History Series 2: Jenny Chan / Pacific Atrocious / Japan, China USA WW2 / War Crimes

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Welcome to another episode of
Come Together.

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And we're back with another
episode.

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Jenny Chan welcome.
So happy to have you here.

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Thanks so much for coming.
Thank you so much for having me.

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My pleasure.
Listen, I, it's funny.

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I, I, I, I got, I get emails
every now and then and, you

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know, for people asking to come
on the show and, you know, I'd

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say maybe so far, 9 out of 10
times I kind of pass over them.

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But there's something about what
you were, what about your, I

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guess both the combination of
your subject and what you

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immediately started off saying,
you know, about what you wanted

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to talk about.
That really just caught my

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attention and I figured I'd do a
quick Google search and see if

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you were real.
And you were.

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And that was great.
I'm not a bot.

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I'm right here.
I know, I know.

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And you know, it's funny.
I, I, I'm doing the same thing

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because when I'm reaching out to
people to come onto my show, you

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know, I'm like, I'm a real
person.

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I probably, you know, here's
some real episodes.

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I promise you could do a Google
search.

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You know, I'm a real person, but
there's a lot of bots out there.

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So I'm happy that we I'm happy.
I double checked and I'm happy

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that you're here tonight.
It's going to be great.

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Yeah, I'm so excited to be here.
Thank you for actually accepting

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my health invitation to go on
your podcast.

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My pleasure, my pleasure.
So tell me, tell me about it a

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little bit about yourself, and
tell me what we're going to be

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talking about tonight.
Yes so I am the Co founder of

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Pacific atrocities education.
My other Co founder moved on to

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do AI and tech and basically
we're a nonprofit that research

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a lot about World War 2 in Asia.
And we have in the last 10

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years.
We just really started out as

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kind of a hobby project and then
I was trying to look for a job

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in this field, but I really
couldn't find a job in this

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field.
And so here I am 10 years later

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and I started out trying to
figure out what had happened in

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Asia.
Like when my grandma was alive,

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she I used to love watching
anime and I was watching anime

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in front of her.
I think like she even threw out

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a whole box of like manga that I
kept under my bed.

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And she was telling me that
Japanese people are evil, you

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shouldn't really learn from
them, blah blah, blah, blah,

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blah.
And I was thinking like, oh man,

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you know this, this old lady is
racist.

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And I used to like hide my
manga.

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And where would she live in?
She lived in Hong Kong during

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the during the occupation of
Hong Kong.

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And yeah.
And so then I was thinking, wow,

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you know, this is crazy.
And and then she would tell me

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stories here and there, like how
she had her family had to

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exchange all of her money into
military yen.

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And she was really like
depressed, really like she I

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barely, I never heard her laugh,
actually, now that we talk about

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it.
And I think a lot of it had to

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stem from the war.
And so then when she passed

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away, I really found this like
box of military yen and like

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rice rationing coupon.
And I thought like, wow, maybe

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what she was saying has some
merits to there are some merits

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to what she was saying.
And so then I started

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researching more about what had
happened in World War Two.

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I was reading on Wikipedia that
like 30 million people perished.

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And I was reading some books and
then and I there was really only

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one famous book about the
subject is The Rape of Nanking.

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And then I was reading The
Rising Sun by John Tolan and

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then I stumbled upon this book.
It was really hard to find too.

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It's called the death Factory,
which is about unit 731.

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I think we can talk more about
it later in this podcast.

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And and then I was thinking that
rebuff Nanking is good.

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It's like about 30,000 people
getting is not good in terms of

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like the storyline, but like it
got me to an understanding of

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what World War 2 was.
But if 3300 thousand people in

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my mind, I was thinking, well,
if this chapter is about 300,000

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people, what happened to like
the other?

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You know, it's only 29.7 million
people.

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Sorry it was that you hear my my
dog.

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Yeah, put him outside.
Let me put him outside.

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I'll be.
Right back pause one second.

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I have two kids, so it's no big
deal.

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I happen to be all the time.
And so I was thinking if Reap of

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Nanking is about 1 episode of
World War 2 in Asia and that was

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300,000 people, then what
happened to the 29.7 million

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other people?
And so I was thinking I was

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trying to go really dig more
into what was happening.

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And there's not a whole lot of
like literature out there.

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In fact, one of the most
important like fraction of World

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War 2 in Asia was called Quantum
Army.

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And our organization was the
first organization, organization

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that published a book about the
quantum army that started like

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World War 2 in Asia and Nigeria.
Yeah, it was.

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That's a great question.
So no one heard about it.

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So they staged a false flag
event on September 18th, 1931,

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ten years before Pearl Harbor,
and they invaded Manchuria.

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Who did?
Yeah, I'm sorry, Japanese.

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OK, the Japanese Army.
Great.

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I was for context, for mice, and
I'm sure you know this very

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well.
I don't know anything about

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this.
And most Americans know very

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little even about where Asia is
on a map, you know?

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

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For context, can we, before we
even get into that real quickly,

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just to lay it out, who was the
conflict between at this point

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and what's the, what's the
context, you know,

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geographically where is everyone
at?

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And you know, what's
relationship at this point?

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Can we start with that?
In that way, we could kind of

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set the stage and set up a map
for people that don't know,

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including myself.
Yeah.

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No, that's perfect.
That's a great question.

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Great.
So geographically, Manchuria is

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in China and this is a conflict
between Japan and China.

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OK, and where is Japan relative
to China on a map?

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And what do they what?
What do they do?

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They fight over religious dogma,
minerals, philosophy or forms of

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government.
Like what?

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What are they?
What's What's the conflict?

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More like a racial superiority
because the Japanese at this

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point think that they're above
their Asian neighbors.

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I see.
And where and where are they at

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this point in terms of are they
flourishing?

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Are they?
What's their relationship with

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the rest of the world at this
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Yeah, why don't I start from 19
O 5 then?

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Yeah, please.
So the United States had

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appeared in the Japanese shore
in the 1800 actually and before

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and then Japan was somewhat of
an isolationist country and.

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And once the United States
showed up with gumbo diplomacy

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forcing them to open trade, then
they were thinking, wow, we're

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too weak.
We need to learn from the West

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and we need to modernize.
And so then they sent their best

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to the West to learn how to
prepare militarily.

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And at the same time, China was
really declining due to the

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addiction of opium and also
their military was not was not

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really up to par in comparison
to like what Japan was doing

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and.
Was a cultural problem for

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China.
Yes, it was a cultural problem

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and the government was really
not too centrally controlling of

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their was, didn't really have
control over their people and

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it's a cultural issue.
It was a cultural issue.

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It was a lack of modernization
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They were still very behind in
terms of like military, right?

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And so then what had happened is
that since Japan was already

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getting up ahead and they had
sent men to Harvard and Yale to

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learn like what the West look
like and how they can become

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more like the West, then they
sent a diplomat named Baron

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Conical to Teddy Roosevelt to
try to negotiate to.

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So then and like basically
formed this relationship.

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And at one point they formed
this really well relationship

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that Teddy Roosevelt even
brought Baron Conical to Wall

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Street to fundraise for to build
up their military.

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Wow, crazy.
Historical Context.

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Yeah.
OK.

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So right now, so the
relationship between America and

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Japan is a positive relationship
at this point.

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Very good and.
America and China, what's their

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relationship?
Not really existent at this

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point or.
Actually, in Chinese, people

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were barred from coming into the
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they were working for cheaper
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I mean, they were cheaper
laborers.

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And so then white people, white
miners and white workers kind of

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saw them as a competitor.
And so there was the Chinese

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Exclusionary Act of 1882.
And history repeats itself.

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You can see a.
Lot about to say that's actually

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relevant.
I don't know, it sounds pretty

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crazy.
And so then in 1882, Chinese

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people were excluded from the
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And there were also a lot of
massacres happening with Chinese

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people, with Americans.
And the biggest, the biggest

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lynching event in this country,
I think, well at least in

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California, was actually on
Chinese Americans in the LA

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Chinese massacre.
And there was actually no

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Chinese.
What happened there?

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They lynched a bunch of Chinese
workers because they were

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working for cheaper and a lot of
like, a lot of things were just

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blamed onto them.
Did they, was it, was it, was

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there ever Chinese responses or,
you know, did they ever, you

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know, fight back for themselves?
There was a trade war, yeah, in

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the night, like early 1900s.
And so this is like really?

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So the trade war.
This is this is, this is modern

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events.
I mean just, you know.

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Exactly And so the trade war of
China, US you can argue started

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in like the early 1900, right
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And so and so that's the context
with China and.

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Conscious so we like Japan we're
we're not on a great terms with

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China because they're sending
cheap because we because

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Americans perceive that this or
they they're complaining that

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that the Chinese people are
willing to work for cheaper than

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Americans and and ultimately
leading to violent and murderous

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responses right exactly never
good.

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And then it's so fascinating
because Teddy Roosevelt also won

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a Nobel Peace Prize by giving
Korea to Japan in 19 O 5.

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And so Korea was then under
Japan's torture for starting in

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19 O 5.
And Japan had a similar

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relationship to Korea as they
do, as they did with other

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countries, as in they felt
superior and they felt they kind

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of bully them.
Yes.

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And yeah.
And so then, and if you look on

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the map, Korea's very close to
Manchuria.

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You can pull it up.
You can look it up right now.

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Yeah, I actually, I wanted to
get the map open for this

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conversation because I wanted
to, I I didn't want to go into

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those details.
Cool.

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Yeah.
So OK, I'm here.

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So Manchuria today is called
Northeast China.

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OK.
Northeast China.

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Gotcha.
And so here, right next to

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Mongolia, you see that little
like, oh shit, here.

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Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, and Korea, so you can see

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how close Korea it was to it
still is to Japan.

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And then just next to that,
that's Manchuria.

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And so Japan thought, well, why
don't I in by the 19, By 1931,

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they started a false flag event
and took over Manchuria as well.

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This is like, I mean decades of
history that I just like, really

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blended in.
Yeah, yeah, OK.

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But we're going to maybe we'll
do another one with that, but

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we'll focus on World War 2 for
the rest, for the rest of this,

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because I do want to go.
I'm sure.

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I'm sure I'd love to go back to
that too.

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But yes.
And it's interesting because at

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this point in 1931, US was also
kind of exploiting China in the

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open door policy.
So then they have different kind

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of trade.
US won the trade war at that

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point.
So China had an open, there was

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an open door policy, which is to
kind of exploit the trade rules.

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And because of Japan invading
China, now US doesn't.

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Japan closed the door.
For the US, no way so that so

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that causes US and Japan
relationships to to fall apart.

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Right, but US was still selling
steel and oil to Japan during

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the Rape of Nanking.
It just, it just so happened

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that Pearl Harbor stopped that
right?

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So 10 years later.
Ten years later, right.

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So let's let's talk a little bit
about those 10 years and let's

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talk about so so World War 2.
So at this point, again, you

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know, when we were talking the
phone, we were saying how during

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when people think about World
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we think about Hitler, we think
about Eastern Europe and, you

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know, Nazi Germany.
And we don't really talk about,

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you know, what Asia's
involvement was at all.

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And you say that part of the
reason was that a lot of the

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documentation was classified.
Is that what it was?

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Is that what you mentioned?
Yes, a lot of it was classified

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until like very recently.
And also when Japan surrendered,

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they burned most of the
documents.

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So whatever we find is just by
chance that we can, we were able

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to find it.
So we're not going to get the

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full picture really, because we
have too many missing pieces.

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No, yeah, yeah, really.
But we get like a part of the

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picture, which is still pretty
good.

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I think it's still pretty like
illuminating.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely so.
And I actually want to ask as

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far as, and I wanted, and you
brought this up at the

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beginning.
Now, I guess now that we have a

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little more context, we could go
back to what you were talking

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about.
And you mentioned that your

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grandmother was complaining and
was particularly upset about the

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fact that the that their that
their her family was forced to

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trade their money in for
military yen instead of whatever

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currency they had.
Right?

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Yes, I want to just maybe you
can elaborate on what kind of

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impact that has on the family
because I, I, you know, my

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grandfather had a similar story.
My grandfather was in Poland at

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the time on the border between,
I believe it is Ukraine and

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Russia, and that's and the USSR
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And his family and his family
knew that Germany was going to

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overtake, you know, Poland.
And so the question was, do they

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go to Ukraine and go or go to
the go, go, you know, go to the

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USSR or they or they go to the,
you know, to, to the, to

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Germany, what would become
Germany, you know, once Poland

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fell.
And, and that happens to be the

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town was on the border.
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the town had shifted, I guess,
sovereignty a few times.

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And they went from being a very
wealthy family to having no

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money at all just based on being
forced to keep on swapping their

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currency over to other to other
countries currencies, you know,

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and they and they lost an
enormous amount of money like

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that.
So.

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So, I mean, I don't know if you
can elaborate as, as you know

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what that means for your family,
but I know that, you know, yeah.

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Definitely and.
That's great.

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Very, very interesting.
And military yen basically had

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like no value by the end of the
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And so our families have very
similar stories than that.

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After the war, my grandma's
family was left with no money.

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Wow, wow, because the money,
because the money at that point

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for Chinese military yen was
worth like.

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No, the Japanese military.
Yeah, I'm sorry.

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So at first in the beginning of
the war, I was reading about

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this.
At beginning of the war, Hong

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Kong dollars to the Japanese
military yen was 1 to 1.

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Then it became like 1 to 10 and
then it become like 1 to 100

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and.
Then was that dramatic?

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Right.
Yeah.

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And then so by the end of the
war, it was worth nothing

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because Japan had fallen.
And so then for these people,

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you know, my it was worth less
than toilet paper.

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Wow.
Wow.

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Crazy.
I can't imagine.

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I mean, it's like, equivalent to
everything.

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My bank account just being
worthless now, you know,

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everyone's savings just gone,
you know, and like, because.

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OK, well, you know what?
We owe so much money to everyone

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else that you know what?
The euro is the new currency now

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and then the American dollar is
worth a lot less.

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And think about what would
happen to everyone here.

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That'd be crazy.
Yeah.

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But right now, inflation is
scary in our country, don't you

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think?
I think.

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Inflation may be one of the
scariest things to me, and I've

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been thinking about this quite a
bit, but I my.

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My fear is that the emphasis is
on the wrong syllable when it

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comes to cutting, you know,
cutting spending.

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And, you know, my understanding
at this moment, at this time is

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that there's America, the
homeland, which is all the

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people that live here and work
and create value and, you know,

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participate and contribute to
the, you know, economy and

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social culture and political
climate and everything.

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And then there's America, the
empire, which is interested in

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what they call spreading
democracy or, you know, getting

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people under the American thumb,
you know, a rule.

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And the empire gets its source
of energy, you know, it's, it's

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money literally from the
taxpayers, you know, from the

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people that are working here.
And then but they're, they've

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been overspending on the on
empire building to the extent

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that the people that are
providing the funds for the

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empire to continue growing are
running out of money and running

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out of resources.
And we're not creating, you

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know, we're, we're printing more
money than actual value created

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and actual services provided.
And so, you know, my concern, my

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concern for inflation is not
just like, oh, everyone has to

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stop spending a couple of bucks
here and there and start

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budgeting.
It's like we have to stop

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expanding, you know, all over
the world for a little while and

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focus on, you know, we
regathering our efforts.

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Yeah, and focus on us for a
little while.

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And, you know, and less wars and
it looks like we're getting into

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more now.
And it's almost like we left the

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Middle East.
Like we're like, you know what,

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there's no more damage to do
here.

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Let's go to South America now.
You know, like, OK, I mean if

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you want to, but it doesn't
look, I don't think it's going

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to work for anyone, so.
I really don't think so either.

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But that's that's my concern.
And I think they're very focused

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on having other people be like
them.

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Right.
And then let's spread democracy.

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And yeah.
But anyway, I digress.

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Let's go back.
To yes, let's do it.

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So anyway, so you're finding
out, so you're finding, you're

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realizing that there's very
little history and you're doing

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homework now to try to dig up
more work.

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And you ended up being, do you
end up writing the book or

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participating in the book about
the, about the quantum army?

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Quantum army.
I help my my research fellow in

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researching and like, awesome.
Yeah.

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But it was hard work because a
lot of these like National

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Archives maps and paper and
whatnot, they're actually very

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fragile.
They're 80 years old.

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And in fact, this is 1 trivial
fact that the Civil War papers

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are actually in better shape
than World War 2 papers.

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Because in Civil War, paper was
still printed out of like cotton

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paper.
And by the time of World War

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Two, there was no resources.
So it's all onion pure paper.

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Wow, that's crazy.
And you said that none of that.

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And you said that very, very few
of the documentation, if any,

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had been digitized, right?
Yeah, it's like maybe 1% in the

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National Archives have done
because we're too busy fighting

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wars.
And so then I was just like,

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well, let's just do it because
we're already here.

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So we were digitizing and I
think now we have like 1,000,000

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pages of like World War 2
documents related to like Unit

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731 to the Quantum Army, to like
Manchuria, to like the policy at

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the time and also like war
crimes document and like the

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Philippines, the baton death
March.

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And so we have all kinds of
things, yeah.

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OK, well, let's tackle, let's
tackle these topics.

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You want to I right now I caught
4 things.

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You got Unit 731, the quantum
army.

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Man, I want to talk about, I
mean, if you want to elaborate a

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little bit more in the history,
it seems that you mentioned

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Manchuria a bunch of times and
maybe the context a little bit

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more about what that is about
the crimes or war crimes, which

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I would love to hear more about,
you know?

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Yeah.
So Manchuria is actually very

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fascinating.
Like the more I look at it, the

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more fascinating it was like
Japan conquer it for this kind

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of economic utopia because it's
a very like resource rich land.

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And so they had forced laborers
who they like got, they grabbed

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4 million like forced laborers
from Korea and from China to

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work on this land and from going
from like mining to

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manufacturing.
And also Unit 731, the infamous

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Unit 731 is located there,
actually not too infamous

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because not a lot of people
have.

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Who knows about it, right?
Exactly.

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You get infamous.
So how do you?

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You have to be infamous if
people heard about it.

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That's right, That's right.
So tell me.

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So tell me about so it's so and,
and who was fighting over it at

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this point?
You said that Japan conquered

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it.
Who else was interested in it?

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I'm trying to find it on a map
over here.

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Maybe type in northeast
northeast China?

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It's how far is it here Is
Beijing, North Korea, Shenyang.

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Shenyang is a part of Manchuria.
OK, gotcha.

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OK, gotcha.
Gotcha.

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So it's right by the oh, it's on
the border of the Koreas.

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Yes.
OK.

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I see exactly what we're talking
about now.

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And it looks like, So it it, it
looks and is Dalian part of it?

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It's Dandong.
Thailand is part of it.

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Hey, you see?
Hey, Long Jian.

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So it's valuable because it's on
the water and it's bordering.

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Yeah, OK, gotcha.
So it's good for trade, it's

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good for resources.
It's probably really important

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militarily as far as strategy
goes, yes.

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Because Russia is also there and
Russia had built this railroad

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that was funded by the French.
And since Japan captured, they

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didn't no longer had to pay back
the French.

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And then, wow, French financial
company had to file bankruptcy

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at the time.
Yeah, I can imagine.

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You imagine you got a great
business deal, and all of a

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sudden you found out that the
company that was that was doing

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your work for you got conquered
by another country.

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Yeah, there.
Was a lot going on

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internationally at this time
yeah.

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And so, yeah, so you can see
that this is what do the people.

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Consider themselves.
What are the people that are

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there?
Do they do they consider

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themselves Chinese?
Do they consider themselves?

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Japanese.
That's actually a very

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interesting question.
So, you know, the last dynasty

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of China was not actually the
Han Chinese, they were actually

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the Manchurian Chinese.
And before the last dynasty of

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China, Manchuria was not
considered a part of China.

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But because they had invaded
China, they incorporated them

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that region into China itself.
And that's why it was then

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considered Manchuria, China.
Cool.

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Gotcha.
Awesome.

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And the people, now where do the
people?

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Yeah, they're Manchuria.
They consider themselves

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Chinese.
It's considered the northeast

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part of China.
Yeah, I see.

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OK, awesome.
That's great context and I

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really that's really good to
know.

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What's the is this a da, the
Hingun Ling is, are those

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mountains?
Is that a mountain range just

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north of it, north of Chen
Chung?

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Chen Chung?
Oh, that's Harbin.

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North of Chen Chung is Harbin.
And and then there's Halem.

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Yeah, Halo between.
Yeah, between Harbin and Halo.

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Between Harbin.
Yeah, if you're looking at my

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phone, you could see.
That's a lake, yeah.

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It's a lake.
It looks dry to yeah.

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OK, anyway, so let's keep going.
So now, so this place is obvious

454
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,040
and by the way, and it's pretty.
Has it been is maturely

455
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,000
considered like calm or is it
considered relatively unstable

456
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,400
since since World War 2?
The time was considered rural,

457
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,760
and that's why they decided that
it's a good idea to start a

458
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,600
human experimentation lab there,
because no one's going to know.

459
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,600
OK, so tell us about 7:31, which
I guess is a human

460
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,160
experimentation lab.
Tell me about it.

461
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,040
Yeah.
So at the time of Japan

462
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:35,000
occupying Manchuria, Ishishiro
has started a lab in Tokyo.

463
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,280
But then it was way too high
profile, and he was afraid of,

464
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,200
like, Karen's telling on him and
whatnot.

465
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,400
And so then he decided to move
his lab to Manchuria.

466
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,160
So he took a road trip with his
friends to consider like, oh,

467
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,520
where am I going to put this
lab?

468
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,720
And he picked the soy sauce
factory.

469
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,200
But even like at a remote area
with the soy sauce factory, like

470
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,000
these prisoners were still able
to escape from his human

471
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,440
experimentation.
So then he was thinking, maybe

472
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,280
that's not remote enough.
So then he took over a village

473
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,600
in Ping Fong to start his human
experimentation lab.

474
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,200
And what kind of experiments
were they doing?

475
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,120
Was this lane I in World War 2
was notorious for human

476
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,520
experimentation apparently and.
Yes, you know.

477
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,000
It's crazy that even more of
it's going on.

478
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,320
What were they trying to do
there?

479
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,480
They were trying to treat
frostbites.

480
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:35,680
They were trying to make
biological war weapons because

481
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520
he had read the Geneva
Convention and he said that,

482
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,600
well, if the Geneva, if it's so
powerful, if germs so powerful

483
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,280
that they needed to write rules
about it, we need to harness

484
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,840
this kind of germs.
And so then he was making

485
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,560
weapons.
At one point he was making

486
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,320
fleas.
So then the fleas can, what you

487
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,800
call it, transfer the plague and
but then the order in order to

488
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,320
make more fleas he needed more
rats.

489
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,920
So then he was paying villagers
in these like other villages to

490
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,320
breed rats.
So then he can breed more fleas

491
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,720
to spray to spread the plague
with his ceramic bomb that is.

492
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,800
It sounds so disgusting that I'm
just like, OK, what did I just

493
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,240
say?
You know what?

494
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,960
So you know what?
It's funny that you say that.

495
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,480
I, I, I was, I did, I was
thinking about this a lot

496
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:36,120
recently.
Sometimes, you know, you we hear

497
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,560
things that sound so far fetched
that we just dismiss it out of

498
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640
hand because we don't even want
to like think about the fact

499
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,760
that could be reality.
You know, and like you hear

500
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,120
things like no, that just can't
be true.

501
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,440
Like come on, bugs that you give
a disease to it that goes around

502
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,960
and ice like a bomb, you know,
like fleas.

503
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,600
I go around and say acts like a
weapon like to get everyone sick

504
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,400
and like how you even in control
that you going to do but I mean.

505
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,240
How are you going to control
that?

506
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,240
And so, like, as part of what I
was thinking about when I was

507
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,280
reading these documents, I'm
like, OK, so Japan wanted to

508
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,160
occupy China, but what the hell
are they going to do with, like,

509
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,680
no soil, with glanders and
anthrax?

510
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,440
What were they thinking?
It's not like you can just pour

511
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,640
bleach and then like, stop the
plague, right?

512
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,440
Yeah, yeah.
So it's almost like

513
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,120
self-inflicted wound at that
point.

514
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,240
Right, exactly.
Wow.

515
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,280
But then they were doing human
experimentation to see like also

516
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,400
how human bodies would react to
the plague, for example, and,

517
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,080
and talk about destroying like
data and documents.

518
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:43,200
It's very interesting because if
you think about it, you, we can

519
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,080
never know about how many humans
were captured in this human

520
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,240
experimentation lab because they
started from because in order to

521
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,960
figure out like to number the
victims or to to dehumanize the

522
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,920
victims, they gave them like
numbers.

523
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,640
So it goes from like zero to
1000 and then they start to

524
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,880
count against and then from zero
to another thousand.

525
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,280
So we never know.
And then they were calling these

526
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,400
victims Logs or Maruta just to
like dehumanize them.

527
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,240
And So what?
Does Amaruta mean?

528
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,720
Amaruta means log in Japanese.
Log.

529
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Yeah, yes.
And I was reading like the

530
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,240
special transfer order from the
quantum army and then they were

531
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,720
saying, oh, how many, however
many Maruta captured.

532
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,040
Then you already figured out
like, OK, so they were capturing

533
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,000
humans.
They were not using it as like

534
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,080
logs or like lumber mill
whatnot.

535
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,520
So it's just like, so that's why
we can never know how many

536
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,080
humans were used for human
experimentation.

537
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,080
But then like, the consequences
of Unit 731 is also severe

538
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,920
because they were using it on
like soil on China, for example.

539
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,000
Let's go back to Pearl Harbor,
right?

540
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Like Americans know about Pearl
Harbor, but right after Pearl

541
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,720
Harbor, FDR wanted to attack,
attacked Japan back for morale.

542
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,760
And So what they did was that
they sent these pilots out to to

543
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Tokyo, but it was like a one way
ticket and but they can maybe

544
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,280
possibly make it back to China.
And so then they landed in

545
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,960
Chinese airfields in like
Zhejiang province.

546
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:37,760
And they then sprinkled and then
Chinese people rescued these

547
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:44,160
pilots who landed in China.
And in order for to revenge on

548
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:50,120
these Chinese villages, then the
Japanese Unit 731 disseminated

549
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,360
anthrax and glanders in the
soil.

550
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,680
And so for decades later, these
farmers who were working on this

551
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,760
land would get like, would get
glanders and anthrax on their

552
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,400
legs and their their legs, their
skin would like rot.

553
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,880
And it was.
Happening.

554
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,920
No, the crops were, yes, the
crops were destroyed.

555
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,840
And so, yeah, so this is the
kind of like things that were

556
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,920
happening in World War 2 in
China.

557
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,840
And so I was thinking when I was
reading through I'm like, wow,

558
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,640
why have I never learned about
this?

559
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,840
This sounds, and it's
interesting because the lawsuit

560
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,120
happened like in maybe in 2002
as well up into 2002 where they

561
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,680
were really trying, a lot of the
Chinese victims went to the

562
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Japanese court to try to get
reparation or whatnot because it

563
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,760
was really affecting their
livelihood.

564
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,600
And the court said, well, we, we
acknowledge that it happened,

565
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:58,240
but there's, we cannot pay
because it was like a time of

566
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,640
war.
And so, yeah, so I'm, I didn't

567
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,240
make it up, but it really didn't
happen because the Japanese

568
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,160
court didn't admit it.
Yeah.

569
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,320
And you know what, it's, it's
interesting because you think

570
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:15,000
about it's a different type of
atrocity.

571
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,080
You know, like you read, you
read stories about what was

572
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960
going on in, I guess Eastern
Europe or throughout Europe, and

573
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,800
you hear more stories of
decapitations and mass body

574
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,160
pileups and, you know, mass
shootings and stuff like that.

575
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,920
And this almost feels like, you
know, we're not going to do that

576
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,640
straight up.
We're going to like infect you,

577
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360
We're going to get you like
we're we're just going to it it

578
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,360
it it almost feels sneakier in a
certain way.

579
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,640
You know that like it's a lot.
It's almost like passive.

580
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,000
So it's passive and it's it's
probably more intelligent.

581
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,840
It's got to be smarter warfare,
right, Because you're not giving

582
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680
there's no face to the to the
crime.

583
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,840
There's no, there's no name,
there's no face.

584
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,440
There's very little association.
There's very little

585
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,520
documentation and then today you
can say everything you want and

586
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,400
you can know that it happened,
but there's no one to be held

587
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,520
accountable at any point.
You know you don't have any kind

588
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,920
of records.
Right.

589
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,280
Exactly.
And and after the war, the

590
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Soviets went into China and the
first thing Ishiro did was to

591
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,360
burn all the records.
And he, he apparently he did

592
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,800
save a copy for like his luggage
and he went to Japan and he

593
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,560
fixed his own death, but the CIA
found him.

594
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,679
Wow, they were looking for him.
They were looking for him, but

595
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,960
they ended up buying his
research just because.

596
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,600
Yeah, I.
Wonder why they?

597
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,840
Needed it.
I bet for science, for science,

598
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,199
right, that we need it more.
And so if you like hear about

599
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,440
like anthrax that remember all
those anthrax attacks, a lot of

600
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,760
people don't remember this, but
like an anthrax attacks in like

601
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,120
2001 that all came from Japanese
technology dating back to World

602
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,520
War 2.
Wow, so it was out of the

603
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,000
playbook.
Yeah.

604
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Wow, crazy.
So OK, what?

605
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,400
I know this is like an evening
time.

606
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,960
You're like, OK, I'm trying to
go to bed.

607
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000
No, no.
I know I, I, I, I think this is

608
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,960
this is important.
This is, this is important.

609
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,840
This is great to think about.
So, so this so right now and

610
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,160
this is post, this is post Pearl
Harbor.

611
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,000
This pre Pearl Harbor has
America, has American and

612
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Japanese relationships soured
yet or not yet?

613
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,960
During the sprinkling of the
biological weapon, yeah, that's

614
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,280
already soured.
That's after Pearl Harbor.

615
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,120
And they sent through little
Raiders to Japan.

616
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,800
And then they and then the
Japanese were upset about the

617
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Chinese people rescuing the US
pilot.

618
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,200
And so then that's why they had
a revenge attack on Zhejiang

619
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,480
and.
When did and when did it?

620
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,600
What year did our Did American
and Japanese relationships

621
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,680
deteriorate to the point of
hostility?

622
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,720
1941 officially, but if you
think about it, FDR was

623
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:13,400
supplying China like some
weapons to fight the war in

624
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,400
Japan as well.
I mean against Japan as well

625
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,400
China.
And when was that?

626
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,840
When was China and Japan fight?
When were China and Japan

627
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,120
fighting?
Well Japan occupied China in

628
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,800
like 1931, but officially they
started fighting in 1937 when

629
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Japan wanted more of the Chinese
land.

630
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480
So we so we flip-flopped
American flopped our

631
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,920
relationship.
Yes.

632
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,400
Another another thing that
rhymes with current events I

633
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,240
guess, right?
Yeah, exactly.

634
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:48,080
And it's so interesting because
talk about spreading democracy.

635
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,520
The family that got America to
really flip flop on their Asia

636
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,440
policy was the Song family.
And the Song family, the Grandpa

637
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,160
Charlie song, made money selling
Bibles in America.

638
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,320
And, you know, Pearl bucks
China, like, good Earth movie.

639
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Yeah.
So then they had this like idea

640
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,240
that there were a ton of Chinese
people in China waiting to

641
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:23,000
become Christian.
And so Charlie it sounds so

642
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,960
loud, far fetched.
And so then Charlie song make

643
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,960
money selling Bibles and song
the and then there were three

644
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:38,480
sisters song mailing song Eiling
and song chain Ling and song

645
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,920
mailing and up getting like USDA
cotton contract and also like

646
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,560
they're trying land lease supply
money.

647
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:54,200
And the Som family really
lobbied FDR into kind of helping

648
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,880
out China.
By helping to spread Christian

649
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,880
values, Yes.
And how did the Chinese take

650
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,840
that?
Chinese at the time actually.

651
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,240
This is like a very unpopular
opinion and Chinese people call

652
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:13,000
the Som family like making money
out of disaster because they're

653
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,160
trying.
And Chiang Kai Shek, who was

654
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,360
married to one of the Song
sister, was the ultimately the

655
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,040
World War 2 leader of China, but
he was just a fancier like

656
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,520
warlord than other warlords.
And at this time, China was not

657
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,760
really what you think about
China today.

658
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,480
It was very like fractured as a
country.

659
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480
And so there's all kinds of
different warlords fighting for

660
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,680
all kinds of different part of
China because China is such a

661
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,440
big country.
And so, yeah.

662
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,640
And so a lot of the.
We're talking about the the

663
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
spread of Christianity, the
attempting attempted spread of

664
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Christianity.
Yes, attempted to spread

665
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,800
Christianity.
And is there a religion there?

666
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Has there been religion
historically in China that that

667
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,120
people had adhere to or?
Confusion Buddhism, right?

668
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,640
And yeah.
Gotcha.

669
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,000
And remind me if you know.
I don't know if you know because

670
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,400
I don't know.
I asked a friend of mine who's

671
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,440
from who's from Mumbai the
difference between Hinduism and

672
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,520
Buddhism, which one was Buddha.
Buddhism was was later in

673
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Hinduism.
Vice versa, I don't remember,

674
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,440
but I think that Buddhism
actually did come from India

675
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,160
because Monkey King, my favorite
classic.

676
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,040
Yeah.
Monkey King was going to the

677
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,840
West to get the wisdom from
Buddha right, and I think that

678
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,440
he must have been going to
India.

679
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,800
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
And so China World War 2 is not

680
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,480
what China is today.
It's not really a threat as far

681
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,480
as we know.
In fact, it was an ally to

682
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,720
America as of as of 1941, you
said?

683
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:17,280
Or 39. 1937. 37 We became we
became allies, and then we were

684
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,080
allies until post until post
World War 2 where Japan was no

685
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,840
longer really considered a
threat to anyone.

686
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,760
And at what point did China
start rebuilding and when did

687
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:33,240
they kick that opioid problem?
They kicked the drug problem.

688
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:39,800
Yeah, I think that the drug
problem was solved post 1949,

689
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,960
post Mao, But yeah, but and
also, when you're at a war, when

690
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,120
you're at a Total War and you're
starving, I don't think you're

691
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,680
you're going to be thinking
about opium too much.

692
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,240
You may not, you may not want to
think about it, but if you're,

693
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,320
if, if, if you have a dependency
on it, you know, I, I think that

694
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,840
there's a lot of people that,
you know, have very limited

695
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,840
funds and, and, and are, you
know, addicted or dependent

696
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,200
that, that unfortunately might,
you know, lose set of their

697
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,800
priorities or the right way to
spend their money.

698
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,040
That's, you know, at different
points.

699
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,880
So I, I mean, I could imagine
that even in wartime, it's, you

700
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,280
know, if you're really an
addict, you really have a

701
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,400
dependent, a chemical dependency
on it, then you're probably not

702
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,200
making the right decisions
anyway, you know?

703
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,680
Yeah, actually in, in fact, I
think at one point the opium

704
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,880
problem was so bad, in fact I
visited like a comfort woman.

705
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,000
I don't know if you know what
comfort women.

706
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,680
No.
Comfort women were like sex

707
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,000
slaves in World War 2.
So and a lot of people think

708
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,520
about comfort women as like
Korean comfort women, but they

709
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,560
were doing it like everywhere
that Japan occupied.

710
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,000
And so I was visiting one of the
comfort women in Shanxi in

711
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,320
China.
And her father was addicted to

712
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:01,400
opium during the war.
And, and it was actually a

713
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,880
really sad story.
Let me digress to that story,

714
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,640
please her.
So she was kept in like a camp

715
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,600
where she was forced to serve
and purely Japanese soldiers.

716
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,320
And so she was raped like 1015
times a day.

717
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:28,320
And by the time war ended, she
was pregnant and but with a very

718
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,280
like traditional Chinese
village, she didn't want to let

719
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
anyone know.
So her she kind of kept away

720
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,440
from the public eye for a while,
like she didn't go to the street

721
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,000
and whatnot.
And then after a while she gave

722
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:47,280
birth and then she was then her
mom and her buried the child and

723
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,520
buried the baby in The Cave
after the war.

724
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,920
And she hasn't thought about it
since until like, I was asking

725
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,760
her, oh, what happened to you?
And she was so old And I was

726
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,560
interviewing her that she just
came out with that story.

727
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,040
And yeah, it's.
Crazy, crazy, crazy.

728
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,080
So that was so and these
comfort, what do you call

729
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,760
comfort?
Comfort Women.

730
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,880
Comfort women.
They were.

731
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480
They were.
They were Japanese.

732
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,360
No, they're Chinese.
Well, actually they were

733
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,240
Japanese comfort women too.
They were in the beginning, they

734
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,960
were like Japanese women who
only served the generals and

735
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,680
like, and later on in the war
too, like you can see that the

736
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:36,360
generals and the higher tier of
Japanese soldiers had like

737
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,600
Japanese or Korean woman.
And then wherever they occupy,

738
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,400
those are like, that's like for
the bottom tier of the Japanese

739
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,920
soldiers.
Wow, Yeah, we don't, you know,

740
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,640
it's, it's also something
interesting.

741
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,320
And I guess it's because it's
really, really so unpleasant and

742
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,680
so terrible to think about.
But we don't think about the,

743
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,640
the sexual violence that that,
that, that, that war often.

744
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,360
And we don't talk nearly about
enough about or learn nearly

745
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,880
enough about it, about the
sexual violence that war

746
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,040
creates, you know, because I, I
mean, we had that with the

747
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,160
Ukrainians, the Germans, the
Russians.

748
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,400
We had, I mean, I mean,
everyone.

749
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,720
And war just brings out this
animal, you know?

750
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,560
And you, I mean, I could never
understand.

751
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,400
I hope to never understand, you
know, but.

752
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,800
Also, at this point, Japan was
trained to believe that they're

753
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,560
better than all of their Asian
neighbors.

754
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,720
Yeah.
So I think that's also a big

755
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,960
part of what happened.
Well, there's a big, I think

756
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,000
that's psychologically.
And I mean, we need this.

757
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,080
People need people, people that
want other people to go to war

758
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,840
need for this to happen.
We need to dehumanize and create

759
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,080
an us and them mentality because
it it it allows us to

760
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,600
cognitively distance ourselves
from our actions and make

761
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,680
justifications and say, you
know, I would never do this to

762
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,800
another person, but that's not a
person, that's an animal, you

763
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,240
know, like I would never do that
to another.

764
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,080
Person.
You know, and, and, and the more

765
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,360
that and, and at a certain
point, you know, I imagine that

766
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,960
we even like need that
justification, like we need an

767
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,840
excuse to keep doing what we're
doing because we couldn't live

768
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,280
with ourselves otherwise, you
know, and, and so, you know, to

769
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,080
have the to and to say we are
supreme.

770
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,000
We are better than they are.
We are, you know, you know.

771
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,640
Actually like Teddy Roosevelt's
justification to colonize

772
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Philippines too.
So I don't know if you know too

773
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,920
much about the American
colonization of Philippines.

774
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,520
Nothing about it so.
And so and because it was such

775
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,640
an unpopular thing to go
colonize another country.

776
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:45,000
What Teddy Roosevelt ended up
doing is to get a bunch of

777
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:51,640
Filipinos and had a world Expo
in 19 O 5 in Saint Louis and,

778
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,200
and to display their like
uncivil that they're uncivil.

779
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,960
He he shaved a bunch of their
teeth and then put dogs in there

780
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,800
and then said that oh, the
Filipinos are dog eaters and

781
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,320
blah blah blah.
Way.

782
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,000
That's what the.
Yeah, and this is the 19 O five

783
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:16,360
World Expo.
And so then that's justified why

784
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,680
they needed to expand their
empire to the Philippines.

785
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,280
And it's interesting because I
like during World War 2, right

786
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,920
after Pearl Harbor, in like
within 8 hours they were

787
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,480
attacking Philippines and
whatnot.

788
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,800
And at first the Filipinos were
like welcoming the Japanese.

789
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,320
They're like, Oh my God, what
can be worse than the Americans?

790
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,960
And and then they witnessed the
Japanese like brutally like

791
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,160
raping their woman and also
killing their their children.

792
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,520
And so that they were like, OK,
actually the Japanese can be

793
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,400
worse than Americans.
So then they joined Americans in

794
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,400
fighting the Japanese.
They did.

795
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,760
Yes.
So it was like to pick a lesser

796
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,160
evil.
And and I guess the Philippines,

797
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,360
I guess America's interest in
the Philippines would be that

798
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,840
geographically it's.
In the Pacific.

799
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,760
It's in the Pacific.
It's all the way to the West.

800
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,520
Would you call it the West?
Face it.

801
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Oh, are you looking at a map
right now?

802
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,080
I'm looking at a globe, yeah,
but the globes are circular and

803
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,000
they're throwing me off.
Well, they're.

804
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,680
Interested in the Philippines
because then they can trade with

805
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,120
China and also that's why they
were also interested in Hawaii

806
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,200
as well because the Pacific.
Well, that's that's what I just

807
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,600
recently figured out.
And I'm like, Oh my God, this

808
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,800
makes so much sense.
And the fact that Hawaii is the

809
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,040
one that got bombed, I was like,
and it's funny because growing

810
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,120
up I was like, why would anyone
attack Hawaii?

811
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,000
And I'm like, oh, because it's
the closest point that you can

812
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,200
get to to America from.
And I only realized it's like a

813
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,120
month ago.
So yes, yeah.

814
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,160
So that was So what was Hawaii?
Do you know where Hawaii was

815
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,920
before America had it?
They were Hawaii.

816
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,520
They had a queen, they had a
king.

817
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,280
And before, yeah, before they
has a lot of contact with seven.

818
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,920
Like in 1778 I think some
sailors discovered Hawaii and.

819
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:18,040
Find it even I said it's where
would anyone, how would anyone

820
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,640
end up in Hawaii?
It's in the middle of nowhere.

821
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,320
There's no, there's no land
around it.

822
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,640
I think it was during the Ice
Age they in Hawaii.

823
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,320
I guess so.
I guess so anyway, yes, I'm

824
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,640
sorry to continue your so so
America.

825
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,280
So so the so Americans came to
colonize the Philippines.

826
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,760
The Philippines are like, oh,
wait, let's let's work with the

827
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Japanese.
And they realized that the

828
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Japanese were worse than the
Americans at this point.

829
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,600
And so they ended up joining the
Americans fighting back the

830
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,080
Japanese.
And did they fight them off?

831
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,600
So MacArthur kind of left the
Philippines to fight by

832
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,480
themselves.
You know, the favorite, the, the

833
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,040
very famous speech I shall
return.

834
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,920
And like all these guerrilla
fighters had to rise up to the

835
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,880
occasion and they were fighting
for like 3 years without any

836
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,560
weapons and really any supply
and any backup from anyone.

837
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,160
And yeah.
And then MacArthur returned in

838
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,200
like, in like the late 1940s.
And then there was the Manila

839
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:29,280
massacre, because MacArthur did
not plan that the Japanese was

840
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,200
going to fight until the last
man.

841
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,920
Yeah.
And like, it's so interesting

842
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,960
because in movies, right, you
think, you know, the

843
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,640
battlefields, like in the middle
of nowhere.

844
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,000
And then you have like all these
officers and they're like really

845
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,960
nice uniform.
But like the Manila and the

846
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,080
Nanking incident, right?
The two Asian countries.

847
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,640
I mean, two Asian cities and
they were like fighting in like

848
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,880
in the cities and like, you
know, where someone's

849
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,960
convenience store was, where the
gas station was and just had a

850
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,800
total destruction.
And so I think a lot of times

851
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,400
when people are like trying to
sell a war, they're not trying

852
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,880
to sell the humanity or like who
is going to get affected by the

853
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,440
war or like where the money is
going.

854
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,520
Well, you can't because if you
did, they know no one would

855
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,240
participate in it.
Tell them if you told them, are

856
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,320
we going to war?
You know, they got some valuable

857
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,360
land that's worth a lot of
money.

858
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Be like, well, I want to tell my
kids to die because you want

859
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,760
more money.
I'm sorry.

860
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,400
I'm not interested in that, you
know.

861
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,240
You saw this like meme on the
Internet that's been like

862
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,640
circulating lately.
It's like America, census

863
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,960
geologist, and it's all like the
military.

864
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,360
No, I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it, but I believe

865
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,320
it.
I saw the meme of the of the

866
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,400
Israeli, Israeli, Palestinian
conflict with two missiles and

867
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,480
it's one of them is labeled our
tax dollars.

868
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,960
Another one is also somehow also
our tax dollars.

869
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,600
Yes.
And they're both crashing into

870
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,240
one another.
And you just take, copy and

871
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,480
paste that everywhere around the
world.

872
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,800
And that's what and that's what
you get.

873
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,920
And here.
Like our country, the roads are

874
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,880
not so great and our education
is not doing so great and like a

875
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,680
homeless problem, is off the
hook.

876
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,000
In America.
Yeah, don't you think?

877
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:20,040
I think that we have 10 to 15
massive countrywide issues that

878
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:26,040
need to be seriously looked at
and at least partially responded

879
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,840
to before we continue minding
anyone else's business, is what

880
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:29,960
I think.
Exactly, Yeah.

881
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,840
I think that, and by the way, if
we can rally and go ahead and

882
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,560
do, but you know what, I, I also
think that sometimes you get,

883
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,840
especially when you're
successful and powerful, you get

884
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440
complacent and you need to get
knocked on your butt back in

885
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,720
order to be able to learn
sometimes.

886
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,760
And unfortunately, if you're not
going to learn from people

887
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,800
talking about it and complaining
about it and yelling about it

888
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,840
and screaming about it, then you
have to learn from experience.

889
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,200
You know, I mean, it's the same
thing with growing up, you know,

890
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,520
like someone tells you, Hey,
there's a real, you know, it's

891
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,080
probably a good idea to do this
and this and this in school or

892
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,040
this and this and this
internship and you're like, no,

893
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,040
I know better than you.
And you're like, Oh, man, maybe

894
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,320
I don't, you know, but like, you
learn one way or the other, and

895
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,600
it's just better to learn the
easy way.

896
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,320
But if we have to learn the hard
way, then it looks like that's

897
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,840
what it might have to be,
unfortunately.

898
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,400
Yeah.
You know, and I don't know what

899
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,320
I'm going to do for my kids.
I don't know where else they're

900
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,920
going to go, you know?
But I, you know, it's, it's it's

901
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,320
it's scary.
It's crazy.

902
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,840
It is scary.
It is crazy.

903
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:28,080
And like politicians are OK with
like starting wars.

904
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,400
I'm being, I'll be OK if the
politicians themselves are going

905
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,000
to be like going out there and
fighting themselves.

906
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,280
But like, you know, when it ends
up being like, you know, maybe

907
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,600
potentially your kids fighting a
war, right?

908
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,440
And then like, and then it's
just like all the sacrifice for

909
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,680
the military industrial complex.
And yeah, that's yeah, it's,

910
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,040
it's just what it is.
But and but.

911
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,040
That's, but that's why we have
these conversations.

912
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,160
I think that's really valuable.
And I think that, and I think

913
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,320
that not only is it valuable, I
think that more and more people

914
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:10,400
are waking up to because I think
that at a certain point you

915
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,760
could, you could only gaslight
so much, you know, one way or

916
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,480
the other, you know, and we've
been really living since World

917
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,880
War 2IN times of gaslighting,
you know, just constant.

918
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:28,160
And, and I think that might be a
consequence of the arrogance

919
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,640
that is that is off.
It's a product of success.

920
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,360
You know, like you become
success.

921
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,440
If you think about it, America
has not won the war in 80.

922
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,240
Years World War 2.
And World War 2.

923
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:44,040
I have a theory that they won
because China was holding the

924
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,560
Japanese off for for like 10
years before America was holding

925
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,160
was getting into the war.
OK, so we want to tell me about

926
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,160
that.
We want to we want to dive into

927
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,120
that history a little bit.
Yeah.

928
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,160
So Japan was occupying like
Manchuria and then they were

929
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,280
continued to fight in China.
And in a sense, and when US sent

930
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,840
China to supplies to fight
Japan, it's because US saw

931
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,520
Japan's ambition and knew that
it was about to come to their

932
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,600
come to their territory.
And so then that's why they were

933
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,600
like, OK, let's, let's supply
China.

934
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:29,680
And what's interesting is that
if they weren't really and by

935
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:37,080
1941, right, the Prince Konoway
was trying to negotiate peace

936
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,000
with the US and I but I think US
who's.

937
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,560
Prince Conway, from which
country?

938
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:48,280
From Japan and he was actually
not like Prime Minister just

939
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,200
once but like 3 times because
the military saw him as like a

940
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,800
spare tire to like drive them
off the Cliff.

941
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:57,960
And so that every single time he
would like resign, then they

942
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,240
would like come and bring him
up.

943
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,080
And then like, if he doesn't do
what the military like fraction

944
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,560
of the government wants him to
do, then they threaten to kill

945
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,800
him.
So then he gets back to the to

946
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,640
the to the wheel, I mean, to the
truck.

947
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,480
And then, yeah, he just had to.
And right after the war, he

948
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,520
committed suicide.
And so before that, he wrote a

949
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,800
memoir about how he was trying
to negotiate out of having a

950
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,520
having to attack US.
And but he was ultimately

951
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,560
unsuccessful because he was not
as strong as the warthogs like

952
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,240
Tojo.
And I feel like when I was

953
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,240
reading that, I was thinking,
like, wow, this could be what's

954
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,000
happening in Washington right
now.

955
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,280
Like these neocons and whatever
are like driving other people

956
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,880
out of like negotiations.
So I, I mean, we def, I mean, as

957
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,640
far as I believe there's been
really, really good reporting

958
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,960
about that happening with the
Russia Ukraine war that every

959
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,920
time it comes close to an end
that some that some people come

960
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,000
in and sabotage the peace
efforts that are interested in

961
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,960
continuing the war.
But I think that I think that a

962
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:15,640
hopeful component potentially is
that, and I think this was a

963
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,960
little bit of the, you know, you
call them the, you know, the

964
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,880
neocons or the military
industrial complex as a

965
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:27,320
political personifications.
They because they're so

966
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,520
unlikable and because they're
such liars and because they've

967
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,440
done such unpopular things their
entire lives, the youth is not

968
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,280
interested in them and they were
never interested in giving up

969
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,720
power.
So they don't really have too

970
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,640
many successors themselves.
And I think that they're like

971
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,400
the, the the neo con.
And that's what we're seeing

972
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,640
right now.
I think in the American

973
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,800
Republic, right, right right
wing, you know, fractioning

974
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,240
that's going on is that right
now there's a huge vacuum

975
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,840
because a lot of the people that
were really heavily in, you

976
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,360
know, that were huge influences
in the last 2025 years are now

977
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,240
getting older and becoming less
relevant.

978
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,000
And the youth does not, you
know, at all relate to anything

979
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,600
that they're talking about.
But they don't have any young

980
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,000
successors because they were too
arrogant for those 2025 years to

981
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,680
keep people, you know, to keep
demote someone else.

982
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,160
So I'm hoping I mean, and again,
I'm an I'm an optimist and I'm

983
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,000
because of that.
I'm, I'm often wrong, you know,

984
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,720
I'm often incorrect, but you
know, that's OK because I think

985
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,920
that.
But what about the military?

986
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,720
I mean profit.
Think about how every successful

987
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,600
company is like Bel Air was
about to go bankrupt until we

988
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,320
fought another war.
So.

989
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,480
Yeah, yeah.
And that's the problem with this

990
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,760
kind of government supported
capitalism.

991
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,720
I mean, and you don't even have
to look at it from a military

992
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,000
industrial camp, look at it from
a freaking airplane, airliner,

993
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,240
you know, perspective.
Like there are certain airlines

994
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,920
that have been bailed out, you
know, time and time again that

995
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,760
have no business still being in
business, you know, and as far

996
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,360
as the free market goes, it
makes no sense that they're

997
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,640
still around or banks that
governments bail out or, you

998
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,640
know, whatever, whatever it is
like it true capitalism wouldn't

999
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,320
allow those people to even
survive.

1000
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,800
And then a better product would
replace it or a more thoughtful

1001
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,040
product or whatever.
But, and I mean, this is coming

1002
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,600
to the point of just absolute,
you know, I'm just, I'm just

1003
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,360
hypothesizing and just talking
over here.

1004
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,320
But I mean, when robotics and AI
get to this to get to the point,

1005
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,000
and I'm sure you're probably
have more of your finger on the

1006
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,400
pulse of this in San Francisco
than I do in Florida.

1007
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:38,360
But when robotics and, and, and
AI come together, labor and

1008
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,160
resources are going to be, are
going to become significantly

1009
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,440
cheaper to the extent that I
don't know what money is going

1010
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,920
to mean in 50 years from now.
Like, I don't know what you

1011
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,720
know, and Elon Musk talks about
it a little bit, but like, I

1012
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,720
mean, think about it.
If you got to test the robot

1013
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,640
that cost $20,000 that had that
that that has, you know, Grok

1014
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,000
incorporated into it and is your
housekeeper and cooks meals and

1015
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,560
goes to the supermarket and
your, you know, in your car.

1016
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,880
So.
He can stop barking while I'm

1017
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,960
doing podcasts.
And that and that's, you know,

1018
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,880
by the way, but it'll probably
leave you to take care of your

1019
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,760
dog because that's something you
want to do for the most part,

1020
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,640
you know, and you kind of pick
and choose the things in life

1021
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,040
that you want to do.
But I think that the only thing

1022
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,240
that's going to save America
from total financial ruin is the

1023
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,000
potential explosion of, of, of,
you know, of robotics and, and

1024
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,280
software.
And if not, then I think we're

1025
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,040
just in big trouble.
I think that's really what it

1026
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,200
is.
Yeah, I.

1027
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,720
Don't know, but tell me about
the quantum army.

1028
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,480
The quantum army, because we are
digressing and it's fun, but I

1029
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,400
want to, I want to get into more
into this.

1030
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,000
Yeah.
So the quantum Army was the

1031
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:51,680
force that that planted a false
flag on in Manchuria on

1032
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,280
September 18th and accused
Chinese people of doing that.

1033
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,840
And so then they had the right
to start a war.

1034
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:04,640
Like what we did with Vietnam?
And it's actually interesting in

1035
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:10,000
Vietnam because and Ho Chi Minh
was actually I, I saw some notes

1036
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,280
of Ho Chi Minh asking America
for help during World War 2, but

1037
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,640
America decided to help the
French and to column to

1038
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,000
recolonize them.
But anyway, I digress.

1039
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,120
And so Quantum Army was really
the beginning of World War 2 for

1040
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,600
China because they had taken
over Manchuria.

1041
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,400
China had taken back over.
No, I mean no.

1042
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Sorry, just been taking
Manchuria for China and now

1043
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,000
China's getting involved.
So now and OK, gotcha.

1044
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,960
And what this and what was this?
Army was actually a Japanese

1045
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,400
force that had taken over
Manchuria, the Chinese

1046
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,120
territory.
Yes.

1047
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,440
Did I not say that or did I say
that wrong?

1048
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,560
I don't know.
Anyway, it's like but.

1049
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,200
Thank you for clarifying because
I'm sure I may have.

1050
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,240
So OK.
And what was and so the point of

1051
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,000
the army was a false flag.
Army was to was to create false

1052
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,880
flag was to create the false
flag as an excuse to start to

1053
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:03,880
start.
Invasion attack.

1054
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,000
Yes, OK, gotcha.
And now what about what are some

1055
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,640
other war crimes that you that
you've documented or, you know,

1056
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:17,120
uncovered?
So many cannibalism is 1.

1057
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,680
They got to the point that they
were just like eating other

1058
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,880
people.
Yeah, actually, we're doing this

1059
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,440
podcast twice a month with James
Bradley, and he wrote this book,

1060
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,920
this book named Fly Boys, and
it's a story about how George

1061
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,960
Bush was flying into Chichi Jima
and with like 9 other airmen and

1062
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,640
then eight other airmen, 8 other
airmen were captured and eaten

1063
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,200
by the Japanese.
And George Bush somehow narrowly

1064
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:52,480
escaped with like, a submarine
that rescued him, and then he

1065
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,600
was out of there.
But had he actually been eaten

1066
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,880
by the Japanese, history would
have been so different.

1067
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:06,320
Whoa, was was this cannibalism
out of necessity was where the

1068
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,040
Japanese star was?
A part of also their culture of

1069
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,400
Bushido to eat a part of your
enemy so then you can like gain

1070
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,080
their energy.
OK.

1071
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:20,200
And so then they BBQ their liver
and, and this, this story was so

1072
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:27,160
interesting because in like the
19, well, in, in 1990s, I think

1073
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,560
Iris Chan, the late Iris Chan
wrote the rape of Nanking.

1074
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,800
And then someone called her
about, Oh, I was in this war

1075
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:40,840
crime, secret war crime trial
and, and, and Iris was like,

1076
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,440
this sounds way too crazy.
Oh, James, why don't you go call

1077
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:50,440
him?
So James and, and then went and

1078
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:56,880
visited the sky and then he like
he was, he even brought George

1079
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,920
Bush to Chichi Jima to see if
this was a real thing that had

1080
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,520
happened.
And then it's been confirmed.

1081
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,320
And then he wrote the book and
then HBO bought it as a part of

1082
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,400
the series on the Pacific.
And so it's, it is a very

1083
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,080
fascinating and yet true story
that they were doing this kind

1084
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,760
of cannibalism.
And then there were also the

1085
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,960
issues of forced labor, because
when Japan had taken over the

1086
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,440
Philippines, then they were
having these people.

1087
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:31,000
But do baton death March and and
it's.

1088
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,440
Great that that happens
everywhere.

1089
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,760
Yeah, you know, it.
It just feels like it was

1090
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,440
normal, like practice, like, you
know, it's.

1091
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,760
Just normal, standard everyday
thing when you're fighting a

1092
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:43,480
war.
You never know if someone's

1093
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,880
going to walk into town and make
you do forced labor in death

1094
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,320
marches, you know, I mean, you
never know.

1095
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,400
It just might.
It just might happen, you know?

1096
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,520
It's yeah.
OK, and and it's interesting

1097
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:58,120
because because Japan never
ratified the Geneva Convention.

1098
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,200
So when they were shipping these
PO WS, they never really marked

1099
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,560
the ship.
And so then the like the Allied

1100
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,560
forces didn't know what was
happening with these ships and a

1101
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,240
lot of them were struck by
friendly fire.

1102
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,880
So for example, like the Lisbon
Maru that I recently watched a

1103
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:23,320
movie on, it was struck by by
friendly fire.

1104
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,480
And, well, you know, the fire is
not too friendly if it's going

1105
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,760
to kill you.
Yeah.

1106
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,800
Not too friendly.
And the Japanese were then, you

1107
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:39,000
know, barring people from
escaping the deck and like, and

1108
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:44,440
so then people just all died in
well, and then also when two

1109
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,280
people were trying to escape,
they had like 6 suicide officers

1110
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,120
that stayed in the ship and like
tried to gun down everyone while

1111
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,760
going down with the ship.
These were like fanatic times

1112
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,840
that these people were fighting
this war.

1113
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:05,480
And what was the so interesting?
What was the rationale for this

1114
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,560
war?
Like World War, like Europe, I

1115
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:15,360
guess had a rationale for a war.
What was the rationale leading

1116
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,560
up to all this Was just, this
was just Asian politics and

1117
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,000
Asian, you know, just war,
history of war, the habit of

1118
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,520
resources.
So it's about resource, but

1119
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,360
coincided just happens to be the
same time as World War 2.

1120
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,600
I think it has to do with
economic issue because also at

1121
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,240
the time, like like when after
Quantum Army had taken over

1122
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,280
Manchuria, they were having
propaganda that said that, OK,

1123
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,480
there are 100 million Japanese.
It's actually not true.

1124
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,600
I think it's more like 80
million Japanese.

1125
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,600
And we are running out of space
in our Japanese mainland.

1126
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,200
So we need to expand.
And so then they were having

1127
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:00,840
these policies for these
Japanese settlers to go to China

1128
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,120
and take over these Chinese
people's farmers land and kick

1129
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,840
them out of their Chinese and
take kick them out of their own

1130
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,160
farmland.
So I think that's interesting

1131
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,000
that and I think it was mostly
economics because by the time

1132
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,440
that they had attacked Pearl
Harbor, it was because Roosevelt

1133
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,200
was going to embargo on oil.
And so then they needed

1134
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,480
Southeast Asia for oil and
rubber.

1135
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,080
And so a lot of it had to do
with economics.

1136
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:37,200
Right, but the economic issues
happened to occur at the same

1137
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,880
time as World War 2 was just
happening in the rest of the

1138
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,280
world.
I think it was boiling up

1139
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,200
because remember what I was
saying?

1140
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,040
Like from 19?
Oh.

1141
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:47,800
Five.
Yeah, the early. 90s, yeah.

1142
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:53,560
And then they see that, you
know, it was and that the rest

1143
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:58,360
of Europe was busy fighting a
war and Europeans had power, I

1144
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,800
mean, had colonies also in
Southeast Asia.

1145
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,640
So I think part of it is also
opportunist.

1146
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:05,960
Right, right, right.
And what was everyone?

1147
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,680
That's a great point.
Like you just see that

1148
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,960
everything is on fire and while
I was distracted, you just take

1149
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,080
advantage.
Right.

1150
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,480
While your town is on fire, you
might as well go and steal your

1151
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:20,520
neighbor's TV.
A little too a little too, too

1152
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,160
true for San Francisco, I feel
like.

1153
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,320
I know.
So how?

1154
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,600
Are you on social media that
like, you know, while there's

1155
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,720
like a riot, then there's like,
they're like running into the

1156
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,960
liquor store to steal things out
of a liquor store in Oakland?

1157
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,160
It's like crazy.
Yeah, yeah.

1158
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,800
How long are you living in San
Francisco for?

1159
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,080
Since I was 10 actually, but I
went.

1160
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,200
To like your whole high school.
Yeah, almost.

1161
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:51,440
Yeah, 2/3 of my life.
I think it needs change.

1162
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,240
It needs some change, yeah.
How long have you been in

1163
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,040
Florida for?
I've been in Florida for four

1164
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,280
years.
I've been I'm from New York

1165
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,560
originally.
So I spent the 1st 20 years of

1166
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,560
my life in New York, 18 years of
my life in New York.

1167
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:13,240
I spent a year and a half in
Israel studying there Jewish and

1168
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,920
I spent some time there and then
I, I spent some time in Seattle,

1169
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,040
I mentioned.
And then and then I came and

1170
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,359
then I ended up there was no
Jewish girls there or very few

1171
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:26,359
Jewish girls there for me.
So I moved back to, to New York

1172
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:29,319
for a little bit till I met my
wife and we moved down to

1173
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:33,200
Florida from here.
But the, you know, I mean, we'll

1174
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,840
see what happens.
As far as you know, we're not

1175
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,319
married to Florida.
We're married to one another.

1176
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:39,479
So it's funny.
So I mean, we can go anywhere,

1177
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,560
but we like you here, I've been
seeing.

1178
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,920
These memes of like Florida,
people saying like, oh, we're,

1179
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,560
we're too full for New Yorkers.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

1180
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,279
And you know what?
Unfortunately, I kind of get

1181
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:53,800
caught up in that because I am
one of the New Yorkers coming

1182
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,120
down, but I happen to be one of
the nice New Yorkers, so they

1183
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,840
don't have a problem with me, as
far as I know.

1184
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,000
But you never know what was.
You never know.

1185
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,680
But you know what?
Because it's so funny.

1186
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:10,160
But people, there's something so
powerful about the magic of San

1187
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,520
Francisco that like, people
really are not willing to give

1188
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,319
up on it.
Like, no matter what, you know,

1189
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:20,000
like, no matter what it feels
like, you know, like it's crazy

1190
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,479
What, it's crazy what it's
turned into the last couple of

1191
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,640
years.
And people, people still love it

1192
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,800
there.
And people still like, they're

1193
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,520
not going as far as I know, are
they?

1194
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,319
That's a very controversial
topic, I feel like.

1195
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,520
Is it?
We're here, we are talking about

1196
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,800
war crime, but I'm like, Oh my
gosh, people are not giving up

1197
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,080
on my in laws.
Would never give up on San

1198
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,920
Francisco.
I feel like they're like, oh,

1199
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,960
it's just like that in the 70s
and they would turn around and

1200
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,200
blah, blah, blah.
So yeah.

1201
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,040
I had, what do you call it?
I'd only, and I'd only recently

1202
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,160
discovered I did an episode.
You know, I was also thinking

1203
01:09:55,160 --> 01:10:00,320
because I'm a big Grateful Dead
hippie fan and, and I was, and I

1204
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:05,120
and I read a book that had tied
and I didn't even realize that

1205
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,760
this was, and this actually,
this actually what got me

1206
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,120
interested in geography to begin
with.

1207
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:15,240
It tied in Asian culture to San
Francisco and that it was that,

1208
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,560
you know, and, and the first
there was the school of Chinese

1209
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,120
culture.
I think maybe I forgot the art

1210
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,320
school of Chinese culture.
Yeah, it's, I think Islam.

1211
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,960
Wow.
But it's also very interesting

1212
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,120
because the 1882 had a lot of to
do with San Francisco as well,

1213
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,280
because Chinese people were
mining gold at a faster rate

1214
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,280
than the white people.
Better workers as far as you.

1215
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,280
Know and Lincoln was like
desperate to build this rail

1216
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,280
world to to go to the West to
the Pacific so then he can go

1217
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:57,960
trade with China so it's and
Marco Polo in like the 1200 was

1218
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,000
talking about how Chinese people
have paper currency now and we

1219
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,280
need to get there and blah blah
blah so.

1220
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:07,760
Wow, exactly for a while.
Yeah, and but China

1221
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:13,040
unfortunately just faced the
century of humiliation with with

1222
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,960
drug addiction.
Yeah.

1223
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:22,600
And but now we're seeing really
a resurgence of China in the

1224
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,480
21st century.
And there are really a people of

1225
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,440
to like mind their own business,
I think.

1226
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,080
And just they were just doing
their country first before

1227
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,240
getting intervene, I mean,
before intervening with like all

1228
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,120
over the world and spreading
democracy and whatnot.

1229
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,960
Yeah.
And and like we mentioned, I

1230
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,120
think while we were talking
about on our introduction

1231
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:47,560
introductory call, you know, the
Chinese are doing enormous

1232
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,360
amount of the business and
investment around the world that

1233
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,680
America used was doing for a
long time.

1234
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,240
And again, part of the way that
we America spread their empire

1235
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:00,000
was financial.
And I'm actually hopefully doing

1236
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:04,240
an episode soon about China's
relationship with Africa

1237
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,760
nowadays and you know, and
what's and their investment

1238
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,120
there and what they have to what
they stand to gain out of it and

1239
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,040
whether America's involved at
all there.

1240
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,080
If we're trying to be even.
I don't, I don't know anything

1241
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:14,360
about it.
I.

1242
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,680
Don't know if you watched this
like one video of like Kamala

1243
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:23,000
was trying to go into this
African stadium and he started

1244
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,040
trying to bashing and then they
were and then the host was like

1245
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,600
this stadium is built by Chinese
money and blah blah blah and ask

1246
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,720
her to leave if she doesn't want
to stay.

1247
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,120
Wow, I didn't.
I did not see that.

1248
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,520
But yeah, I think, wow, Western
media really does bar people

1249
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,000
from like, getting the real
information out there in this

1250
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,480
world.
Yeah, yeah, we're very.

1251
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,720
Eurocentric.
We're not, we're not even

1252
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,400
Eurocentric.
We're American centric.

1253
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:58,360
I, I mean, I cannot tell you how
little most people and I teach

1254
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,480
high school and I've got, I'm
the oldest of 6 and I'm 30,

1255
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:03,400
right.
So, I mean, I've got to quit.

1256
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:05,960
You know, I've got a little bit
of my finger on the pulse of the

1257
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,880
younger generation.
They don't know anything about

1258
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:09,960
Europe.
They, they, they barely know

1259
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,640
anything about America.
They really do.

1260
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,280
They, you know, that the, I
think that one thing that China

1261
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,640
has done more successfully than
America, at least in the last

1262
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:22,560
several dozen decades, is that
Americans don't value education

1263
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,200
or teachers at all.
And I've heard that China does

1264
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,600
more or a lot more.
And, and we don't have, we

1265
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,280
don't, you know, I mean, we look
at it, if you say, if you tell

1266
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,200
someone I'm a high school
teacher, they're like, that

1267
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,040
sucks.
You know, like that's, that's

1268
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,720
usually what the response is.
They don't say, wow, you're

1269
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,040
forging the next generation.
And, and you know, in the youth

1270
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,640
of tomorrow that that, that,
that are going to be in the

1271
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,160
workforce and the scientists and
the engineers and, and the next

1272
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,200
scientists and sorry, and the
next teachers and politicians,

1273
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,480
like you're the person shaping
them and like, and we just need

1274
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,320
to care about that.
I mean it, it, it's wild to me,

1275
01:13:58,400 --> 01:13:59,960
you know, and.
It is wild.

1276
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,680
There's a Jewish author from
from the 8th, from the 19th

1277
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:10,840
century Germany that said that
said that to him, all the

1278
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,640
world's problems comes down to
issue with education.

1279
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,400
You know, like education can fix
everything.

1280
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,920
If you just give people the
right context and and and

1281
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,960
everyone can learn to speak one
another's language, then a lot

1282
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,760
of our issues would just fall
apart right away.

1283
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,800
Exactly, and I really appreciate
your podcast because I think it

1284
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,480
really educate the general
public and to share, you know,

1285
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,560
things as we're learning
together.

1286
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,240
And I think I discovered your
episode when you were

1287
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,120
interviewing the UN one of.
The John Perkins, yes, he, yeah,

1288
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,920
yeah, yeah, that's right.
That economic hitman.

1289
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,320
Yeah.
That, that was interesting

1290
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,720
because that's also very similar
to like Prince Konoway for like

1291
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,240
negotiation with like Pearl
Harbor and whatnot.

1292
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,720
He did.
He did a few episodes, a few

1293
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,000
other big podcasts that were
much longer than mine.

1294
01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:03,600
I hope to do another one with
him.

1295
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,960
But he did a couple of like 3
hour ones with Danny Jones and

1296
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,400
Patrick Bet David and oh he's.
Like a Joe Rogan.

1297
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,280
The the which one?
John Perkins is like a Joe

1298
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,400
Rogan.
If he was, I'd have a lot more

1299
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:24,600
viewers than now.
But if he also was, he wouldn't

1300
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,120
have gone back to me.
So, you know, but can I, can I

1301
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,000
actually ask real quickly,
because I don't really know

1302
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,680
anything about this.
What was China's, you mentioned

1303
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,560
this earlier in passing, but
China's relationship or I guess

1304
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,880
the East relationship with
Russia during, during all this

1305
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,560
or the USSR, do they have any
relationship with it?

1306
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,920
You know, I with a, with a
conflicting with one another.

1307
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:50,080
What were things like there?
Well, Russia had gone into like

1308
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,560
if you look, if you go to
Harbin, there's like a big

1309
01:15:55,480 --> 01:16:02,080
Jewish and Russia or Soviet, I
mean Russia influence because

1310
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:07,120
right after the revolution, a
lot of the people who were

1311
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,120
escaping the revolution and up
in Harbin.

1312
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,520
Where's that?
That was in Manchuria.

1313
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,520
Gotcha.
So like that area.

1314
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:21,360
And so I feel like Chinese
people mostly mind their own

1315
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,200
business.
Yeah.

1316
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,040
Yeah.
And it's mostly economically,

1317
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:35,440
it's mostly economic interest.
For example, Russia have built

1318
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:38,840
that real world just for trade
purpose and whatnot.

1319
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,200
So yeah.
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I'm

1320
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:43,840
finding.
I mean, I'm finding that most

1321
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,320
people just want to mind their
own business and, you know, try

1322
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:51,200
to like be with their families
and try to just be happy, you

1323
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,240
know, be comfortable, you know,
have what they need and have

1324
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,440
what they have and, and to just
live a good, meaningful life.

1325
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,800
You know, I think that's what
really like, I think that

1326
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,200
listen, you go to Wisconsin, you
go to Iowa and you go to, I

1327
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,920
mean, even if you go upstate New
York, I mean you go, if you go a

1328
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,600
couple, you know, you go 203040
miles north of you.

1329
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,040
I'm sure that most of the people
there are just regular people

1330
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,200
that just want to live their
lives.

1331
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,680
You know, they and like, you
know, maybe they have political

1332
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,760
opinions, maybe they don't care
about politics, maybe they don't

1333
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,640
care, you know, maybe they're
interested in war or not.

1334
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,280
But like, at the end of the day,
like, what's right in front of

1335
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,120
you is right in front of you.
And the most pressing part of

1336
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:23,480
your.
They have money in their

1337
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,560
Vanguard account.
They're interested in war

1338
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,440
because that's going to mean
that their stocks going to go

1339
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:31,040
up.
Yeah, yeah.

1340
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,520
That that's the other thing that
China, that that China does

1341
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,520
better.
Who was I talking to about this?

1342
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,600
I think that we put so much
pressure on ourselves to act so

1343
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,160
short term, you know, our
quarterly earnings and what's

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,120
our stocks you're at right now
and you know and it dipped.

1345
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,600
What's the next election going
to look like?

1346
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,560
Four years, right?
Yeah, by the way, you get in and

1347
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,440
then it takes a year for the
president to figure out what's

1348
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:56,120
going on.
And then he tries to do

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01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,920
something and then at that point
it's the midterms.

1350
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,600
And after that he has to either
go out for re election or he's

1351
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,040
already out the door and like
nothing get done.

1352
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,440
You know, I mean, it's really,
and on one hand it's in one

1353
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,040
hand, it's a beautiful thing
because it really does prevent

1354
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,240
from both the right and the left
a lot of more damage that I

1355
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,680
think could have been done by
because what I think that.

1356
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,640
A lot of presidents are working
for the people who are not even

1357
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:20,720
elected.
That's right.

1358
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,480
That's right.
For example, in the World War 2

1359
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:27,440
context, the China lobby, right?
They were making money out of

1360
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:33,640
USDA contracts and they were
lobbying FDR and most people

1361
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,080
didn't even know that they
existed.

1362
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,560
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
That's crazy.

1363
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,840
I wonder how much of that still
goes on that we just, you know,

1364
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,080
that just swept under the rug or
kept hush hush, you know.

1365
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:45,560
But the problem is that it's
everywhere.

1366
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,600
I mean, everywhere.
You freaking Anything that has a

1367
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,360
regulation, anything that has
any kind of formal

1368
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,640
representation has corruption,
period.

1369
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,880
You know.
And so like, at a certain point,

1370
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,760
the question isn't like looking
for something that isn't

1371
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,000
corrupt.
The question just is who are the

1372
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,880
honest people that I could deal
with, you know, and that's

1373
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,400
really the question.
Yeah.

1374
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,160
Because you're never going to
get rid of corruption.

1375
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,120
And I mean, as much as you would
like to, you can spend your life

1376
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,960
fighting corruption, which
you'll just do to the day you

1377
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,360
die.
And then the day you die,

1378
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,920
someone else would have to pick
up and do it also because it's

1379
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:22,040
never gonna end.
But yeah, it's, it's

1380
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,080
fascinating.
On that note, I'm going to cook

1381
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,680
dinner, OK?
Thank you so much for doing

1382
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:29,800
this.
This is such a pleasure.

1383
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,280
This was a lot of information
and a lot of really great

1384
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,600
information, and you want to
tell people again just where to

1385
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,600
find your organization and how
they could follow you.

1386
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:48,600
Yeah, pacificatrocities.org.
And if you are on YouTube,

1387
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,280
please hit subscribe for Pacific
Front Untold.

1388
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,840
Pacific Front and Toad Toad.
No untold.

1389
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:58,880
Untold gotcha, yes.
OK.

1390
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,000
Gotcha.
Beautiful.

1391
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,040
Jenny, this is so much fun.
Thanks so much.

1392
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,480
Have a wonderful night.
Take care.

1393
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:04,480
Bye bye.