch, you know, basketball game

554
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,240
tonight instead of having a
bunch of beers, we're going to

555
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,200
drink.
Can you hear me?

556
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,480
Yeah, yeah.
Instead of having a bunch of

557
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,080
beers, we're going to, we're
going to, we're going to smoke a

558
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,080
Jay or have an edible with that
for for a 30 year old adult male

559
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,000
with what would the consequences
be?

560
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,160
Sure.
So your brain's developed,

561
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,400
right?
Our our brain, we believe is

562
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
still developing up to age 25.
So that's a positive for you.

563
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,320
The second thing is what's the
dose and how your personal

564
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,440
biochemistry reacts to
something?

565
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,560
So probably at a low dose, it's
no problem, but the problem is

566
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,120
some people are sensitive to
these things and that could

567
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,160
cause them a problem down the
line, like the first psychosis

568
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,440
or another mental issue.
So we can actually spot that.

569
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,520
If you do a genetic test, you
can see if you're somebody that

570
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,120
shouldn't probably be doing THC
or, or things like that.

571
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,280
So just like with alcohol, you
know, some people have a glass

572
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,560
of wine, they're able to
function, but some people, they

573
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,000
have a glass of wine, then they
have a few more glasses of wine,

574
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,360
and that's repetitive and
suddenly they can't stop.

575
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,560
And why is that?
So I think it's just like with

576
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,080
alcohol.
I think alcohol could be a good

577
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,200
thing in moderation.
And when used in, you know, as a

578
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,720
social lubricant, it's perfectly
fine as long as people, the

579
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,680
right people, are able to handle
it and society doesn't suffer.

580
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,920
Yeah, yeah, I certainly hope so.
I yeah.

581
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,280
I, I haven't really made-up my
mind on what I think about this

582
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,840
transition.
I, I, I, I, I, I tend to lean in

583
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,440
the direction that I prefer
cannabis to alcohol.

584
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,720
I think that some of the
conversations I've had in my

585
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,360
life that I'm least proud of,
I'd, you know, I've been drunk

586
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,000
with, you know, I've been drunk
during, and you know, the times

587
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,480
where I've acted in the most
reckless ways, it's been, you

588
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,280
know, when I've been, when I've
been drunk, you know, whereas,

589
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,880
you know, I guess overeating
might be an, you know, might be

590
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,480
an issue, you know, when you're,
when you're, when you're

591
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,600
smoking, But, you know, I didn't
really have much.

592
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,440
And I mean, I guess, and I guess
laziness and, and that's really,

593
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,560
and I've noticed that as time
went on, the feeling of

594
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,040
exhaustion or laziness.
It's a, it's a totally different

595
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,040
type of effect, but I think that
it's less harmful to others

596
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,760
around you.
It might be less personally like

597
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,680
as as as an individual.
It may have, you know, might be

598
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,560
less than ideal, but you're
getting a far.

599
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,280
I mean, I don't know the last
time I heard a story of a pot of

600
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,320
a of a guy, you know, a guy
drinking a smoking AJ and

601
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,199
beating his wife and kid as
opposed to alcoholic dad that,

602
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360
you know, drink a half a bottle
or a six pack and became

603
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,280
abusive.
Exactly.

604
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:30,000
I'll give you the example of,
for example, the Europeans did

605
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,639
not have coffee until the Battle
of Vienna occurred, right?

606
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,159
So then that was something that
actually spurred on the

607
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,440
Renaissance, OK.
And you have the salons with

608
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,320
fine coffee.
And it was a stimulant.

609
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,840
So the main drink was usually
booze, right?

610
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
So that was a depressant just
like weed is.

611
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,400
So you have the stimulant, which
is allowing people to be more

612
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,640
active in society, I think
became just amazing, right?

613
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,200
You had all these beautiful
things being formed.

614
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,200
So I think in general, for the
most part, THC may create some

615
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,640
good things, but I think in
general it's it's kind of a

616
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,520
blanket right where people don't
want to do as much.

617
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,640
Yeah, yeah, I've certainly found
that.

618
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,960
I've found that to be the case
among the other conditions that

619
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,200
that you guys treat.
I've noticed I'm really

620
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,560
interested actually in in the
mental health space, the

621
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,600
anxiety, the depression, the
addiction, alcohol, opioid

622
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:38,960
addiction.
What's your, is your technique

623
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,440
therapeutic?
Is it chemical?

624
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,800
Is it, you know, is it plant
medicine?

625
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,200
What do you, what do you do for,
for these, you know, for these

626
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,840
type of mental health disorders
you'd call them I guess or

627
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,680
addictions?
Well, it's one of the things I

628
00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:02,640
do and I'm able to help people,
I think not have this destroy

629
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,520
you, right?
And I use the standard of care

630
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,200
medicines to help people.
And depending on what's going

631
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,160
on, those would be for example,
for alcohol, naltrexone a can

632
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,360
proceed and also disulfiram,
which is also called ansibusin

633
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,800
has a really potent effect where
what do they do sick?

634
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,480
Well, so I mean, those are the
pharmacological options, right?

635
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,040
And that's not too exciting.
And the counseling part some

636
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,600
people benefit from.
But I think what we are seeing

637
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,120
now when you mentioned plant
medicine is really interesting

638
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480
because these I think are more
of the solutions.

639
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,800
I'm more of the Band-Aid, I'll
admit that.

640
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,240
But if not me, then what else
can they do, right?

641
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,760
I, I, I don't claim to be able
to revert, save somebody from

642
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,200
their addiction.
It's it's it's it's a horrible

643
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,160
problem.
It's a horrible disease, yeah.

644
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,280
But with the tools we have
today, I'm able to at least hold

645
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,400
them steady, I hope, if
everything's going well.

646
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,960
So.
Pharmacologically, what's

647
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
happening to them?
Like so, so they're addicted.

648
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,880
And I'll tell you, you know,
alcohol addiction, right?

649
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,040
What you know, there's a
physical dependence on it.

650
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:14,000
What do these prescriptions do
to the body or do to, to help, I

651
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,200
guess either work with it or
alleviate it or help manage it.

652
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,080
What?
What happens?

653
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,840
Well, for example, naltrexone is
cutting the signal of pleasure

654
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,640
as much as possible.
Now alcohol is a dirty drug

655
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,480
first of all, so it splashes on
numerous receptors and

656
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,400
mechanisms.
So this is cutting one of the

657
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,080
feedback loops.
Sometimes it works beautifully

658
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,560
for people, but some people it
does not.

659
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
These other medicines try to cut
down on the cravings, like the

660
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,280
acamprosate, and then you have
the one that's disulfiram, which

661
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,480
basically if you have that in
your body, you're going to have

662
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,480
the worst hangover you've ever
had and start throwing up,

663
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,400
right?
So yes.

664
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,240
Now, because it's toxic.
Yes, because what happens?

665
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:02,560
Is it it the one of the
breakdown products of alcohol,

666
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Acetylaldehyde forms more more
quickly and that is the Super

667
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,040
hangover basically that you're
getting very quickly.

668
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,960
So people are not able to drink
on that because they are

669
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,240
wickedly ill.
But if you don't take it, it

670
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,600
does not work, right?
So, so it's basically a form of

671
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,400
touching the stove, right?
Therapy.

672
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,000
Now the things you mentioned
like ibogaine, that that sounds

673
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,880
really cool, right?
And doesn't help everybody, but

674
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,760
it needs to be studied more.
But what I'm hearing from some

675
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,120
folks is that it can basically
reset the brain and your desire

676
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,840
to drink goes away and you live
happily ever after, as opposed

677
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,720
to these other things where the
recurrence rate is so high and

678
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:50,080
people fail.
Are you skeptical of almost too

679
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,240
good to be true kind of thing?
Yeah.

680
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Well, that's the thing.
I've had people who've done the

681
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,400
ibogaine and it didn't work for
them.

682
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,080
So that's like every treatment.
It didn't work for them.

683
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,280
But I mean, I think it does work
for other people.

684
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,520
So you have to sort of figure
out who does it work the best

685
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,000
for.
Right, right.

686
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,800
I have a buddy that's, that's
trying to, that's working right

687
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,000
now to bring ibogaine.
I believe ibogaine and not

688
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,240
ayahuasca, but maybe both for
FDA approval at the moment.

689
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:25,280
Because he, he was, he was, he's
an athlete and he was playing I

690
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,880
think tennis and he tore
something or I think he's

691
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,880
playing golf and he tore his
meniscus And the doctor

692
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,640
prescribed him, you know, a
bucket of opioids and, and he

693
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,240
says, I can't see you for
another couple of months.

694
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,360
So just take these every four to
six hours.

695
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,080
Take one of these every four to
six hours.

696
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,000
He went to the doctor, got a
surgery, got a prescription for

697
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,760
another, you know, a week or two
just for recovery.

698
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,880
And he comes back, he goes, I'm
getting all these withdrawal

699
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,000
symptoms.
So the doctor, yeah, it's

700
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,440
because you're a drug addict.
He goes, I'm sorry, you know,

701
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,560
you're addicted.
He goes, but I just I was trying

702
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,240
to follow, you know, so he, he
spent a couple of years really

703
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,480
miserable trying to trying to
kick it.

704
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,720
And you know, in South Florida
or Florida in general is really

705
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:07,840
the, you know, that opiate
opioid Hwy. of the, of the, you

706
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,720
know, of the country and.
And he ended up, you know, as a

707
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:17,080
just like a Hail Mary kind of
kind of play going to Cancun to

708
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,760
try ibogaine or Iboga.
I'm not.

709
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,000
I think they're the same thing.
And he said he did it once and

710
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,760
he said he kicked it.
He said he, you know, he still,

711
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,720
he still drinks occasionally and
still smokes cigarettes, but he

712
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,400
doesn't.
But he's never, he hasn't

713
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,400
touched, he hasn't touched a
pill again and he doesn't have

714
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,360
any kind of desire for any kind
of pharmacal pharmaceutical.

715
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,400
So Advil, Tylenol and then even,
you know, painkillers down the

716
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,760
line.
But he was he, you know, he

717
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,560
feels very strongly that it's,
you know, something that's a

718
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,680
necessity for the country, you
know, for veterans, for the, you

719
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,480
know, for the for the people
that get addicted, whatever it

720
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,960
is.
But again, the response I hear

721
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,560
is that A, it may not always
work, and B, it's too good to be

722
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,000
true.
And C, you have to see your

723
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,080
genetic, your family's genetic
history to see whether you're

724
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,280
prone towards any kind of mental
breakdown like schizophrenia or

725
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,760
anything like that.
But OK, it's all, it's all, it's

726
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,120
all so cool.
What about, what about anxiety

727
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,400
and depression?
How do you treat that?

728
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,240
Well, I, I first get a
understanding what's going on.

729
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,360
Is it situational?
What are the triggers?

730
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,560
That's very important because if
you're just under yourself with

731
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,720
all these things, maybe lost in
the family or job or what not,

732
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:42,040
then that's understandable.
But I also asked, well, how much

733
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,960
are you exercising?
What's your routine like?

734
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,360
Are you drinking?
Are you, what are you eating?

735
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,240
Are you eating junk food, ultra
processed foods?

736
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,120
Do you get outside?
So, oh, this is just right.

737
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,760
I tried as much as possible.
Get people to get moving, get

738
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,240
get the right things on board,
into their bodies, put away, you

739
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,720
know, the bad things.
Get good quality sleep, you

740
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,360
know, biochemically there could
be something off.

741
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,400
So checking laboratories is
important.

742
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,960
As mentioned that B12, vitamin
D, if those things are low, then

743
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,840
I think supplementing that's
important.

744
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,200
We kind of forget about the the
gut.

745
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,640
The gut is super linked to mood
and almost every disease so.

746
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,280
Gut or stomach?
The gut, yeah, We have a

747
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,920
microbiome.
We have trillions of bacteria.

748
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,440
We have pounds of bacteria that
are making so much, so many

749
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,840
chemicals and just processes in
our body and if those things are

750
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,640
off we might not be as healthy
and happy as we should be.

751
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,560
So in the right assessment it
makes sense to do a gut analysis

752
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,360
or empirically try a probiotic
prebiotic.

753
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,440
These things can correct the the
mood.

754
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,760
Sometimes they do need a
pharmaceutical.

755
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,760
I, I try to explain to them,
this is a short course ideally,

756
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,080
and it's just to get you out of
the, the slump, right?

757
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,360
Because if somebody is really
depressed, anxious and they're

758
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,120
needing to be hospitalized or,
or whatnot, then I think you

759
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,520
have to use everything possible.
And of course, I have the

760
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,400
discussion with the patient what
they would like to do, what they

761
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,600
like to consider pharmaceutical,
what do they think of

762
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,560
supplements to please try
counseling, to do all these

763
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,080
lifestyle things that could
change the outcome.

764
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,120
How are are are patients
skeptical or or less, I guess

765
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,520
more resistant to changing their
lifestyle as opposed to taking

766
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,480
taking a pill or a patient?
You tell when a patient comes in

767
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,440
and says, hey, doc, I have
anxiety, I have depression.

768
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,240
And you say, well, you
exercising and you're getting

769
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,320
sunlight to be like or what are
you eating?

770
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,520
You know what's you know, how do
they react to something like

771
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,320
that?
A lot of times they do shrug it

772
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,240
off like, yeah, I, I, I'm not
doing that much, but why don't

773
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,160
you want to help me?
Kind of, you know, and I am, I

774
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,360
am trying to help you, right?
Which is, and I, and I liken it

775
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,440
to brushing your teeth, right?
Like exercise and proper sleep

776
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,520
are as important as brushing
your teeth.

777
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,640
If you do not brush your teeth,
your teeth will fall out and

778
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,720
you'll go to the dentist and the
dentist will have a big bill for

779
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,160
you, right?
So it's fundamental.

780
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,880
And some, it takes sometimes a
while for people to realize

781
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,720
that.
And it's not just a vanity

782
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,440
thing, but it's a mental health
and everything thing.

783
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,880
And they say they don't have
time, of course.

784
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,320
Well, I asked them.
Oftentimes they don't even have

785
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,720
children.
And I asked, well, how many

786
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,320
children do you have?
They have no children.

787
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,840
So I say you have plenty of time
to do exercise and it doesn't

788
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,640
have to be that much.
You just need to get going.

789
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,680
But the typical strategy of
just, you know, getting your car

790
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,600
in a in a big city, driving to
your work, staring in front of

791
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,080
the screen, sitting all day,
getting a lunch that is probably

792
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,160
not healthy for you and then
checking out in the afternoon

793
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:06,000
and going to bed and, you know,
watching your favorite Netflix,

794
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,960
whatever it is.
You know, that's that's kind of

795
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,800
a Wally existence, right?
If you if you know that

796
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,600
reference.
Oh, yeah.

797
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,360
Are you kidding?
I, I, I teach, I teach high

798
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,040
school English part time.
And I just showed them that

799
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,640
movie and it I, I think, you
know, in 2008 and.

800
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Yeah.
And the, and the students were

801
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,040
like, how did they know?
And I'm like, you know, well,

802
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,680
it's been, you know, I mean, if
you've been, if you've been

803
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,760
following trajectory for a
little while, then you start to

804
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,200
notice these things, you know?
Yeah.

805
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,400
It's like The Simpsons, they
they can predict.

806
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:39,120
Yeah, Oh my God, it's insane.
And, and South Park, they all

807
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,280
have a certain level of profit.
I think that when you when

808
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,520
you're when you're willing to
cross, I don't know, maybe it's,

809
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,400
I don't know.
It's almost like what comedians

810
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,800
do in the sense that they have a
very like, they have a very

811
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,800
blunt look at society and
they're not afraid to say things

812
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,040
as they are.
And so they have a much easier

813
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,440
time predicting things because
they're not afraid to say what

814
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,480
they're going to say because
they could just throw it off as

815
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,400
a joke or make it into a joke,
you know?

816
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,840
And so they have a lot more,
they have a lot more freedom of

817
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,080
expression, I guess, than most
people are willing to take.

818
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,640
And so they could probably get
some of these guesses a little

819
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,960
bit more accurately, you know.
So when did you open this?

820
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,240
When did you open Houston
Concierge Medicine?

821
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,400
How long ago?
A little over 10 years ago. 11

822
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,880
years actually.
Gotcha.

823
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,360
Before that you were working at
a hospital, you were working for

824
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,800
another office.
What were you doing?

825
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,920
So working exclusively with my
father in his clinic, which I

826
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,800
still work at by the way, before
that I was in residency in

827
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,880
Austin.
How'd you like Austin?

828
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,280
Austin's great.
I did my undergrad there in 1998

829
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,760
to 2002.
OK.

830
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840
And the city's changed a lot.
Yeah.

831
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,480
I wish I could live there, but
here we are in Houston.

832
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,040
I hear I have a, it's so funny
to say that I, I have a cousin

833
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,000
that lives in Austin.
I have cousins that live in

834
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,880
Austin.
They all went to UT and, and

835
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,320
every time I get customers now
that call me from Austin, I say,

836
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,680
oh, hey, how do you like Austin?
And depending on whether what

837
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,760
their answer is, I know whether
they're natives or not.

838
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,960
If they say, oh, it's awesome.
We love it.

839
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,000
And I'm like, oh, where'd you
move from?

840
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,840
You know, And then if they say,
and if they say, you know, it

841
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,920
used to be a nice, quiet small
town, but it got a little

842
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,120
crowded.
It got a little packed.

843
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Then, you know, then, you know,
you're speaking to one of those

844
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,320
old timers that have been there
forever.

845
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,920
Yeah.
It's so.

846
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:33,400
So.
Yeah.

847
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,320
What was Med school like?
Med school's great.

848
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,400
I enjoyed Med school.
I actually studied in Europe at

849
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,480
the Yagelonian University in
Krakow.

850
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,440
Cool.
What was that old?

851
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,920
Amazing.
I'm Polish and that was my first

852
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,480
language growing up.
Until the age of five, I didn't

853
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,320
speak any English.
I have family there in Poland

854
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,760
and I always have a affinity to
everything there.

855
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,200
So seeing Europe in your 20s is
one of the best things anybody

856
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,680
could do.
And seeing medicine in a

857
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,600
different way is also important,
so.

858
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,320
What would they do?
What they do that's different.

859
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Well, so they are more pragmatic
in Europe.

860
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:20,680
I, I think they will treat you
well, but they're not going to

861
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,120
be as wasteful, right, because
they have less resources

862
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,720
generally in most European
countries.

863
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,920
So that that's one thing here in
the United States, we're, we're

864
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,800
still for good, for better, for
worse.

865
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,640
We have a very good healthcare
system, but it's just wasting so

866
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,040
much money with all the layers
of bureaucracy and inefficiency

867
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,160
and, and over, over just
prescribing and, and this

868
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,240
protecting oneself.
So over testing, right?

869
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,920
I like testing, but the problem
is if you fall into an ER you're

870
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,480
going to probably get too much
testing just because litigation

871
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,800
can be a thing.
Right.

872
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,280
Yeah, yeah.
I noticed that when my my wife

873
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,120
gave birth last week and he
walked into the hospital at 5:00

874
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:12,640
and we got into the room at 7:15
and then the doc and no one did

875
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,200
anything.
Everything was just waivers and,

876
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,000
you know, forms and everything
like that for another 45 minutes

877
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,240
or an hour.
And then they realized that they

878
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,880
had a bed without the syrups.
They had to switch the bed on.

879
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,800
Like, you know, by the time
anything got started, it was

880
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,080
already 9 and the birth happened
by 11.

881
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,600
And so my wife was like, you
know, that was so great.

882
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,800
I'm like, it was so great.
We just spent three hours, you

883
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,960
know, cutting red tape, you
know, like you just spent three

884
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,880
hours navigating the
bureaucracy.

885
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,640
You could have been you have
been done with this three hours

886
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,320
ago.
You know, and I feel, and I

887
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,520
mean, there's been a recent
upsurge in in women at least

888
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,960
that I've seen in my community
again, that are that are that I

889
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,000
want to try, you know, more
natural birth methods and more

890
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,440
doulas or home births or
birthing centers.

891
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,520
Have you, have you, have you
noticed that that was that

892
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,000
that's been the case from what
you've what you've, what you've

893
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,960
observed?
Yeah, I think these are requests

894
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,080
by some people.
For the most part, I feel that

895
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,560
people just went to have the
quickest journey, right?

896
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,920
The best, the best outcomes.
So for example, when we started,

897
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,960
you know that having children
train, right?

898
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:28,080
We, we were not thinking about
C-section at all.

899
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,320
But our, our first child was
humongous.

900
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:39,280
So there was no option for the
usual birth because or anything

901
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,680
more fancy because it would have
been deadly, right?

902
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,800
So that was our fate, right?
And we took it, it was fine, no

903
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,280
problem.
AC section scheduled like a

904
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,880
dental cleaning and, and the
following same thing happened.

905
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,120
So that, and some people don't
have that luxury as far as, as

906
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,040
far as what kind of birth they
have.

907
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,960
But you know, some people get,
get to kind of have however

908
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,920
natural birth and that's great.
I think they should pursue that,

909
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,440
but in our case that just wasn't
in the cards.

910
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Yeah, yeah, I hear that.
How big?

911
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,560
How big was humongous?
Like approaching like 10 lbs

912
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,720
almost.
Wow, crazy.

913
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,160
Yeah, Central, your wife's big
heads.

914
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,360
So by the way, the same topic I
have a buddy of mine that came

915
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,160
over, He had his, he had his
fourth kid under 6, all boys.

916
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,680
And, and he, you know, he, he
had at my house on a Friday

917
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,240
morning.
We were off that it was a

918
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:39,440
holiday.
We're off and he and like 10:00

919
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,400
he get to call like, oh, my
wife's, my wife's in labor.

920
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,240
He's got to run, runs out of the
office and I go to my grand.

921
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,640
I live in Fort Lauderdale, my
grandparents live in Miami

922
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,400
Beach.
About an hour for me or 4 to 5

923
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,120
minutes from me.
I drive over and 20 minutes into

924
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,480
my visit, I got a text
congratulations, it's a boy.

925
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,360
And like, oh wow, everyone
alright.

926
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,480
It's like it was a 10 LB natural
birth.

927
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,040
It happened in like half an
hour.

928
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,560
There's no time for an epidural.
There's no time for anything.

929
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,280
You just like happened.
And I'm like, that's wild.

930
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,120
That's crazy.
You, you never hear, I don't

931
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,640
hear those kind of stories very
often.

932
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,240
Exactly.
But so you went so so you went

933
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,760
to Olive Med school in in
Krakow, or you did or you did.

934
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,400
Yeah, I did some rotations in
the United States.

935
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,760
I did a few months in the East
Coast in Oklahoma to kind of

936
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,480
also get some of that clinical
experience.

937
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,320
Sure.
And what when you were

938
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,600
practicing, was there any
particular, I guess, aspect of

939
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,400
medicine that drew you in or you
were just fascinated with just

940
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,360
learning?
Yeah, just the curiosity of

941
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,720
getting people better.
Granted, what I did in

942
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,000
residency, I don't really do now
because my residency program was

943
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,920
mainly training me to be a
hospitalist, which is a doctor

944
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,080
that is working in the hospital
right as basically a robot.

945
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,320
And now I don't go to the
hospital and I really haven't

946
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,520
after residency.
So a big shift.

947
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,400
It was a very focused training
for that.

948
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,280
And like a lot of doctors,
whatever they did in training,

949
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,560
they kind of actually don't do
anymore.

950
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,720
So.
But it's what you have to do.

951
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,560
So can you.
I, I don't know you.

952
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,280
You don't have to tell me that.
You don't have to.

953
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,240
You don't have to talk about
this if you don't want, but if

954
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,600
you can change some things on
Med school for Med students that

955
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,960
are currently going to, you
know, like I'm actually hosting,

956
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,240
I hope, I hope a conversation
slash debate.

957
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,120
I have two buddies in Med school
now.

958
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:39,760
One's actually in one's in
residency doing vascular surgery

959
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,480
and, and the other one is still
trying to figure out what he,

960
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,920
he's doing rotations now.
But the one that's currently

961
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,160
that's, that's doing vascular
surgery thinks that the Med

962
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,240
school program is excellent and
rigorous because you need

963
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,360
doctors to be able to perform
100% under any kind of

964
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,360
circumstance.
And the other one feels that

965
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,600
it's very difficult to learn and
retain a lot of information

966
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,200
because when you're, when you're
trying to cram constantly and

967
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,360
trying to over consume and you
know, and he feels like you

968
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,520
know, and he says even if you,
if you're smart with your, with

969
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,320
your study schedule and you're
pacing, you know, you and you,

970
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,480
you know, he goes just feels
like there's never enough time

971
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,800
for anything.
So I'm hosting, I'm hosting, I'm

972
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,560
hosting a conversation.
We'll see how it goes.

973
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,240
But if there's anything that
you, is there anything that you

974
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,640
feel like you would change or
needs to change or anything like

975
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,960
that?
Well, I think because the

976
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,560
world's changing so fast, it has
to change, right?

977
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Because what will these medical
graduates professionals be doing

978
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,280
in a decade?
And I don't even know how some

979
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,080
of them will be still around,
right?

980
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,440
Because in the natural
progression of AI, right?

981
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,040
If, if the AI radiologist has an
IQ of 300, why would we need a

982
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,800
radiologist, right?
Unless you're doing some kind of

983
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,680
a procedure.
Same thing with pathology, same

984
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,440
thing with a lot of other
things.

985
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,000
So, so what's?
The it's so it's scary.

986
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,840
Exactly.
So I don't even see how a lot of

987
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,680
doctors will be doing what
they're doing now in a decade

988
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,880
along with other professions,
right, Unless you have a niche,

989
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:30,240
unless people really want that
maybe old school kind of doctor,

990
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:35,440
right?
But you know, so I think medical

991
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,680
school probably should be
condensed more.

992
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,680
For example, the basic sciences
probably could be scrunched more

993
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,280
in today's world also.
I mean, we have all this

994
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,560
information at our fingertips
which we didn't have as quickly,

995
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,720
right?
So just like my board exams, my

996
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:57,080
board exams now are open book.
Every quarter I have to do some

997
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,760
questions which I'll answer very
well, but they're not realistic

998
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,480
because in the realistic world
when you see a patient, yes, a

999
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,520
lot of the stuff is just very
quick.

1000
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,560
I see especially me now, like
when I when the amount of

1001
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,360
patients I've seen, I can look
at somebody and I can infer

1002
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,520
what's going on rather quickly.
Not so much a nurse practitioner

1003
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,680
or a physician assistant or a
mid level.

1004
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,520
All right.
So unless they're like close to

1005
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,160
retirement age or they've just
lived in that ER and they have

1006
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,520
that clinical acuity now you
need that I think.

1007
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,200
And just the tools that our
hands that are able to give us

1008
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,720
the answer more quickly, right?
So you, I think we're, we're

1009
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:46,000
able to cut corners if we use
these things properly.

1010
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,560
But it's just like our children,
right?

1011
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,840
Like our children, some of these
children are not learning how to

1012
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,000
write well because like
literally write well cursive and

1013
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,440
all that, right?
Because it's all type, it's all,

1014
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,400
it's all dictation, but it's
fine for me.

1015
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,120
I mean, analog childhood,
digital adulthood, I'm good.

1016
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,480
But so I, I can use these tools
and such.

1017
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,680
And the same goes with driving,
right?

1018
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Like I have a Tesla and I I like
to use the full self driving.

1019
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,400
Is it amazing?
It's pretty amazing is.

1020
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,800
It scary good.
I don't have the 13 for some

1021
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,040
reason that that version.
Maybe they don't like me as much

1022
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,200
as some of the other people, but
hopefully one day.

1023
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,760
So that one I heard is
delicious, right?

1024
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,120
And and the 14 one day.
But like, I think kids should at

1025
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,480
least know how to drive, right?
But if they're already like my,

1026
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,760
my son's nine, right?
So in, in however many years

1027
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,160
he's going to get a car, right?
I mean, there's even need to

1028
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,720
learn how to drive a car if if
everything is FSD, right?

1029
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,720
Yeah, but I think you should,
right?

1030
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,440
You should and maybe I mean, I
don't know if this is your, I

1031
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,320
guess you know what you think of
this.

1032
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,920
I think that a lot of, I think a
lot of the mental health issues

1033
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,200
that a lot of people experience
today is because there's a lot

1034
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,200
of lack of what people feel like
personal license, like they

1035
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,880
feel, they people don't feel
like they're really needed for

1036
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,600
much or anything.
You know, and one of the things

1037
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,480
that you do have is like
driving, you know, you know, I

1038
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,000
mean, I call me crazy, but
there's something, there's

1039
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,280
something so much fun of it.
So freeing.

1040
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,160
I, when I used to, especially
while I was trying to figure out

1041
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,480
what I wanted to do with myself
and where I wanted to go with my

1042
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,120
life and I was really
contemplating these questions

1043
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,960
very, very seriously.
I would often hounder them over

1044
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,240
a walk or a long drive.
I just get in the car and I just

1045
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,400
feel like I just need to hit the
road for a little while just to

1046
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,920
just to help sort my thoughts in
order.

1047
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,600
I think that the I think
autonomy is incredibly

1048
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,280
important.
And I think that, you know, the

1049
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,200
more that as wonderful as
technology is, removing autonomy

1050
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,440
from humanity will probably be a
little bit more harmful than

1051
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,080
it's convenient, but all
convenience has a cost.

1052
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,480
You know, that's, that's my
that's my concern, I guess, but

1053
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,720
I haven't tried the Tesla self
drive yet.

1054
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,840
So I may change my mind as soon
as I as soon as soon as I get

1055
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,120
behind the wheel of that, you
know.

1056
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,200
I mean, if it makes society
safer and better, but you still

1057
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,600
have the option of doing
whatever you want and going on

1058
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,360
that road trip by all means.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1059
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,240
So what was it like opening your
own business?

1060
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,480
Can you, can you, you want to
walk me through that a little

1061
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:32,360
bit?
You said you work with your

1062
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,400
wife, right?
Yeah, my life and business

1063
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:41,200
partner, we opened it up and I
mean it's great because she does

1064
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,960
things that I'm not good at and
I do things that.

1065
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Like what?
For example, well, I mean actual

1066
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,400
patients, right?
So I I'm the one that's seeing

1067
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,120
the patients and giving that
medical care.

1068
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,200
She is the one on the back end
thinking of marketing, thinking

1069
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:04,000
of the actual, the books, so to
speak, personnel, things like

1070
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,320
that which.
Very important in today's world,

1071
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,520
especially where it's hard to
get the right people on board

1072
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,600
and making sure everybody's on
the same page.

1073
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,000
Right, right, right.
Is there is there an enormous

1074
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,960
amount of red tape to navigate,
or bureaucracy to navigate to

1075
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,440
open your own practice,
especially one that's as diverse

1076
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,440
as yours?
I think there is it's it's

1077
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,040
always evolving and for example,
malpractice, just like all these

1078
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,760
insurances are getting more
challenging to navigate.

1079
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,200
My malpractice rates for no
reason went up by how much?

1080
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,240
100%?
So a. 100% yeah, without,

1081
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,440
without any incidents, without.
Without it, I've never had a

1082
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,080
malpractice issue and just it's
kind of like suddenly your home

1083
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,720
home insurance or car insurance
is X now 2X, right?

1084
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:59,360
So, yeah, yeah, it's, it's just
a lot of people are just these

1085
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,800
companies are losing money and
they need to recoup just like

1086
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,640
the fires in LA kind of a thing,
right?

1087
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:09,800
So yes, there's a lot of
organizations that monitor

1088
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:15,800
doctors and for patient safety,
of course, but you have to have

1089
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:23,600
everything super organized and
just all all tease crossed and

1090
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,640
i's dotted.
Who's more?

1091
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,600
I definitely she is.
She is, yeah.

1092
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:36,200
She has a binder for everything
and just organization is her

1093
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,480
Forte.
I I'm more of the, my desk could

1094
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,960
be a little messy kind of guy,
yeah.

1095
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel
the same way.

1096
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,200
I I'm like, show me where I need
to be and I'll be there.

1097
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,200
But like, I've so bad at keeping
track of my own calendar, I'm so

1098
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,080
glad at keeping track of my own
taxes and my own, you know, and

1099
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,040
like, thank God for my wife
because she, she's great at

1100
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,360
that.
Yeah, definitely.

1101
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,360
Yin and Yang, right?
It is, it is, it is.

1102
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:04,720
It's fun.
I mean, when I was when I was

1103
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,920
actually dating, you know, one
of the big mistakes I made

1104
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,040
earlier in dating was trying to
find someone that was exactly

1105
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,320
like me.
And that was idiotic, quite

1106
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,400
frankly, you know, because you
don't need to date yourself.

1107
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,080
You are yourself, you know, and
you don't need to marry

1108
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,480
yourself.
You need to marry someone that

1109
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,440
that you know, and hopefully
your friendships and

1110
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,520
relationships are the kind of,
you know, you're a puzzle and

1111
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,400
you're missing a couple of
pieces And they, you know, they

1112
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,480
have what to offer and you have
what to offer.

1113
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,280
They're missing puzzle pieces,
you know, And as soon as that

1114
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,800
clicked for me, I started, you
know, I just, my whole, my whole

1115
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,920
mindset changed and it's great,
you know, I mean, it's, I mean,

1116
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,160
granted it's only been four
years, but you know, it's great.

1117
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,800
It's great so far.
Can you so, so you so you opened

1118
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,040
the you opened the 10 years ago.
You opened this business 10

1119
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,400
years ago or this practice
rather 10 years ago and how much

1120
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,400
more limit your menu is like it
was, it's a crazy menu, you

1121
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,840
know, Did you start?
Did you start with all this

1122
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,240
stuff like offering all these
services or how?

1123
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,280
No, definitely, definitely not.
It's been evolution.

1124
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,680
So the basics I mean were the
concierge plans and stuff like

1125
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:13,920
that.
But then, you know, as again,

1126
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,200
technology is getting more
interesting and you go search

1127
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,400
the world for good answers for
people's health, you stumble

1128
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,560
upon stuff.
So you kind of Add all all these

1129
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,080
bells and whistles that you are
never trained in, but you

1130
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,560
learned along the way.
And then?

1131
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,000
How do you learn this?
Where do you learn it from?

1132
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:41,240
Well, I go to conferences, I go
to or I go to learning mod, I do

1133
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,840
learning modules.
I just, it's called me search,

1134
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,680
right?
I, I go and take deep dives into

1135
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,520
certain topics which are
important for my patients and me

1136
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,440
as well because we're in this
together, right?

1137
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,960
So, you know, red light therapy,
initially I thought it was

1138
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,880
nonsense, right?
But I tried it.

1139
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,960
It was actually pretty amazing.
My wife as well, actually, she's

1140
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,880
the one that kind of got more
into it before I did.

1141
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,080
And you kind of go down this
rabbit hole and then you go down

1142
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:16,160
another rabbit hole and you
realize doesn't really have many

1143
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,120
negatives.
It can help you and why not?

1144
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,720
And you can help humanity.
So that that's kind of the

1145
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,920
focus, right?
Like, you know, first do no harm

1146
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,920
with with most of these things,
they're fairly benign.

1147
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,920
And I also, we also like to
democratize the process in the

1148
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,560
sense that if you do not wish to
see me, that's fine.

1149
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,400
You can order one of these
things, you can do one of these

1150
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,440
things and get the results and,
and I can interpret it for you

1151
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,200
or I can help you.
But if you're feeling it like

1152
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,480
you just want the test, then
that's fine as well.

1153
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,800
And I think that's also a
barrier to a lot of people.

1154
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,360
Yeah, I bet.
It's an enormous barrier.

1155
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,520
And I think that one of the
bigger barriers is the stigma.

1156
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,880
You know, which I do think the
tide is.

1157
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,080
I really, I, I, I, I think, and
I hope that the tide is turning

1158
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,640
and I think that the tide is
turning because of a breakdown

1159
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,840
of trust, unfortunately, that
happened in the last maybe 5-6

1160
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,640
years since COVID in the medical
establishment.

1161
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,680
And that people are willing to
say, well, if they weren't right

1162
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,360
about that, what else do they're
not right about?

1163
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,160
And then if they, you know, if
we could have done this and this

1164
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,000
and this for COVID instead of
that and that and that, then

1165
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,280
what else could we do
alternatively that, you know, is

1166
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,960
simpler and has less side
effects or consequences.

1167
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,720
And I think it kind of makes a
little bit more chaos though,

1168
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:43,080
because, you know, when no one's
like, I think authority exists.

1169
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,560
I think there's a reason why
authority exists.

1170
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,360
I think that is good.
I think that would authority

1171
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,840
over reaches or, you know,
starts to look for power for the

1172
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,600
sake of power.
It's something else, obviously.

1173
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,840
But without authority, then
what's to stop anyone from

1174
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,320
saying anything and just, you
know, and just influencing as

1175
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,000
many, many, you know, however
many people you know, you know,

1176
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,320
to do something that's totally
not in their best benefit.

1177
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,400
So what?
So do you get skepticism a lot?

1178
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,720
Or do you have to explain the
like if some, if you, if you

1179
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,840
recommend red light therapy to
someone or you recommend

1180
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,520
something to treat, you know,
health related diet to treat

1181
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,720
depression or anxiety.
And there's a lot of skepticism.

1182
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,680
Do you let them go?
Do you show them paper?

1183
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,200
Do you, do you show them that
there's that there's research

1184
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,640
about this.
What, how do you, how do you

1185
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,720
change people's minds?
Because that's got to be a whole

1186
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,880
accident of itself.
Well, I mean, first of all, a

1187
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,680
lot of people just naturally
migrate to what we have.

1188
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,600
So then they've already done
their research and they know

1189
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,680
what they want, which is nice
right?

1190
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,920
Now for the people that have no
idea what this is or how it

1191
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,120
could help them, I give the
whole landscape of options,

1192
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,320
right?
And no pressure if and learning

1193
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,760
what their philosophy is, right?
Because some people they walk in

1194
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,000
and they automatically say I
don't want a pharmaceutical in

1195
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,880
my body, in my mouth.
OK, fine.

1196
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,640
Some people don't want a
supplement, right?

1197
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,400
OK, I respect that.
Well, then what about these

1198
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,000
other things, right?
Let's explain you that and how

1199
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,120
it can help you.
And if you'd like some

1200
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,920
supporting data, by all means,
I'll give that to you.

1201
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:26,120
Try it out if you don't like it,
OK, But you might find some

1202
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,680
benefit and here's why.
And I don't think you'll have

1203
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,200
too many problems with it,
right?

1204
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,360
And if it helps you, then we're
all winners here.

1205
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,920
What are some stuff that you do
for yourself, for your own

1206
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,240
health, in your own family's
health?

1207
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,680
Well, try to get the best sleep
possible, which is really hard,

1208
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,800
yeah, you know, being a father
and running businesses and all

1209
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,960
that.
But we try our best.

1210
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,640
So that's something we try to do
for the children as well.

1211
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,160
They need to get good sleep, we
need to get good sleep.

1212
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,040
Does sleep, does it matter if
you like, let's say you got six

1213
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,800
hours or 8 hours, does it make a
difference if those 6 or 8 hours

1214
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:11,920
are 12 to 8 or 10 to you know,
6:50 or whatever it is sorry

1215
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,480
5:50 or you know or should it be
consistent?

1216
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,399
Is is there?
Is there a value to consistent

1217
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,439
schedule or it's just that you
body needs amount of sleep?

1218
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,840
Yeah, consistency is important.
So you shouldn't just jump all

1219
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,840
over the place.
Our bodies like to have that

1220
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,520
circadian clock pretty much,
some pretty much established.

1221
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,800
So whether it's, you know, 9 O
clock or 11 O clock, you go to

1222
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,560
bed.
It should be relatively the

1223
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,240
same.
And sometimes it's great to go

1224
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,359
to bed earlier and you typically
wake up around the same time

1225
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,560
every day as your body's used to
it.

1226
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,439
But the quality of sleep needs
to be good.

1227
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,000
So that means if you're not
breathing well at night, right?

1228
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,160
If you're APNIC, if you have
some sort of issue where you're

1229
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,439
not getting oxygen to your
tissues, then you need to fix

1230
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,760
that because you get 10 hours of
sleep.

1231
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,600
But it won't matter because your
sleep quality is not good and

1232
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,640
everything else in your body is
becoming down.

1233
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,640
The strength down the line just
messed up for like a better

1234
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,040
word, right?
So your metabolic issues go up,

1235
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,160
your mood, the weight will go up
and it's a vicious cycle.

1236
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,720
So getting a good sleep
assessment, keeping a sleep

1237
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,560
tracker, if you can handle that
negative score occasionally is a

1238
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,720
good idea.
You can do it informal or, or or

1239
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,880
slightly less invasive sleep
study through through a few

1240
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,000
companies on on the Internet
that basically you do a sleep

1241
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,040
study for like one to two weeks
and you can see what's exactly

1242
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,000
happening.
And then have that consultation

1243
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,200
with the sleep doctor and learn
that you might have some mild

1244
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,399
moderate sleep apnea, for
example, in the R.E.M. phase,

1245
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,760
the rapid eye movement phase,
because that's when the muscles

1246
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,319
are behaving differently.
And there are ways to fix it.

1247
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:52,080
You don't have to go to CPAP,
which is a mechanism here,

1248
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:53,800
right, which most people don't
like.

1249
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,840
You could do things to avoid
that, but you need to get good

1250
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,760
quality sleep, number one.
And if you're drinking alcohol,

1251
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,480
we'll think about that
relationship, right?

1252
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,000
You don't have to give it up,
but maybe move up that alcohol

1253
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,480
drink to earlier in the day as
opposed to 9:00 because that's

1254
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:11,480
going to cut into your sleep,
oh, into your battles.

1255
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:13,200
So.
If you're going to drink, don't

1256
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,720
drink before you go to bed.
People like to drink before bed

1257
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,080
because it helps them fall
asleep.

1258
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,680
Right.
But again, that's like a an

1259
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,720
algae, but it's like a baseball
bat to the back of the head.

1260
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,480
Just like a sleep age.
You're not getting that high

1261
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,280
quality sleep even though you're
zonked out.

1262
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,240
So as well as you shouldn't be
eating a big meal before your

1263
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,680
bedtime because that's also
going to impact your sleep.

1264
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,120
So if you move up your food and
drink earlier, you're going to

1265
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,960
give better quality sleep.
Things that are obvious are

1266
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,000
keeping the room dark.
Yeah, keeping things cool and we

1267
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,680
have ways to improve that,
right?

1268
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,680
But that's a fundamental thing.
And then exercise, of course, I

1269
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,440
mean, everybody should do a
little movement and that

1270
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,320
actually improves.
What's the minimum exercise you

1271
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,680
encourage?
Minimum, you know, let's say a

1272
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,960
week.
I'll probably say 3 to 4 hours a

1273
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,840
week.
There's some people that think

1274
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,480
you can get away with much less
with you.

1275
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,080
Say 3 to 4 hours.
You're talking cardio.

1276
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:12,240
Cardio or weights or resistance.
A combination resistance

1277
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,720
training, cardio.
I like to do classes where I

1278
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,360
kind of get both.
So it's almost like a zone 2.

1279
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:23,960
There's a re hit philosophy
where basically you're using or

1280
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,520
maybe you can get away with like
15 to 30 minutes a week and

1281
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,480
that's still impacting your VO2
Max with something like a Caro

1282
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:35,600
bike which is AAI bike and can
have you working out less which

1283
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,200
can can be good because you need
to work out.

1284
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:42,280
But maybe jogging so much if
you're 40 or 50 years old and

1285
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,760
bash your knees is not the best
strategy.

1286
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,040
Yeah, yeah.
And what are, What if you had to

1287
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,600
tell people one food to cut out
and one food to add to your

1288
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,440
diet?
What would you, what would you,

1289
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:57,720
what would you recommend?
I know obviously it's very vague

1290
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,240
because obviously it depends on
everyone's body chemistry and

1291
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:01,840
their makeup.
But you know, general

1292
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,120
population, what most people
have, you know, a couple, one

1293
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,760
thing to cut out and one thing
that the regular person you see

1294
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,720
doesn't typically ingest or
consume.

1295
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,400
Yeah.
I mean, I would cut out sugar,

1296
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:19,440
which can be in various forms.
So that can mean sodas, that can

1297
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:24,280
mean actual candies, or it could
be Wonder bread, right?

1298
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,720
So you need a little sugar, but
I wouldn't have it be in such

1299
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,360
concentrated forms, like
something you drink, Right.

1300
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,920
So orange juice.
No gum.

1301
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,520
Yeah.
I wouldn't do the orange juice.

1302
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,960
I mean, it's delicious if it's
freshly squeezed, but

1303
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,400
occasionally you can have a
treat, but not every day.

1304
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,160
The thing is, it's just the
repetitive thing we do in our

1305
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,600
lives that causes problems.
So if you're going to have a

1306
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,680
soda once every while that
that's fine if if your body can

1307
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,360
handle it.
But if you're in this habit of

1308
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:00,400
having a soda every day or or a
doughnut every day and you

1309
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,680
multiply it out, I mean, that's
not going to be good for you.

1310
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,160
Yeah, no.
And what about one thing that's

1311
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,160
important to eat that people
don't eat enough of?

1312
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,000
Yeah, I think of fermented food,
right.

1313
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,880
I think those are good for you
especially.

1314
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,880
So it could be a high quality
yogurt if you can handle dairy.

1315
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,280
And if you're like me and you
like sauerkraut, then that could

1316
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,360
be good for you.
Oh, cool.

1317
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,960
Really.
Yeah, sauerkraut is something

1318
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,360
great for the gut.
What is it off?

1319
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,480
Oh, off for your gut.
Yeah, yeah.

1320
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:32,880
So something that's fermented,
something that has that bang for

1321
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,400
the buck.
What is fermented due to due to

1322
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:37,800
our gut that makes it
beneficial?

1323
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,440
Well, it has probiotics and
prebiotics, for example.

1324
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:43,840
So that combination is going to
make our gut healthier and

1325
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,880
thereby we're going to be
healthier, right?

1326
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,280
So if you're not getting all
these wonderful Whole Foods,

1327
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,440
then you should probably think
of what probiotics or prebiotics

1328
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,360
to put in your body that replace
it.

1329
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,080
OK, so you got sauerkraut?
Potentially anything fermented.

1330
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,800
I feel like fermented food.
I have a hard time thinking of

1331
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,320
examples of fermented of
fermented.

1332
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,240
Food Kimchi Kimchi the.
Korean.

1333
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,160
OK Oh, right, right.
What's it called?

1334
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:08,920
Been very popular.
Kombucha has been very popular

1335
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,040
recently too.
Kombucha.

1336
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,800
So I do enjoy kombucha from
Costco most days, yeah.

1337
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,920
I have a friend that adds his
own hops to them, his own beer

1338
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,160
hops to the.
Kombucha.

1339
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:24,840
You can have a hard kombucha and
then artichokes are good.

1340
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:33,840
Those are more prebiotic.
You have different probiotic

1341
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,640
prebiotic drinks you can take as
well.

1342
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,920
You probably saw them in the
refrigerated section.

1343
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,080
Yeah.
But are those are those are

1344
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,120
those as beneficial?
And I'm not asking like, you

1345
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:48,080
know, you know, confrontational
question, but just, you know,

1346
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,320
are they, does it make a
difference if you're eating

1347
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,520
something natural like an
artichoke as opposed to a

1348
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:58,280
bottled, you know, prebiotic
probiotic drink, you know, or

1349
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,640
yogurt or whatever?
Does it make the sure?

1350
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,280
I mean, these are all foods
basically.

1351
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,960
So it's just how your body
incorporates them.

1352
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,360
Sometimes we have the inability
to do well with one food versus

1353
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,760
the other.
So then you kind of have to

1354
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,240
figure that out based on your
body.

1355
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,760
And, you know, we didn't mention
Pickles, but Pickles are also.

1356
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:23,280
Oh yeah, I had one the other day
at a movie theater and that was

1357
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,600
a beautiful.
Thing pickle at a movie.

1358
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,520
Yeah, yeah.
We went to watch the new

1359
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,760
Minecraft movie with the family.
Oh yeah.

1360
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,080
Where'd your kids say?
They liked it.

1361
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,640
They liked it a lot, yeah.
It did really, really, really

1362
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:35,800
well.
Yeah.

1363
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,960
Really well, Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't know if you

1364
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,800
follow any of that, but that,
that that's matched all

1365
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,760
expectations.
That was that was crazy.

1366
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,920
You see the new, the new era of
what nostalgia is based on the

1367
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,560
new kind of kid movies that are
coming out.

1368
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,200
So Mario Brothers and Minecraft
and you know, and and you know,

1369
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,560
video game themed movies as
opposed to old Disney classics

1370
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,800
that are being remade or
whatever, you know, seems to be

1371
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:05,000
getting seems to be making hits.
It's really cool, wonderful.

1372
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,920
I think that's, I think that's
pretty much what I wanted to a

1373
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:14,080
lot of what I wanted to cover.
Any last minute recommendations

1374
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,360
or thoughts you think that
people could really benefit from

1375
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:21,680
that we haven't covered?
I think we cover a lot, just I

1376
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,440
think we're living in exciting
times.

1377
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,800
Take care of yourselves.
If you need a physician in your

1378
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,680
area to guide you, I think it
makes sense to find somebody

1379
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,680
that is on the same page as you.
And in the end, you're the boss

1380
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,760
of your health and the
fundamentals are there, so

1381
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,880
there's no reason you shouldn't
be living your best life.

1382
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,640
Beautiful doctor, thank you so
much for the time.

1383
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,200
I really appreciate it.
This is so much fun.

1384
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,920
It was so beneficial and so
informative.

1385
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,080
Thank you SO.
Much thanks so much.

1386
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,440
Have a good time all.
Right, we'll talk soon and I'll

1387
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:52,080
send you the link shortly.
OK, Thank you.

1388
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:52,760
Bye now.